Remington 870 Express Tactical

If you look in the trunk of just about any patrol car in America you are going to find a Remington 870 of one flavor or another. Over ten million of the legendary pump action shotguns have been produced over the years, and there is no sign of them stopping now.

In this episode of TFBTV, Patrick takes his Remington 870 Express Tactical shotgun out to the range in order to give it some much needed range time. Patrick’s shotgun is an older model that uses the old two piece magazine tube that is now going away in favor of a one piece design.

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Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and TFBTV Host. He likes guns and has liked shooting guns for as long as he can remember. You can follow Patrick on Instagram @tfbpatrick, Facebook, or contact him by email at TFBpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • Vitsaus

    I’m worried that you’ve run out of interesting guns to talk about.

  • BattleshipGrey

    My personal shotguns are Mossbergs, but my department goes with the Remington 870s. I like both, but the IMO, the Mossberg’s controls are laid out better and more natural as Patrick explained in that you don’t have to totally loose your shooting grip to manipulate them. I like that you can visually observe the safety on the Mossbergs as well without moving the shotgun or your grip.

    I like Remington’s foregrips though. All but one of the different variations of Remingtons foregrips has felt really natural.

    I’ve been thinking of SBSing an 870, but I’m still torn. At least I have time to think about it while I save up my $200 anyway.

    • AZgunner

      My department also uses the 870 and I find the ergonomics to be poor. Not at all intuitive.

      • Sand

        I like the controls layout for a hunting gun. I’ve seen a couple ND/ADs while bird hunting that probably involved a tang safety accidentally getting bumped off (though not on Mossbergs), so I picked the 870 as my first shotgun. I’ve shot it enough that manipulating the controls is completely second nature, and happens like magic without having to think about it.

        That being said, I can see why a service weapon would have different requirements such as not hiding the safety.

        And yes, I think I got my 870 as the QA started to decline, as I have to hose the thing down in oil every time I touch it to keep it from getting rusty fingerprints, but it runs beautifully otherwise.

    • Kivaari

      I had 2 of the M870-14″ configured with different stocks. They were great. They still are but I sold them to a local PD following multiple neck surgeries. Damn, I would still like to have one of them. They are smooth, fast and reliable.

    • Flounder

      Get a nice aftermarket foregrip? It is usually the cheapest/garbage part from the factory on the mossbergs. I got lucky with mine and it came with some weird but perfect plastic forend.

  • Michael Powers

    so basically you are saying if it was a Mossberg, it would be a good gun with all the right features….

  • Haulin’ Oats
  • Herpin tha derp

    Mossberg 500/590/590A1 or hell even the Maverick88’s — Dual Extractors > Single Extractor.

    • Haulin’ Oats

      Better ergonomics but a potentially less durable design.

    • Jack Burton

      Not if those dual extractors break more frequently than that single extractor, which seemed to be a more common complaint once upon a time. Maybe not anymore?

      • Flounder

        Can anything break more than a remington?

        • Kivaari

          Benelli

    • Kivaari

      I’ve only seen a couple broken extractors, ejectors and firing pins on both the Mossberg and Remington over 50 years. I saw more broken Benellis in 2 years than I’ve seen broken Mossbergs and Remingtons in that same 50 years.

  • Kivaari

    If Mossberg made a steel receiver gun it would be just about perfect. Or if Remington had a screw in ejector it would be just about perfect.

    • Person

      That’s a good point…for the guys who order the 00 buck 1K at a time.

      I shot a Mossberg 500 for 5 seasons of waterfowl. That’s 2.5K hunting loads and 2.5K trap loads. The only parts I replaced in that time were the foregrip and the sights.

      • Person

        That’s 2 flats of hunting loads and two flats of trap loads per season.

    • Jared Vynn

      You mean like the Mariner 500? Stainless steel reciever with marine coating.

      • Jack Burton

        Aluminum alloy. The appearance of the finish has apparently varied a little over the years though.

      • Kivaari

        That’s just plated aluminum.

    • Jack Burton

      Yeah, have always wished the 500s were made just a bit tougher in general and the 870s were easier to repair when needed.

      • rennsport4.4TV8

        Though expense is higher, is the 590A1 is not tough enough?

        • Flounder

          They are complaining over nothing. But this is america, everyone gets their opinion.

          Personally, I like the aluminium receiver. It makes the gun feel great. As for durability… If I can break the mossberg’s receiver… I think i am gonna break the 870 in half just due to something being put together wrong at the factory.

        • Jack Burton

          Unlike the Remington I’m not sure you really get any appreciable difference in quality or reliability with the “premium” model…

      • Bill Funk

        I see extremely few complaints of the aluminum receiver actually causing a problem. Lots of complaints, but very few actual problems.
        Have yo7u actually seen any?

        • Kivaari

          I have seen more Mossbergs shot to uselessness than Remingtons. I sold my last two M870-14″ to a PD to replace two Mossbergs that were just useless.

          • Bill Funk

            A police department shot their Mossbergs to uselessness? Wat department shoots their shotguns that much?

          • Kivaari

            I’ve seen it a couple of times now. Some places actually train. Others don’t always clean as they should so when they use them the extra grit leads to an early death. When in the business I saw departments cycle through guns, usually from the training detail. Just like handguns, some places really shoot them a great deal.
            I’ve seen where they also repurposed evidence guns with dubious pasts.

          • Bill Funk

            I use mine pretty regularly, and maybe they last this long because I clean and lube them.
            Any gun, any maker, will fail if maintenance isn’t done. That’s not unique to Mossberg.

          • Kivaari

            Maintainance is what can make the difference. Moss people are not taking good enough care of their guns. Mossbergs need the grit cleaned out more than steel receivers. I’ve found considerable wear and tear on the inside of the Mossbergs. But I’ve seen all kinds of guns ruined or disabled due to lack of care. I’ve contended that 95% of gunsmithing is cleaning.

          • Kivaari

            I had to add this. I’ve seen police guns in service for 40 years. This is not that uncommon.

    • Zack mars

      The locking surfaces on the mossberg are steel

      • Kivaari

        That’s true, but that doesn’t mean I like aluminum receivers. It could be plastic and work.

        • Zack mars

          I could sit here all day typing the names of guns that use aluminum or polymer recievers, eventually we’d get to several you like.

          • Kivaari

            I have used most of the police shotguns and have a firm opinion that the Remington is the best.

          • Kivaari

            What ones would that be? I hate the Winchesters and Benellis in both aluminum and plastic (I owned three of them, and worked on many more). I don’t like old Brownings and they are steel. The steel receiver Winchester M97 (killed more men by accident than on purpose) or M12. High Standards. I had most up until 15 years ago. I’ve seen lots of broken shotguns. I don’t know about many of the newer clones of old American designs now coming in from Turkey or China. I do know that most of the Turkish shotguns we sold 15 years ago broke in a few boxes of shells (locking block).

          • Zack mars

            Ar15’s, glocks, s&w m&p’s, mossbergs, s&w airweights, and tons more, like i said, i can sit here all day naming guns.

            I wasn’t just talking about shotguns, if i was, i would say “shotguns”, not “guns”

          • Kivaari

            I was talking about shotguns. I use AR15s, Glocks, S&W Airweights. I have nothing against aluminum or plastic, except in the 500/590 and I’ve owned a dozen of them over 50 years. I just prefer steel. I’ve seen more worn out Mossbergs.

  • Person

    Good thing the video is under 7 minutes; three more minutes and we would all see the thing rust before our eyes.

    • Don Ward
    • AC97

      There’s a reason they’re called “Rustingtons”…

    • Kivaari

      The M870 Police is much better as it is Parkerized/phosphate coated. It also uses an aluminum trigger group.

    • Jeff

      I have had a blued 870 Wingmaster Magnum for 40 years. It’s hunted in the rain a lot. Little to no rust ever. I still use it and it’s still not rusty. But later I bought an early 11-87 SP with the matte “parkerized” finish and it would rust just from looking at it. The 11-87 also broke before I got the first box of shells through it, and Remington wouldn’t spring for a replacement $10 part (bolt link, IIRC).

      • Kivaari

        That late generation matte finish is just bluing over bead blaster steel. Actual phosphate finishes don’t rust like the matte bluing.

  • Guest User

    I always thought the ejector was riveted and not welded?
    Thats a rivet holding the ejector in, right?

    • LL1684L2

      Correct for the 870; riveted, not welded. My department’s shotguns are Mossberg 590A1s. BTW, they’re not kept in the trunk of our patrol cars. They’re mounted vertically between the front seats.

  • The_Champ

    Solid guns, they work. I’ve only ever bird hunted with an 870. Yes the finish sucks and requires attention after a rainy day hunt but c’est la vie, I paid $350 Canadian for the thing brand new so I’m not expecting Benelli quality.

    And I do appreciate getting lots of trigger time blasting fast moving targets with the same gun that sits beside me in my patrol car.

  • TheWarriorWorkshop

    I’ve never understood the fascination with 870’s. I have a one and can’t stand to shoot it. It has the most gritty, clunky action of any pump I’ve ever used. As demonstrated on your video several times, it’s impossible to get a smooth pump out of it and if hunting or shooting clays, you end up short stroking it often. Sure, it’s reliable when it’s not broken, but just not smooth. I have a Winchester 1300 that is my go to pump shotgun and that action rocks. 870, not so much

    • Jack Burton

      You can chalk that up to modern day quality control practices, not the design itself

    • Kivaari

      Wow, that’s not been my experience at all. The 870 is one of the slickest working pumps ever made. Except for replacing the ejector it is easy to work on. I had a dozen of them over the years and worked on many more just keeping them clean. The Winchester 1200/1300 series are weak and crude in comparison. Mossbergs are rough.

      • Zack mars

        I’ve seen remingtons straight from the factory with bad rust.

        But boy howdy, the receiver is steel, so you’ve got that going for you

        • Kivaari

          That is the new “Express” models. They are cheap. Buy the “Police” or “Wingmaster” with the phosphate or bluing . Remington has cut too many corners as of late.

          • Zack mars

            Or buy a cheap mossberg, and be done with the mess that is Remington

          • Kivaari

            I’d agree if you said buy the M590 or M590A1 as they are phosphate covered and have metal safeties and trigger groups.

          • Zack mars

            The normal 500 is head and shoulders above the 870 express.

            The 590A1 is head and shoulders above the police guns.

            You can make a case for the old remingtons, but that was decades ago

        • Kivaari

          As I said, the Express model is cheap. I don’t like cheap. The Mossbergs wear out too fast in harsh conditions. Buy a higher grade shotgun and it wont rust as easy.

          • Zack mars

            Wear out too fast? I assume you have proof?

          • Kivaari

            I have personally observed worn out Mossbergs. I have read that the sandbox is tough on them.

          • Zack mars

            So no proof. ok.

          • Kivaari

            I have personally observed worn out Mossbergs. Personally, doesn’t mean I read about it. Then I wrote the I read about the issues in the Iraq and Afghanistan theater. Now I don’t have those articles. I’ve been in the business for 50 years and have seen a few broken guns.

          • Zack mars

            So no proof, still. Ok.

    • Flounder

      They all suck these days. I have seen some older ones that are nicer. And had a hard earned and well deserved reputation. But now they are just resting on their laurels and copying mossberg now.

      Oh and screwing up the quality control. Cant forget that one.

  • Tom Currie

    “If you look in the trunk of just about any patrol car in America you are
    going to find a Remington 870 of one flavor or another. ” Apparently this was written at least twenty years ago.

    • Paveway

      Agree.

      Anyone who can, carries an AR. And most agents I know in other various law enforcement agencies across the state – if allowed two long guns, carry an AR plus some flavor of issued SMG. Usually UMPs or MP5s. Various flavors of suppressors typically.

      Shotguns are usually found in the backward poduck department and agencies. And honestly, most rural departments let officers carry their own long gun – which ends up being an AR.

  • ShooterPatBob

    Are there any lefties on here? I got a deal on one of these 870 tactical shotguns a few months ago and took it to the range. It turns out the safety will brush against my trigger finger during recoil and lock up the gun, unless I make a conscious effort to bow my finger out away from the trigger guard. I could get the plastic aftermarket left hand safety for $17 from Midway, but I decided to sell it to a friend and stick with my Mossberg.