BREAKING: US Banned VEPR Due To Sanctions? Looks Like It!

The US Department Of Treasury released an update to the sanction list in connection to the Russian – Ukranian conflict today and it appears that as a result of the change to sanctions the US has banned VEPR rifles and shotguns from further import. Well not really banned, but United States based businesses are prohibited from doing business with Molot-Oruzhie going forward. I imagine that any products that have been purchased already and are in the process of import will be available for purchase, but anything past that will become very scarce like the Saiga rifles and shotguns several years ago.

Before you get too angry and start screaming ‘THIS IS POLITICS’ and smashing your face into the keyboard, there are sometimes when the effects of political actions make a drastic impact on the American shooter. As much as I hate writing about laws, regulations, and sanctions I am forced to from time to time while maintaining as non-political of a stance as possible.

Hrachya H. spotted the update to the sanction list posted today and wasn’t able to write about it, but nice spot! Getting the information out to shooters that have been eyeing that VEPR for the last several years will be pleased with the chance to grab their VEPR before supplies dry up. I would move fast if you are looking at one.

So why has Molot-Oruzhie been placed on the sanctions list? The Department fo Treasury cites that a connection to Kalashnikov Concern is the reason they are now sanctioned just like other Russian arms giant. While I wasn’t able to find hard proof of a connection I suspect that Hrachya was correct in the article he posted about Molot being bankrupt and was to be sold. (Read that post HERE) Hrachya stated that he felt Kalashnikov Concern was the only company that was capable or willing to buy the failed Molot. If that did in fact happen, that would be the reason that Molot was added to the sanction list.

The text from the US Department of Treasury is posted below:

MOLOT-ORUZHIE, OOO (a.k.a. OBSHCHESTVO S OGRANICHENNOI OTVETSTVENNOSTYU ‘MOLOT-ORUZHIE’; f.k.a. OBSHCHESTVO S OGRANICHENNOI OTVETSTVENNOSTYU PROIZVODSTVENNO INSTRUMENT KACHESTVO), 135 ul. Lenina, Vyatskie Polyany, Kirov Obl. 612960, Russia; Registration ID 1094307000633 (Russia); Tax ID No. 4307012765 (Russia); Government Gazette Number 60615883 (Russia) [UKRAINE-EO13661] (Linked To: KALASHNIKOV CONCERN).

We reached out to FIME Group, the US-based importer of MOLOT products, and asked for a statement. At the time this story was written they were putting together a press release and will be releasing it shortly. Make sure to check back soon to see how this will affect the US market.

We also reached to the Office of Foreign Assets Control for more information and left a message. We will be updating as we learn more.

You can see the updated list on the Department of Treasury website HERE or visit the Molot-Oruzhie website HERE. The US Importer of the Molot lineup is FMIE Group in Las Vegas, you can visit their site HERE.



Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and Co-Director for TFBTV. He is a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially overly modified plastic handguns, precision rifles, and AR based things. You can follow Patrick on Instagram @tfbpatrick, Facebook, or contact him by email at TFBpatrick@gmail.com.

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  • Gun Fu Guru

    It’s a crappy AK. Who cares?

    • burningwar

      It isn’t even an AK, more of a “somewhat AK compatible” design.

      • Anonymoose

        “somewhat AK-compatible RPK abomination”

        • Petto

          It’s a short RPK – nothing extra going on 😉

          • Anonymoose

            Some of them take an AKM stock though.

    • Petto

      Rob Ski called – that you saying bullshit

    • Sermon 7.62

      Vepr sells in fact the most original AK on the market: Vepr KM. That is, original AKM rifles released from conservation. It’s being sold with a guarantee that it shoots 60mm or less at 100m. And it does.

      In the US, these rifles can be found at Legion. Search “Legion USA Russian AKM”. For $1,349

      The barrels and receivers are US-made, but all other parts are original, in mint condition and it is stated on their site that their “masters trained in Russia on Izhmash and Molot manufacturers”, so…

      • Blake

        They’re also one of the very few companies that make a good-quality 6.5 Grendel semi-auto for under a kilobuck.

    • Flounder

      It’s the best AK on the market from the factory. Better than the Arsenals (I am looking at your garbage paint job! Arsenal), a smoother action but still a bit rough but like 200 grit rather than the 60 or 20 of century’s guns.

      When the Veprs showed up, it forced everyone else to start making their AK’s not garbage. If they are gone…

      The veprs also forced the price down significantly. Going for 6-800 and matching other ak’s going for 11-1400.

      It matters, even if you don’t like AK’s.

      • Gun Fu Guru

        I was condemning AKs in general as crappy, not just VEPRs.

        • Brett baker

          OBVIOUSLY, YOU ARE AN ELITIST SNOB, WHO, JUST BECAUSE HE CAN MAINTAIN HIS AR, LOOKS DOWN ON AK’S AS THE INACCURATE TOOL OF GOAT SODOMIZERS THEY ARE!

          • Gun Fu Guru

            Nah, I’m a Mosin fanboy who thinks a 125 year old weapon design is the best thing since sliced bread.

          • Brett baker

            Hey Mosin were the bomb when they were 69.99 out the door!

    • Primo Victoria

      Lots of tomb stones accredited to crappy AKs.

  • Corey D Morris

    Rob Ski is NOT going to be happy…
    NO VEPR FOR YOU!

    • Ark

      This is incredibly appropriate.

    • Master Phucat

      Vepr AK -47 selling for crazy money on line….

  • Cal S.

    Eh, they were overpriced to begin with. I’ll just watch Classic’s prices triple over this…

    • Qoquaq En Transic

      Yeah… I’ll bet the Legend Milled AKs of many years ago will rise again in price.

  • Maxpwr

    More import bans? Did Hillary win the election? I remember when Bill Clinton did his 1998 import ban, the VEPR was one of the few firearms which could continue to be imported after the ATF did their rigged study. I know this ban is due to sanctions rather than “sporting purposes”, but both kinds of bans suck.

    • De Facto

      The anti-gun side never misses an opportunity to ban firearms, and the “pro-gun” politicians never lift the bans once in place. We banned Norinco, but do business with China, we’ve banned Russian guns, the ATF uses it’s enigmatic and arbitrary “sporting purpose” clause to keep as many guns out of the US as possible. I won’t be surprised if we see Turkish guns banned next.

      • May

        Norinco got banned because they were caught falsifying records and selling NFA items without proper paperwork. They sold rocket launchers to street gangs!

        • De Facto

          Incorrect. A bunch of Government agents posing as arms dealers went to Norinco and convinced Norinco to sell guns and rocket launchers to them for outrageous profits. Inner city gangs have no interest in rocket launchers and little interest in rifles, and had nothing to do with the sting.

          tl;dr The Clinton administration ordered their minions to entrap Norinco, and they did. Yet another instance of Government creating crime where none had existed prior.

          So no. I don’t give a crap about what went on between the Clinton administration and Norinco. I also don’t trust the word of the Clinton’s or any of their toadies.

          Incidentally; anyone with sufficient cash and connections (which, I would assume illegal arms dealers have) can still find a way to buy/import heavy weapons. It would be even simpler than smuggling cocaine, and God knows enough of THAT makes it into the states.

    • Joshua

      No guns were banned. Sanctions were placed on Russia.

      • Maxpwr

        Your semantics argument is stupid.

        • Joshua

          It’s not semantics in this case. Putting sanctions on Russia companies in a time when a war is heating up happens.

        • It’s not, though– a “gun ban” means the rifles themselves are prohibited, which would affect tens of thousands of current owners. This is an import ban, which means no new ones will be brought in, but all those owners who already have VEPRs aren’t the ones being sanctioned; quite the opposite, since now that they have a firearm with an artificially limited supply, they can sell it for a profit much more easily.

          • Maxpwr

            It’s still a gun ban. If California put a 1000% tax on firearm sales you’d call it a legitimate use of taxation power by a legitimate government for a legal purpose, but normal people would call it a gun ban. De facto or not. What did we call the 1994 gun ban? The Assault Weapons Ban. No current owners were prohibited from owning the guns, but we still called it a gun ban. I’m sure you would have been on-line defending it as just a ban on manufacturing, no actual guns were banned. Semantics.

          • I could maybe dig up some of the Letters To The Editor I wrote back then pointing out how utterly ridiculous the Clinton “Assault Weapons” Ban was if you want, but that’s irrelevant to the central point of an “import ban” not being the same thing as a “gun ban”.

            I couldn’t care less about those two birds in the bush, an actual firearm in somebody’s gunsafe carries more weight than a potential firearm that they might or might not buy at some point in the future. All this means is that a steady supply of new models has been cut off; as a practical matter that’s not substantially different than the feds shutting down a manufacturer for repeated NFA or tax code violations.

  • Vitsaus

    Let the gouging begin…

  • I suppose the president won’t ever reverse the E.O. since it involves russia. Time to invest in Kalashnikove USA.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Not even kind of the same company.

  • Anonymoose

    I thought they were already banned. This Russia-Syria-Ukraine stuff has to stop. IDGAF about Ukrainian Nazis or Syrian jihadis. Let Russia do as they please and give us Saigas and Veprs again! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82808944c47e7194560b8cde4bfb2b28086311350905cabe08a18fa45452cbd4.jpg

  • TDog

    GOP Senate… GOP House… GOP White House… but don’t worry! The GOP doesn’t believe in bans on firearms!

    • Jambo

      Or we could all realize that like the last import ban on Kalashnikov products, this is due to foreign policy. Yeah, it sucks, but who knows, maybe the ban will be lifted under this administration. Or maybe the GOP doesn’t care about gun owners as much as they claim. Either way, we’re going to be okay. Just buy American.

      • TDog

        You can buy what you want so long as you buy what we say you can.

        • Just my opinion

          Reminds me of the Henry Ford quote about the model T paraphrased as ” a man can buy any color of model T he wants, so long as the color is black!”

      • De Facto

        I would buy American rifles if American companies were interested in making things other than AR’s.

        • Alexandru Ianu

          Riley seems to be doing good on AKs for now.

        • criterionbarrels

          We would love to make AK barrels for US manufacturers! Unfortunately it’s tough to find a domestic rifle builder interested in purchasing hand lapped match grade AK barrels.

          • GaryOlson

            Perhaps you need to adjust your manufacturing specifications to vodka lapped and Siberian grade.

          • The Mystic Seer

            10/22

          • criterionbarrels

            The 10/22 is on our short list for new stock model configurations!

      • Alexandru Ianu

        It won’t be lifted unless Russia falls back on Crimea and E Ukraine. And they won’t unless forced by internal conflict later on. That’s the nature of economic warfare.

        • Gun Fu Guru

          That is if we don’t pass the new sanctions that the House approved in response the election meddling.

      • Mmmtacos

        “maybe the ban will be lifted under this administration”

        Nope.

        The senate voted on this 97-2 a week ago with Mike Lee and Rand Paul dissenting. It strengthens the sanctions Obama put in place and makes it impossible for Trump to rescind them without congressional approval.

        GOP controls executive and legislative branches and yet all they want to do is push the Democrat’s agenda. Makes me sick.

        • Kurt Akemann

          The Senate is quite angry with Russia right now and that anger is bipartisan. This is indeed about foreign policy and defense and sadly the Molot ban is collateral damage.

          • int19h

            It’s not collateral damage. It’s deliberate damage. Molot is very much a legitimate target for these sanctions.

          • Kurt Akemann

            You’re right so let me ‘revise and extend’: Molot as a company is a legitimate target for sanctions and that those sanctions cause an import ban of rifles is a side effect. The intent of the sanctions is not to prevent Americans from obtaining rifles; it is to deny Russian companies that are part of the defense industry access to US markets as a punishment for Russian misbehavior. And as such it is a legitimate action by the federal government.

      • Buy American!*

        *this encouragement does not apply to current-manufacture firearms from Remington, Marlin, Bushmaster, DPMS, Advanced Armament, H&R, or Para USA.*

        • .45

          Hey, I like my Marlin and H&R firearms… And I just realized I don’t own any of the other brands. I do own a couple of Colts and a Springfield, them is American.

          • My 39A has been one of my favorite guns for over thirty years, but it’s a (JM) Marlin, made long before the corporate scumbags of Freedom Group bought out Marlin and started slashing quality to chase the bottom line all the way to the bottom. Current production Marlin products are poorly-fit and partially finished trash made from substandard materials.

            Springfield can go choke on one, they anchored a lobbying group that threw Illinois gun owners under a legislative bus in exchange for an exemption.

          • .45

            Well, since my Marlin, H&Rs, and Springfield are probably older than you and most definitely older than me, I wouldn’t know about much of that.

        • Wow!

          DPMS actually makes pretty good stuff. Although I guess with all the cheap FN imports these days, buying American doesn’t make as much sense aside from the lower build.

      • It costs a lot of money for American companies to get an AK right…

    • Gun Fu Guru

      This has nothing to do with banning firearms. It is a direct response to the Russian Federation attacking, occupying, and annexing Crimea from the Ukraine. In a previous era, that would constitute an act of war. Alas, Russia hasn’t bothered to take over the whole country but rather the portions with a majority population of ethnic Russians. (It is fairly similar to Hitler’s annexation of Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland.) By prohibiting the companies in the United States from doing business with Russian companies, they are hurting Russia’s bottom line. Because their is rampant corruption in that country, they are also prohibiting money from going to leaders like Putin.

      • Walter R. Milton

        You mean when Russia exercised its right to station up to 25,000 troops in Ukraine and save the Russians there from ethnic cleansing, as was threatened by the newly installed US puppet Ukrainian government? Those ethnic Russians then freely and fairly voted to rejoin Russia. All of which upset the US/NATO plan to cut off Russia from that extremely important strategic landmass, which would have assured another US/NATO quick strike location against Russia had she not acted to prevent this existential threat from popping up on her doorstep. I think that’s what you meant.

        • Chatterbot

          1) Russian right to station troops was limited to within Sevastopol naval base. What you described would be equivalent to United States exercising it’s right to station troops in Guantanamo to take over Havana (edit: agreement a bit more complex, troops were allowed to be stationed outside Sevastopol – but much less than what Russia ultimately brought in for occupation).
          2) There was no ethnic cleansing threat – except in minds of people brainwashed by Russian TV. How do we know? Because despite the fact that Ukrainian government has retained control over Russian ethnic populated areas, and no ethnic cleansing occurred. Parenthetically,I’ll add that ethnic Russian comprise a large minority of Ukrainian army and security forces.
          3) If NATO would ask, I’m pretty sure Ukrainians would allow them to deploy on their territory in about a minute – which puts them a lot closer to Moscow than from Crimean peninsula. So if the goal was to keep NATO troops away from Russia, the occupation of Crimea was a total failure.

          But thank you for regurgitating a load of steaming Russian propaganda.

          • Walter R. Milton

            The installation of the puppet government would have assured the complete loss of Ukraine to NATO, including Crimea, so they salvaged what they could from a bad situation. That was a success, as a couple slices is better than no loaf at all. Also, my research does not bear out your suggestion that the 25K are limited to Sevastopol. (When I said Ukraine, I meant Crimea) whereas, several articles suggest that anti-Russian Zbigniew Brzezinski strategy for Ukraine against Russia was tantamount to ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians and Russian speakers from Ukraine, so there is precedence..

          • Chatterbot

            1) No, change in government would not necessarily lead to loss of Ukraine to NATO. Prior to Russian annexation of Crimea, NATO membership was not very popular – about 30-40% range. This hasn’t changed until Ukrainians realized that their neighbor to the east was in fact the biggest danger.
            2) I stand corrected – other Crimean bases, enumerated in Kharkov accord are allowed. But please note – the limitation on naval infantry and naval air forces is 1927 men, in total – something Russia blatantly broke when Russian “green men” and naval infantry/SF forces started streaming onto the peninsula.
            3) Let me get this straight – you’re citing an alleged article by an elderly former administration official, who haven’t served in government for over 30 years as evidence that genocide was to take place. And that trumps factual evidence that no such genocide actually took place. Mhm.

            OK, here is аn article by anti-American Dugin, that says that a Great War exists between Eurasia and North America. Can we launch nukes yet?
            http://ptel.cz/2014/04/aleksandr-dugin-nachalas-velikaya-vojna-kontinentov/

          • Sermon 7.62

            According to the contract between Russia and Ukraine, the numbers are:

            25,000 troops and 130 tanks, 160 aircrafts, 380 ships

            This is what Russia had the right to bring to Crimea in the situation of need, such as to prevent an attempt to stage a coup or to protect its bases.

          • int19h

            My favorite bit about the occupation of Crimea is that it was done via a “referendum” (putting that in quotes, because it’s a very funny kind of referendum to hold when the armed troops of the country you’re voting to be annexed by are also occupying that territory at that very moment…).

            The reason why it’s so ironic is that Russia has a law against “separatism”, which makes it a crime to say things like “we should hold a referendum on whether Crimea should secede and rejoin Ukraine” (or even “secede and become independent”). To reiterate: it’s not just illegal to hold such a referendum; it’s illegal to *talk* about one, even in hypothetical. If I remember correctly, a guy was actually prosecuted for this.

            So, Russia is like the mob: once you’re in, you don’t get to leave.

          • Sermon 7.62

            I am a 50% ethnic Russian who spent a part of life in Ukraine and I know it well. I have also been to Crimea a lot of times and I can assure that most people there voted to join Russia for real.

            Problem is that not knowing the situation from the inside it is impossible to understand what is going on there.

          • int19h

            I am an ethnic Russian as well. I don’t doubt that a real referendum would also vote to join Russia; nevertheless, a real referendum is not held at gunpoint. And regardless of the result of the referendum, the point is that Crimeans bought a one-way ticket. Any talk of leaving now is separatism – which is ironic, because they were complaining about Ukraine not letting them hold a referendum on that before.

          • Sermon 7.62

            You are an ethnic Russian, thus, must understand that Crimea has no means to separate itself and be an independent state.

          • int19h

            What does that have to do with anything? The point is that Crimeans are no longer free to choose their destiny, whichever way it may take them. They handed over the leash from Kiev to Moscow, and it only got tighter.

          • Sermon 7.62

            There is no such thing as Crimeans.

          • int19h

            There were no such things as Americans, and then one day there were. Nations are created by the will of the people that constitute them.

            In any case, Russia restricts the right to self-determination of anyone in its jurisdiction, including existing nations that it itself recognizes.

          • Sermon 7.62

            Crimeans are not a people and to become a nation it takes a people or a number of peoples that get together and build it.

            Crimeans are just Russians that reside in Crimea.

          • Amplified Heat

            Is that because Stalin purged all the natives?

          • Brett baker

            Oh, now you’ve done it😁

          • Sermon 7.62

            That’s a punch!

          • Sermon 7.62

            Natives? You must be talking about the Crimean Tatars…

            “In 1571, the Crimean Tatars attacked and sacked Moscow, burning everything but the Kremlin.”

            “Until the late 18th century, Crimean Tatars maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Ukraine.”

            These natives?

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            LOL! The will of the ruling class. The day it is the will of the people will be because snow won’t melt in hell.

          • int19h

            It was the people who stood up and fought for the land they now deemed theirs and theirs alone. Are you saying they were coerced? Because if not, then it was their will.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            You need to do some homework.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            And we are free to choose our destiny? Gee, I think that was settled at GUNPOINT back about 1861, now wasn’t it. I’d LOVE to see the USA split up into the 50 countries that the District of the Criminally insane psycho nut cases claim control over. I’d LOVE to see the states disband the Federal government and everything connected to it and become free and independent COUNTRIES and if they decide to put something together again, to make sure it doesn’t turn back into the crap pile it is now. But, hey, that’s me. I’ve figured it out. GOVERNMENT is the DISEASE masquerading as the CURE.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            WHAT? Not even one like? I must be writing among a bunch of brain dead lemmings.

          • Sermon 7.62

            The goal was to retain the port of Sevastopol, and its infrastruture, and keep all the bases and ships in Crimea, and not let some freaks to get for free what was bought with blood.

          • Jason Culligan

            No matter how you try to slice it, the way the Russians took control of the Crimean peninsula makes it virtually impossible for the Russian government to legally justify their control of the region. The Ukraine will always have a strong legal case in the international community for its return.

            I do agree that it is likely that the Crimean people would have voted in favour of leaving. That being said, the Russians deserve to be punished for the way they took control as historical precedent has shown that allowing countries to annex territory at will is a slippery slope.

          • Sermon 7.62

            You agree the Crimean population would have voted in favour of leaving. You must agree, in this case, that the annexation was legal.

          • Jason Culligan

            I said that it was likely, not that it was a guarantee. There is also evidence to suggest that the Russians violated Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention by bussing people across the border into Crimea to vote.

            In the end, it’s impossible to justify an election that took place under the barrel of a gun and had no neutral independent oversight no matter what way the Crimean people may or may not have voted under different circumstances. Much of the international community agrees with this and legally the Crimea is defined as Ukrainian territory under Russian occupation.

          • Sermon 7.62

            If that was the problem, then Crimea might vote again and do it under the supervision of the UN. But the problem is that all of them know well that Crimea voted as it wanted to vote, and so there’s been no suggestions to arrange that.

            It has nothing to do with being legal or illegal. But, Kosovo set a precedent, and that means a legal basis for similar actions.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            Why doesn’t that “Kosovo set a precedent” line work for Chechnya or any of the other separatist regions in Russia?

          • Sermon 7.62

            Kosovo declared independence in 2008. The Second Chechen War ended in 2000.

            You are not from Russia, or Ukraine. I can see that. You have no idea about the situation there.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            Who mentioned anything about war? Chechnya is not it’s own independent country. When the occupation/military control ended in 2009, Moscow installed its pro-government officials who ruled and continue to govern by the threat of force and silencing the opposition. The desire to separate from the Federation has not subsided at all. It is morally right to keep the oblast from becoming it’s own country? If the “Kosovo precedent” existed at the time of the first and second wars, should Russia have backed down and supported Chechnya’s desire to determine it’s own destiny.

            (I have a doctorate in international relations. I know more than the average joe on here.)

          • Sermon 7.62

            Doctorate? You have no clue, and have a doctorate. From which school?

            Moscow installed its pro-government officials in 2000, and Kosovo happened in 2008. Since 2000, there has been no desire there to separate from the Federation. Russia has been pouring millions or billions into the region and also let them have as much of autonomous life as possible.

            There is a bunch of tribes there, and their leader belongs to one of the most respected clans. His father was an influential imam, and their decision to stop fighting was not not forced upon them. The reason was that other, financed from the abroad, insurgent groups represented the Sunni branch of Islam and traditional for that region is the Sufi Islam, considered heretical by the Sunnis.

            In 2000, there was a full-time religious war there.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            “Moscow installed its pro-government officials in 2000…”
            So you admit that they forbade free and independent elections, nice.

            “Since 2000, there has been no desire there to separate from the Federation.”
            See previous statement.

            What I asked is very narrow: “If the ‘Kosovo precedent’ existed at the time of the first and second wars, should Russia have backed down and supported Chechnya’s desire to determine it’s own destiny” They still want to be independent, but oblast leaders silence opposition to Moscow’s control of the region through the use of fear and intimidation. Given that, let me repeat another question: “It is morally right to keep the oblast from becoming it’s own country?”

          • Sermon 7.62

            Dude, like I said one has to know what he is talking about. You have no idea.

            Because there has been no chance, and still is no chance for “free and independent” elections there. From the start, the Chechens began a war instead of going through all the democratic procedures. The legal head of the administration was thrown out of a window.

            Next, there started a conflict between the Chechen and the Ingush peoples. Then, between the Ingush and Ossetians. Then, between various groups of the Chechens. Then, between the Chechens and Dagestanis. There were several coup attempts.

            These are people of the mountains, the tribes that live according to their traditions, and elections is not a part of them 🙂

            But, to answer the question regarding Kosovo, I think that if the Chechens had a more moderate attitude, and some patience, then Russia would have supported them, as it supported all the rest of those who asked for independence.

            Boris Yeltsin said, “Take as much sovereignity as you can swallow.” He said that in 1991.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            Make no mistake: Russia seized Crimea because it was an easy target.
            Don’t let Putin sell you on that false nationalism BS.

          • Sermon 7.62

            Russia will return Alaska in the end, too 🙂

          • Gun Fu Guru

            $7.2mil wasn’t enough for you? 🙂

          • Sermon 7.62

            It was. Now it isn’t. So, pack things and get out of there before the little green men come.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            We got guns, liquor, and canned food. I think we’re prepared for Red Dawn.

            Wolverines!!!

          • Brett baker

            Actually,I thought defending the frozen north is why we had Canadians.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            We have to save Alaska first.

          • Sermon 7.62

            All Alaskan wolverines are also Russian.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            I guess you aren’t a[n American] child of the 80s.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            Red Dawn is a 1984 movie that deals with a full-scale Soviet invasion of the United States. The “Wolverines” were a local guerrilla group that opposed them.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            Keep preparing. Red Dawn took place in 1913.

          • Tox

            Oh, We’re your huckleberry…Obama Whitehouse no longer hoss.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            “What you described would be equivalent to United States exercising it’s
            right to station troops in Guantanamo to take over Havana” Meanwhile, with the support of all of those people who have LOVE JESUS stickers across from their SUPPORT THE TROOPS stickers, the USA has exercised it’s RIGHT to dominate the whole stinking world. “We” have how many air craft carriers? Oh, I see, 19 and 16 in the making. China has how many aircraft carriers? Oh, I see 1 and 1 in the making. Russia has how many aircraft carriers? Oh, I see ONE and NONE in the making. We who live in the USA live in modern day Rome where the psychopathic “leaders” make most of you believe you live in the exceptional country that wouldn’t do things like blow up 3 buildings with 3000 people in New York so that “they” could get us into endless wars fighting “terrorists”. WELCOME TO THE ASYLUM CALLED THE USA where the WARDENS should be IN the ASYLUM not running it.

        • Zapped 02

          How about you read a history book and find out how Russia killed millions in that area decades ago and then moved Russian people into the land to take it over.
          What once was called the bread basket of Europe was a land of starving people after the ussr got done with it.

          http://www.holodomorct.org/history.html

          • Eraserstp

            More people dies from hunger outside Ukraine at time, though.

          • Sermon 7.62

            About 10 million people died in Iran as a result of the famine in 1918. The famine in Russia in 1922 killed 5 million people in the Volga and Ural regions. Famine in northern China resulted in 3 million deaths in 1930.

            Then, the so-called Soviet famine of 1932 happened. Something like 10 million people died. The affected areas included not just Ukraine, but also Caucasus, Volga region and Kazakhstan, Ural and West Siberia.

          • Brett baker

            The thing was, Stalin made sure those people starved. That made a bad situation worse. Kind of like purging his best generals in 1939.

          • Sermon 7.62

            No. The first famine happened before Stalin. The famine in China is an example that the same happened in other countries at the same time. Even in the US there was the Great Depression.

          • Max Glazer

            Please. Great Depression in USA instantly comes to mind. Millions of Americans died and not due to lack of food but due to lack of money to buy it. And rather then distribute food between the starving, US government chose to protect capitalist market principles and burned thousands and thousands of tonnes of fruit, vegetables, grain and other produce as well as plough fields that were ready for harvesting. Mass deaths in state-provided work camps from illnesses. from 30 dollars a month, 25 were docked. To hide the mass deaths they skipped doing the statistics for a year. And recently Wiki removed an analysis of how many died during great depression without explanation.

            Stalin at the same time was purchasing equipment to improve ability to plant and harvest food. Except western countries refused to take gold as payment and demanded grain, all the while KNOWING how dire the situation was in USSR at the time.

        • Gun Fu Guru

          What’s this, RT’s shadow account?

      • ______\

        Sorry I don’t give a crap what Russia does in the Ukraine. Who appointed us as world police? I’m tired of my tax dollars paying for pointless interventionist wars all over the globe.

        • Gun Fu Guru

          I didn’t say I agree with it; I merely pointed out why the action has nothing to do with banning guns.

          • Sermon 7.62

            The Russians have never left Crimea, and kept their bases and ports, built by the Russians, and thus, Crimea belongs to Russia as it has been before.

            Ukrainians didn’t conquer it, didn’t die for it, didn’t spill their blood on its soil and had no rights to possess it in the first place.

            Ukrainians didn’t live there, didn’t built it, and had to appreciate the gift instead of spitting in the face of those who gave it to them.

            Yet some smart people thought it was possible to push the Russians out of Crimea, along with all their fleet and troops, somewhere else.

            Those people were wrong.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            It became Ukrainian when Soviet Rüssia offered it to Soviet Ukraine in 1954 because of the (in English) “territorial proximity of Crimea to Ukraine, the commonalities of their economies, and the close agricultural and cultural ties between the Crimean oblast and the UkrSSS.” While this explanation really doesn’t scratch the surface, it is likely because Khrushchev (himself a Ukrainian) was trying to keep the Republic in the Soviet fold after years of internal war and to use Ukraine to strengthen his position as General Secretary (which he had been in for less than six months) and eventually overpower Georgy Malenkov to become the Soviet Premier (which he did a year later). Furthermore after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the Rüssian Federation affirmed Ukraine’s ownership of Crimea with the Belovezhskaya Pushcha Accords when it accepted the status quo borders of each country (Russia, Belarus, and Russia). It was a clear breach of international law. This is more serious than you may be led to believe. If we can’t trust countries to follow their agreements, then chaos will be the result. If we don’t punish the offenders, it will happen to us.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/49382664da9df7521eee08eb6abccf30aafcd68826eb93e5af52e2caffeb78b7.png

          • Sermon 7.62

            To punish Russia for not following the agreements of corrupt politicians is a great idea!

          • Malthrak

            That was a rather weak deflection without addressing any of the agreements previously signed and sworn to by the constituent republics of the USSR and between the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

            They did manage to nicely arrest the slow decay of NATO and kick it back into gear again however.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            Corrupt is not the same as illegal. Just ask any Republican about Obamacare.

            Quit spewing nonsensical Krémlin talking points.

          • Sermon 7.62

            Quit spewing nonsensical Russophobic crap.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            What was Russophobic about what I said?

          • Sermon 7.62

            “It is similar to Hitler’s annexation of Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland”

          • Gun Fu Guru

            That isn’t Russophobic; it’s an analogy. Not all comparisons to Hitler are bad.

          • Tom Luongo

            It’s a terrible analogy. Crimeans voted for reunification. The only Nazi element to the story of Crimea becoming a part of Russia was their fear of real Neo-Nazis, Right Sector, that took control in Kiev.

            There was an invasion force on the way to Crimea to execute the parliament and begin purges. the Russians defended them against that. If the Russians were the invaders then why are the Crimeans building statues in their honor?

            Today Poroshenko is doing Right Sector’s bidding lest they overthrow him. The only good news in recent months is Trump’s blocking further funding for Right Sector and the Azov Battalion. John McCain responded with these new sanctions.

            That’s the real story. Flush out your headgear on this.

          • Gregory S. Armand

            Crimean’s aren’t building the statues. Go there – it has become miserable! The invasion force was never needed – Russia flew in tons of civilians who voted in the election. Poroshenko … I won’t go into him … nor the Kyiv government which has troops in the field bleeding but worry about what cars they drive and where they buy their clothing!

            Russia had zero, none, no, nota, zip right to Crimea. An annexation vote? Like Germany did with Austria? Or maybe illegals can do with some of the cities they are the majority population in? Like to see a city near you become Mexican? Chinese? Even Russian as they “protected Russian speakers worldwide”? Not protect Russian people – protect Russian SPEAKERS!

            I wouldn’t believe most of the propaganda about the Azoz and their “crimes” – though I can tell you my reports that Russia was not mutilating soldiers was wrong! Way wrong; they continued what they were doing in Georgia.

          • Sermon 7.62

            Russia conquered Crimea, built Sevastopol and the rest of its cities, Russia has all the rights.

          • Victor Palatkin

            Russia doesn’t care which way Ukraine will go. They will not give away their navy base in Crimea to NATO. So our bickering is useless. Concentrate on bringing back our jobs and factories!

          • Victor Palatkin

            Ukraine was the South part of Russia for 1,100 years.

          • Andrei Kersha

            Russia did not exist that long. Before Peter the Great, it was called Moscovia or Kingdom of Moscovia. The term Russia did not exist until 17th century. When Kiev was a prosperous city, Moscow did not even exist and hence could not own anything. lol. f-ing Putin trolls.

          • supergun

            You sound like a communists. You must be getting your health care free.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            Ron Paul-esque libertarian from Virginia. The Supreme Court ruled on the constitutionality of the law in 2012.

          • Victor Palatkin

            Ron Paul and few other republicans voted against Trump. Their political carriers are finished. New Republicans will challenge them in 2018 election and Trump will support those new Republicans.

          • Trust No One

            Why don’t YOU quit spewing nonsensical US / Globalist talking points. You obviously know nothing about the issue except what you are spoon fed by the Globalist propaganda agencies.

          • Gun Fu Guru

            Globalist propaganda agencies? Okay, let’s take off the tin-foil hat…

          • Sermon 7.62

            “Operation Earnest Voice is an astroturfing campaign by the US government. The aim of the initiative is to use sockpuppets to spread pro-American propaganda on social networking sites…”

            Just one example (feel free to google it).

          • Zapp Brannigan

            It’s weird to see an actual Russian propagandist in the wild.

          • Sermon 7.62

            Just explaining the situation as it is indeed, not as it is presented in the MSM.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            And you are a _______________ propagandist? Just curious. Fill in the blank.

          • Bob Atom

            Really? Another naive AK47 are the ultimate rifle fan-boy? When I see stuff like what is written here, I worry for the US. I am pro-American, 2nd Amendment, veteran, and I believe half the people in these forums are going to be my enemy when the SHTF.

          • supergun

            I thought the VEPR was banned several years ago under obama?

          • Sermon 7.62

            No, as far as I know he banned KC, but not Molot.

          • supergun

            I thought they imposed Russian sanctions back in 2014.

          • Gregory S. Armand

            2 US Presidents signed the agreement with Russia to protect the borders of Ukraine. Obama was the second when he reaffirmed the agreement. Russia breached it. Yes, our politicians are corrupt but Ukraine did as they were supposed to do but Russia and the United States has failed. Seems kind of wrong!

          • Sermon 7.62

            MYOB.

          • Brett baker

            Why are you minding Ukraine’s?

          • Sermon 7.62

            For me it’s a homeland.

          • supergun

            Excellent comment. Nice reading in a gun page. After all, America’s independence was won in blood and guns, America has stayed free from tranny and foreign governments by the gun, and America will die if we ban the gun.

          • Trust No One

            You are correct in the selective parts of the issue you mentioned. However you failed to mention that the people who live in the Crimea are ETHNIC RUSSIANS, and have been for centuries. They have a different language and culture than the Ukrainians. You pointed out that it was Stalin’s right hand man, a Ukrainian, who annexed the Crimea to the Ukraine, but you failed to mention to mention that the Ukrainians HATE ethnic Russians, the Ukraine supported Hitler in WWII. As for your comment about not trusting countries who cannot keep their word, why didn’t you mention the fact that NATO agreed it would NOT include the Baltic Republics into NATO. Then again, the US never keeps it’s word.
            You overlooked the fact that Russia only supported THE INHABITANTS of the Crimea in their quest to UN-DO what was done by the STALINIST henchman after the WEST supported the revolt against the DEMOCRATICALLY elected President because he agreed to enter a trade agreement with Russia and China whereas the ETHNIC UKRAINIANS wanted to join the Common Market and NATO,
            And to put things in perspective, keep in mind that the US has started, or supported those who started every every major war in the last 50 years.
            It is the US that has 138 military bases in every area of the world. It is the US (and NATO) that has moved tanks right up to the Russian border (again, something the promised they would NOT do).
            BTW: I am a 68 Year old native American, a service brat who grew up on military bases who spent 40 years working for the Federal Government, the first 20 or so years working for various branches of the military and the last working for another agency.
            I am also married to an ethnic Russian who was born in Belarus but who’s parents were born in the Ukraine and as such gets information from the common people who live there in addition to international news reports.

          • Gregory S. Armand

            Incorrect – the people of Crimea are no more “ethnic Russian’s” then the Ukrainians living in Ukraine. The USSR moved people around for many reasons! There are two languages in Ukraine – Russian and Ukrainian. To say Russian isn’t spoken only by Russian’s is totally false! Many Ukrainians HAD to learn Russian due to USSR rules!

            The Russians are moving the inhabitants out of Crimea. Go visit!

            You believe the Ukrainian’s didn’t overthrow their own President. I was in the square that winter! Not in the fight but in the square! You need to go back and look at how Viktor Yanukovych was elected, the promises he made to Ukraine concerning European integration and his corruption.

          • Sermon 7.62

            First, all Ukrainian presidents were corrupt, and the current one is the most corrupt of all of them.

            Second, according to the Ukrainian census of 2001, among the population of Crimea 24% were Ukrainians and 60% Russians.

          • Gregory S. Armand

            One of two obvious things – if they were part of the census then they are talking of ethnic origin and not current political state; a Russian is not a Ukrainian because Ukraine and Russia are two different countries separated by a border. Second, if they did want to count the number of Russian’s inside Crimea you have to remember Russia has a substantial military base there. Hence, they have a lot of people! Now we had a lot of soldiers in Germany – did that make Germany “American”? There are a lot of Mexican nationals in San Antonio, Texas – does that make it Mexican? If the person is of Russian descent that does not make them “Russian” it makes them Ukrainian of Russian descent. If your family is from Germany but has been in the US and you were born here – it makes you American of German descent unless you choose to become German in which case you are a tourist. Same in Crimea!

          • Sermon 7.62

            You are stupid or something?

            You said the people of Crimea are no “ethnic Russian’s”. I referenced the data from the Ukrainian Census (2001), google it.

            Look at the “National structure by regions” page.

          • Gregory S. Armand

            ah … 17% should make the decisions and to hell with those who don’t like it? The president was voted in on a pro-European platform, something you ignore, and then switched to pro-Russia at the last minute. Interesting how you ignored that. Ukrainians do not “hate” Russians. They don’t even beat up Russian speakers! THAT, funnily enough, is DIRECTLY out of Putin’s propaganda machine. Interesting that you are connected into that information!!

          • Gregory S. Armand

            Perfect!!!!

          • Victor Palatkin

            Russians think: “… if Ukraine will joint NATO then Russian navy base will belong to NATO…” Do you really think Russia will allow it?
            Will we declare a war on Russia for their navy port?
            What about Chinese new navy base on the artificial island? ISIS?
            We even couldn’t protect our navy ship captured by Iran and we had navy ships standing by. Stop dreaming! Concentrate on bringing back our jobs and factories, cut taxes, secure wide open borders.

          • Gregory S. Armand

            Sorry, Sermon 7.62 but you are wrong. First, Russia PAID for their bases in Crimea which by law shows an ownership and control by the country receiving the payment. Second, Ukraine was officially given to Ukraine.

            There was no attempt to push Russia out of Crimea – Ukraine needed the funds generated by Russian’s in Crimea and the rent Russia paid. They wouldn’t have forced Russia out unless Russia did something like invade Ukraine. Oops … guess what they did?

            So, sorry … you are not correct in the least. As far as Ukrainian’s not losing blood for it – look at the death rate of Ukrainians vs. Russian’s during WWII. Both were outrageously high but you might be surprised to see how much “blood” Ukraine has spilled!

          • Sermon 7.62

            Speaking of the Ukrainians “not losing blood” for Crimea I meant that it was conquered by the Russians, in a long series of wars and a long time before Ukraine came into existence.

            Then, speaking of the intention of the people behind the coup to push Russia out of Crimea, I suggest looking at this page: flot2017_com. You can see there in the right corner an animated banner that counts how much time for the Russian fleet is left before it is to be forced out of Crimea.

            I suggest reading “Political status of Crimea”, the article that reflects some important historical nuances, such as the attempt of the regional administration of Crimea to hold a referendum in 1992, banning the Constitution of Crimea and the elected President of Crimea in 1995, and the fact that in 1992 Russia declared 1954 transfer of Crimea as having no legal force, because it was adopted “in violation of the Constitution and legislative process”.

            The thing about Crimea becoming a part of Ukraine is that it was a political trick, and Russia might just leave it all as is as long as its interest, that is, the bases and the fleet, are respected.

          • Gregory S. Armand

            Nah …I prefer BEING here instead.

          • Sermon 7.62

            Being here?

          • Gregory S. Armand

            Just because I am an American doesn’t mean I don’t spend a lot of time in Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. Since the war broke out I have mostly been in Ukraine, though.

          • Sermon 7.62

            Have a good time there.

          • Gregory S. Armand

            You forget that it was far after that blood was shed that the USSR ceded Crimea to Ukraine. If they didn’t want to do that then that was the time NOT to have done it; not taking it back decades later!

            Russia had legally given up the rights to Crimea via their agreement to rent the base from Ukraine. If they felt they had true ownership they wouldn’t have given another country money to use what they thought of as “their” land. They would have taken it much sooner.

            Crimea and the Eastern Ukraine have undergone bizarre exercises in statesmanship to make sure Russia didn’t invade. Since you are a reader you will know Ukraine didn’t want to give up their nuclear weapons for fear of … Russian invasion. You will also know the US, Ukraine and Russia all signed an agreement during Clinton giving promise of protection of Ukraine’s borders if she gave up her nuclear weapons. Ukraine did. We didn’t honor it. Russia didn’t honor it. Crimea was part of Ukraine when the agreement was signed and when it was reaffirmed. Therefore, even if Crimea removed itself from Ukraine it still would not be allowed to become Russian per the agreement.

            As far as a right to annexation of a countries territories – Austria was invaded, voted, annexed just like Crimea. Legal? Not by international law but, frankly, I don’t much care for international law nor the UN. If you want to go back to the constant warfare model of living then you are right and we should just let all powerful countries walk into and take over whatever they want.

            I also noticed you glossed over the Crimean Tatars who are being moved out of Crimea daily. Russia doesn’t consider them to be acceptable inhabitants so off they go. Yep, Crimea has really become a fun place lately – NOT!

            I guess you defend Putin’s Georgia move also? Those soldiers fought alongside our soldiers in the Middle East and the ones I know were damn good to have beside you! Yet we turned our heads to look the other way on that one and what happens? Gee, another country gets invaded!

          • Sermon 7.62

            First of all the USSR ceded Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR, not to the independent state of Ukraine. It was ceded not to be an integral part of the Ukrainian SSR, but as an autonomous region.

            Second, it is not about Russia taking Crimea back but about Crimea going independent first and then joining Russia.

            Also, there was no such thing as “their nuclear weapons”. But there was such thing as their share of the USSR debts which Russia paid for them.

          • Andrei Kersha

            are you retarded (долбоеб) or you serve your master Putin (ватник)? Most people who died defending it since the Crimean war (1853) were ethnic Ukrainians who also were the majority of the locals … also it’s attached to mainland Ukraine from which it gets most water and electricity. This level of lunacy is mind boggling.

            Thanks to annexation of Crimea, Russia became the pariah. That doesn’t bother Putin or his friends meanwhile ordinary Russians are driven further into poverty in a country that has enormous natural resources.

            Putin Huilo!

          • Sermon 7.62
          • supergun

            Funny how politics causes guns to go up and down like a see~saw/

          • Gun Fu Guru

            Your causation is flawed. Banning firearms is tertiary to the action. The reason everything happened is because of the invasion. The mechanism involved is ending business with Russian companies (particularly those in which the oligarchs have stake). As a consequence, Russian firearm imports are banned.

          • supergun

            You said a mouthful, but I don’t know what you said. Some people are good at that, especially politicians like pelosi. Have you every listen to her run her mouth for about 15 minutes, and then you ask yourself, “what the hell is she talking about”? Yes indeed, politics has a way of making gun sales go up and down. Just look at the greatest gun salesman the last 50 years,,,,,obama.

          • Brett baker

            Why can’t you just buy an AR?

          • supergun

            I have 5. They are not shotguns, though.

          • Max Glazer

            In that case it’s time the world banned US firearms for illegal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan (OBL was not in Afghanistan, Iraq had no WMDs), illegal destruction of Libya (there was no revolution there) and now brazenly open support or terrorists in Syria. Also for blatant meddling in affairs of other countries by financing and growing NGOs that openly attempt to sway people to act in ways that destabilise the countries concerned.

            Ooops I forgot: USA has a divine right to turn the countries that conduct independent policies to rubble…

        • NATO did, unfortunately.

        • Rusty Shakleford

          Is it pointless that our tax money went to overthrow democratically elected governments via bloody coups in Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Brazil, Chile, Congo, Iran, Vietnam or payed NGOs like International Renaissance Foundation to do the same in Egypt and Ukraine? Yes, but it is also deeply disturbing.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            Actually, there is a reason…and it isn’t done with “our” tax dollars.

            The Reason:
            There is a reason that “they” don’t follow the Constitution anymore. The reason is that the lynch pin was removed in 1913. Once the control of the monetary system was taken from the hands of the people and those in control could create all they wanted out of thin air with the collusion of the Federal Reserve, none of what we think matters anymore. None of what we do matters anymore.

            They have effectively enslaved the world to their fiat money systems based on nothing that they create out of thin air and are able to use to do whatever they want. We have no say in what they do. They control us because they have stolen the lynch pin to the system that was designed by our founding fathers to work. No, it was not perfect, as mankind is not perfect, but it gave us a very limited government that was taken away from us when the lynch pin was stolen in 1913. You see, Article 1 Section 10 and Article 1 Section 8 ARE what hold the whole apparatus together. Without it, we are nothing but serfs on a plantation that they control with their fiat unlawful, unGodly, theft system of paper money backed by nothing, created out of thin air with no recourse.

            Understand, that when the money had SUBSTANCE of SOME THING, and not just IMAGINATION, one of the recourse’s we the people had was to withhold taxes which could effectively shut the government down if they were engaged in some sort of insanity that no one agreed upon. Today, we could all quit paying them and they would just print up what they needed and thumb their noses at us.

          • John Casey

            Now i am totally depressed, Thanks…..

          • Trust No One

            What’s doubly disturbing is suck at it. At least as a nation. Some special interests probably made a fortune though. Besides, it wasn’t THEIR money or lives that paid for coups.

        • Gregory S. Armand

          After 5 “pointless” wars in 10 years I will tell you that no war is truly “pointless” except for those who die – and I have a long list of friends who have given everything for these “pointless” wars.

          If you fly on a commercial aircraft then this war isn’t pointless – Russia shot down a commercial aircraft flying over the area on a normal route.

          If you like the trade we have with Europe then it isn’t pointless – if the USSR is re-formed do you think we will have trade with all of these countries?

          I do agree that a country needs to take care of herself but I also think a country is like a person – honor is a thing we all must have and for the United States to renege on an agreement to defend Ukraine’s borders is not honorable in the least! TWO Presidents signed the agreement! One President ignored it. THAT is not honor and we are a country of honor!

          • Sermon 7.62

            What do you mean when you say “WE”, man? Your English is so bad that it’s worse than mine. Are you an American?

            You are from that crap website i-army_org, that hires trolls to troll for Ukraine and spread bullcrap, like these lies that Russia shot down a plane 🙂

            It was the fault of Ukraine that let the plane to pass through the combat zone, against the common practice to change the route.

          • Gregory S. Armand

            Sermon – you are intelligent as hell! Well, maybe not. Europe established that that air route was safe. The flight was controlled by EASA and the European Control Agency.

            So you think it is fine to just shoot down aircraft that are flying a known route at a known time? THAT is as scary as you not understanding my use of “we”!

          • Sermon 7.62

            “Air operators around the world last night imposed a no fly-zone over Ukraine as questions grew over why passenger jets were still flying over the war zone three months after pilots were warned to avoid it.”

            “Aviation experts last night said operators continued to fly across the zone because it was the quickest and therefore cheapest route for some flights.”

            “The incident involving MH17 is not the first occasion on which a civilian airliner has been shot down over a war zone.”

            “On July 2, 1988, an Iran Air 655 Airbus was hit by the US Navy ship Vincennes at an altitude of 14,000 feet, causing the deaths of all 290 people on board, after being mistaken for a military aircraft.”

            Pilots Continued Flying Over Ukrainian War Zone Because It Was The Fastest And Cheapest Route

          • Trust No One

            WOW. Talk about a propaganda troll. So you think RUSSIA, or was it the Crimean defense forces DELIBERATELY shot down a civilian passenger jet.
            You seem to have all the inside information. Why did they do it?

        • Rollin L

          That comment does not even make sense in relation to the issue at hand. Putting sanctions on another country does not cost taxpayer dollars. The purpose is to keep American money from flowing into the hands of people who are out of favor, for whatever reason. Without getting into the debate about Crimea and the history between Ukraine and Russia, I will say this. Some people are pushing, pushing and pushing this pro-America, Buy American, Made in USA preference all day long, and are usually the same ones who make statements like the above, about “world police,” “tax dollars” and “interventionist wars.” But just tell the same person he can’t give the Russians money so he can have a Saiga or Kalashnikov, or his Wolf or TulAmmo etc, and all that pro-American patriotism has suddenly been deliberately forgotten in the conversation. Typical.

          • Brett baker

            Damn straight!

          • Trust No One

            The key is “people who are out of favor”.
            Not only does the %%&&#)# tax our income, insists on telling us what we can do with what’s left. For example e are forced to spend it to support abortions, whether we like it or not, and are FORBIDDEN to spend it by buying something from “people” who are out of favor with our overlords.
            At least not slaves who’s lives are totally controlled by our masters.
            We are FREE to do whatever they ALLOW us to do.

        • USAF_PlaneGuy

          That is an incredibly ignorant statement. First of all since when is it using our tax dollars to impose sanctions? We are preventing Russia from making money off of US citizens. Second comma you would want the world to intervene if the United States was invaded by another country

          • Max Glazer

            And who would attempt to invade the USA? Canada or Mexico?

          • USAF_PlaneGuy

            Depends which one is invaded or has a revolution first!

          • Trust No One

            Mexico. They have already taken California and several other states.
            To be fair, you could say they have retaken them.

          • ______\

            Why would we need the rest of the world to intervene? That’s why we have our own military for

      • Maxim Popenker

        Well, then, how about banning Turkish guns for taking over half of the Cyprus, and banning Israeli guns for occupying Golani heights?

        • Gun Fu Guru

          For things that occurred decades ago? (I do feel the need to point out that the US and almost all of western Europe embargoed arms to Turkey after the invasion. That action literally grounded their air force and crippled their military. We lost the use of bases in their country because of our response to their act. The US embargo ended in 1978, was reinstalled in 1992, and ended in 2014.)

          • Maxim Popenker

            but Cyprus is still occupied, so what use did that embargo? And what about Golani heights?

          • Gun Fu Guru

            “but Cyprus is still occupied, so what use did that embargo?”
            I didn’t say it did anything good. I said that action was taken, and that action was crippling.

            “And what about Golani heights?”
            Spoils of war. Syrian intelligence gave the leaders inaccurate reports that Egypt defeated Israel in the Sinai and were pushing to Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. As a result, Syria decided it wanted to attack Israel without provocation to give itself better bargaining power in a post-war Palestine. Israel then counter-attacked Syria routed them. They have keep Golan for three reasons: [1] the high ground gives Syria a strong tactical advantage, [2] Syria fired random artillery barrages from the heights prior to the war which shows it cannot be trusted, [3] Syria declared war without provocation which shows it cannot be trusted. It — along with just about every Muslim-majority country except Egypt and Jordan— hasn’t even acknowledged Israel as a State yet.

            As I said in another post: “any people group would be odd about their security if they were subject to a systematic extermination plot by the Nåzis (which just about every country in continental Europe assisted with) after being the most abused people group in the world.”

        • Amplified Heat

          Well, our alliance with Turkey appears to be ending over Syria, so…
          We at least get something out of our dealings with Israel, unlike the palestinians or most other groups nearby, so they have more benefit of the doubt.

      • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

        Gee, I wonder if ANYTHING the US does is ever considered an act of war, like invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, the Sudan…well crap, the list is endless. Naaa…killing people in other countries that never harmed us isn’t an act of war. The USA is an EXCEPTIONAL country that would never do bad things to other countries and to it’s own citizens. NOT!

        • Brett baker

          The Germans didn’t harm us at the beginning of WW2. Should we have negotiated a peace treaty with them when they declared war on us, but before there was fighting?

      • Gregory S. Armand

        Very accurate for the most part. There isn’t a Russian majority population in Ukraine – there are Ukrainian’s with a Russian background and Russian’s on working permits.

        Imagine we allow Germany to stock a new BMW plant with German workers. They then have a majority in that particular town. Does that make that town part of Germany now? THAT is basically the reasoning of Putin!

        Crimea was more like Austria – take over, have a vote, annex. It would be like Mexico overwhelming the border and occupying border towns, declaring an election and then annexation.

        If Russia would back off on the war then they will make money selling weapons! We can live without Russian manufacturing and if the design is good Serbia or Ukraine may pick it up to make.

        Oh, Russia released a map of what they want in Ukraine – it isn’t the whole country but it is enough that Ukraine cannot survive as a country if they follow through.

        • Gun Fu Guru

          I never said that Russia took over the whole Ukraine. Irridentism only seeks to reacquire previously lost territory and population groups with the larger, host nation.

      • Shootist

        (Most of) Crimea is Russian and has always been Russian. Modern Crimea was added by Stalin to Ukraine to make the grain harvests look better.

        • Gun Fu Guru

          Incorrect for numerous reasons. See other posts.

        • Max Glazer

          Not by Stalin but by Khruschov. And that was AFTER Stalin died.

          • Shootist

            doesn’t change the argument. The Czarist Russia was an empire made up of many parts, the USSR was also an empire largely made up of those parts. That Crimea was administratively part of Ukraine for less than my lifetime is not something I’d want to start a Ground War with Russia over.

          • Max Glazer

            Correct, it doesn’t. I’m just correcting a small thing 😉

            ANd you are 100% on the money. It’s not worth fighting Russia over something like that. But geopolitical considerations and policies of USA practically demand it. And I’m totally against USA making a play for it.

      • Victor Palatkin

        VERP restriction will not hurt Russian economy. The country survived for 1,000 years. It is “TOO BIG TO FALL”.
        About 400 years ago Russia built a navy port in Crimea and they will never give it away to NATO. Do we want to have a war with Russia? China built a navy base in China sea and we can do nothing. ISIS rules for 4 years.
        2.5 million Christians were killed within last 8 years, our deficit was increased for $11.4 Trillion. So thesSmall VERP sanction is a joke comparison to the problems we must solve within the USA.

    • n0truscotsman

      LOL St Ronnie and HW Bush are laughing at your comment. 😉

    • UWOTM8

      You mean RINO….

    • Joshua

      Sanctions are not anti gun, they are anti country. In this case anti Russia…it just happens to also affect imported gun.

    • The Mystic Seer

      You’re a bit delusional if you think the Dem’s are a better bet in your interest as a gun owner.

      • Well, obviously– people like Clinton and Schumer and Feinstein have never been circumspect at all about their seething hatred of armed peasants, and they have demonstrably learned exactly nothing from the drubbing their party took last November. What I got from TDog’s comment was that non-hard-right voters who held their nose and pushed the R button because they honestly expected the Republicans to give two tenths of a damn about strengthening the Second Amendment if they won were fooling themselves.

        • The Mystic Seer

          Oh I get it, I just like to issue friendly reminders as to where we were just a short time ago. The only ones loving $2k Veprs were ‘stealers’.

      • May

        If both sides are anti gun, I’d rather take the one that’s still pro human rights.

        • The Mystic Seer

          And which side is that? The side that wants to give terrorists in Guantanamo constitutional rights and attorneys?

    • Dietrich

      Would you prefer Clinton, Schumer and Pelosi running the show? There are much bigger concerns here rather than you buying a Vepr, unless you think Ukrainian sovereignty is less important than your wish to buy a product. Dozens of AK variants are available, foreign and American made. Our president has established a damn good record of protecting your 2nd amendment rights.

    • TSJones97

      This is not anyone banning guns. It’s not from legislation or any EO by Trump. This was from existing Treasury Department regulations and existing treaty language that punished certain sectors of Russian commerce for breaking the rules. But squawk on and blame the GOP like an idiot who knows nothing about how government works, nor the existing regulations of departments who STAY THERE despite the turn over rate of the Executive and Legislative Branches

  • Rogertc1

    I WOULD CALL THIS STORY TITLE BULL SHIT. “Well not really banned, but United States based businesses are prohibited from doing business with Molot-Oruzhie ” THIS WAS IN IN 2014

    • Stan Darsh

      Does that mean Vepr rifles will still be imported into the US or that they were not really supposed to be allowed in since 2014?

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      They were added to the sanction list as of June 20th of this year pumpkin.

      • Rogertc1

        Obama did it during his run. Look it up.

  • Brett baker

    Century and I.O. loving starts now!

    • De Facto

      Ew. no.

      • Audie Bakerson

        Seriously, at least say PSA.

  • Flounder

    This isn’t political. You are commenting strictly on the availability of a consumer product. That is definitely what you do.

    You are not offering an opinion or an analysis. You stick to just what is happening. Good work.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      That was my aim.

  • Malthrak

    Never forget, GOP house, GOP senate, GOP President, and GOP leaning SC, and we still get more bans.

    Not so much as a budge on firearms except legislation to allow lawmakers (and lawmakers only) to carry in DC.

    Clinton, Obama and Bush import bans can be lifted at whim by Trump with no Democrats or Congress to deal with, and he has chosen not to. The NFA petition that got 266k sigs on Trump’s WH petition page…also no comment and no action by Congress, and the HPA appears to be going nowhere fast in the House.

    Remember this going forward y’all.

    • Don Ward

      There’s a lot of stuff to deal with overturning decades of corruption in DC. Time for you to put on your big boy pants and act like a grown up while understanding that you might just have to have a little bit of patience – along with working a little bit more by contacting your congressmen – to get the ball down the field.
      Sucking your thumb because you didn’t get everything you wanted in the first 150 days of an Administration shows a startling lack of understanding of how American politics works.

      • Malthrak

        I mean, you can make excuses for these people all you want. I prefer to call them out when they deserve it.

        I’ve let my reps and senator know where I stand, I’ve signed the WH petitions, and I watch what legislation comes up and where it goes (or usually, does not).

        Again, there’s bans that can be overturned by Trump at the stroke of a pen, he needs consult nobody for overturning EO bans but himself, he hasnt done so despite nearly 6 months on the job.

        In 150 days with every branch of govt supposedly fresh with electoral momentum and a mandate we’ve gotten…nothing except a new ban. Not even so much as a mention on the NFA petition (which is far beyond the point at which the WH is supposed to merely comment on items exceeding 100k sigs).

        So again, keep making excuses for these people, see where it goes. But at this point, with the greater political climate, if they havent hopped on it already, it’s probably not going to happen.

        If that changes, hurrah, I’ll eat my shorts and you can quote me on that. But given the tempo thus far, and if the last three Republican administrations are anything to go by, I’m not holding my breath.

        • Don Ward

          It’s been – what? – 150 days. And frankly speaking, there have been more important issues on the agenda.

          Keep your powder dry.

          • Malthrak

            If there were stuff in the works in congress and actually moving, I’d be less irritated. If the stuff that can be done at the stroke of a pen with zero opposition in 5 minutes were done (EO bans) or was at least being talked about, I’d be less irritated. If we had even gotten a comment in the promised timeframe on the NFA petition, I’d be less irritated. If we weren’t getting new bans based on an order that can be revoked at will, I’d be less irritated.

            As is, none of these are true, and, given the current political reality, doesn’t appear to be changing any time soon.

            Thus, I am irritated, and you should be too.

      • If you sincerely believe that this administration has even the slightest interest in “overturning decades of corruption in DC”, you should probably put down the pot and step out of your glass house before you start throwing around “startling lack of understanding of how American politics works”.

        • Don Ward

          Yes. Actually, this Administration does seem exactly focused on doing just such a thing. Hence all of the howling and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments from those living inside the Beltway.
          Now whether Trump will be allowed or has the political momentum to do this is another matter.

          • Nergyl

            Expecting a washed-up reality-TV star from New York to end corruption, let alone fight for gun rights, is on par with believing Santa Claus is real and the moon is made of cheese.

            The “howling and gnashing of teeth” is actually cynical laughter. The lobbyists are safe around Trump. Just a matter of kissing his butt enough.

          • Don Ward

            I guess we’ll see. Everyone has their political opinions.

            The only difference is I’ve been paid for mine.

          • Nergyl

            So have I…although admittedly, my sponsor is Burger King.

            Not sure what their endgame is, but at least it gets me free Whoppers.

          • Don Ward

            Hehehe. I can dig it!

    • USMC03Vet

      It’s the treasury department.

      • Malthrak

        An executive agency headed by the Trump administration…

        • USMC03Vet

          Yeah so remove 3 out of the 4 things you listed as being the cause for this.

          • Malthrak

            It was a general statement regarding firearms freedoms as a whole, of which this is a single part, hence why I mentioned the HPA as well…but regardless, nobody seems interested in advancing firearms causs from any party.

  • Chelovek RuBear

    Though the one being bankrupt and sold was a different Molot company, not the one doing exports to outside of Russia…at least that is what my russian sources told me.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      I have been trying like hell to clear that up this morning. When I spoke with an employee of FIME they unofficially confirmed that the company is the same one. We are trying to get more information as fast as possible.

      • Chelovek RuBear

        The address is indeed the same…and the company name. However, the bankrupt is supposedly the factory “ОАО «Вятско-Полянский машиностроительный завод «Молот»”, which is a different entity and has been bankrupt and for sale since 2013…but the end result, the one in sanctions is where we used to get our guns.
        Vepr AKs are already gone from major store sites.
        After reading more, OOO Molot is indeed a separate entity that operates in two of the buildings on territory of the factory, which is a parent organization to the hunting firearm manufacturer.

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          Thanks for the info. As soon as I can obtain more official info I will update the post.

          • Chris22lr

            OAO VPMZ Molot is a company in a financial dire. In 2009 they set up a new firm called OOO Molot-Oruzhie. VPMZ Molot assets were either sold or transfered to OOO Molot (apparently last assets were transfered to OOO Molot in 2014), however VPMZ still exists.

            OOO Molot is the company which actually produces firearms (civilian ones) and exports them. I haven’t seen any proof that they have any military production intact (my opinion is that some technology/production line of RPKs was sold to Izhmash/Kalashnikov Concern – that’s why RPK-16 is KC’s product and features Molot-based RPK receiver with distinctive Izh/KC features like stock folding mechanism). OOO Molot is owned by VPMZ Molot (now only an “empty shell” of a company), which in turn is owned (50.67% of VPMZ shares) by ROSTEC.

            ROSTEC is the company affected by original sanctions, essentialy an industrial part of Russian military. ROSTEC owns Kalashnikov Concern (51% of KC shares), and that’s why importation of KC guns was affected (KC wasn’t named in original documents). Why Molot wasn’t affected? Who knows. Maybe because actual firearm maker is not directly related to ROSTEC. Or maybe the (minor) difference in how many shares of both companies are owned by ROSTEC. Or maybe it was a simple oversight and now somebody is correcting previous mistake.

          • Scott

            Very interesting. It’s very confusing and everybody just throws out the first crap that comes to their mind like it’s written in blood. Thanks for the actual informative post.

  • Some Rabbit

    Good news, plenty of “made in the USA” ARs still available. Why import junk?

  • Joshua Graham

    Russia is defending her interests in Syria and fighting neoliberal-backed weirdos in Ukraine who have introduced gay pride and drag parades to the Western-controlled parts of the country.

    Meanwhile the US is allied with Saudi Arabia and Israel, the former being a huge informal sponsor of the sort of terrorist groups we’ve been dealing with (including ISIS) and the latter just being a Jewish racialist militarist state that we shouldn’t be aligned with for several reasons (just ask Palestinian Christians).

    And now we want to go to war with Iran and call them the largest state sponsors of terror despite Shia terrorists not attacking us in several years, perhaps not ever. Hmm.

    • Anthony Watterman

      no goy we need to bring freedom to ukraine so we can sell them nike products

    • rennsport4.4TV8

      Gay pride? Oh better go shoot down some civilian airplanes.

      • Anthony Watterman

        nobody voted for this gay stuff. Russia is the only one who said “lol no” and now they are the axis of evil? did you ever stop to think there might be a plot to turn the whole world effeminate and gay so they can sell you the newest product delivered to you by the amazon drone paid for with universal governmnet welfare?

        • rennsport4.4TV8

          Hahaha. What?

          • Anthony Watterman

            im not even kidding. the war in ukraine is because the EU wanted to turn ukraine into a late game capitalist welfare state and russia said no.

          • rennsport4.4TV8

            1: What does that have to do with gay stuff?
            2: Russia has no say as to what happens in Ukraine. This isn’t 1980
            3: Russia took it to have more control of the sea.

          • Anthony Watterman

            1. Part of late game capitalism is turning the population into fat hypersexual feminists who wont fight back
            2. Its a country they built from scratch over the course of hundreds of years , its literally theirs , ukraine only exists because the USSR collapsed. Its russia.
            3. And to stop the cancerous spread of the united states of gay europe.

          • rennsport4.4TV8

            Allllrighty then.

          • Malthrak

            The Derp is indeed strong with that one…XD

          • Zack mars

            He has risen above tin foil hats…

            He IS the tin foil

          • Brett baker

            I’d better not buy that FABULOUS pink AR I saw then?

          • May

            Late game capitalism is directly opposed to welfare states.

      • Rusty Shackleford

        Just to play devil’s advocate, there was Iran Air Flight 655.

        • rennsport4.4TV8

          True. I know the US does dumb stuff too. I am not naive haha.

    • int19h

      You guys need to sync your notes or something – a “Russia is awesome, comrades!” comment one page above yours claims that Russia is fighting neo-Nazis in Ukraine. And I haven’t met many neo-Nazis who promote gay pride and drag parades.

      • Iggy

        Fabulous Facists!

  • gendar

    Thanks Obama! Oh… wait…

    • USMC03Vet

      Actually it is. His EO is still in use.

      • Malthrak

        An EO Trump can (and promised to) rescind at will at any time…but hasnt…

        • gendar

          “believe me” lol

  • USMC03Vet

    VEPR had heavy barrels.

    Saudi Arabia needs to start making and selling AK rifles in the United States. Since they have no sanctions they obviously are good guys.

    • Joshua Graham

      Anyone who gives our politicians lots of money are good guys.

      • USMC03Vet

        Yup. John McCain has a foreign donations slush fund just like Killary did and guess was who throwing millions into it? The Saudis….

        • Nergyl

          The Saudis have figured out that ample cash is a good antidote to human rights concerns. They received moral blank checks from every presidential administration, including the current one.

          I doubt it will change any time soon.

          • Sermon 7.62

            Saudis became the kings of Arabia after making a deal with the oligarchs of Britain: to not object the establishment of Israel.

            No one is concerned about the human rights.

          • Nergyl

            True, true. Realpolitik is the name of the game across the globe, unfortunately.

    • Amplified Heat

      Saud appears to have no talent for anything but spending oil money reaped through the efforts of foreign technicians.

    • Brett baker

      I’d prefer Vietnamese. $250 rule-beaters again, plus the profits go to buy anti-chicom, oops I meant anti-ship Harpoon missiles.

    • Bob Atom

      Come on, you should know better. Since the beginning of nation-states/politics, relationships like ours with Saudi Arabia are “normal” and necessary. Without the petrol dollar we would already be broke. It is the ONLY thing keeping the dollar alive. Like it or not, it is necessary for the time being. Why Americans buy Russian goods when we CLEARLY DO NOT NEED THEM is beyond me. Most of the comments I read here are naive and child-like in their reasoning. They invaded the Ukraine. And the people here who do not believe we have a duty to be THE WORLD POLICE are fools and Godless. To whom much is given, much is expected. The chaos that is currently ensuing is because of the US withdrawal from world turmoil. We will not survive if the rest of the free world folds. You are foolish to believe so.

  • JSIII

    What the hell is going on with this country, Why are our supposed pro gun politicians shooting us in the foot and failing to act time and time again in our interests?

    • Edeco

      Because they don’t have to. Their consituency feels highly enfranchized at the moment either way. That in turn is because the constituency lack philosophical spine.

  • Anthony Watterman

    Trump is a joke of a president. Regret every day i voted for him. We need a new nationalist party that isnt afraid to go to war with democrats over guns and any other subject really. A competent GOP would have used the congressional assassination attempt to force democrats to pass CCW reciprocity. Instead they hugged nancy palosi and said “this changes everything no more political fighting!” until 12 hours later when it started again.

    No wall. Air support for al queda in syria taking us to flashpoint conditions with russia. DACA still in place.

    Why even vote. This russia stuff is beyond stupid.

    • Malthrak

      I mean…not sure what you were expecting from an upper crust NY corporate type with a looooooong history of saying one thing and doing another, and who literally —– on a golden throne…

    • Lee Enfield

      Gorsuch on the bench towers over any of your gripes and bitching. If Grandma Lefty on the SCOTUS also departs in time then we’ll most likely get another strong conservative. If that is all Tump does in the + column then we made out like bandits. If he wants to go out more influential then Reagan then all he has to do is build the wall.

    • Don Ward

      Hate to rain on your pity party but the first stages of “The Wall” being built are occurring right now as we type.

      • Malthrak

        The one that they’re merely soliciting bids for demonstration samples for, with no budget, revenue stream, logistical plan, or even a clear concept of exactly where it will lie or how they will acquire vast amounts of private land to build it and its support network on?

        It’s at the “we have no money or appropriations for this and no actual implementation concept” stage, the “it sounds like something we want to investigate” stage.

        Nothing is started beyond the most basic of inquiries on simple fence construction, nothing has been built, and even if there were, there are years and decades of legal battles ahead over property seizures before many hundreds of miles could be fenced off.

        • Don Ward

          Rome wasn’t sacked in a day.

          • Malthrak

            You certainly have an amusing amount of faith in these things happening, all available evidence to the contrary, I’ll give you that.

  • Klaus Von Schmitto

    Buy a Yugo parts kit. Build it. Better gun. Better looking. Maybe less expensive. Pride of building/owning.

    • GunMechanic

      As someone who’s actually built just about every AK parts kit from every country out there, I can’t stop laughing.

      Yeah build up that shot-out yugo parts kit with a sewer pipe barrel, soft, galling steel and non-concentric chamber. Go right ahead.

      The VEPRs are the best production AKs…period.

      • Klaus Von Schmitto

        What sewer pipe barrel? I buy my barrels from Green Mountain. It’s a hell of a lot more accurate than what you can buy off the shelf. I seriously doubt you’ve ever built a real rifle. So, stop laughing.

      • Klaus Von Schmitto
      • Audie Bakerson

        Yugo parts are but isn’t barrel always chosen as a 922(r) part?

      • Audie Bakerson

        Yugo parts are awful quality, but isn’t mentioning the barrel a little pointless? Don’t all parts builds use the barrel as a 922(r) part?

      • Amplified Heat

        You aren’t supposed to weld the cut barrel back together; that may explain your problems

        • Klaus Von Schmitto

          Now I can’t stop laughing.

  • Edeco

    The more things change, the more they stay the same. -Snake Plissken

  • Joshua

    I just want to point out no guns were banned. Russia had sanctions placed on it due to issues in the middle East, it’s that simple.

    • Sermon 7.62

      The sanctions are applied in order to limit Russia’s capabilities and influence and to bring its economics down.

  • burningwar

    So in which alternate universe is it where people were actually silly enough to believe a protectionist President wants to lift import bans?

    • Malthrak

      The ones who were dumb enough to believe his promises about rescinding EO’s of Obama…

      • .45

        I’m not sure what surprises me more: The people who are only now starting to figure out Trump isn’t the Second Coming, or the people that will continue to defend and make excuses for him no matter what…

        I mean seriously, as far back as my short memory goes, from Clinton, Bush, Obama, and now Trump… Since when have they been all that wonderful for the country or successful at fulfilling their promises?

        I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but wake up people. The Government is the large scale equivalent of that homeless guy on the corner who says he just needs a little money to get back on his feet and he’ll pay you back. It ain’t happening, it hasn’t happened, but no matter how many of these guys you come across, you still believe the next one and give him money? Really?

        • Nergyl

          The general mood of ostensibly pro-gun politicians in Washington is “welp, we won, time to do nothing.”

          As it was before, gun owners are going to have to fight hard if they want any substantial victories.

          • Amplified Heat

            Not just pols, an awful lot of gun owners are perfectly satisfied with “Not Hillary” and make excuses for lack of action and import bans.

        • Don Ward

          Hate to break it to you but this has been a great 150 days of moving the Conservative ball forward and down the field. Sorry that you don’t have the maturity to understand basic politics and the fact that it takes time to do all of this. Heck, it’s only been just over a week since Trump has had his full Cabinet picked.
          Less pouting, ok?

          • .45

            OK, I’m immature enough to look at history and cynical enough to recognize patterns. Guilty as charged.

          • Amplified Heat

            So when? I heard the same refrain after the first week, month, hundred days…all for stuff he can clearly do in an instant (rescind import bans), and even promised while running to do his first day.

      • Don Ward

        There have already been dozens of Obama era EOs that have been rescinded. Grow up.

        • Malthrak

          None of the gun ones, and they’re just as easy and probably more meaningful, my point stands 😉

          • Zack mars

            None of the gun ones?

            Like the nat’l park hunting lead ban? The social security gun restrictions?

            Educate yourself.

          • Malthrak

            If you’re gonna want to talk education…neither of those were Executive Orders, rather rules put forward and enacted by federal executive agencies, not the same thing.

            So…the point still stands, you might want to educate yourself next time.

          • Zack mars

            No, your point doesn’t stand.

            You are wrong, period, Trump DID in fact get rid of a few gun control EO’s left by Obama.

            Another fact for you to ponder. Those 2 things make Trump the most pro 2nd President since Reagan.

          • Malthrak

            You mean the same Reagan who signed off on the Hughes amendment, signed off on the death of open carry in California with the Mulford act, supported the 1994 AWB and the Brady Bill, and paved the way for Bush I and his ’89 import ban?

            Be still my beating heart…what can we expect from the upper crust elite NYC wall street mogul if he’s the most pro2A pres since Reagan?

          • Zack mars

            It’s over man, hillary lost.

            You have a point about regan, so how about this, Trump is the most pro gun President we’ve had in a very long time. Sorry he isn’t moving heaven and earth for you sensitive souls, but the fact (that you have yet to address) is that Trump has done more for the 2a than anyone else in his position has in a long time.

            Has he done a lot? No, but a win is a win, no matter how small, or how long it takes.

            Now take that stick out of your a$$

          • Malthrak

            I really dont care about Hillary, I didnt vote for her, wasnt unhappy to see her lose. But if the world you live in is dominated by the bipolar “Hillar vs NotHillary” mindset, I’m not sure what to say.

            The idea that Trump is any better however, is laughable, and manifest by his…bizzare actions thus far. In less than 6 months with a GOP house and GOP senate and a Justice Dept he controls, he’s managed to get himself embroiled in a big pile of awkward investigations (regardless of their validity) as he undercuts and contradicts his messengers with 4am bathroom tweets.

            Dude can’t even put forward names to fill all the offices he controls, basic power 101 stuff of putting your people into positions of power, the D’s dont even have to oppose or obstruct because he’s not actually sending them people to oppose, while a GOP dominated congress does its best to out short-bus the kids they’re made for, and cant even get core agenda stuff through their own caucus.

            Trump cant even get someone to send out a one line response to the “repeal the NFA” petition on the White House page with 266k signatures that they’re supposed to merely respond to within 60 days of hitting 100k sigs (we’re now at 4 months+).

            Now, if you wanna pretend Trump is the great 2A messiah and play cheerleader for its own sake, feel free, but im going to call out BS as I see it rather than cowtow to whoever has an R next to their name just for its own sake. I’m certainly not impressed by yet another ban by an agency Trump controls that’s tied to an EO Trump can revoke at will at the stroke of a pen.

            If we see real progress, repeal of infringing import bans and movement on the HPA and NFA, great, I’ll eat crow, you can quote me on that. But there’s been zero meaningful movement on these items, and if they dont start soon they’re gonna get into the next election season and theyll die there. Until we see movement, lets not pretend that any of these people are serious about 2A stuff or that these people aren’t playing their own special brand of Looney Tunes.

    • int19h

      The ironic part is that Trump explicitly ran on a protectionist platform. It was literally the only consistent part of his campaign rhetoric! Other things came and went, or changed as time went by; but “we’ll make it in America, with American labor and American materials” was always there prominently.

      Much as I don’t like Trump, this is one case where he is delivering exactly what he promised to his voters. If you actually voted for him, you voted for this.

      • .45

        Thou hast a point.

      • Sermon 7.62

        So what’s wrong with that? The Russians can build a plant and then make it in America, with American labor and American materials 🙂

        • int19h

          Sure, no problem. If Russia wants to build genuine Russian AKs in US and pay taxes here, all the better.

          • Sermon 7.62

            But it’s not going to happen

          • int19h

            Who knows? I actually wonder what percentage of sale does the US market correspond to for Kalashnikov. It might be lucrative enough to bother setting up a bunch of proxies.

          • Sermon 7.62

            For sure it’s lucrative, and that’s why it’s not going to happen.

  • Gregory Peter Dupont

    Crap…. I freaking hate this…I was actively trying to find a VEPR AK rifle on a private sale in NH.

  • Blake

    Hey folks, please repeat after me:

    “Firearms not Politics”

    Discussing the sanctions themselves is all well & good.
    But can we please refrain from turning this board into an American political forum like virtually every other social media platform I use has become (& is now almost useless for anything else as a result)?

    Thanks a bunch 🙂

  • ReadyOrNot

    I have a custom 5.56 VEPR, great gun, but heavy as hell compared to their Kalashnikov cousins!

  • int19h

    If Trump is serious about rebuilding the US manufacturing industry, the most logical step would be to ban importation of any and all firearms.

    I mean, think about it. Gun manufacturing is one of the few things that are still going steady, so it’s much easier to kickstart it. There’s crazy demand for all the fancy foreign guns, and there are already plenty of small businesses cranking out guns in this country. Right now they’re mostly cranking out ARs, but if they could sell a US-made AK for $2K, because the demand outpaces the supply that much? You can bet they’d diversify in no time. So:

    1. Growth and expansion of American businesses, many of them small.
    2. More well-paid American blue collar jobs.
    3. More factories and workshops, and trained workers to run them, for future “make it in USA” expansion on other manufacturing industries.

    It’s a win-win-win, right?

    [ducks]

  • Hossi Blumengaarten

    remember the ban in the late 80s, it was done by REPUBLICANS!!! Bush Senior to be exact. don’t trust anyone with your rights

  • some other joe

    Please forgive my ignorance here, but how was VEPR/Molot not banned by the previous Russia ban in response to actions in the Ukraine.

  • 7n6

    The Bulgarian guns from FIME are a still the best deal in modern Kalashnikovs. If you wanted a Vepr, you had years to get one.

  • darrenlobo

    Patriots, be sure to pledge your allegiance to the govt denying you weapons! Thank those officers for their “service” when they come for your guns.

  • Rogue

    Wow. One of the few good things the Trump Admin has done. Putin is no better than Stalin. We need not help support them in any form. Anyone saying anything negative about Putin in Russia ends up dead or in prison. Sermon 7.62 sounds like a Russian Putin fan. Putin is the opposite of Democracy, a corrupt dictator is about the best you can say about him.

  • Jones2112

    Banned by default…

    So according to the article if K Concern hadn’t bought them they’d still be history because Molot went bankrupt so either way they would no longer be imported…

  • uisconfruzed

    “Before you get too angry and start screaming ‘THIS IS POLITICS’”
    EVERYTHING this website talks about is greatly affected by politics.
    Did you notice that the gun market has tanked now that a Marxist is out of office and the current regime believes folk should be able to defend their home & family?

  • Leo

    Pretty stupid, Molot pretty much cevilian arms company. Something more is behind this action, someone here in US would like us to buy boring AR15 instead of cool Vepr

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      Ivan Chesnikov is behind it.

  • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

    Yea, let’s sanction a COMPANY that most likely has nothing to do with what is going on anymore then the average American has something to do with the psycho controlling Washington that build air craft carriers and send the military to far away distant lands to kill people that have never had anything to do with attacking the US or any of the citizens. Government is the disease masquerading as the cure. Got it yet?

  • supergun

    I thought I wanted one of those Vepr shotguns. Especially one of the folding stocks. But at $1,200 I decided that I could get some nice pistols and be happy with my Mossberg autoloader Black Water 9 shot. Then,,,then,,,,then,,,I read this article and I am thinking I want a Vepr again. Naw, I think it is the politics that is talking.

  • TacSKS

    I’m considering getting one of these as an investment. Am I nuts? So you think they’ll be worth more in 2-3 years?

  • Gregory S. Armand

    To those who hammered Gun Fu Guru –
    The United States had an agreement with Russia and Ukraine. When the USSR fell three countries had massive nuclear weapons stockpiles – Ukraine was one of them. Ukraine wanted to give them up but had a fear of a Russian invasion (this was 1990’s!) so they refused. We negotiated with them and under Clinton they agreed to give up their nuclear stockpiles and the United States and Russia agreed to defend her borders against any incursion by any country.

    This was reaffirmed under Obama.

    Russia has not only taken Crimea but they have also invaded Ukraine and is currently fighting a war inside of Ukraine. Russia says the agreement “only means we cannot attack Ukraine with nuclear weapons”. This is NOT how the agreement reads nor could it be interpreted this way even with the most drastic twisting!

    What is it to you, TDog, _____\ and the rest? One, they shot down a civilian aircraft that happened to be transitioning (flying) through Ukraine from Europe to another destination. Then they refused to allow investigators to look at the wreckage. When investigators finally were allowed in they were harassed and not given full access to everything. IF the aircraft had not been shot down this lack of investigation would mean we have aircraft flying around that are unsafe and we do not know because we weren’t allowed access. However, it was obvious it WAS a missile that brought it down so the worry is “did Russia indiscriminately shoot down a civilian aircraft” which is problematic for obvious reasons or “did Russia hand out missile systems that can bring down commercial aircraft at 36,000 plus feet and who has them” which is even more problematic!!!!

    We also won’t mention that we HAD an agreement and the United States looks a bit like a fair weather friend when we ignore our agreements after we get what we want. Not the way I would like my country to be known internationally!

    These sanctions are NOT permanent! If you want them to end quicker there are things you can do to help remove Russian troops from Ukraine soil – the most obvious being to tell your Senators and Congressmen that you want our agreement with Ukraine to be valid instead of our former president who ignored it!

    If you want to do “less” you can go onto the GOFUNDME page and Help Ukraine Help Herself – they are collecting for non-combat aid (STOMP kits and such). I know 100% go to the equipment (yep, zero to bribes and such!) and the equipment goes directly into the hands of the military medics. My Facebook page should have a plus for that page, I think.

    Once Russia is out … the weapons will start flowing in again, Russia will make money, we get their weapons and everybody can be happy. And Ukraine will not be losing the number of people they are every day! Win – Win!

  • myfordtruck

    part of this is because of Russia has been harassing the USA ships and aircraft and flying to close to our waters and working against us

  • Boss

    Tfb: “We don’t deal with politics, or get political in our articals”
    Comments: “Hold my beer”

  • Gregory S. Armand

    This US had an agreement with Russia and Ukraine to protect Ukraine’s borders. Russia says publically the agreement only meant for nuclear warfare against Ukraine so they are allowed to have troops inside their border.

    Crimea was annexed after a vote that was questionable since Russia was flying in massive numbers of people to vote as well as allowing their military – but not allowing the Ukrainian military to vote. In other words – they rigged the election and took over a section of a country in much the same way as Hitler did in Austria! You cannot claim Putin isn’t smart and knows his history!

    Do we want a stable world in the 21st century or not? If we say we don’t care then we will lose much of our current lifestyle as the world quickly falls to countries who don’t have our belief system. This isn’t the first country Russia has decided to take land from – Georgia and others were before her! Do we approach the 21st Century like Obama did and not follow our agreements with other countries? Fair weather friends!

    I am not a Russophobe – I have traveled the country and spent a lot of time in the smaller areas of the country. The people are great. This “ban” is to get the people to say “enough”.

  • Gregory S. Armand

    While we are on the Russian subject – for those of you who do want to help Ukraine there is a GoFundMe page called “Help Ukraine Help Herself”. It is mainly to help the people get back on their feet (many in country areas still use outdoor plumbing) but the group is now collecting for STOMP kits and other medical needs. 100% goes into the kits and getting them into the hands of soldiers to save lives! The US is helping with training but medical kits are still hard to get in country.

  • disqus_f62emCdwDh

    What happened to, “Firearms, not politics,” in the majority of the comments below?

    Moderators?

  • jcitizen

    No loss – no 20 rd magazine available for the 7.62x54r – so no loss as far as I’m concerned. – I’m not worried about banning foreign arms, because the Constitution doesn’t cover foreign countries. Banning foreign arms has encourage many of them to move to the US and build here – how bad is that? There is a whole list of them now in the US doing manufacturing. I’d say it is good for US employment, and the 2nd Amendment hasn’t been hurt one twit – now let the slings and arrows of flame descend upon me!

    • Brett baker

      I say Hell yeah!

  • USAF_PlaneGuy

    For those of you who are complaining saying that this is not really an AK, you don’t understand the big picture period they didn’t ban this because it was a Kalashnikov, they banned it because it is made in Russia and the United States has taken sanctions on Russia. It sucks but that’s the way it is. I do think it is somewhat of a excuse to do a back door ban

  • Gregory S. Armand

    Look at your sources! Wiki and NPR! Very good! The USSR moved people around the USSR constantly and continually for the needs of the state. People were moved into and out of Ukraine. BUT that wasn’t even my point – if you just relax and read it instead of having an agenda! Quoting NPR and Wiki? There are many very good books and writings on this subject that are not only enlightening but also very interesting. You could also talk to school children in Ukraine though, of course, Russia is taught that Ukraine is made up of ethnic Russians and therefore merely a satellite state to Russia itself – giving Russia the ability to starve it, comment genocide or any other number of the things they did to Ukraine.

    You can say “ethnic Russian’s” are living in Crimea or Ukraine but I see Ukrainian’s living in Ukraine who some are of mixed Russian/Ukraine “blood”. It would be like saying ethnic South Dakotans are living in North Dakota. Yeah – I am sure you could convolute information to prove that but if they are living in North Dakota they are normally consider North Dakotans!

    Bad point but point being the USSR mixed many of these groups. In Saratov most of the people I met had family that came from … drum roll … Ukraine! They were shipped in to work and married locally – are they “ethnic Russian’s” or “ethnic Ukrainian”? Russia would say the former; Ukraine the latter.

    Crimea DID and CONTINUE to has a large group of what I would consider ethnic Russian’s. They serve the Russian military and are stationed there! They were allowed there BY Ukraine. They were NOT supposed to have a say in the government regardless of how Russia would like to portray them as “living there” which is technically true but very disingenuous.

    Nobody seems to remember the original group of those who are truly ethnic to the Crimea – namely the Crimean Tatars! The same group currently being jailed and moved out of the area – shipped into … drum roll … Russia!

    The subject, however, was about these sanctions being merely political ploys. My point stands that the US, Russia and Ukraine had an agreement of which Ukraine followed and gave up her weapons while Russia used it as a springboard to attack and the US under Obama yawned.

    I will give up buying an AK type weapon for a year to stop the slaughter in Ukraine as well as Russia, a country I really enjoyed and people I liked a lot and respected, from moving further west. Trust No One – you can fane it won’t happen but Russia already has openly showed a map of Europe they consider to be “theirs” and have said they will have back. Hmmm. Maybe ignore them and hope they go away like we did in the 1930’s before we lost so much blood? Or maybe take them for their word?

    Nope, I will wait and buy American in the meantime.

  • Gregory S. Armand

    I said I was IN the square – not participating. I am not able to participate in other countries revolutions and, by the way, the first shots were not fired by the protesters … nor the second shots … nor ANY shots because the snipers belonged to the president of the Ukraine who ordered they fire on unarmed individuals! Again, read what I wrote as I do not say I participated in it; I was there but that is all!

    You also are very selective in the history you write about. The ethnic Ukrainian’s did not like Russia getting involved in their elections either. BUT facts are facts and the people inside of Ukraine’s borders living there are Ukrainians or visitors – only a Russian troll would try to push that they are “poor, sad Russian’s who never wanted to be part of Ukraine”. Great, have them sell out and MOVE to Russia! Simple solution! Ukraine is Ukraine and Russia is Russia – seems like common sense to me!

    • Trust No One

      Interesting. So what were you doing there? As for participating, a mob scene is designed to give the appearance of being representative of the whole population, so just being there gave aid and comfort to the enemies of the Democratically Elected Government.
      Again with the spin. The term I used is ETHNIC RUSSIANS. In most cases people who had no choice in the matter because Stalin’s no 2 deprived them (or their parents) of their Russian Citizenship make them Ukrainian.
      And you KNOW the snipers were under orders from the President.
      That answers the first question. The only you would KNOW that is if you were one of them. No offense, and I respect a cold blooded killer mercenary, but didn’t it bother you killing more police who, just like you, were under the command of the Present?
      Or perhaps you are just spouting what you want to be true. As one who has been trained to be immoral, logic dictates that the side with the most to gain is responsible. It is called MOTIVE. At the time the protesters must have been getting a bit tired and cold. The killing was JUST what they needed to rejuvenate them.
      This would also explain why the snipers killed people on both sides. The object was to foment a violent revolution. Mission Accomplished.
      As for your simple solution — so you admit it is all about MONEY.
      Your solution was for people who’s ancestors had lived in the Crimea to just walk away to escape being under the control a revolutionary government, leaving their property for people like you to just appropriate.
      Their solution was to take their property, both PERSONAL and REAL (in law Land is Real Estate) with them.

  • Victor Palatkin

    They should concentrate on bringing back our jobs and 71,000 factories, not smal BS like that. Russia will not get bankrupt because of VERP. When we boycotted Cuba for 50 years our NATO allies were trading with Castro, send their tourists to Cuba and laugh at US.
    Create jobs, cut taxes, renegotiate all anti-USA Trade Agreements, charge parasitical Europe-Saudis-Japan-So. Korea for our military protection then play small “VERP “games with HUGE Russian economy.

  • Steve

    I bought mine a few months ago. Awesome rifle.