“Docs Versus Glocks” Law Resolved – Florida Fails to Appeal – Law Partially Upheld

Known colloquially as “Docs versus Glocks”, a 2011 law that limited care provider’s to ask about and act on firearms owned by patients, was ultimately resolved earlier this month. After the full En banc hearing of the 11th Circuit which struck down large sections the law, the state of Florida did not appeal the decision by the deadline. When asked by local press, no reason was given on why the state decided not to appeal.

The court found that various provisions of the law were unconstitutional including restrictions on inquiries by care providers, record-keeping, and anti-harassment provisions. Other portions were upheld including the law that bans doctors from discriminating against patients who own firearms.

The law was originally passed in 2011 as the “Firearm’s Owners Privacy Act.” Creation and passage was in response to a mother who’s pediatrician asked her to find another care provider after the mother refused to answer questions about firearms in the home. The law was supported by the National Rifle Association.

The plaintiffs argued that the law infringed on their First Amendment rights to free speech. The ACLU of Florida agreed and supported the case and hailed the decisions from the circuit court and the states’ decision not to appeal the ruling.

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Nathan S

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


  • Bierstadt54

    I don’t know the details, but it seems like a reasonable outcome, as long as it still protects gun owners from harassment and discrimination.

    • Gun Fu Guru

      I don’t think you understand what happened.
      Discrimination? Not allowed.
      Harassment and ability to ask about guns? Allowed.

  • John

    As a physician and gun owner, i believe questions about firearms are appropriate as it provides a teaching moment for firearm safety and prevention, but the patient always has the autonomy to go against medical advice.

    Furthermore, the physician sounds like she asked in a judgmental way, and then fired her patient which is medically unethical. As physicians we need to provide the best possible care for our patients that is possible and firing her for refusing to answer screening questions it’s 1) ridiculous and biased 2) creating risks for the child

    • st381183

      As a patient and gun owner it’s none of your damn business and inappropriate to ask if I own a gun and I don’t need your teaching moment. Do you ask if I own a car? More children are injured in car accidents than by guns. Do you ask if I use gas to cook because carbon monoxide poisoning is possible. Do you ask if patients have gold bullion in their homes? It’s my property, my responsibility to exercise caution and training and NONE of my doctor’s or my kid’s pediatrician damn business. Doctor’s need to learn that they are not the omnipotent god of what’s right or wrong. If someone presents with a gunshot wound then would be the appropriate time to ask if the caliber is known and call the police to investigate any further. I’m sick of the AMA thinking it needs to intrude on everyone’s private business.

      • Gun Fu Guru

        Nothing precludes you from telling your doctor you would prefer he/she not ask about firearms. Why are you grilling John for his opinion in the opinion section of a blog.

        • st381183

          Because doctors feel like they know better than I do regarding my choices and denying to answer that question is the same as saying yes. Plus his opinion is flat wrong and I will debate him so the casual reader knows that he is wrong or at least make an informed choice.

          • iksnilol

            *sigh* people like you are the reason we have to tell people that they can leave after getting a shot at their own risk (you have to wait 20 minutes or so).

          • st381183

            *sigh* Not at all, that’s a medical safe guard and I will comply, for the most part, that’s the doctor’s job. *Sigh*

            *Sigh* People like you are why people like me encourage others to *Sigh* critically think for themselves, rather than *sigh* go along to get along like you.

            Wow, typing *Sigh* really made me feel pretentious and superior, no wonder you use it iksinol.

          • iksnilol

            Nah, I just know that one day I’ll get killed by a bastard like you. Then they’ll type an article where you’re quoted saying “They tell you to not drink and drive, but the message never really goes through”.

            I remember reading that headline word for word once. A guy got drunk, killed somebody with the car, and wound up crippled himself.

            Also, what does “go along to get along like you” even mean?

          • st381183

            1) I don’t drink
            2) I use seatbelts
            3) I’m not a bastard, but thanks for thinking of me
            4) Prevention of health related conditions is the physicians job, it is not their job to educate about seatbelts, guns, helmets, etc that they have no expertise
            5) You are a lemming if the only way you are able to avoid harmful activity is if you are told not to do it by others
            6) Life is risk increased by interaction in society and mitigated by self control, no matter what anyone tells you
            7) Quotes in a sentence are preceded with a comma, and punctuation is enclosed in the quotation marks.

      • John

        Actually yes. It is required to ask if you own a car and use seatbelts. Also if fire detectors are used.
        We are also obligated to ask if you use condoms during sex.

        Safety and prevention measures work and there’s overwhelming data for it.

        Otherwise why teach any gun safety? None of anyone’s damn business. Just have the range safety officer respond when someone gets hurt

        • st381183

          Obligated to ask is not the same as required to ask. It just is none of your business unless the patient is asking how to avoid pregnancy or presents with an STD.

          I’m not saying don’t teach gun safety, I’m saying I’m not getting gun safety taught to me by my doctor.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            , I’m saying I’m not getting gun safety taught to me by my doctor.

            Who likely has no business instructing anyhow.

          • Arnold Ziffel

            No business and no requirements that a doc has expertise in gun safety.

          • iksnilol

            Uhm, obligated and required to ask is the same.

          • st381183

            Obligation is a self induced task that you can choose not to complete without much official ramifications.

            Such as I felt obligated to respond to your comment, but I certainly wasn’t required to.

        • st381183

          You guys must be doctors with a serious god complex. Would you guys be so eager beaver to answer these questions if it was a government official standing at your door asking these questions with a clip board and a smug smile as he educates you about the dangers of guns and fire safety? Are doctors eager to answer all the nonsensical question of federal regulators or insurance companies?
          If my kid isn’t presenting with a gun shot wound then having a firearm in my home or on my person is NONE of the pediatricians business, period! I will give not an inch on this. If my car doesn’t have seat belts and my child is injured because of that, it is the job of the police to prosecute me, not the physician. I trust my physician with my health care and will present symptoms to him, I do not trust my physician to lecture me about anything unrelated to my condition or injury.
          Deviant Oliam in my must uppity ignorant voice, screw you! What proof do you have that a doctors knowledge of firearms in the household and his ensuing lecture reduce firearm injuries? That sounds truly Bloombergish in conjecture. If that is the case I would demand all residents of Chicago go to their doctor immediately so gun crime would be reduced in that city under siege. I’m not uncomfortable discussing guns, just not willing to get the self righteous I’m a doctor and you’re not lecture.
          John, you’re right, a doctor can ask anything. We just had a doctor arrested for asking his mentally challenged patients for blo—–. Is it still his right to ask? I don’t need to be lectured to by left leaning doctors who want to judge me about firearms. I don’t need my medical records recording that I have firearms, because it just ain’t doctors who see that information. Doctors are not perfect and usually know nothing but talking points and judgment towards their patients.
          John, your’re right again, when I’m at the range I don’t ask the range officer for medical advise or treatment, and when I’m at my doctors office, I don’t ask him for sight picture advice or Ammo.

          • iksnilol

            I’d rather get your ignorant behind to use a seat belt before your child smashes through the windshield and cripples somebody else for life. Because that stuff is expensive.

            So yeah, prevention is hella better than any cure for that.

          • st381183

            Bless your heart! That’s what you took out of the conversation and debate points? Your kinda……special huh

          • iksnilol


          • House MD

            Good god your grammar really is atrocious!

        • jonp

          Your full of crap. Its not required to ask if someone has smoke detectors or uses a seatbelt. What a troll

        • Russ Kell

          Given not a single doctor I have had in 50+ years has asked a single one of those questions, I’ll take BS for $1000, Alex.

          Would you mind if I came into your office to practice medicine? I’m an NRA RSO and know first aid. What more do I need to know to counsel your patients on medicine?

          I’ll take my FA safety from those that know what they are talking about. Not a doctor who attended a seminar.

        • Arnold Ziffel

          Obligated to ask by who?

        • valorius

          No doctor has ever asked me if i own a car.

      • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

        So… Uh…

        Do you have gold bullion in your home? Do you store it safely?

        Completely unrelated, but do you own any dogs and happen to work a full-time job?

    • jonathan speegle

      Got to break it to you, the patient wasn’t “fired”. They were discharged from the doctors’ census. You need to understand the people you treat are clients. Not your employees. Not your charges. Clients. They can drop you just like you can drop them. And a good physician will recognize the difference between objective documentation and subjective when those records carry over. In other words you are not a god, just a human making money off of other humans like the rest of us.

    • jonp

      I wasnt aware it was a doctors job to lecture anyone on gun safety. I thought a doctors job was to stick to medical matters.
      Obvious troll and not a doctor. Doctors dont “fire” patients, are not required to ask any of that stuff and are as unqualified about teaching gun safety as Joe Biden

    • focusonmed

      Since when does owning a gun have anything to do with medicine, mind and body? It’s not a teaching moment for you. It’s not your right or your place to tell me about wearing a motorcycle helmet, wearing my seatbelt while I drive, not to drink and ride a bike, to tie my shoe laces, not to run with scissors, and to avoid taking a shower while drying my hair with a hair dryer. Granted, these are not good ideas, but they are not medical, either. Just focus on medicine. That seems to be a big enough challenge for most doctors. Maybe I should tell you how to do your job. I’ve had to correct an ‘expert’ RA doctor in the past regarding an allergic reaction to a common RA drug, because the ‘expert’ kept stating it was an allergic reaction to food. Wrong! Even I knew that. It took me 5 minutes on the internet to prove my point to him by showing the exact same list of reactions others had to the same medicine. Literally 5 minutes. Dam doctors think you know more than others. Fool. Stay within your abilities, listen with your ears, and let the rest of us manage our lives.

      • iksnilol

        Actually it is. Not wearing a helmet/seatbelt, drinking and driving do become our issues when you cripple someone for life.

        So yeah, weak argument there.

        NOTE: Not a doctor myself.

        • pickandchoose

          So the medical community can pick and choose issues. Easy to pass some laws about helmet and seat belts. BTW, states have had helmet laws repealed. Something about individal rights being infringed. So, take that liberal, crap logic and apply it to gangs. What have you done to clear the streets of gang members, lately? They contribute to a high number of emergency room victims. Maybe you can ask patients if they are gang bangers. Then tell them how bad that is for them, their family and the community. I’m sure they will listen. Maybe you can bring back Prohibition. That worked well. Do me a favor. Take your self riteous, arrogant energy and point it at the doctors who are over perscribing opioids. We have an epidemic in this country and it’s being fed by unethical doctors. It might be easier and more effective for the community to clean up the ethics issue concerning doctors, ripping off Medicare with unneeded proceedures (documented to be in the 100’s of millions, anually) and causing good, honest working people to have to setup long-term payment plans with hospitals simply for being sick. Medicine isn’t cheap. Never has been. But it doesn’t need to be this ridiculous. Want to discuss the cost of an EpiPen? That affects children. When are you going to start thinking about the children?!?!

          • st381183

            Well said sir!

          • iksnilol

            Repealing helmet and seat belt laws is retarded. Then again, that’s the US for you.

            More people get killed/injured from DUIs and lack of seat belts/helmets than do from getting killed from gangs. Besides, if you gonna act hard, then you gotta expect getting shot. That’s the gang life for you. Only wannabes like you complain about criminals lighting each others up.

            And people are already combating gangs, for instance via community centers and community leaders. So you’re asking for something that is already there. Just like how anti-gun people ask for gun laws that are already there.

            Opioid overprescription is your own darn fault. You sue docs, and you demand pills (I’m not aware of any other country where you can demand X brand med be prescribed to you just because you want it). I’d give you a bottle of oxy and hope you OD just to not see you again in that situation.

            Price of medicine in Norway is basically free, that’s where I work. You just pay for material costs, and anything that exceeds the equivalent of 250 USD is covered by your taxes. So yeah, those payment plans? Again, your fault. You want your taxes to go to bombing and killing people, to subsidize big corporations with tax cuts instead of taking care of your people. Then you actually got the gall, to complain about having to pay for everything that your taxes are supposed to cover. Get bent.

            Frankly, people like you are worse than the communists we fought for so long. At least they’re consistent even if they follow a flawed ideology.

          • st381183

            Thank Gawd we have such smug superior people like you to tell us how great life in Norway is. Please feel free to stay there and enjoy the state telling you how to live.

            PS If the state pays for everything why would you even follow a doctor’s advice.

          • Norm Glitz

            “Free” = paid by everyone through taxes.

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, you got a problem with that? You don’t pay taxes?

            I’d rather my taxes go to my tangible benefit over lining somebodies pockets.

          • House MD

            So, them be rednecks. Bad grammar goes without saying. What’s your excuse?

        • st381183

          That’s what the criminal justice and civil litigation systems is for. I don’t do those things so I don’t need the lecture. If it was so effective why do we still have such high rates of DWI, Seatbelt non-compliance, etc.

          • House MD

            What’s a DWI?

        • Scott825

          iksnilol wrote: “NOTE: Not a doctor myself.”


          No kidding, LOL!


      • House MD

        BREAKING NEWS: Hospitals now offering major savings after replacing doctors with parents who “did their research”

    • ePoch 270

      Why don’t they just provide a pamphlet to EVERYONE that says here are ways to ensure gun safety in the home. That way EVERYONE has been taught what to do and not do and no one is excluded or included, harassed or tracked.

    • Arnold Ziffel

      Who the hell are you to lecture your patient on gun safety? Phuque you, azzhole. Go try to walk on water and see what happens. Such arrogance!

    • Tony Floyd

      So I can assume you are a certified firearms safety instructor. If you are giving firearms advice how does that equate to medical advice? If I’m not mistaken a lot more people are killed by drunk/drugged drivers, do you also give drug and alcohol safety training?

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    I get the principles behind the law and the lawsuit, and I really do understand both sides arguments when you look past the agendas represented.

    But here’s what I don’t understand: Why is it so hard for people to just shut up and/or lie. It’s not illegal and it’s not immoral to lie to protect your privacy.

    Here’s how this conversation would happen between my doctor and I:
    Doc: So… Do you own guns in the home?
    Me: No.

    Oh look. That’s the end of the conversation.

    Then again, I live in Texas. I’d probably go out of my way to find a Doctor that himself is into shooting and/or hunting. Doctors have money and own ranches and I want to be friends with guys who own ranches and have money 🙂

    • jonp

      Yes it is immoral to lie. Just refusing to answer is not. Its also not illegal to reply as my wife did to her gynecologist “go **** yourself. None of your business” and find another doctor

      • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

        > Yes it is immoral to lie.

        Not objectively.

        • jonp

          Yes it is always immoral to lie. It is not immoral to simply not answer unless by doing so you cause physical harm to another.

          • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

            There is nothing fundamentally immoral or unethical about lying, just like there is nothing fundamentally immoral or unethical about killing someone. Context matters.

            If you can’t see that, but you have no problem telling someone to “go F themselves”, then I don’t think you understand how objective vs subjective morality works.

          • jonp

            be happy with your moral relativism. No hard feelings here but I think your first name is just a name not an indication of the person it’s attached to

          • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

            You’d be correct. I’m an atheist.

          • zipper

            Knew it!

          • jonp

            Of course there is. Context does not matter at all. However, that is not the question. I will lie at times, it doesn’t make it right or ethical but the circumstances may force me to do it. There is a big difference.

          • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

            Prove it.

          • jonp

            no. verbal gymnastics to justify immoral behavior is not something I’m going to engage in with you. Any action can be justified to oneself if you try hard enough. I’ll leave it to you to decide and it appears you have decided to make lying a part of your daily life.

          • Zebra Dun

            B/S Fifth amendment rights, all you have to do is say No, check No and walk away.
            No I’m agnostic.

          • jonp

            #9) Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor (lie). Kinda pre dates our Constitution by a couple of years and comes from a higher authority. But do as you will, in the USA, at least for now, we get to make our own choices which is the beauty of this country

        • billybob

          Also immoral to be a gun-hatin’ commie Lib pryin’ into my business. Physician, heal thine own self!!

      • Dan

        It’s immoral to lie but not to tell someone to go f#$k yourself? Hmm.. you have some backassward morals there my friend.

        • RyeOnHam

          Were in the bible or any law does it say you can’t tell your doctor to go f*** themselves? I’d like to know which scriptures you’ve been reading.

      • Jon Seaver

        What duty of truth telling exists regarding tangential questions? For example, if your ophthalmologist asks about your sex life? Like Christian, above, suggests, I’ll simply reply, “I took a vow of celibacy.”, And smile.

      • Mikey

        Yes, it is immoral to lie (unless you’re a muslim) but I will lie, if for no other reason than it will screw up their statistics.

  • healthycuriosity

    I would just look the doctor straight in the eye, and lie right through my teeth. Would have no problem instructing my children to do the same.

    • Ebby123

      Just say “I’d rather not talk about that”, or write “Decline”.

      • ironked

        If they are recording your answer, that is basically a tacit admission. A lie is the only answer that stops the harassment.

        • zipper

          You’re not under oath here. If you suffered Any negative action based on a refusal to answer such a question, it would be grounds for legal action. You don’t have to lie.
          Actually, if they checked and found out that you Did own firearms, after you lied about it, that might trigger further inquiry; possibly even a visit from the Gestapo- aka, Dept. of Child & Family Services.

  • Gregory

    My daughters pediatrician doesn’t dare ask me about guns any more. Of course I am known as the a-hole that refuses to answer the questionnaire the pediatrician asks everyone to complete. I am proud to be known as Mr. A-hole instead of Mr. Sheep.

    • iksnilol

      Do… do you carry a 1911 or a variant thereof?

      • Zebra Dun

        LOL I’d say Dang Doc you got Whitetail deer hunting magazines in your waiting room and I know for a fact you deer hunt!

  • bob wilson

    Its real simple spin it back on the doctor!

    Doc “do you have guns in the house?”

    patient “Do fuack your wife in the azs or any sheep last night?”

    doctor “Why did you ask the crazy question?”

    Patent “You started!”

    • Payce

      Your grammar is atrocious.

      • zipper

        bob wilson- real name, Igmar Brohansilneoiz

    • ironked

      Or maybe just start off on an offensive foot and ask if he has ever killed anyone due to a medical mistake or been sued for malpractice? Inform him that medical mistakes, hospital infections and malpractice are the leading cause of death in the US with over a quarter million a year, far surpassing violent criminal, auto and accidental shooting deaths. What medical school did he attend? What was his class ranking? How many times did it take to qualify for his license? If it’s an interview, make it an interview. If he refuses to answer anything, make a show of writing it down in a notebook.

      • Sam Pensive

        …i like your approach.
        keep it up.
        the medical system is full of more perfect than thou practitioners.

  • Docduracoat

    It’s plain that none of you are really doctors
    Under the new MACRA system, doctors are mandated by the Medicare system to ask all kinds of questions they would normally not consider part of their job
    If you do not document that you asked these questions then the Medicare system will hold back 4% of all your Medicare Billings
    The Government decided that anesthesiologist will now be involved in smoking cessation and I have to counsel patients about smoking cessation
    That is not part of my job and I am angry that they force me to do this
    They have demanded that ophthalmologists now counsel patients about flu shots and if they do not counsel patients about the shots and document it then that’s it for 4% of their earnings
    As if your eye doctor had any training or information about flu shots
    While guns or not yet part of the macra system it would be simple for them to add gun questions
    I would also say the doctors get no training at all about gun safety and have no qualifications to speak about safe storage of firearms
    I am a gun enthusiast and I would refer any of my patients who ask about gun storage to an Nra certified instructor

    • st381183

      Now I can respect the issues you face. Thanks for posting. The government is making you guys unpaid social workers. I don’t mind receiving a pamphlet covering the areas the gov’ment says you have too, I just don’t like the intrusive questioning when I’m there for a well baby check up or the flu and the ensuing condescending lecture when it’s obvious the doctor has no expertise in the area.

    • Ark

      Smoking cessation and flu shots are pretty relevant, though, especially when Medicare is the one paying your medical bills. Pushing smoking cessation is a financially smart move. Personally, I’d rather we not waste Medicare dollars on smoking-induced ailments at all…

      • Jon Seaver

        ….TOTALLY the conversation to have, with the surgeon who is going to replace your cataracts!

    • zipper

      So, what happens if the patient says: “I will decide which questions I choose to answer. Next question.”

      • Zebra Dun

        Take the fifth.

    • survivor50

      As someone who has worked WITH Doctors for 45 years… Doctors should stick to medicine…unless you’re coming to the range to TEACH me how to shoot.
      And I’ll stop giving free medical advice… like “You need to find a NEW doctor ! “

    • Norm Glitz

      So for 4% you surrender?

      • Ruger Shooter

        That could easily be a 100K or more for these scum suckers. Got to pay for that big house, fancy car, vacation property, boat, spoiled wife and spoiled mistress somehow. This ‘profession’ kills about 50 people per hour every day of the year just in the U.S. That’s 440,000 per year. http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2014/05/survive-your-hospital-stay/index.htm

        • Ben Pottinger

          Wow, hate much? I’m a patient who’s life’s been repeatedly saved by these “scum suckers”. I’m sure you’ll have a change of tune when your guts are turning inside out in agony and you have no idea why and one of them saves your life.

          A couple of my doctors are well off, others are not, most all deserve to be. What exactly do you believe they should be paid after 12 years of schooling/internship and possibly 4 more of internship? Should they have their wages locked by the government so they don’t make “too much”?

          There are problems with our medical system, but it’s not the doctors.

          • Arr Evans

            Just can’t at all agree with your last statement.
            They share some blame, just like everyone else involved.

          • Ben Pottinger

            Yup, that specialist who treats me (and all his patients) regardless their ability to pay, or that even hospital run by an evil corporation that writes off my treatments and yet treats me like I’m a patient from the Hamptons. Their evil knows no bounds.

            Hopefully the government will come save me from them.

          • Bob61

            Or how about the Dr right here in Tampa who amputated the wrong leg. Or the one who removed a healthy kidney instead of the one with a tumor. I can name at least several screw ups for every “Hamptons” episode you’ve had.

    • Kodi

      Smoking, flu shots and the like are medical related. Firearms are not. Any attempt to force doctors to get involved in the governments gun control efforts would be met with hostility that neither you nor I would like.

    • Zebra Dun

      Oh I answer, I say No.
      How does my stool culture have anything to do with me owning a gun?

      • Tony Floyd

        My immediate response would be “are there any sex toys in your house”, guns and sex toys are nobody’s business but the owners.

  • Ivo Shandor

    Firearms not politics?

  • Broz

    I’d reply …Nunya Bidness…

  • Arnold Ziffel

    Really? WTF does a doc ask someone if there is a firearm in the home???? WTF has this to do with the doc’s service??? Only a doc with a God complex would do this and I don’t want his service.

    • Dan

      Or a doctor required to do so by the place they work. I go to the clinic for falling from a ladder and they ask me 10 questions regarding depression, domestic violence and if i have concerns for safety. If i answer yes they have a stack of pamphlets to hand me, they don’t talk about it. Then again I’m not one of those people that fly off the handle when someone asks me a question I can decline to answer or simply lie about.

  • RetroG

    I’d lie and answer no. Then I’d start asking the doctor about their alcohol and drug use. Since we are asking personal questions impacting my health and safety.

  • gusto

    Privacy this, privacy that

    how do we reach gunowners with mental illnesses, alzheimers, severe epelepsy and other, stuff that would bar people from getting new guns. how do we do that if the doctors doesn’t ask?

    doctors “report” people that get their drivers license revoked due to illness right? seems pretty natural to me that doctors should do the same with guns

    • jonp

      idk, do they? Who do they report to?

    • Mystick

      By “reach” you mean infringe upon inherent Rights based upon a subjective opinion of someone whom in all probability has little to no knowledge or experience in the subject matter.

      It’s called due process and we are guaranteed it by The Constitution.

    • Hillary: A Voice of Treason

      “how do we reach gunowners with mental illnesses, alzheimers, severe epelepsy and other, stuff that would bar people from getting new guns”?

      Stop voting them into office.

      Poster children:

      Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters, for starters.

  • Zapp Brannigan

    So people don’t want any government interference in the doctor-patient relationship, except when they do.

    Just answer a doctor’s questions honestly. There’s no need to get snippy in response to any question, just answer “I decline to answer that” if there’s something you don’t want to answer. Feeling like you need to lie to a doctor is makes for a bad doctor-patient relationship. If your doctor is a jerk (and I’ve had a few that were), then find one who isn’t.

    Being an a-hole isn’t a sign of strength or maturity, it’s the opposite.

    • st381183

      I don’t ever want government interference in my doctor-patient relationship. I want government out of healthcare entirely. The free market with tort reform can bring prices down. The VA should be abolished and our veterans allowed to get timely healthcare wherever they like, government would only write the check. Doctor should only be asking about symptom and treatment consent. It’s all the other holier than thou because I’m a doctor that get us ticked off.

      • iksnilol

        Free market brought you to where you are. And regarding health, that ain’t a good thing.

        • st381183

          Government intervention in the free market under the guise of social justice and social equality has brought us where we are. I point to the paragons of socialized medicine in Great Britain and Canada. The rich seek private care and the masses wait in line.

          • iksnilol

            Our systems work just fine.

            Private care is an option for those who want it, it’s not mandatory (unlike the US) and the subsidized healthcare is more than adequate.

          • st381183

            Please feel free to renounce your US citizenship and immigrate to Norway. You may bask in your socially engineered government approved freedom lacking paradise. Enjoy your Bjorn Borg highlight reels on state ran TV in between safety adds reminding you to wear your helmet, buckle up, and wipe your bjutt well after you pjoop.

          • iksnilol

            But I am in Norway, not in the US. Goodness gracious, why would I choose to live in the US?

          • Dan

            Because Merica? Jk Iks you’re my Favorite Urapeein here.

          • iksnilol

            I mean, keep it gangsta, sure… but also keep the job and your future open. Which I’ve got where I already am.

          • Hillary: A Voice of Treason

            Then you have zero say about our issues and concerns in the U.S., IF you’re REALLY in “Norway” (saying that you’re from another country than the U.S. is a very common Democrat blog troll practice).

            Keep studying your Koran, since you’ll be 100% Muslim within three years. You’re gonna LUV your new “systems”……

          • iksnilol

            I am in the medical profession. I am always concerned for my fellow man, it’s literally my job.

            Now, you commie bastards should get bent.

          • House MD

            Norway’s kept out of this sh1tstorm you ignoramous. Nobody can force Norway in particular to islamise. Same goes for Switzerland and all the other sh1tlords in eastern Europe who won’t take Merkel’s sh1te. Norway and Switzerland have a treaty with the EU, but aren’t members and none of the eastern european countries have any particular economic dependency on it (we’re just in for the free Deutsche Marks!), not remotely close to western Europe’s

          • House MD

            Something a lot of British politicians are failing to grasp is just how much of a money pit medicine really is. The ruling party (predominantly made up of generally awful characters claiming to be right wing capitalists) want to privatise it and are doing their utmost to make it so (by way of underfunding) that everyone would end up begging them to do so, while the opposition (predominantly made up of slightly more awful marxists) like to pretend that running the NHS in this kind of bureaucratic manner doesn’t cost a fortune.

            At the end of the day we just end up stuck between a bunch of ideologically driven cun7s who care more about the flawed party line than facts and that will ultimately be the downfall of the NHS at least.

            I imagine Norway’s system is run much better, but I can attest to the British system bursting at the seams as a result of chronic underfunding.

      • House MD

        When the only tool you have is a hammer…

  • Ark

    I think a psychologist or counselor has every right to ask about access to firearms, but a general practitioner or pediatrician can right off with demands for answers or attempts to take any kind of action.

    It’s one thing if it comes up in a conversation with a pediatrician about child-proofing a home or something, but as far as I’m concerned they have no business asking as if the mere existence of firearms constitutes a health risk. No doctor asks if I drive a car, and then chides me for “risky behavior”.

  • valorius

    Any time my doctor asks if i have firearms in the home, i tell him “Only the 23mm quad antiaircraft gun on the roof.”

  • Eric Atkinson

    I do not own an “single gun.” It’s true.

    • Andrea Goldstein

      Ha ha! Good one.

  • Dan

    I read all these comments and everyone has pretty much damned the doctors. Some clinics/hospitals require healthcare providers to ask questions. I went in for for hurting my ribs and was asked if i felt safe, or depressed or was a victim of domestic violence. Then they asked about smoking. They have drawers full of pamphlets to hand out if i should answer yes to any question. They don’t talk to me about it they give me some piece of paper.
    And they apologized in advance for asking the questions they were required to ask me. I didn’t get pissed and accuse them of a having a god complex. You’re all babies seriously this is a pretty small problem in the grand scope of things. “Oh my god my doctor asked about muh guns. 2A shall no be infinged How dare you lecture me you’re not qualified” then you turn around with all your “qualifications” and lecture other people on this blog about the best handgun or best way to defend yourself, or how healthcare providers should do their jobs. Like it or not guns pose a risk. Idiots view it as a big risk and make stupid polices health care providers are then burden with asking. Access to educational material isn’t wrong as long as it is unbiased. So instead of condeming them maybe offer solutions like an actual informational pamphlet that doesn’t paint guns as bad.
    You won’t though it’s easier to scream for their heads to placed on a pike. The gun community wants nothing to do with trying to be helpful. We want to yell shall not be infringed and walk around with an AR strapped to our back to make a point. But get pissed when someone asks if we have guns.
    The biggest threat we face is from within.

    • st381183

      Yep. Damn the doctors! It’s an opinion forum and these are our opinions. Why read them and then chew us out for having them.

  • supergun

    The attack on the 2nd Amendment will always be. The extreme liberal’s agenda is to disarm America like they did in Australia and Europe. The people can be controlled better when that happens.

  • Rogertc1

    Do not answer their question.

    • Hillary: A Voice of Treason

      Makes sense to me.

      I am constantly asked for my SS# by any doctor or specialist I visit.

      By state law, I’m not required to provide that info, and I don’t, and even though they probably already have it.

  • survivor50

    Ask your “Doctor” if he knows what they called the guy that finished LAST in medical school… ” DOCTOR !!! “

  • Mike S

    It would be easier to answer the question with another question, like “who in their right mind would keep guns in their own home?!” The interrogator would likely ‘assume’ you had answered in the negative.

  • Kodi

    While not a doctor by any stretch of the imagination, I believe it’s safe to assume that I have much more medical training and experience than the majority of doctors have weapons training and experience.
    Assuming that’s true until proven otherwise, any doctor that attempts to question me about firearms outside of a friendly, informative or curious discussion from an enthusiast point of view or someone genuinely desiring to learn, will be politely but quickly rebuffed.
    Fortunately most of the medical personnel I see are active duty military and an even higher percentage are working in a military hospital, so that hasn’t happened yet.
    My optometrist and I have discussions as he is an avid firearms hobbyist, shooter and understands my prescription needs for shooting.


    When my Dr’s nurse asked me if I owned firearms I asked her what style of panties she preferred. She blushed, and told me that it was none of my business. I smiled, finished my exam, and got a new Dr. Now, as a service connected disabled vet, most of my medical care is through the VA. No one at the VA has ever asked me if I own guns.

  • Mikey

    If they ask if I own guns I will lie to them and say I do not own guns.

  • Patrick ONeil

    This is a non issue. I would automatically lie to any doc that asks if I have guns in my house. I’d say “nope”. Problem solved. The doc can’t discriminate and I protect my (gun) privacy. I simply do not volunteer info to people on my firearms because it’s no one’s business but mine.