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What happen when reload gone bad…

 

Not sure who owns this but it has been confirmed that the owner is fine. I wonder if the owner loaded a double charge in a S&W500 Magnum cartridge? Is there enough room to do so? Does anyone here reload S&W 500?

 



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  • DIR911911 .

    that’s what happens when you put a 357 , a 9mm, and a 45 acp all in one chamber

  • Vhyrus

    I bet he also blew a hole through the back of his pants when touched that one off.

    • Clay

      New meaning to double load

    • Bobby Hopkins

      hahahahaha laughing my ass off.goodone vhyrus.

  • Drew Riebe

    Depending on the powder, one could definitely double charge the big 500. I suspect Vhyrus is right, I doubt his drawers are salvageable.

  • Gary Kirk

    Hand “grenade”

    Dude’s lucky if he didn’t get hurt..

  • ActionPhysicalMan

    Wow. Using loads with as close to 100% charge volume is probably a good idea if you are are capable of such errors (and I suspect we all are). I myself double charged a 9mm once 30 years ago, but the P7 held it without evident damage. I am still trepidated by it today. With 100%+ loads it is much harder to make such a mistake.

  • Anonymoose

    My face! My beautiful face!

  • A.WChuck

    In the immortal words of Farm Film Report, “That blowed up! That blowed up real good!”

    • The_Champ

      Extra points for a very Canadian SCTV reference!

    • mazkact

      That brings back memories.

      • Chris Roland

        Do you have a story to share?

        • mazkact

          Naw, I was refering to SCTV John Candy and Joe Flaherty. That Farm report skit with “That blowed up! That blowed up real good!” is a one of my favorite SCTV skits from long ago.

    • DaveGinOly

      My ex and I used to watch that. When we got home from work and turned on the TV to watch the national news we would say “Let’s see what blowed up today.”

  • Raptor Fred

    Titegroup an extremely fast powder is often used for reduced velocity/recoil charges in magnum cartridges. Charge weights are usually half the weight of what a slower burning magnum powder would be. The case volume is large enough that a double charge is very easy to get in the case, resulting in extremely high pressures and catastrophic failure. This looks to be a perfect example of just that. (Here’s an example of the data) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/14cc70cd1851c84118c2d30a950e8c92ab933e07460bac4ed8d32d26a7b28f6f.png

    • HSR47

      The Longshot load isn’t much heavier than the Titegroup load….

      • Raptor Fred

        Yes but blowing up guns is a very common attribute of Titegroup due to its very fast burn rate and loading mistakes.
        Titegroup is #15 on the IMR cart of relative quickness.
        Longshot #54 All the others in the #60s
        There is a significant difference. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ce53a428e2fc91867609e631114c5407072de01bf8e44a4758e28b3276be920.png

        • tony

          I have blew a ruger super blackhawk hunter using a overcharge of titegroup, this powder even at a 40% overload looks nearly less than half full in a .44 mag case.

          • tony

            note this overload was my own fault i did not catch that my beam scale was set to 10gr so i didnt catch until after the fact that my 5 gr cowboy load was actually 15gr

    • nova3930

      Which is why as a personal practice I try to stick to powders you can’t physically double charge if at all possible.

      • Jared Vynn

        H110 is great in that regard, some of it’s loads even call for compression when you seat the bullet.

        • Raptor Fred

          It certainly is a balls to the wall powder. Here’s a 45 Colt +P+ load for a lever gun I just did. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/07ec95ee55fc9e53301c660f8e1e8a9faeeffed2022d17be79fc763d86878217.png

        • Nick

          in my experience with it in 300AAC, it actually seems to prefer slight compression and near max loads (which make me nervous, but can’t argue with performance). That’s with little 110gr bullets though.

          • Jared Vynn

            I mostly use it with 357 and 44 Magnum as well as 22tcm and 300 blk. All seem to do best with it compressed a little. I haven’t gone near max loads personally.

    • PK

      Common when people want to reload an easier shooting cartridge, and save money by using less powder per load. I only ever suggest reduced loads to experienced reloaders, and this is the reason why.

    • Wild Bill

      Titegroup is no more dangerous than Bullseye and several other powder that are actully rated faster. Too much powder is too much powder. Relying on powder bulk to save you from an overload instead of employing careful reloading practices is going to limit your powder choices and possible lead to disaster if you ever move into reloading many rifle cartridges.

      • Just Saying

        It is more dangerous because it inherently allows for a mistake to be made

      • You imply a lot with “instead of”…. Smart people, and most of those who use the practice, are using it as ‘part of’ smart reloading practice. One could flip your statement 180* to make what is IMO a wiser statement. “People who rely on an intent to exercise hyper vigilance and pay 100% to multiple redundant steps, as opposed to mechanical fail safes are throwing away a valuable tool and kidding themselves dangerously.” Even the best case human attention span and observation are far more failure prone than changes in volume or ratcheting mechanisms in progressive presses.

  • TechnoTriticale

    re: …it has been confirmed that the owner is fine.

    …for definitions of “fine” that allow for an unexplained red spot on the frame just above the trigger.

  • SPQR9

    I wonder what a mechanical engineer would see in that picture because it does not match what I’d expect to see in a typical reloading error accident.

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      What did you expect to see?

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Powder wont melt steel frames, dude.

        • CrazyKg

          This made me chuckle.

        • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

          I think Ill try some jet fuel loads next time Im at the bench.

          • Clinton Matthews

            HAHA I might try some JP3 too sounds good

      • SPQR9

        The way the cylinder came apart looks odd to me.

        • Edeco

          I wonder if five and six shot cylinders will tend to blow up differently. Do sixes usually crack across the erm… crane-hole?

          Edit: I checked, they don’t 😀

    • m-dasher

      Mechanical engineer here…..that is exactly what i would expect to see.

      the cylinder will separate, and blow out the top strap……the top strap is designed to fail in that manner, because it directs the failure away from the hands

      • DaveGinOly

        Naturally the force of the explosion emanates from the chamber that holds the round at the top of the cylinder. Because the force of the blast is released directly under the top strap, that’s the next piece to suffer. I would think the cylinder is purposefully made to direct any blast upward, not only to spare the shooter’s hand but also to keep the blast from affecting the bullets in the other chambers.
        I wonder how it works in a Chiappa Rhino. The firing cylinder is the one closest to the shooter’s hand, but you can’t direct the blast into the cylinder because of the danger of setting off other bullets. That may be the reason for the odd uncylindrical shape of their cylinders – to direct the blast out and to the sides, avoiding the shooter’s hand and giving the blast somewhere to go other than into the nearby chambers.

  • m-dasher

    this is why i use Trail boss for all my range/ plinking ammo…….pretty much impossible to over charge with it.

    • James

      Right on. This is why i use powder where a double load won’t allow the bullet to seat or overflows. But I suppose a 500SW may be a different animal, re case volume is yuge.

      • Compressing a normal charge could allow for absurd pressure spikes. My bet would be either stuck bullet obstruction, or substituting wrong powder.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    You would be hard pressed to get me to shoot that with a normal load. My hand hurts just thinking about a double charge.

    • CountryBoy

      I’ve fired it, when an ex-cop cousin just “had” to show me his new purchase. It is not something I’d recommend for the weak of heart or wrist, as the recoil is ferocious and seems to come all at once rather than smoothly.

      I wouldn’t buy one, but if I did I’d avoid handloads simply for that reason – to avoid even the chance of an incorrect load

      • Gilbert

        Even a 44 mag hurt to shoot back in my younger days. I can’t imagine shooting one of these monsters.

        • CountryBoy

          I only fired one or two rounds, in part because they’re expensive even to handload. But it was one of those “had to do it” things.

  • TDog

    And if you don’t reload carefully, you too can turn a $1000 gun into a hand grenade!

    • Dan

      Wouldn’t that make it a destructive device? Maybe we should ask the ATF for a clarification on this subject.

      • nadnerbus

        This calls for a letter writing campaign for “clarification.”

    • Hax Bond

      Double loads all five then throws to the enemy to use.

      • CountryBoy

        There was an article about the Viet Nam war, where clandestine U.S. agents altered (overcharged) ammo found in caches hidden by the Viet Cong. As I recall the intent was to make the VC so afraid to use the ammo after having it blow up several of their guns and maim or kill many VC soldiers that they’d never trust the Chinese supply of guns and other weapons provided to them. I don’t recall how well it worked or what the ultimate results of the operation were, but it was a meticulous process of opening each round by hand, adulterating it and putting it back together so properly that the random rounds tampered with couldn’t be told from the untouched (safe) rounds. The VC would never know what ammo was safe to use and what wasn’t, since the weight of each round was carefully maintained to be the correct, expected weight, had no markings on it other than those which would be on untampered rounds, including any stray toolmarks, nicks or scratches.

        It was all done by hand, without the use of automated machinery, and was tediously processed and returned to the cache to be left as if nothing had ever been done.

        An interesting psych warfare story that was done without any of the leaks that seem to occur commonly today.

      • Bobby Hopkins

        huh ?

  • Kelly Jackson

    That’s what happens when you try to shoot .50 BMG out of a gun chambered in .50 S&W

  • Anomanom

    See, this is why i don’t reload or handload. At least if it blows up, it wasn’t my stupidity that caused it.

  • Bob

    I know you can triple charge a 45 ACP round depending on the powder used.
    Pistol powders are dangerous because of the lack of volume they take up in the case. In a rifle case, you are almost using a “compressed load”. Dont ever screw up and put pistol powder in a rifle case. It WILL KABOOM on you.

    • RSG

      300blk

      • Veteran for Trump

        Yup. 300BLK. H110.

    • Marcus D.

      Absolutely. The case will hold up to 40 grains by volume of black powder, but a “full” load for smokeless is a .7 cc Lee dipper, which is hardly any powder at all. I have some Leadville cowboy action rounds, and they have even less smokeless. There is so much air in the case that I crimp them to keep the bullet from sliding down inside.

      I haven’t checked but I believe that .357, always a smokeless round AFAIK, has a huge volume of unused space, and in fact a .38 case could be loaded to .357 spec; the longer case was implemented to prevent accidents from people loading a .357 round into a revolver not rated for that much pressure. I don’t recall exactly, but I believe the case capacity of a .38 is 20 grains of black powder by volume, which is actually higher than the average .36 load back in the day of 12 to 17 grains. 20 grains of BP is fairly close to 1.2 ccs of smokeless.

      • Jared Vynn

        357 was smokeless, but the powder used was h110 and it was loaded to near full capacity and still is today with h110. There are other orders used that call for less powder, but that is where double charging becomes a risk as well as inconsistent burn.

    • Veteran for Trump

      Except for 300BLK. Pistol powder is a must. H110 being the most popular.

  • t_reese

    Here, hold ma beer and watch this..Just before his drawers became stained yellow in front and brown in back..

    • Ah…I hear tell that’s the way country folk know which way to put on their britches.

  • Rnasser Rnasser

    That’s an oopsie that will be remembered for a long time…

  • Brian Menin
  • FriendOfJohnnyM

    THIS is why I only use single stage presses, and ALWAYS double-check my powder loads.

  • Raymond Arthur Powell

    If he was using reloads was it a sub charge? To save on costs.
    This happened a few years back in UK when people were experimenting with low loads to cut costs with the 44mag .

  • Benjamin Goldstein

    reminds me of all the revolvers blown up when the GM3 powder hit the market

  • Rogertc1

    Another idiot shooting hand loads. WTF did this story not say shit about it. FAKE NEWS?

  • Mike Peach

    Right charge weight, wrong powder.

  • Mike Peach

    Right charge weight, wrong powder.

  • Steve

    Ultralight powder has it’s place in reloading.

  • Colonel K

    I’m sure the bear died laughing.