USCCA Partners with PDN

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There was a bit of a dust up back before the National Rifle Association’s Annual Meetings (NRAAM) when it was announced that the US Concealed Carry Association (USCCA) had been disinvited to the exposition. Since that time the NRA officially launched its concealed carry insurance program called Carry Guard. This program appears to be in direct competition to the USCCA own self defense insurance products.

Part of both programs is an education and training element. However, with the NRA jumping into the mix, the USCCA significantly sweetened its deal by partnering with the Personal Defense Network (PDN.) This should substantially enhance its training and educational program.

Rob Pincus, a firearms trainer and developer of the Combat Focus shooting system, is the executive director of PDN and will help shape the training offered through the USCCA. Additionally, USCCA members will get an opportunity for more advanced courses through PDN at a discounted rate.

Frankly, I’ve been leery of the training I’ve seen offered in the past by both NRA and USCCA instructors. While many people complained about the USCCA being excluded from NRAAM, I saw it simply as a free market in action. By the NRA now being in competition with the USCCA (and others) for your dollars, it gives you another choice in products.

Since both organizations are competing for your business, they have to seek an advantage – maybe lower prices, better coverage or superior training. In this case, the USCCA partnered with a recognized national instructor and training program. This is good for its members and the those in the market for a self defense protection plan. To effectively compete, the NRA may need to “up” its training game to earn your money. That, by any measure, is a good thing.



Richard Johnson

An advocate of gun proliferation zones, Richard is a long time shooter, former cop and internet entrepreneur. Among the many places he calls home is http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/.


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  • 22winmag

    I’m never going to forget the line on USCCA’s policy that said the bulk of the money would be disbursed when [a not-guilty verdict or similar outcome is reached].

    I believe that phrase has been removed or updated. However, that line alone, was so positively ridiculous for a number of reasons, that’s it’s hard to take any of this CCW insurance seriously.

    • John

      So let me understand, you want to be insured for committing a crime?

      • Marcus D.

        No, he wants to be insured for defense costs and expert witness fees. Upfront, when they are most needed. As you probably already know, the people who have CCWs have an exceedingly low rate of crime commission. I don’t know about you, I don’t have $100,000 laying around to fund defense costs through trial for a DGU–and without money, it is pretty damn difficult to hire attorneys, get out of jail, or pay for expert testimony. Do you think that the attorney should have to gamble his fee on getting his client off?

        • John

          FYI, I HAVE this insurance and will be contacting them ASAP to determine if the trial money is out of pocket and THEN reimbursed after a not-guilty verdict.

          • John

            I asked them about this and this is DIRECTLY from USCCA insurance:

            “As a USCCA member, if you are involved in a self defense incident using any legal weapon (frying pan, baseball bat, firearm, knife, fists), you would contact the USCCA. Our Critical Response Team will arrange for your attorney and any necessary bail bond ASAP. Your USCCA member benefits will then pay your legal fees on an ongoing basis. No need to wait for reimbursement or a not-guilty verdict at trial to have your legal expenses paid.

            With a USCCA membership, your out-of-pocket costs are simply your membership dues.”

            That’s good enough for me.

    • Tom Currie

      Excuse me, Mister 22WindBag, but would you like to show us exactly where to find that line?

      USCCA is one of several insurance plans that pays up front – there are a couple of other plans that require the individual to pay for their own defense (or find a lawyer who will wait for his money) because they “reimburse” the expenses.

      I have not seen any insurance program that pays for further “legal defense” after a guilty verdict (i.e. appeals).

      • Marcus D.

        The way the plan was originally written–which occurred at the same time it closed its blog to nonparticipants in the defense plan–it was an indemnity (aka reimbursement) policy that had rather fritzy language that first required a not guilty verdict or dismissal of charges, and second seemed to indicate that since it wasn’t insurance, the possibility existed that the “powers that be” could deny a claim for reimbursement. As 22winmag stated, that may have changed, and your comment reflects that it probably has.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    Pincus is one of the smartest cross marketers in the industry. Good move on USCCA’s part.

  • Jim_Macklin

    It isn’t uncommon to hear some comment on the Internet about what somebody would do if somebody was stealing their truck or seducing their daughter.
    Actually using the gun or knife or club in self-defense is the easy part. Knowing the law and controlling your emotions [ fear and anger ] may be more important.
    There are 50 States and D.C. and all have laws that differ, sometimes in major ways. Then the police and DA decide whether you followed the law.
    As George Zimmerman found out, being the victim does not mean the State won’t try to hang you to avoid a riot.
    If you live in a dozen really bad states, California, NY, NJ, come to mind and you can’t move, buy really good insurance and marry into a family of criminal trial lawyers.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    If only USCCA would start an ILA like program so the NRA would have some more competition where it is really needed. The NRA has turned too much into a profit machine because everyone just gives to the NRA and doesnt pay a cent of attention to what the ILA does (and doesnt) do with their money.

    • Though I’m sure NRA is profiting nicely from the variety of mechanisms it has to collect money (NRA, ILA, PAC, etc.), I have followed them in my own State and several key battles around the country. Without their assistance and influence we would not have the beneficial firearm laws we have today (every State with CCW, elapsing of the AWB, blocking of new AWB legislation, and much more).

      I’m not saying I’m jumping on the band wagon for this new insurance program, but even with all their faults the NRA is the flagship for 2nd Amendment advancements.

      • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

        Ill agree that the NRA has done more for gun rights than any other organization, but that is simply because they are so much larger than any other organization. They are hardly optimized. Some healthy competition for donations would really help them get back to their potential.

        • Agreed. As long as they keep the common goal in sight, and don’t go after each causing distraction and destruction in our much-needed firearm rights/protections arena.

    • Marcus D.

      The owner of USCCA, Tim Schmidt, doesn’t seem to be interested in any opportunities that don’t turn a profit–for him. That was one of the thing that most pissed off people who signed up for his newletters and access to the forum was that he was always trying to sell you something, much of which had nothing to do with guns. Lobbying and litigation is just money out the door.

  • 22winmag

    Criminal cases that make it all the way to a jury are uncommon. Not guilty verdicts are exceedingly rare. The vast majority of criminal cases end with plea bargains. I’d run away like my hair was on fire from any insurance that says you’ll get the funds when a not guilty verdict is reached. Always read the fine print.

  • Cymond

    Honestly, I’m disappointed in the NRA. I would hope they would serve a unilateral pro-gun gun stance on behalf of their members, gun owners, and the industry in general. I don’t think they should be playing favorites.