OPINION: Remington 870 TAC-14 is BETTER than the Mossberg 590 Shockwave


At first glance, it is extremely difficult to tell the Remington 870 apart from the Mossberg 590 Shockwave. If the two were laid side-by-side on a gun bench, it would be tough to tell which is which from a distance. Their qualities and features overlap quite a bit, but IN MY OPINION, the Remington 870 TAC-14 holds the edge over the Mossberg 590 Shockwave (just slightly).


Remington Model 870 TAC-14 12 Gauge

Without two samples to play with side-by-side for us here at TFB (*cough*… you should probably send us some Remington and Mossberg… *cough*), a side-by-side comparison of features will have to do.

  • TAC-14: Capacity 4+1; Shockwave: Capacity 5+1
  • TAC-14: Milled Steel Billet Receiver; Shockwave: Aluminum Receiver
  • TAC-14: Magpul M-LOK Forend; Shockwave: Corn-Cob Forend w/ Handstrap
  • TAC-14: MSRP $443.05; Shockwave: MSRP $455.00
  • TAC-14: 14″ Cylinder Bore w/ Bead Sight; Shockwave: 14″ Cylinder Bore w/ Bead Sight
  • TAC-14: Shockwave Raptor pistol grip; Shockwave: Shockwave Raptor pistol grip
  • TAC-14: Black Oxide finish; Shockwave: Matte Blued finish
  • TAC-14: 5.65 Lbs; Shockwave: 5.25 Lbs

A lot of the features can be considered a draw, but overall, the Remington 870 wins out in my opinion. Some other items not mentioned are both models are American-made, have a Lifetime Warranty, and have a strong after-market parts backing.


Mossberg 590 Shockwave 12 Gauge

When staring at this list of features, the 2 biggest victories I see are the milled, solid-steel billet receiver and the Magpul M-LOK forend; both wins for the Remington 870. With a firearm like this, the extra weight and strength could go a long ways in taming recoil and improving durability. Also, the M-LOK compatible forend is huge with how wildly popular M-LOK furniture is becoming.

TAC-14The one temporary downside, unless Remington makes some modifications, is the Mossberg 590 Shockwave can accept the ultra-fun Aguila Minishells. Since the Aguila Minishells are only 1 3/4″ they present some feeding problems, but with an OPSol Miniclip, consider the problem solved. With the OPSol Miniclip installed, you can only shoot the Aguila Minishells though. It takes only a few seconds to remove the insert to revert back to normal shotgun shells. Since the Remington 870 is so fresh to the market it is yet to be seen if OPSol will produce something compatible for their shotgun as well.

Overall, both of these models should have a street price around $400 and would be equally fun at the range. My tip of the hat goes to the Remington Model 870 TAC-14.

Remington Website

The outdoors, fitness and anything related to firearms are my passions. I am a S&W Armorer, Glock Armorer, reloader and am coping with an addiction to classic S&W and Colt revolvers (by buying more revolvers). I’ve been a guest writer for Sierra Bullets and love long walks to the gun range.


  • Alex Agius

    And both are basically range toys/middle fingers the atf

    • Erik DeShane

      I disagree. It’s a $450 truck gun that has all the intimidation factor of any AR-15, easy to store, simple to use, & lightweight. Aside from an invasion from muslim commie terrorist zombies — 6 rounds 00 Buck along with a proper sidearm, should get just about any job done. ALSO, the Mossberg is the better choice. Dual extractors, properly placed “ambi” safety, and the included hand-strap will help to keep you from shooting your meat beater off. Check out Clint Smith’s (Thunder Ranch) review on youtube

      • Alex Agius

        Check out inrangetv’s video on pgo shotguns

        • iksnilol

          Yeh, but easier to store in a truck.

        • RSG

          Wxceptnthis isn’t a pistol grip shotgun. This is easier to shoot/control.

      • Hem90

        I’d take it backpacking. Maybe not for my wife, she can shoot shotguns but still doesn’t care for them, but I’m admittedly bulky and don’t mind pistol grip shotguns.

    • Brett

      They make nice SBS candidates. If you decide to go done that hole.

    • Tierlieb

      Butbutbut Gabe Suarez has recently been going through great lengths to tell us how awesome it is.
      Which he usually does when he is trying to sell you something. So this is actually a middle finger not just to the ATF but also Gabe. I’ll take two.

  • uncle fester

    The Mossberg has the critical advantage of not being manufactured by Remington. Remington where Quaility Control goes to die.

    • Caffeinated

      …Quality control and entire brands….

  • Herp

    I don’t see the forend as a win for Remington as it has no strap.

    Weren’t there some people who had difficulties with those new bullpup shotguns removing digits?

    The layout of these guns just makes it seem perfect for blowing off a hand if used in duress.

    • The Bloody Heartland

      Agreed, it’s quite clear Remington didn’t put any thought into this besides “copy what Mossberg did”. Had they actually put some though into this concept, they would have put the shockwave grip onto the 14″ MCS model. Not only is the MCS forend designed to keep fingers attached, it comes with a sling mount.

      • Caffeinated

        Yup. If Remington had given any thought before just copying Mossberg, they would probably capture the market for these curiosities by riding the coat tails of the MCS. Their marketing department needs a serious overhaul.

        • The Bloody Heartland

          You could say that about most of their departments, especially QC. In addition to playing catch-up with Mossberg, one can safely assume they’re doing so as cheaply as possible. It doesn’t get much cheaper than cut down express model w/ a birds head grip and magpul forend. I have no desire to buy either one of these, but I would have bought the Remington solely for the MCS receiver/forend.

    • iksnilol

      That was an entirely different issue. Guy shot hand because he used the foregrip on the pump as a grip and not a handstop. This became an issue when the grip broke and his hand went in front of the muzzle.

  • AD

    I’m confused. Aluminium is more expensive than steel right? So Mossberg would have chosen to use steel in the received unless there was an advantage to aluminium, right? Probably for the weight savings would be my guess.

    You then say that the weight and strength of the steel receiver is an advantage for the Remington, but give the Mossberg the win in the weight category for being lighter.

    Personally, I think the large ammo capacity of the Mossberg is the most significant difference (on paper, I can’t judge things like quality, balance, smoothness etc from photos and bullet points).

    • Flounder

      Most, if not all of mossberg’s 500s are aluminium recievers. That is probably why they used a “more expensive” material. I have those quotes because aluminium is an order of magnitude easier to machine and work with than steel. So the finished product could very well be cheaper.

    • Edeco

      Yep, reviewer hasn’t defined his objective sanely, gives points for both lightness and heaviness. It’s exhausting to read people talking in circles. He could take a nuanced, non-linear approach to weight, but that should be stated.

  • Sid

    I agree with the assertion that this is a very close decision. Seems like a Ford vs. Chevy issue.

  • joshv06

    I disagree.

    What’s wrong will aluminum? AR-15’s are Aluminum. Lockups are steel.
    You listed a $12 MSRP price difference as a plus? Negligible..
    Mossberg has dual extractors. Seen many youtube videos of 870’s failing to extract. Never a Mossberg.
    Mossberg has a user serviceable ejector.
    Mossberg’s tang safety is more natural with the shockwave grip
    +1 capacity, which on a small gun like this is awesome

    Also, it’s not Remington.

    • Harry’s Holsters

      The safety is the biggest deal for me. I’m a righty and I hate the Remington safety. I can only imagine how lefties feel.

      • supergun

        Another very good point.

    • Roguewriter

      “It’s not Remington.” A definite sales plus for any other gun.

    • SGT Fish

      ive seen quite a few mossbergs fail to extract. usually when the extractor pin walks out of the bolt, digs a nice deep grove into the aluminum receiver, and then stops working when half the pin is gone and the receiver is unreparable. Ive also seen them fail to fire many times when the substandard safety moves itself into the “safe” position after one shot

      • Bill Funk

        I have several Mossberg shotguns, and I actually fire them every week. I have yet to see these problems.
        Of course, if you’re a gunsmith, you see lots of things. When I used to work in a motorcycle shop, we saw lots of Hondas; of course, Hondas were the biggest sellers, so they represented more bikes than any other, so it was only natural.
        Are you, by any chance, involved in smithing?

        • supergun

          LOL. The mouse is caught.

      • Caffeinated

        Of course most of those issues can be addressed pretty easily with minimal inspection and corrective action. The safety and extractor pin are far easier to replace than the 870 ejector (which seems to be the 870’s weak point).

    • Tom Currie

      Your final comment explained the reason why Adam made the choice he did — because of the green writing on the box!

      I defy anyone who knows firearms, to try to cite the Remington 870 receiver as being inherently more durable than the Mossberg 590 receiver — come on Adam, the military laid that nonsense to rest when they tested pump shotguns head to head.

      Of all eight specific points that Adam compared, I have to figure that six are a tie or too close to call, one is totally irrelevant because neither gun is going to sell for MSRP, and the only one worth paying attention to (capacity) favors the Mossberg.

      As I see it, if you already have an 870 that you like, you choose the Remmy; if you already have a 590, it’s no contest; and if you don’t have either you walk into your LGS and pick up whichever is on hand.

      • iksnilol

        The weight difference is slight, but is still something. I mean, a fully loaded Mossberg with its extra shell is still lighter than the Remington.

    • Ned Weatherby

      Right – so many gripes about that AR aluminum receiver. Burn, baby!

    • supergun

      Mossberg has the better weapon. There will alway be those people who buy VWs.

  • Aerindel Prime

    Has anyone actually fired one of these? I shot a pistol grip 18″ barrel 870 a couple years ago and it seriously hurt. I have friends on another forum who tore a tendon in their wrist shooting the same thing. Am I missing something? I don’t consider myself recoil sensitive, I can shoot a .308 or 12 gauge all day long. I shoot .44 mag and .454 casul but I have no desire to repeat my experience with that pistol grip shotgun.

    • Caffeinated

      The birds head style grip really reduces the amount of recoil transferred into your hand compared to the traditional pistol grip. I have tennis elbow and can shoot this comfortably.

      • Aerindel Prime

        Interesting, I didn’t know that.

    • Nicholas C

      I shot the Mossberg at Shot Show. It is not bad at all. But we were shooting light loads and mini shells.

    • Flounder

      I never had recoil issues when I had a pistol grip on my shotgun. I had accuracy issues all over the place with it though; and those were second only to the overall crappy ergonomics of a PGO shotgun.

      Although mine was the overfolder style of stock which I really liked the idea of but sucked in all forms in practice.

      • Aerindel Prime

        Yeah, I couldn’t hit anything either, but it hurt too much to care.

    • Havok

      45 seconds in. All these guys are friends of mine and for shits and giggles they brought it out to shoot clays.

  • EdgyTrumpet

    Shockwave is lighter and holds one more shell, but the TAC-14 is better?
    How much did Remington pay you?

    • Bill Funk

      To be fair, he’s going on specs alone; he admits he hasn’t actually handled, much less fired, these guns.
      Specs are nice, but they don’t shoot.

      • S. Plankenberg

        What’s the effin’ point of doing a compare and contrast article on something the author does noe fore or even handle?

        The term ” Pencil Whippin’ It ” comes immediately to mind.

  • Caffeinated

    Having both multiple 870 and 590 shotguns, I’ll go hands down for the Mossberg for its ambidextrous design. It’s also lighter thanks to the aluminum alloy receiver. People may argue that the lighter weight works against you being a pistol grip shotgun. To some degree this is true, but I have no issues shooting aerial clays with it. It’s only when using full power buck and slug loads that it becomes really uncomfortable. Even reduced recoil buck and slug loads are pretty easy to control.

    I built my shockwave when the first opinion letter came out and Mossberg was still selling parts and mine is parkerized. It also means that over the course of a few years, it has seen thousands of rounds as a range curiosity and snake gun. Within 10 yards it might even be a good self defense tool.

    Now let’s add Remington’s lack of QC and the choice is pretty simple.

  • USMC03Vet

    You left out the most important part and the biggest real difference which is safety placement. Mossberg wins.

    • CommonSense23

      I like the Remington safety way better, but Mossberg wins hands down on quality control alone.

    • Just Say’n

      Depends on if you’re a lefty or a righty (handed that is). Yeah, if you’re a lefty then the Mossberg wins on the safety alone. Rightys are fine with either.

      • gabriel brack

        This righty still prefers to manipulate any safety he can with his thumb.

    • Nameson

      I disagree. The placement of the crossbolt safety means that it protrudes into the trigger finger if active, and that with an oversized tactical safety, the trigger finger will automatically deactivate the safety.

      I hate tang safeties. When borrowing a friend’s shotgun, (automatic) tang safeties are sure to result in a few lost clays.

      • USMC03Vet

        Top safeties are best safeties for shotguns without pistol grips.

  • The Mossberg holds more 20% more ammo and has a better safety and is lighter and can use mini shells and is made by a company not mired in scandal over QC and faulty trigger design .

    Clearly, the Remington is superior.

    • Rick O’Shay

      and you can change the forend. So bit***ng about a corncob grip with a strap is just dumb.

      • iksnilol

        Especially considering how cheap magpul furniture is.

    • Phillip Cooper

      25% more ammo, actually….

      • SGT Fish

        but with Remington, you can easily add a tube extension…

        • Hem90

          ^ This. Especially since a lot of +1s are tiny. Although in this design the mossberg safety is better I’ll probably pick up a Remington eventually for backpacking.

          • Redfoot

            A quick look at a magazine extension (either +1 or +2) shows prices on Brownells and Midway of between $54 and $75 dollars. Tell me about that price difference again? And the Mossberg will actually extract reliably, unlike my 2 870’s.

        • Caffeinated

          You can do likewise with the Mossberg since its a 590 and not 500. It has a barrel ring just like the 870.

        • 9911kelly

          Being that I’m not likely to modify a gun, the Mossberg gives the capacity advantage without having to spend extra money to modify it.

  • Nicholas C

    Other considerations. The Mossberg receiver is drilled and tapped for optics. The Remington is not.

    • iksnilol

      Yass, finally my S&B 4-16×56 is useful.

      • Flounder

        Going to the borderlands on vacation?

        • iksnilol

          Yeah, i’m gonna… CATCH A RIDE!

          • El Duderino

            It’s all fun and games until your 4+1 shoots 3 shells per trigger pull…ya got a single shot 😉

            The Mossberg Shockwave would look pretty rad with a Torgue paint scheme though…particularly with the axe attachment up front…

          • Cymond
          • iksnilol


            I don’t see what’s sad about that shottie.

          • iksnilol

            Nah, then you get 2 shots of 3 but only spend 4-5 rounds. Unless you get one with a burst fire mod.

      • Aono

        Please be advised that I exhaled a short gust through my nostrils upon reading this.

        • iksnilol

          Nothing less than that was my intention, good sir.

  • Rick O’Shay

    Eh. Give me the Mossy and I’ll put a Magpul forend on it and have the better gun. The Remington’s forend is literally the only thing I like over the Mossy.

    • Redfoot

      You will still be $$$ ahead once you price out the cost for a remington tube extension.

  • McThag

    “Since the Remington 870 is so fresh to the market…”

    Yeah, it’s only been out for 67 years, better wait a few more to see if it catches on.

  • Milo

    Adam – you might do some investigating. Black Oxide and Bluing are one in the same….
    But if Remington’s marketing copy get your excited I guess we can take your review as pure genius.
    If I find myself in a gunfight – I’ll take the extra shell.
    If I find myself drinking chardonnay with my lady friends, I guess I can have a conversation about whether a gun part oxidizes or turns blue when immersed in boiling sodium hydroxide.

    • Redfoot


  • Luis Valdes

    I handled both at NRAAM.

    The Mossberg has a slightly higher MSRP but the street price is much lower than that. The Remington will have a higher street price.

    So what, it comes with a Magpul forend. Meh…..

    What makes the Mossberg better is the mini-shells. Also the layout of the controls are much better for the Shockwave setup.

    I’m a Remington 870 guy but Big R’s QC has dropped to nothing. I wouldn’t buy an 870 right now. The Norinco Hawk 982 is of better quality than the standard 870s.

    Also the weight of the 870 does not lend itself to the ease and usefulness of a shotgun in this setup.

    In the end, Mossberg won me over.

    Luis Valdes

  • tower

    why would the remington need to have an adapter for mini shells? people have shot mini shells in them for a long time with no problem. My wingmaster says on the barrel 2 3/4 and shorter shells. I even tried the mini aguilas in an express they also cycled. mossberg needs an adapter to fill in the space in their shell lifter, but a Remington lifter is one solid piece.

    • Matt Taylor

      From what I’ve gathered it’s not entirely needed, just highly recommended. It just ensures that the round doesn’t tumble or get canted while you try to force it into the chamber.

  • iksnilol

    So a lighter gun with better capacity and ammo choice is worse due to not being Remington?

    Check your head.

  • Flounder

    I have to disagree with your reciever decision. The aluminium is probably plenty strong and it is lighter! Although, you do include the weight category so that is somewhat fair.

    BUT you give the best finish to the 870 because of blueing on the mossberg…*facepalm* you can’t blue aluminium now can you? It is anodized…

    The handguard is too valid a point. But second easiest thing to change (pistol grip is first but without any real options).

    But you forget that remington will find a way to stack it’s tolerances and screw up the QC. Who makes the gun should probably be it’s own category.

  • Spencerhut

    I’ve repaired more 870’s and a lesser number of 500/590’s than I care to admit. Open your mind and learn from my experience. Put Remington’s and Mossberg’s QA issues aside, they have both had issues and Remington still does it seems. If the factory sends you crap, send it back until it is right, either gun.

    What breaks?
    On the Mossberg it’s the ejector, trigger group pin or action slide tube assembly usually in that order. On the Remington it’s the ejector, shell latch(s) and the forend tube assembly.

    The big difference it not what breaks, but how hard it is to repair them when they break, and it you shoot them enough, they will both break sooner or later.

    Ejector on the Mossberg is literally a 5 minute job that is impossible for anyone to mess up, even at home with minimal tools. The Remington ejector on the other hand requires
    drilling out two rivets and using a special tool to put them back. No big deal after you have done 10 or so, but a real knuckle biter on the first time you fix one. Mess it up and the receiver could be ruined. This repair leaves rivet heads that don’t match the receiver
    finish when complete and you can live with the new rivet color or get the receiver refinished. Win Mossberg, by a lot.

    Action bars, forend tubes are not a biggie on either to replace. These just wear out on both guns from very aggressive usage. Be just a tad gentle or just plain smooth in what you do and they last much longer.

    Mossberg trigger group pin is a 30 second job and a couple of bucks to replace.

    Remington shell latches are another job requiring special tools and you can ruin the receiver if done improperly. Hammers are involved, it’s easy once you figure out how to do it correctly. You can only deform the metal in the receiver so many times to fix this, so you should really try to do it right the first time. On the Mossberg the shell latches just fall out and it’s super easy to replace one if you need to. Another major win for the Mossberg.

    Both guns can benefit from an upgraded safety, but the Mossberg safety tends to be more intuitive and easier to use for most people right out of the box.

    • bjeremy

      I had an 870 once. It wouldn’t eject spent shells (common problem), so I shipped it back to Remington for repair. They didn’t fix the problem, so I sent it back again (paid for shipping both times, which wasn’t cheap). They didn’t fix the problem the second time either so I sold it for parts and haven’t bought another Remington since.

      • Spencerhut

        That is a common and easily fixed issue. Remington’s repair monkeys are horrible these days.

        • Redfoot

          Way to common and not easily remedied. The hours and money polishing your chamber and a Volquartsen extractor not to even reliably have it work could be better spent on shooting, or buying a benelli or mossberg, or purchasing a used Wingmaster or Police model and refurbishing it.

          • Spencerhut

            Just have to know how to fix it, not a huge deal.

          • Redfoot

            I you have a detailed youtube or webpage on how to do it, please post it. I am serious. I have sent this gun back twice with no true remedy, I would really like to get her running. As of right now I don’t even hunt with it for fear that I cannot get a clean kill due to needing a second shot and not being able to fire one without mortaring the shite out of it.

          • Spencerhut

            I’m an FFL and I do charge $80 an hour and it’s normally 2 hours plus a couple of small parts, assuming your gun has the same thing wrong with it as most of them do. Prices vary depending on what we find when we get your gun.

          • Marko

            I have not handled the new Remington auto loader. The 1100 everybody called it the 550 because it only worked HALF the time in high use. Trap, Skeet etc. But very easy to fix. MOST problems can be avoided with proper maintenence. (KEEP THEM CLEAN) A lesson here. “Pay attention you will see this material again”!

    • iksnilol

      Hmmm… so the Mossberg is as well much easier to repair? Thanks for the info. I don’t really do shotguns.

      • Spencerhut

        They all break sooner or later if you beat on them.

        • bjeremy

          Undoubtedly true, but on the other hand, the three Mossberg shotguns I’ve owned (two pumps and one semi) have all been 100% reliable and never had any issues after thousands of rounds. The 870 didn’t work straight out of the box.

          • Stephen Paraski

            My son has a Western Field (Monkey Wards Mossberg) 12 gauge that is 40 years old and functions as new. My 1st Pheasant gun was a Mossy 20 gauge bolt action. Remington has been paying out on Trigger Deaths for decades. If they were a Auto Company the design would have changed years ago. Green is gone.

        • iksnilol

          True, but from your post it seems like the Mossberg is much easier to repair.

          So looking aside from durability (I believe they’re tied there), the Mossberg should win simply because the repairs are waaay easier.

          • Spencerhut


          • iksnilol

            I wonder how the Russian pump shotguns compare. Like the MP-133.

    • ozzallos .

      Now this is the content tfb needed at the top, not hidden down in the comments vs some layman’s generalized opinion.

    • Marko

      25 years ago I worked in a primarily shotgun store. At that time Mossberg’s PLASTIC safety button, (a great idea but bad in execution) would have high incidences of breaking, disabling the gun. We carried hundreds of them in stock. Usually sold a couple to the customer after the repair on our warranty guns. I have heard they have since gone back to metal, True?

      • Marko

        oops, That and the Aluminum receiver turn me off.

  • RSG

    I’ve heard shotgun experts take on these shorties- and the most important issue they’ve brought up is having the strap on this length pump. Since I’m not a shotgun guy, I wouldn’t know first hand. But when a guy like Clint smith says the strap is vitally important to prevent the hand slipping past the muzzle, and I’m listening. I like the mlock for affixing a flashlight. But the strap seems so much more vital to me. Otherwise, I see everything else as equal, except capacity. So, between the strap and capacity, if I was looking to buy one or the other, it would be the mossberg.

    • iksnilol

      + it ain’t hard to bolt on a flashlight to the corncob grip either. Just be a bit handy.

  • Steve

    Personally, I just prefer the 870 platform because it’s what I grew up with… but your comparison clearly indicates to me that the 570 is the better of these two packages. One extra shell, lighter, and a better fore-end (the Magpul STOCK is great… the fore-end, not so much) – the 570 is clearly the better of these two gimmick guns.

    • Steve

      Also – “Since the Remington 870 is so fresh to the market…”


  • nova3930

    Still want a shockwave to throw a folding brace on.

  • Roguewriter

    I have a hard time believing that ANY new production gun from Remington is safe to use, let alone be better than something else. KelTec is better quality more consistently these days.

  • spencer60

    Remington’s is a lawsuit waiting to happen… As soon as someone blows their hand off they will dump this product line so fast it will make your head spin.

  • rennsport4.4TV8

    This has to be bait. Right?

    • ShooterPatBob

      I think so. Everyone seems to agree that most of the author’s points show the Mossberg as being superior.

  • FFL dealer

    TIL The Remington 870 is new the market.

  • Kekistani

    This is just one data point, but i shot the remington at a demo this past weekend and the extractor broke after 20 or so rounds.

  • Kekistani

    How do you rate the 870 better with one less round capacity? 1 extra round outweighs all other considerations.

  • Some Rabbit

    I still don’t get the point of these guns. The overall length of a pistol grip shotgun (with or without a folding stock) and an 18.5″ barrel is exactly the same (26.25″). So you shorten the barrel and add that to the grip and accomplish what?

    • Cymond

      I’d rather have that length behind me than in front of me. It’s easier to hold a stick in the middle than on one end.

  • car54

    Battle Royal where no shots are fired? What is that a slap fight? I carried a Pistol grip Mossberg “cruiser” in my patrol car for awhile, wish I’d had one of these instead.

  • ConcernedRSO

    Both of these just reek of the mentality of “pump this bad boy and the bad guys will be running” they should not exist and I’ve watched too many novice shooters receive pretty decent facial trauma from shooting these improperly

  • Joe Moore

    Judging by your list, the Mossberg is the clear winner… The capacity advantage breaks the otherwise tie contest.
    But you skimmed over that the Mossberg also has ambidextrous controls, another advantage.
    Really, it comes down to preference, to which either is a great gun. But based off of just starts, Mossberg wins.

  • Vizzini

    Since this seems to fall into a narrow gap in the laws, does it turn you into a felon if you put a shoulderable stock on it?

    • kcshooter

      Yes, with a stock it becomes a short barrelled shotgun and requires a NFA stamp.

    • AlDeLarge

      It become an AOW if you put a real pistol grip on it, too.

      • Vizzini

        It just seems like a pain-in-the-butt ineffective weapon. I’d rather add the extra inches to the barrel so I didn’t have to worry about the stock. Far more controllable with the extra weight and stock. Who really wants to use a shotgun without a stock, anyway?

  • Redfoot

    Lets talk tube extensions. To get the remington up the the mossberg’s capacity will take a tube extension that cost between $55 and $75. Does anyone know or has anyone asked if this Remington 870 has those annoying tabs in the magazine that will not let you attach a mag extension without pounding or drilling them out. They are present on my 870 3.5 in magnum and a few other models. So to get the mag capacity equal you are looking at an expensive or really expensive (and possibly risky) alteration to the Remington. Versus $25 to $30 for a foregrip to the Mossberg that some people may not even want or need (I would probably go for it).

  • JSmath

    Tang safety makes the Mossberg superior to the Remington no matter the other features.

  • Ratcraft

    Like radio said about pie….. “I want bowf”

  • Tierlieb

    Among the jokes about black oxide/blueing, aluminum vs steel and the 20% capacity decrease on the Remington, has anyone noticed the praise for being able to use min shells on the Mossi?

    Unless something has changed quite recently, I would not expect them to feed on any Mossberg. The standard shell lifter/elevator tends to stab reasonably short shells (like 12/67.5 competition slugs) and then bind up on them. That’s why gunsmiths usually extend the thing. Minishells should be even worse off.

    Still a great article since it prompted user Spencerhut’s comment below about common issues with both systems.

    • AlDeLarge

      You missed the part about the OPSol Mini-Clip. It takes up space in the feed area, allowing the mini-shells to feed properly. They don’t make one for the Remington.

  • kcshooter

    Be objective, fanboy.
    Handstrap wins, lighter weight aluminum wins, 5+1 wins, unmentioned intuitive ambi safety wins, and everything else on the list is a wash, which clearly puts Mossberg well above the Remington in this case.

    • AlDeLarge

      It’s not even a real pistol grip.

  • Wow!

    The remington is inferior because of the action release. You have to break your firing grip to actuate it and the whole point of a shotgun is to swap ammo fast, making that action release location very important. Not to mention the mossberg has an ambi and visually clear safety, although that is more of a training issue since it only has to be actuated once when you pick up the gun, and once when you let it go.

  • Ruger Shooter

    I have nothing against Remington, but I would pick the Mossberg. I feel that the handstrap on the Mossy is an absolute necessity and that you better use it. Imagine your hand sliding forward off the slide (slippery from sweat, goo, blood) just when you lit off another one………

  • THaleyhandcream

    I read down as far as I could but is no one going to bring up the “Since the Remington 870 is so fresh to the market it is yet to be seen if OPSol will produce something compatible for their shotgun as well” quote? Earliest reference to OPsol Clip (per 2 seconds of google so probably earlier) is May 2016… clearly not designed specifically for the Mossberg Shockwave. The 870 has been around since the 50’s… so how is the 870 “fresh to the market?”

  • CavScout

    Unlike the Rem 870, the Mossberg passed the military trial. I can’t believe the 870 has lingered as the tacticool police shotgun for so long.

    • Tierlieb

      Technically speaking, only the 590 A1 passed the test. The normal 590 didn’t and the Shockwave seems to be a normal 590 judging from the stats. And even if it was, it lacks the bayonet lug, so it would not pass.

      Trivialities? Yes. But so were the military requirements.

      Both the Remingtom 870 and the Mossberg 590 are good, proven guns and in a rational selection process, both would have made it through the selection process.

  • Stephen Paraski

    Mossberg is tops.

  • whamprod

    Since I already own a 590, I’d go with the Shockwave. I’m a lefty, and the Mossberg safety gets my business……and given Remington’s quality and customer service issues lately, Mossberg is a no-brainer. Unfortunately (and almost unbelievablely), neither weapon is legal in Texas, where I live. Color me sad face. {:•/)

  • supergun

    My shockwave has the MAGPUL Furniture on it. I like the Mossberg better.

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Blind people would be able to tell just as easily as the non-blind. All you have to do is open your eyes or feel the fore-end.

  • ToddB

    With these 2 shotguns, which is better comes down to brand loyalty. If you prefer the Remington, thats the one thats better. I have never been fond of the Remington, being a lefty I prefer the controls of the Mossberg. I dont see the aluminum receiver an issue, the one in my 30yo 500 still works fine. And nobody has reported a drop in Mossberg quality like there has been with Remington products.

  • charlessmall18

    The discussion failed to mention the inherently ambidextrous Mossberg 500 line’s safety which on top of the rear of the receiver. Very handy. But if they are still come from the factory made out of plastic, metal replacements are both inexpensive and a good idea. Also, the way the bolts lock up with the barrel means the steel receiver of the Remington confers no real advantage over the Mossberg’s aluminum one other than it can rust.

  • Bronson

    Two years ago I bought a Remington 870P and it was the worst firearms purchase I’ve ever made. I had read all the negative reviews, but thought they might’ve been overblown (people are more likely post negative experience than positive ones) and that if I got a police model I’d be good (supposedly more QC procedures). It’s very finicky about what shells it will feed reliably (I’ve found it only cycles Remington shells reliably) and it’s a rust magnet. Honestly, I should sell it before Remington completely trashes its name.

  • James T Kirk

    Anecdotal evidence bores me… *yawns*

  • maodeedee

    Remington 870’s used to be great guns. So did Marlins back when Remington and Marlin were GUN companies and before they were taken over by Cerebus capital management, AKA “The Freedom Group”.

    What the new parent company must had done was to fire all quality control inspectors and qualified people in the repair departments and customer service departments and replace them with minimum wage employees and used car salesmen.

    I spent the good part of a year dealing with the Remington repair facility in Madison North Carolina and I will never buy a new Remington or Marlin or H&R firearm again. Mossberg makes good guns and has good customer service but they really need to make the shockwave in 20 gauge and offer it with a pistol grip. The Raptor bird’s head grip LOOKS “Cool” but is not as good for handling recoil as an actual pistol grip.

  • Richard Lutz

    Clearly the safety catch is in a better position on the Remington for quick and easy manipulation in a high stress situation.

    • 2ThinkN_Do2

      Nothing is clear, for it would seem clearly better to have a fore-end strap than not; to prevent someone from grabbing it away or from hand slipping off . . . in a High Stress situation. In addition, you could hold with the strap and beat them with it, easier as well . .. if it came down to that.

  • James T Kirk

    I, in no way, see how any of these things amount to a win for the Remington. The 870/500/590 debate has been going on since 9mm vs 45cp, revolver vs semi-auto, and AR vs AK. It has always came down to preference and I see no reason why that isn’t the stance taken in this comparison. If anything I would say the Mossberg has more features. Does Freedom group subsidize these articles? 🙂

  • William Kushner

    some of the worst quality control ive seen from Remington and eagerness to resolve, My m700 police that I ordered through my wholesaler was one of the worst nightmares Ive ever experienced from Remington, long story short it took me 8 months to get me a gun without issues( back and forth to remington for rework instead of replacing) Horrible, mass burrs in the throat area ect Two guns in a firgging row!!.Im done with Remington for a while!
    Love My Mossberg!

  • Lucas_D

    Nothing against Remington, but I prefer the tighter lockup and more powerful hull ejection on a Mossberg shotty. My 870 was a good gun, but the action was so loose that I could cycle it in and out of battery without touching the foreend.

  • Colonel K

    Sorry to be so late to the debate but I just found my last few weeks worth of TFB emails in my SPAM folder (and here I was, thinking TFB just didn’t like me anymore). I regularly work on both Mossberg and Remington shotguns, including SBS and AOW rebuilds. The aluminum vs. steel receiver is a non-issue. Both guns use steel-on-steel lockup. If you want more weight, just add some tacti-cool accessories to the Mossberg (Personally, I prefer to keep things simple and streamlined). In my experience the Mossberg has superior ergonomics, with it’s well placed action bar release and intuitive ambidextrous safety. If you decide to add a pistol gripped arm brace, then the Remington safety will be easier to reach (for southpaws, you can install a LH safety in the 870). But the clincher for me is that I’ve never jammed a Mossberg while loading it, but i have jammed the Remington. Fumbling the loading process or short-stroking the action bar can allow a shell to slip under the loading gate/shell lifter/elevator of the Remington. When this happens, it’s time to get out the pocket knife or screwdriver to free it. This doesn’t happen with the Mossberg since the elevator is skeletonized. If you prefer the feel and handling of the 870, this problem can be alleviated by installing an aftermarket skeletonized lifter. So there’s room to please everyone.