Holosun’s New Titanium Red Dots | NRA 17

Holosun’s new HS530G is made of titanium. The coating on these titanium sights is called sputtering. A sputter coat is very thin compared to traditional coatings on aluminum like anodizing. A sputter coat thickness is in nanometers where as anodizing is measured in mils.

These new sights will come in two different flavors. Battery powered or Holosun’s solar/battery power. HS530C is the solar powered unit and the HS530G is the battery only unit.

The subltle swelling of the front bell reminds me of a Trijicon MRO.

These new red dots will now have three reticle options you can select from. Circle only, dot only. circle dot Eotech style.

 

The new HS530 red dots are still aimpoint T1 mount compatible.

The HS530G and HS530C will retail for $500. That is a little bit steep considering you can buy a Trjicon MRO for almost $100 less. While I like the Holosun optic I have, I just do not see it being equal in price to my Trijicon MRO. Even though this new optic is made out of titanium, I do not see much benefit other than a cool feature to upcharge for the optic. What is wrong with making it out of Aluminum and keeping the price point down. That is what attracts shooters to Holosun. Their price point allows them to buy two optics for the price of the big names like Aimpoint and Trijicon.





Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • Miles Smith

    Msrp is 500, but i’m betting the street price will be well under 400, probably closer to 350, holosun also includes a quality qd mount.

    An MRO with non qd mount can be had for about 450 at the lowest.

  • RSG

    $500?? Holosun has jumped the shark and turned their back on the ONLY reason why folks ever bought their optics in the first place.

    • Juggernaut

      If you don’t like it you don’t have to buy it.

      • jonp

        Most won’t at that price point

      • Flounder

        He does like it, and he wants it. Like me! Like most of us! Just that is a stupid price.

        • Jared Vynn

          It’s titanium, there is a material cost added on.

          • Tom Currie

            Yes there is a material cost — BUT there simply isn’t any matching material benefit.

            Titanium is a little more than half the weight of steel for an identical piece. So there is some trivial weight advantage.

            On the other hand, aluminum is a little more than half the weight of Titanium and about one-third the weight of steel.

            For that matter, if weight is that much of a concern, Delrin is about one-quarter the weight of Titanium, and is entirely strong enough and rigid enough for real world applications. (Beating a holographic sight with a rock is a test that only gun magazine writers and bloggers are going to do)

            Yes, yes, yes… No one is going to trust a “plastic” sight — just like no one was going to trust a plastic pistol in 1982

        • iksnilol

          Have y’all thought that the extra price is not the titanium but better QC?

          • bjensen

            Since when does anything actually sell for MSRP?
            (granted “hot” items can sell for more then that initially but only to those to impatient to wait for prices to stabilize/drop to “normal”)

    • LGonDISQUS

      Diversifying markets. Look at Shimano’s history.

  • micmac80

    In any case you can expect it also under SIg label with even higher price , lets not pretend , Holosun manufactures red dots for many ‘brands’ and might already be on par with the top dogs.

    • CavScout

      Actually, tons of cheaper companies are putting out the same models for much less. Looks like another TRS-25. Proves that quality needs to be more than skin deep. You can’t look at and feel something and claim it’s quality.

  • plumber576

    Talked to the guys at the boot about this. The version shown is still a prototype and when it hits shelves it will be AImpoint T1/T2 mount compatible.

  • Gary Kirk

    K, let’s give them the same mid grade glass, electronics, and engineering.. But put it in an expensive metal housing, and charge as much as the high end guys..

    • EC

      In this case by the housing alone the Holosun would be more advanced than the “high end guys”. The Trijicon MRO, for example, is only made out of aluminium.

      • Gary Kirk

        Which has been proven to be more than reliable, and if you’re breaking 7075 forged aluminum.. Guess what else is going to break..

        • EC

          So are you saying that I shouldn’t be worried about the durability of part A of my firearm just because part B might also break?

          That’s silly for a number of reasons.

          First off, just because part A breaks doesn’t mean that part B was subject to the same stresses or shocks. My sight might get smacked in a way that leaves my receiver untouched, which is one of the ways in which it pays to have a strong sight.

          Second off, a stronger part A carries benefits even if part B breaks. In such a situation, I do not have to replace both parts, only one of them. This makes replacement much easier than it would otherwise be.

          If your logic was true, then it would make no sense to make any part of a rifle stronger than its weakest link… arguably the opposite philosophy of most firearm and accessory design.

          • Gary Kirk

            Ok sparky, do what you do.. I’m not buying the snake oil “titanium sight”.. If it’s up your mall ninjas alley, by all means go ahead and bite.. But to your point, say said optic is “Uber durable”, beyond the limits of the firearm it’s attached to. Bang the Hell outta it, don’t damage the optic, but.. Now you’ve distorted your upper.. But, at least now your club has a RDS..

          • EC

            Would you rather have:

            1) A destroyed sight and a distorted upper

            or

            2) A working sight (that can easily be moved to another rifle) and a distorted upper

            This seriously isn’t rocket science.

          • Gary Kirk

            Well, in a firefight.. I’d rather ditch a broken optic, and have a functional rifle..

          • EC

            Well if in that firefight your optic didn’t break because it was made out of titanium instead of aluminium, you’d have both a functional rifle and a functional RDS if you went with Holosun.

            It’s simple really. Stronger sights are better than weaker sights, and as long as you can afford to pay for one there’s no reason not to.

          • GI

            Not trying to be rude, but just because it’s titanium doesn’t make it stronger. In fact titanium is significantly less rigid than aluminum, which makes it less than ideal for this application.

            Making the housing out of titanium is nothing more than a marketing gimmick designed to separate the uninformed from their money. Good luck in your future purchases.

          • iksnilol

            Not really, titanium is more flexible. Aluminium cracks/shatters instead of bending.

          • GI

            Do you really think that this is the first time it has occurred to anyone to use titanium for an optic? Do you think that no one would have used before now if it were actually “better”?

          • iksnilol

            Some good Japanese optics are made outta titanium. Nobody is harping on those. There’s also magnesium scopes.

            Aluminium is the most common, I’ll admit that, but it doesn’t have to be the best.

          • GI

            Agreed.

          • LGonDISQUS

            This times ten. Read twenty minutes of materials science for steel, CF, Alu, and Ti, and people will understand the purpose for each material ♡♡♡

      • Gary Kirk

        Oh, and it’s not “more advanced”.. It’s just utilizing a different material..

        • EC

          A stronger, better material.

          It’d be like if I tried to make a sight out of cardboard and explain it away as “just utilizing a different material” than what you would find in an MRO… obviously the MRO has superior materials. Likewise, the Holosun has superior materials to an MRO.

          • Gary Kirk

            Outside of glass, electronics, and engineering..

          • EC

            What’s to say that those components are necessarily worse than what Trijicon can come up with?

          • Gary Kirk

            Ever use one?

          • EC

            EOTech, yes. And a Holosun. Didn’t exactly go around bashing either, but really the differences are… minor to non-existent from a user perspective.

            It’s silly to argue that Holosun isn’t capable of advanced engineering or design because they’re Chinese. We’re talking about the country that makes our quality smartphones and that’s jumping ahead in terms of supercomputers and quantum tech.

            If they wanted to, they could easily make anything of Trijicon quality. And at this MSRP, it seems like they want to.

          • Gary Kirk

            EOTech.. Nuff said, do what you want man.. I ain’t drinking the kool aid

          • bjensen

            No but from the sound of things you aren’t even willing to “take a sip” simply because they are made in China, Will these stack up well against the MRO? To early to tell, but just because the target market was different the Trijicon previously doesn’t mean the company isn’t capable of more

  • dave

    I think its a great idea. They bring something to market nobody else has. A titanum optic. Theres a lot of guys, myself included, that dont think aluminum is necessarily what id trust my life to if it comes down to it.

    • Gary Kirk

      What’s your rifle made of???

      • Cal S.

        American will power, that’s what!

      • Jared Vynn

        Wood, Jakob’s is the only rifle for me. One shot only needed saves money on ammo.

      • iksnilol

        Steel…. and some wood.

    • GI

      I guess the fact that they make airplanes out of aluminum means you won’t be flying ever again?

    • GI

      Oh, I almost forgot to mention… Do you know what metal the space shuttle is made from? Not titanium! Yep you guessed it, it’s aluminum!

  • TDog

    Why titanium? I’m not a materials engineer and I’m not trying to be sarcastic or whiny here – I’m really curious. It seems to me that aluminum works just fine and titanium just adds to the cost. Are the weight savings really that much of an advantage?

    • EC

      Not necessarily weight savings… titanium is actually more dense (heavier for the same volume) than aluminium.

      But what this means is that you can make thinner walls as titanium is significantly stronger than aluminium. This would lead to weight savings. Or you could make a heavier sight that would be significantly stronger than an aluminium sight of the same volume.

      There’s also the advantage of course that titanium is much more corrosion and rust-resistant than aluminium. If the finish were to wear away on an aluminium sight, eventually rust would settle in much more quickly than with a titanium sight.

      So titanium is stronger, lighter (assuming you use less of it), and more environmentally resistant than aluminium.

      • Flounder

        EC is totally right. Titanium is heavier and wayyyy more expensive. It is also much more dependent on quality of manufacturing process to produce a great product. The only reason to go with it over aluminum is strength and lightness compared to steel.

        I won’t bite on the corrosion or rust resistance vs Aluminium though.

        • LGonDISQUS

          Ti is a b!+(# on machine tools too. 🙁

      • GI

        Aluminum is dramatically more rigid than titanium for the same weight. Which is why your AR is made from it (besides economy).

        Also, ever notice how all rifle scopes are aluminum? Even the $4000+ ones? Not to mention that every optic that any real operator uses is also aluminum.

        I think I’m going to go with the choice that has served the top members of our military operators under the toughest conditions: aluminum! You can go with the mall ninja’s choice.

        • EC

          You can go with the military’s “lowest bidder” choice, sure. Have fun with that.

          As a civilian of course I am not confined to what bureaucrats, politicians, and lobbyists force our military to buy. As a civilian I don’t have to equip thousands of soldiers on taxpayer money.

          • GI

            $4000 aluminum scopes are made by the lowest bidder??? Okey dokey then…

  • thedonn007

    I would much rather buy a Trijicon MRO, if I were to sepnd that much.

    • ElMateo487

      This is MSRP people…… lol

      • thedonn007

        Exactly. I will still want a MRO for the money. If the holosun was $200 or less, I would buy it.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    Titanium seem extreme for the product. Most of the problems you hear about form red dots don’t involve problems with the housing that titanium would fix. It also adds a lot of weight.

    • noob

      The titanium is only a nanometer thick sputter coating.

      And finally, monsieur, a waffer-thin mint.

      • Flounder

        The very first sentence is This new sight is made of titanium. The coating is something else.

        • noob

          Ah whoops. I sure read that wrong

      • Harry’s Holsters

        So it doesn’t add any weight but doesn’t add a significant amount of strength either?

        • noob

          Well i think i got it wrong and the scope is titanium metal with a sputter coating of something else. You’d only sputter titanium over steel for corrosion resistance.

  • noob

    Didn’t tfb review a previous generation as Unsuitable At Any Range? Will the new Holosun survive 12ga recoil?

    • Flounder

      To be fair, he buggered the factory mount himself (but the mounts are known to have issues but since they are free and totally replacable with AMAZING options since they are aimpoint compatable… I cant justify the smear piece that last article was), and when his holosun had issues holosun warranteed it without any issues or pulling any TFB credit. And it was the very first gen, they have gotten better since then.

      But idk why in the world they are doing titanium, it is a bad choice… Sure i guess it makes it stronger but no one believes they are direct competition to Aimpoint or Trijicon which is what this appears to be trying to do.

    • Nicholas C

      We did. But I have not had any of the issues he had. Mine works great.

  • GI

    I can not imagine picking a Holosun over a Trijicon MRO for anywhere near the price of an MRO. For half the price? Sure.

  • UVB76

    Maybe they want to see if they can throw their hat into the contract ring with the bigger players in the premium markets? I wonder if they are wanting to do a line of enhanced or “hardened” units to go head to head with Aimpoint, Mepro, EoTech, Trijicon, and Elcan on the foreign military/leo markets? Quite a few countries are working on upgrading their small arms, and it’s not a stretch that they will look to enhance the optic components as well. I could see Holosun’s models finding their way into the Asia/SE Asia defense market being able to bid under what Aimpoint’s been comanding over the last 15 years. It seems to be working on the Sig Romeo lineup. I believe Vortex secured some foreign Asian contracts – if I’m not mistaken. That price point is in the window and they are in the top tier of battery life offerings.

  • kalashnikev

    Is the housing what’s failing on their stuff? I thought it was the circuit?

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Reading an article comparing Aluminum to Titanium reveals some advantages. Titanium will not deteriorate from the elements, Titanium will absorb vibration; which will aid in dealing with firearm recoil. However, it is way more expensive than aluminum, which is why it costs more. Titanium is also stronger, but is also denser. You could however, make a thinner walled product equally as strong, which may weight somewhat less. Titanium per the article is more difficult to work though and requires more precision in using. Which also adds to the cost to produce. Bottom line: Titanium is a good choice if you can afford it or you need something weather proof that will be long lasting.