Daniel Defense DDWAVE 3D Printed Suppressor | NRA 17

I got a chance to check out the new Daniel Defense DDWAVE at the American Suppressor Association Media Day here at the NRA Annual Meeting 2017.

Pete just posted an article announcing this new suppressor from Daniel Defense.

It is a 3D printed Suppressor rated for up to .300 Win Mag.

The can is 3D printed using a laser sintering process. According to the DD representative, their build tray can fit 30 cans and takes one week to simultaneously print thirty cans.

The serialized part of the DDWAVE is the QD locking ring at the back of the suppressor.

Upon looking into the suppressor I can see that it has a very long blast chamber. Approximately the same length as the ridges you see running along side the exeterior of the can.

 

Daniel Defense had the can mounted onto a 5.56 rifle and performed as well as a regular suppressor.

The new @danieldefense #ddwave #3dprintedsuppressor shooting 5.56 @americansuppressor @nraam2017

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The DDWAVE is neat but I wouldn’t say it was revolutionary. The baffle design is still a mystery until we get to see a dissected version. The noise reduction was pretty standard but we were under a roof and that might have added to the noise level.

While this Suppressor did not wow me as much, the concept does. 3D Printing is a fad with regards to suppressor manufacturing. Sure it is handy for rapid prototyping a design. It is cheaper to print a prototype and somewhat faster to a certain degree. To a certain point mass manufacturing with 3D printers plateaus and it gets more expensive and time consuming. Look at this particular product. It takes them a week to just print 30 cans. That is not including assembly and any other post processing work needed to be done with these. 30 cans in just 1 week is terrible. You could make 3 cans in probably a couple hours with conventional machining. Now of course there are pros and cons to both. But on the face of it, 3D printing a final product is not fast nor cheap which is why I think this won’t last long for this application.

However it does offer some interesting opportunities. You can print an object with different geometry that you could not make using traditional manufacturing methods. Hopefully Daniel Defense takes advantage of this technology and pushes the limits that can only be realized through 3D printing.





Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • PersonCommenting

    If HPA passes there is going to be 50 dollar suppressors. Look in the UK, you can get a decent one there for 250 GBP.
    Just imagine what theyd sell for here with gun ownership being ten times the amount of UK.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    3D printed… And THAT is their blast chamber/baffle? Not buying that. Most likely they have some 3D printed components, the blast baffle not being one of them.

    Also I sure af wouldn’t be the first person to buy one.

    • PersonCommenting

      I never get why people dont trust manufactures to do their job. No one questions their tires and the manufactures who make them. Why so much pressure on gun manufactures? Never got it.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Well, I’m in manufacturing, and you are giving people too much credit. But maybe also because of obviously stupid things like:

        The can is 3D printed using a laser sintering process. According to the
        DD representative, their build tray can fit 30 cans and takes one week
        to simultaneously print thirty cans.

        Sintered pressure can… wow. And 30 a week, is a whole 1500 a year if they keep a very expensive machine running 24/7/365. Those numbers don’t add up to a product that will make a ROI. This is stupid.

        • PersonCommenting

          Im not talking about ROI which is important, but I am talking about the proof that the can works which you dont think it will. Do you really think theyd release something in country where a criminal running from the police successfully sued a homeowner whos fence the criminal was hopping over fell and broke his arm on? The answer is no. They wouldnt release something that was dangerous or didnt work. Especially in the gun community where our expectations are extremely high.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            DD releases a clickbait product that is not feasible to produce, they aren’t going to sell because of this, and you’re blindly defending it because it’s a company that made it… of course no company ever releases bad product.

            Ok.

          • PersonCommenting

            Im not saying that a company never releases a bad product. I dont even own a DD nor do I ever plan on owning one unless this can came at a decent price. Im just saying the level of scrutiny we put on some manufactures is just silly. If it were real and was released tomorrow I guarantee it would work. You are probably different as you have a background in manufacturing but I hear so many guys who want forged steel and chrome lined and want to know the types and they dont know what any of that means. It is just a talking point. Theyd never ask the same things of their car seller or mechanic or anything else they buy but for some reason guns are different. Again I think you are a bigger minority than you know as you know what you are talking about. That is my point.

    • Charlie Taylor

      Just got back from the ASA media day myself. The whole baffle stack is in fact 3D printed as one unit. I didn’t ask them but I bet you the can is then wire EDM’d to ensure concentricity of the bore.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Then in what low energy low imagination designer made the blast barrel exactly into a typical machinable surface!?

        They could have done any number of nom-machinable touches to improve strength.

  • PK

    “3D Printing is a fad”

    That is an extremely foolish statement. You may as well say 5-axis CNC is a fad. It’s a modern industrial process, here to stay.

    • Blake

      I know right? What a moronic statement to make. I don’t even have a metal-capable printer but between my printer, Polymax filament, and the Polysher I can print replacements for anything that breaks in my home, modify anything I own to my heart’s content, and create enclosures for my electronics projects that look like they were injection molded.

    • randomswede

      Well, they said that about the internet too, it’s going to revolutionize how we communicate and do business, bla. bla. Computers, television, automobiles were all heralded as things of the future where are they today?

      I rather hope what “Nicholas C” was trying to say is something along the lines of “3D printing is a fashionable word that doesn’t necessarily equate to innovation or quality”.
      I suspect plastic 3D printers are going to be like lawn mowers in about a decade; nothing to get excited about, if you need one you have one and it’s a pain-in-the-behind when it wont start.

    • BravoSeven

      He really called 3D printing a fad, didn’t he? I read that sentence and paragraph over and over believing that I had surely misunderstood what he was trying to convey.

      Kids today with their hip hop, rock and roll and fancy 3D printing. It’ll never stand the test of time.

    • Nicholas C

      I do not see it as a viable method to mass manufacture a product. Show me where you can mass produce an item with speed in 3D printing? I did not explain myself well. I see 3D Printing for final products as a bandaid solution. It takes them 1 week to print 30 cans. They might have more than one printer but that is painfully slow. And it isnt that cheap to make either.

      3D printing is dubbed “rapid prototype” for a reason. It isnt “Fast and final production”

      People who are satisfied with 3D Printed parts are doing so with compromise. Yes making small runs is cheaper than tooling up for final production. But you cannot argue that a printed part is as good as a machined component.

      • glenn cheney

        I still can’t figure out why a 45 ACP friendly house doesn’t CNC me some AR 15 bbls. in .45 ACP, LEO’s have lonely side arms in need of SBR’s.

        • Nicholas C

          Why not just get that new CMMG Guard? It is a 16″ .45acp AR.

      • iksnilol

        You can print multiple cans at once, that’s what Tronrud does here in Norway.

        • Nicholas C

          Yes you can. As mentioned in the article above. Their build tray can only hold 30 parts at a time. So 30 cans takes one week is not a great turnaround time in terms of mass manufacturing. |

          If you go and try to 3D print multiple parts, at a certain point it is diminishing returns.

      • BravoSeven

        Do you believe we should disregard 3D all together because current technology isn’t as fast as more established methods?

        • Nicholas C

          Not at all. However there must be some added benefit to 3D printing. I am not seeing it here in the DDWAVE to justify making them other than “look what we made”.

          Is it stronger than a conventional can? Is it quieter? Is it lighter? Those are priorities for the consumer.

          Is it cheaper to make? Is it faster to make? Are we making more profit on this? Concerns for the manufacturer.

          Point out where the DDWAVE fits in those criteria.

          If you want one because it is 3D printed then that is your preference and happy for you. But right now, this can doesnt do anything magical that traditional cans don’t already do.

      • Jerry

        “But you cannot argue that a printed part is as good as a machined component.”

        With all due respect, yes I can. The technology is not as far behind as you might think. The process we use (stainless steel material, no less) gives us 99.99% parent material properties of a part machined from the same billet material.

        If anyone is likely to be behind, it is the gun industry. They are slowly catching up to what other folks have been doing for years.

        • Nicholas C

          It depends on what priorities you set. Mass manufacturing cost and time are important. That is not really possible with 3D printing. At a certain point 3D printing is not cost effective and slow compared to regular mfg processes.

          • Jerry

            It’s all about the application, and how much tooling a person is willing to amortize on a product being entered in to an extremely flooded market coupled with time to market… Extremely low time to market with minimal tooling investment. Minimal logistics chain. Rarely is the final manufacturing method set in stone – especially at the beginning of a product launch. DD did it right. They can introduce a product much quicker and less expensive and get a feel for customer response. As that happens they can spend money on tooling and logistics for increase production – vs investing all that money at once on something that may not sell well. All they have in this so far is design time, testing time, marketing and raw material.

          • Nicholas C

            Don’t forget about the 3D printer. That is very expensive.

          • Jerry

            the 3d printer is a resource for not only short run product quantity, but also R&D related activities without sacrificing production resources in their machine shop. I’m not going to tell you how to shoot or review guns; however, I’ve been in the weapon design, development and production business for 22 years – DD did it right. The only difference is I’m not allowed to advertise my wares on a blog like this.

  • “3D Printing is a fad.” What in the holy hell are you saying?! Let me guess, you think smartphones are about to go the way of cassette tapes too.

  • Keiichi

    Edit: spoke too soon… this is what I get for skimming the front page…

  • Blake

    Wow I just lost all of my respect for this writer, which is incredibly depressing. Saying 3D printing is a fad when it’s been in consumer’s homes for well over 10 years, can create not only prototypes but finished products as well, and has launched an entire movement of new makers might be the most moronic thing I’ve heard in years.

  • MIke H

    So how does it mount? Proprietary QD mount? Or can it attach to a standard A2 flash suppressor like many Gemtechs?

  • UpChuck.Liberals

    I want that 3D printer. If the sintering can handle the pressure of a suppressor it sure as heck will work just fine for lowers, trigger groups etc.

  • Rico Balagbag

    D D W A V E*

    • plumber576

      A E S T H E T I C

  • Saint Stephen the Obvious

    “3D Printing is a fad with regards to suppressor manufacturing”

    Seriously?

    I guess we can add this quote to all the others…

    I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won’t last out the year. The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957

    But what… is it good for?
    An engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, commenting on the microchip in 1968.

    There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in their home. – Ken Olson (President of Digital Equipment Corporation) at the Convention of the World Future Society in Boston in 1977

    No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer. 640K ought to be enough for anybody. – Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft, in 1981

    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former. – Albert Einstein

    Blessings to you and yours,

    Saint Stephen the Obvious

  • Vet for Trump

    Too darned expensive.