Breaking News: ATF Reverses Its Stance On Shouldering Stabilizing Braces

SB Tactical just released astounding news. The ATF has reversed their stance on shouldering “Stabilizing Braces”

Saint Petersburg, Fla. (April, 25, 2017) – SB Tactical™, inventors and manufacturers of the Pistol Stabilizing Brace®, is excited to announce that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) has issued SB Tactical a reversal letter containing a sensible clarification of the Bureau’s position on the lawful use of SB Tactical braces.

The new clarification of opinion letter states, “an NFA firearm has not necessarily been made when the device is not reconfigured for use as a shoulder stock – even if the attached firearm happens to be fired from the shoulder. To the extent that the January 2015 Open Letter implied or has been construed to hold that incidental, sporadic, or situational “use” of an arm-brace (in its original approved configuration) equipped firearm from a firing position at or near the shoulder was sufficient to constitute “redesign,” such interpretations are incorrect and not consistent with ATF’s interpretation of the statute or the manner in which it has historically been enforced.”

SB Tactical, along with the law offices of Mark Barnes & Associates, have worked tirelessly for more than two years to correct what they believed to be an inaccurate interpretation of “redesign,” related to the Pistol Stabilizing Brace. “It has always been our belief that the addition of our Pistol Stabilizing Brace benefits shooters, both disabled and able-bodied, and that neither strapping it to your arm nor shouldering a brace equipped pistol would constitute ‘redesign’ of a pistol to a NFA firearm”, said Alex Bosco, inventor, founder and CEO of SB Tactical. “We are strongly encouraged by the ATF’s reversal of opinion and commend their willingness to continually review policy, including their own opinions, to ensure public safety and the fulfillment of their mission.”

Both SB Tactical and Mark Barnes & Associates are proud to be at the forefront of protecting and preserving the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans. Mark Barnes echoed Bosco’s praise of the ATF’s new guidance and stated that “it’s clear that the Bureau has no intention or desire to prosecute law abiding citizens using SB Tactical Pistol Stabilizing Braces. Their decision to act should be commended.”

This is historic. Hopefully more information will be forth coming and we get to see this letter.

Click here to read their press release.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • rklk

    ALLOHA SNACKBAR, GOD EMPEROR TRUMP HAS DELIEVERED

    • DW

      This has got to be the best decision in the history of ATF decisions, maybe ever.

    • GUNxSPECTRE

      I doubt he had anything to do with this. He didn’t march into the ATF offices and demand change. He was most likely at Mar a Lago.

      It’s people gathering up material and cases during the previous administration and seeing a more favorable atmosphere to try them. And it looks like they worked.

      But sure. Hyperbole.

      • valorius

        It’s trump. New boss…new culture.

        • GUNxSPECTRE

          Any Republican candidate would’ve brought on this so-called “new culture” (psst, not “new”, just dormant for the past couple of years).

          It’s people who had these cases ready to go seeing the right time to spring, regardless which Repub was POTUS.

          • valorius

            Not any old republican is president- Donald Trump is. He is because he vanquished every republican, every democrat and every MSM talking head that stood in his path. So he gets the credit for the change in culture.

          • GUNxSPECTRE

            So you basically described what the POTUS does when they “win” the election. Every president does that.

            “Vanquished”, huh? Do you happen to have a red hat at home hanging somewhere?

          • valorius

            He didn’t vanquish them? You’re daggone right i voted for Trump. 🙂

          • GUNxSPECTRE

            Well, there you go. :^)

      • 🦑 🐙

        Wait, are you seriously insinuating that if Obama or Hillary were President that the ATF would be supportive of expanding gun and suppressor rights? You are kidding right? Trump is responsible for the change in attitude from our overlords either directly or indirectly. You better believe it.

        • kjack

          >the ATF would be supportive of expanding… suppressor rights?

          Which is why the ATF ruled last month that wipes are silencer parts and can’t be serviced by the owner of the suppressor when they wear out every 15 rounds? That doesn’t sound like expanding suppressor rights to me.

        • GUNxSPECTRE

          No, you’re just projecting. I never said anything about Obama or Hillary.

          These exact things would’ve passed if Rubio, Cruz, or Carson became president. As long as a Republican came into office.

          I thought it was obvious.

  • Claymore

    Wow, fantastic news! Let’s hope this reversal doesn’t get reversed!

    • Sean

      Reversed again you mean. It is likely.

  • Franivelius

    Nice!

  • ExMachina1

    Confirmed. I’m an idiot for SBR-ing my rifle.

    • PK

      Not really, as that $200 becomes a clear, unquestionable legality on your SBR regardless of stock or particular attitude of a particular agent who may see you use said firearm in any way…

      It’s a small price to sort of future proof that and just no longer worry about letters like this. Opinion letters aren’t something to really rely on when it comes to legally grey configurations, they get changed up far too often.

      • But you don’t have to be on a list, notify the ATF if you take your weapon to another state, and SBRs are flat out illegal in some states where AR pistols are legal. Pistol is the way to go more so now then ever.

        • neckbone

          Right on. Pistol for in public. And sbr on your private land while alone.

        • FightFireJay

          We’re already on a list. Probably many lists. Probably on a list for viewing and posting on this website.

      • valorius

        And a permission slip for the ATF to inspect his home, and a ENORMOUS hindrance to moving it across state lines. AMiRight?

        • Liberals are the Enemies!

          They cannot search your house nor come to your house ever if your a citizen with a tax stamp, this apply only to FFLs.

          • clay

            lol, I laughed so hard…

          • Liberals are the Enemies!

            Clay they cant, I am a FFL Type 07/02, they thought I had a certain silencer 3 years ago, insisted it was still in our books, I showed them a form 4, I called the guy and he said they never contacted him, 3 years later they come to my building for an audit which was last week when we had an inventory of about 5000 firearms in the factory, again demanded to me that I had that silencer, I showed them the form 4 again, They said its not in their records, I called the guy, he said in the last 3 years they never called him, I called him again the other day and told him, he said they still never contacted him, I called ATF head quarters, I asked them to call him so they would leave me alone, they said its Privileged TAX information and its against the law for them to go to his house or call him over it. The only way they can is with a court order that they found it in a crime scene, they will never go to your house, its frigan rumors! They wont, they wont, they wont! Matter of fact the last 5 day audit they said where is all these particular machine-guns??? I said they are my personal collection and at my home and its illegal for you to come to my residence to demand to see them, And guess what Clay??? They backed off! They cant, cant, cant! Quit listening to the hype and crap out there! I have been a manufacturer for years, matter of fact with out giving up my name or my company I can guarantee you that you have heard of my company since its all over this country every where, in almost every store in the USA. We made the front covers over the years in Guns and Ammo and other magazines the years I wont tell you or you will narrow me down. Either believe yourself who has no clue about law or believe a seasoned guy who lives it every day. My profile is fake for a reason to protect my identity. I like to rave and talk with out being found out and loose contracts and wholesalers that sell our products.

          • Al Wise

            Thank you for sharing this.

          • Liberals are the Enemies!

            Trust me after the Fast and Furious Debacle I learned much about this government over the years.. There are rouge agents out there still and I encountered 2 of them, In 2010 I had 2 California Agents from El Centro come with out a warrant to my factory and took all my records and thank God I had the originals off premise. I said you need a warrant and they said we are the ATF and we can do what ever we want, that did not go well for them, after I called my friend who was the sheriff of my county.They were told they cannot come back with out approval of the Sheriff. They were covering up their Tracks for Fast and Furious, I had 3 IOI ATF agents come to my office and told me point blank the Justice Department took their lap tops and files and were moving each one to another part of the country. These were good God fearing people and I trusted them, they told me everything…They knew I was an honest man and abidedby the law and had a family and was good to my community, later I got served with gag order from a Federal Judge and was supposed to testify against border dealers which I never sold too, I got out of the court order because my books showed I never sold to them but only wholesalers! The wholesalers sold to them not my company. Whats funny is I called the special agent in charge on the court order and he was like hey man!!! Whens your pistol coming out?? I have 3 of your rifles dude, I was like what the Hell man! I am in dire straits here, heck with the pistol!! My wife was campaigning for office and I ran into a congressman who knew what was going on with my situation and told me they have enough evidence to put Eric Holder behind bars, but to this day it still has not materialized! I am sure glad the Obama Admin is over now! I can only hope they put that liberal in prison.

          • Phillip Cooper

            Hmm, random dude on the internet that won’t give his real name claims his stance is true without any actual case law or evidence.

            Yeah, seems legit to me. Now I’m going to go follow the advice of the guy that said I can make my own fully auto 50BMG so long as I don’t sell it. I heard a guy on the Internet say that, too…

            .. then I’m going to make my very own Iron Man suit out of filmo and cardboard. I saw a dude do that on the net too….

          • Twon Xhijuji

            you pro ably can, stock up on soap

          • Liberals are the Enemies!

            Why would I waste my time writing all of that? What do I gain by it? Simple call ATF… ask them the laws on what I just said and then you will know.

          • neckbone

            Dude go jump off the tallest roof in your area. But film it for us.

          • Phillip Cooper

            Do you feel better now?

          • Liberals are the Enemies!

            Always contact an attorney and contact ATF if your not sure, I dont blame you, I would not trust someone on the internet either. I am going by my situations and advice from attorneys I know and the Agencies I deal with. No matter what there is still a constitution and they still have to abide by it although there are still rouge agents out there. The truth is they cannot come to your house if your a private citizen and you have a legal NFA weapon. They cant man! Call NFA branch (304) 616-4500 ask for Mrs. fields if she is still there. Amy STELY is a supervisor, she will attest they cannot unless a crime has been committed and will more than likely give you the law attached to what I am saying. Remember They work for us!

          • Phillip Cooper

            This is what I”m talking about! Many thanks!

          • neckbone

            I know who you are.

          • Liberals are the Enemies!

            Well keep it to yourself please because I use this name to battle Liberals because I just cannot believe how ignorant they are! They are the cancer of our society and I am getting ready to fly to another planet if they dont find a rock and hide under it LOL! I would like to see this nation divided and build a wall, the liberals have their side and we have ours. We build a wall and let them go bankrupt and kill each other because they will.

          • neckbone

            So do you have to show your tax stamp to any schmoe that asks? Or can you say get a warrant, then come talk to me?

          • Liberals are the Enemies!

            If a Federal Agent comes to you at a shooting range or in the desert and you have a NFA weapon yes you have to show them your stamp! If Law-Enforcement asks you if you have a stamp, you have to show them as well, even though half of them have no clue what they are looking at, you always make copies of originals and keep them where the NFA weapon is..

          • valorius

            My mistake if that’s the case.

        • Al Wise

          There is no problem moving as long as it is legal in your new state, which most are. Nothing to it.

          • valorius

            I found this:

            To move weapons between states two rules apply. An individual
            must get permission from ATF to move machine guns, short rifles,
            short shotguns or destructive devices between states (or to
            temporarily export them) before doing so. This includes taking
            them somewhere to shoot them, or when permanently changing
            residences. There is a form called a 5320.20, and ATF will always
            approve them, and fairly quickly, assuming the purpose (generally
            stated) for the movement is legitimate, and the destination state
            allows the weapon in question. A licensed dealer can move weapons
            (except DD’s) interstate at will, no permission is needed. But
            while most states that otherwise prohibit some or all NFA weapons
            have exceptions for SOT’s, or FFL’s, a few do not, and thus the
            dealer must make sure he will not be breaking any laws. An
            unlicensed individual need not ask permission to move AOW’s or
            suppressor’s interstate, again watch the laws at the target state.
            Having the approved 5320.20 form for a suppressor or AOW can avoid
            hassle while traveling. Lots of folks who think they know
            something about the NFA don’t know you only need permission for
            interstate movement of some NFA weapons. ATF will approve a
            5320.20 for suppressors and AOW’s; they will approve a 5320.20 for
            an FFL also, even if he doesn’t need it by law. A C&R FFL holder
            can move C&R NFA guns interstate without a 5320.20. See 18 U.S.C.
            sec. 922(a)(4) for the statute imposing the 5320.20 requirement.

            —-

            Sounds like a pain in the rear end to me…and don’t you also need the permission of the state you’re going to?

          • Kivaari

            Just file the right paperwork first.

        • Houston Monkey

          You dont lose constitutional rights for owning a Class 3. Not sure who keeps spreading that BS rumor.

      • RSG

        An sbr can’t be carried, loaded in the cab of a vehicle. A pistol can. Also, an sbr can’t be carried, concealed, on your person (like in a backpack). A pistol can. Also, little to no out of state hassles with a pistol. Also, since they are federally regulated, it can be problematic if an SBR is used in a self defense shooting, moreso than with a ordinary firearm. SBR’s are junk.

        • Mark Apsolon

          In my state any firearm with a barrel less then 12″ is a pistol and can be carried concealed with a state “pistol permit”. (I know it does not make sense but that the way the state defines a pistol) That includes an SBR thats under 12″. SBR problematic if used in SD? huh? what? I disagree, if you have the stamp its the same as a non title II firearm if the SBR used in SD. By the way if you think your normal title I firearm is not “registered” then you have never looked at the ATF etrace program.

        • PK

          Everything you stated except crossing state lines is extremely state-dependent. For me, SBRs work better than a pistol with brace. For you, it sounds like your solution is closer to ideal.

          I love the firearms community and how much choice we have, exactly because we have slightly different needs. There’s something for everyone!

  • Twilight sparkle

    *Checks callender
    Today is not the first, time to order a collapsible sig brace 😀

  • Harry’s Holsters

    Time to start an AR pistol build!

    • MIke H

      Yeah… guess it’s time to finish the wife’s 10.5″ “pistol”

      • Harry’s Holsters

        “Wife’s”

        Sure…… haha

    • 🦑 🐙

      I’m having a difficult time – not – buying – another – AR pistol …

  • Jeez Louise

    It’s only common sense. The government should use their brains more.

    • Shawn Murphy

      What brains? The government collective feeds on brains, but they possess none of their own & let’s not even reference “Common Sense”!

  • MichaelZWilliamson

    My attorney and I may have helped prompt this, in a small way: http://imgur.com/gallery/4d1JW

    • I hope they single you out and raid your house one day for being so obnoxious. Helped? About as much as morons who carry long guns into Starbucks.

      • valorius

        Werd.

      • MichaelZWilliamson

        You hope government goons raid people for exercising free speech, questioning their government, and committing no harm?

        Are you on your way to throw rocks at Trump supporters now?

      • Brian Hert

        You want to see someone raided for humorously pointing out the stupidity of a ruling?

      • neckbone

        Wow! Really?

      • Andrew Foss

        Sit down and let me explain you something. You might learn: Without two opposing extremes, there can be no “center”. Consider two blocks, backed by two compression springs. The “extreme” positions are “moving the left side block to the right and the right side block to the left. With no left block, the right prevails. With no right block, the left prevails. This is the entire foundation of our system of government, that of checks and balances.

        I’m aghast at how you advocate a raid on someone who is fully within the law and seeks to clarify an absurd ruling (by positing a prima facie absurd configuration, yet on further reflection does posit a valid legal concern) in order to remain that way. You want to bend over for all and sundry, such is your right, but don’t expect everyone to agree to join you. And definitely expect some resistance to your attempt to use force to compel others to do so. Fascist.

    • Al Wise

      Was that really written by a licensed attorney? Seriously?

      • RSG

        Apparently Benjamin Blatt is licensed to practice law in Indiana.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      Seriously, hoping I get attacked by goons for politely opposing them in writing? And what did you do to help? Or is attacking people anonymously in comments the limits of your ability?

      • Twon Xhijuji

        talking to yourself?

    • Blake

      Man, sending something like that to the ATF takes balls.

      I hope the agent that processed it had a good sense of humor. Their response letter is remarkably professional :-).

  • Treiz

    Alright everybody, now let us once again begin poking the bear asking for ATF letters for our braced pistols! YOU need a letter! and YOU need a letter! EVERYBODY NEEDS A LETTER!!!
    .
    I’m going to get a letter for every one of my lowers! Oh wait! Lowers are on sale now! I NEED EVEN MOAR LETTERS!!!

    • Cymond

      It doesn’t help that it’s ATF’s stance that letters only apply to the individual they’re written for. John can’t rely on Joe’s letter.

  • Cymond

    So, I gotta be “that guy” and ask how they differentiate between lawful shouldering and unlawful shouldering.

    This is good news for the gun community, but is even more confusing than before.

    • Nicholas C

      Dont shoot people and don’t break the law while doing it. Like don’t rob a bank or a convenience store/gas station etc.

    • The only time I’ve ever heard of anyone being charged for shouldering a pistol brace was– surprise surprise– a moron who had already been busted for several other firearm related charges. It’s a prosecutorial lagniappe rule set in place so that when a suspect is charged for something else, there’s an extra bonus charge to hang over his dumb head and either drop the hammer on him with stacking sentences or convince him to plea bargain and save the court some time and effort.

      • Reuven Mizraha

        I heard of only one, a guy who was committing a robbery armed with an AR pistol.

        • pun&gun

          And it wasn’t because he “shouldered” it, it was because of some configuration issue IIRC.

      • John Willis

        TexasUber: plea bargain , ie snitch off youre neighbors etc

  • Cal S.

    I’m pretty sure I just heard an angel sing.

    For those keeping count, this is one of those things mentioned in that internal memo. I’m just waiting quietly for them to roll back on the suppressors…

    …Well, if waiting quietly means I’m still spamming my legislators with emails about supporting the HPA and telling all my friends about it for them to do the same. Yep, quiet as a church-mouse.

    • PK

      Could be interesting, for sure! I’m not overly optimistic, but this is ray of sunshine for the first time in a long while.

    • pun&gun

      I don’t think the ATF can do anything about suppressors. The white paper recommended a change, but it would have to occur at the congressional level (or, in a total pipe dream, the Supreme Court could declare the NFA to be the unconstitutional pile of crap that it is).

      • Twon Xhijuji

        the atf makes laws

        • cutglass57

          ATF DOES NOT MAKE LAW. The US Congress makes law. The ATF is assigned to enforce law specific to their department. And they usually do that quite poorly. Plus they are now known as BATFE. Just more bad government.

          • Kurt Akemann

            The BATFE can and does make rules and regulations that in most cases have the force of law but said regulations cannot contradict Congressional statutes. Thus no BATFE rule or regulation change could remove registration requirements for sound suppressors; That reform would require Congress to amend the NFA.

          • Twon Xhijuji

            well they have failed, as far as can not contradict the Constitution

          • kyew

            They’ve been known as BATFE since they broke away from the IRS. That was in the ’70s. Not really breaking news…

          • cutglass57

            You must be a load of fun at parties. Jerkoff. What do you do for fun? Poke the neighbors cat?

          • cutglass57

            Also, jerkoff, you should learn to use the internet for something besides porn. I knew you were wrong about the date that ATF became BATFE. But I wanted to get proof. It took me less than 5 minutes to find the proof. Your ’70s reference is totally wrong concerning BATFE. ATF became BATFE after 9/11. There is a lot of info on this. Google ATF. Go to the Wikipedia article. Look under ‘History’, you might learn something. If you get off the porn sites and stop jacking off for at least 10 minutes.

          • kyew

            My apologies, you butt hurt little punk. I had no idea you were triggered so easily.

          • cutglass57

            At least you know how to apologize to a real man. Maybe now you can learn how to use the internet to verify things before you get on and prove your utter stupidity. And you are a stupid person. You could have easily confirmed your idiotic argument about the 70’s was totally incorrect and kept yourself from posting your ignorant and uninformed opinion. Speaking of a being a ‘butt hurt little punk’ you’re looking in the mirror. You’re so lacking in testosterone that when someone proves your BS is wrong instead of manning up and accepting it you lash out with 12 year old boy name calling BS. Your first post was just as childish. “Not really breaking news”, that’s just a punk ass boy talking BS there junior. I don’t know who you are and I don’t care who you are. I just know you’re an ignorant little boy who can’t handle facts or finding out he ran his mouth in public and made a fool out of himself. Enjoy being an irresponsible little boy.

          • kyew

            Did you type all of that blathering just for me to read? It’s a crying shame you wasted all that time. As soon as I saw “real man” in reference to you, I knew the rest was a load of horseshit. Maybe try not to lead off with the most unbelievable lies – sneak them later once I’ve read enough to pique my interest. Otherwise, you’re just practicing typing, little man.

          • cutglass57

            You’re one of those F’ng idiots that just don’t know when to STFU aren’t you? You are as ignorant as anyone I’ve bumped into on the internet since 1995. And that’s saying something. Keep running your stupid mouth little boy. You continue to prove your bias and your unparalleled stupidity. I’m surprised to see a gun on your avatar. It amazes me you could operate a weapon without killing yourself or someone else.

          • kyew

            “You’re one of those F’ng idiots that just don’t know when to STFU aren’t you?”

            Says the dumbass who keeps responding…

            Real bright, genius. But I’m sure there’s some legitimate reason you can respond without being an “F’ng[sic] idiot” while no one else can, right? I’m sure you’ll get a big laugh out of this once you find your Thorazine prescription.

          • Twon Xhijuji

            lol omg use the internet to verify? please..what like snopes? ….use the internet to verify…NO

          • cutglass57

            You do understand that there are lots of ways to verify info on the internet don’t you? Or did you learn your surfing skills in China? US Government sites are required by law to post facts. LAW facts. Plus if it’s too hard for you to read you can actually contact your US Congressman or Senator and ask them. It’s easy. Quit fondling yourself. Clean your hands and use the internet like a big boy.

          • Twon Xhijuji

            the atf makes regulations….you get fines or prison try , my two letters one for my sig brace and one for my slide fire were both ned by the atf director……..think what you want all of the agencys make regulations(laws) if your some lawyer who wants to argue that regulations are not laws save your time I dont care, if i can go to prison for it its a law to me,as far as congress making laws lol yeah right, give me the bill number saying that marijuana should go to sched 1, do you know what sched 1 paremeters are? the Dea writes law the atf writes laws the supreme court writes laws

          • cutglass57

            You really need to work on your spelling and sentence structure. I can get the jist of what you’re trying to say in most of your post but some of it is just a mess.

          • Twon Xhijuji

            oh,wait lose the debate turn to harsher tactics,hows your mandarin?

          • Twon Xhijuji

            waiting for a bunch of bs mandarin he investigates using the web

          • cutglass57

            It’s bad form to reply to yourself.

          • cutglass57

            You’re an idiot. A goofy little boy. A goofy little boy that writes juvenile pissy little comments. What you need to do more than anything is learn how to act like a grown up. And then spend years and years trying to learn to act like a man. That’s going to be the hard one for you to learn. You’re just like that other jerkoff that was on here. That first one that said that stupid BS about BATFE being formed back in the 70’s and tried his pissy best to make me look bad. HE FAILED. And where is he now???

          • cutglass57

            You continue to prove my point. At least you’re a gun owner. I can live with that.

          • cutglass57

            As to Law. DEA does NOT write law. ATF (BATFE) does NOT write law. And that worthless Supreme Court DOES NOT WRITE LAW. I didn’t lose any debate. And I don’t give a damn about mandarin.

          • Twon Xhijuji

            as to the supreme court not writing laws???? come on. Every decision write a law, and then there was not long ago under the obama admin a pure law(not decision)’ I can just give you the Governments specific address on the web where it will tell you exactly what i refer to. but you guys are just to much fun

          • Twon Xhijuji

            you lost, you just feel superior and can not admit, I gave you the ATF RULE making web address the DEA(and so many more) has made the law concerning marijuana sched one, the supreme courts make decisions that become law,under obama they actually wrote a law not even a decision, google it,you said you can determine right from wrong on the internet or verify

          • Twon Xhijuji

            can the president go to war? nope korea,nam,and all since were president wars…a rose by any other name….conflict lol, do buddys die? get mangled? does your mind not overload the same as if Congress had declared it?

          • cutglass57

            No matter what your problem is you need to learn to use punctuation. Syntax. Look that up. And knock off that stupid, childish “LOL” BS. That’s the kind of crap little girls text on their glittery cell phones.

          • Twon Xhijuji

            well i try . my hands are messed up and I have trigeminal neuralgia, i have to take like 3 different seizure pills, from 5 to 7 times maybe more a day 15-to 21 at some point i become toxic..each pill has lol thoughts of suicide,forgetfulness, confusion../..carbomezpine,gabapentin and dialantin they all basically slow and delete brain waves…I went to army ocs at 30 years old, my iq then was 131, i have been to 3 univ/coll
            but lol I know the ATF makes laws and have provided you to one of there very web pages telling you they do. What more would you like?
            maybe I should ask you to prove your statement that they do not. lol the friggin headline SAYS The ATF reverses its decision doesn’t say congress reverses its decision also the DEA keeps marijuana on schedule one even though schedule one means it has absolutely no medical value and is Highly Highly addictive, Ihe federal government would rather you have a 100 fentanyl patch and change it twice a day then have a edible…think about it..we are only allowed drugs with actual side effects. lol pharmacy has to be big power/money its job security
            then think of this something like 38 states have some sort of marijuana laws,look at those states,high electorate states included Calif,Mi Wash DC…now i said some sort of law..So the DEA goes against the pre amble of thew constitution as well as several amendments biggest of these says if it isn’t specifically mentioned in constitution it go to states if you need a link to DEA then you don’t really know how to vet things online

          • cutglass57

            As to your medications. I don’t care. I take a handful of meds every morning. Then more midday. Then more at night. I’m a disabled US Navy veteran. A combat veteran too. I have to deal with VA and all their endless BS. They have all sorts of rules and regulations that impact my life negatively. VA truly sucks. But their rules and regulations are not law. But they are still a pain in the ass. Like I said earlier. Call your Congressman or woman. Ask them if ATF writes law. Not regulations. Law. Let me know what they say.

          • Twon Xhijuji

            they have always been the Bureau of alcohol and firearms since they were formed..ATF is still commonly used as a one letter less abbreviation.In fact my explosives license / certificate Has ATF on it in the one area(not batf, atf) The common joke like: cool alcohol Tabaco and Firearms, who brings the pizza?

          • Twon Xhijuji

            that is since they became the BATF

        • Kivaari

          No they don’t Just like your local police department, they do not create laws, they enforce laws passed by the city council or state government. They can interpret laws to mean different things, just like they did in this case. One day it was ruled illegal, the next not illegal. The law remains the same, just lawyers opinions on how to enforce it. Congress writes sloppy laws that often allow for this confusion. Congress will need to change the law on silencers since the ATF has no ability to do so on its own.

          • Twon Xhijuji

            they write regulations..all the time they have books and boooks of them and if you think congresss did that…use your head

        • John Willis

          Twon: Wrong they enforce laws

          • Twon Xhijuji

            wrong john they also make regulations they have books of them, Congress cant even fall off a stool..read the headline up there, notice it does not say congress reverse its decision …

          • Twon Xhijuji

            one atf agent in one area decides a fireworks company can use containers for magazines in the next area like 50 miles away no it has to be buildings…..point is both places the ATF agent in charge wrote the law for that day,fact of the matter they have this thick orange book on the way its supposed to be,which congress didn’t write

  • RicoSuave

    Am surprised the letter didn’t have the line “the shoulder thing that goes up”.

  • B. Young

    when will I get the $200 back for my SBR tax stamp???

    • DIR911911 .

      february 31 2018

    • pvw20

      Haha, day after never.

  • Sal F

    This could be a good sign of things to come for the NFA. Allowing the concept of unlimited use, as long as the object is not “designed” as “X”, opens a lot of doors. Once there are dozens of strong, sturdy, collapsible “braces” on the market, the whole SBR things kind of becomes moot.

    Of course, this whole thing is tenuous, as it is based on whim, and not law (which is the whole issue with the ATF in general), but at least it’s a step in the right direction. Thank you Pres. Trump. Next move, import restrictions – lets get that cheap Russian ammo and Chinese/Philippine guns (tons of M1’s there).

  • vc1911

    I wonder what this means for the micro Roni for glocks …?

    • Bradley

      The same thing it does for anything else with a brace on it.

  • Don Ward

    To all the “Never Trump” gun owners out there, all I have to say is “You’re WELCOME”.

    • Jeez Louise

      Any president with an (R) would’ve reversed it. And any of them would beat Hillary, and are objectively better than President Orange. Orange has done nothing to earn the power we gave him. He’s just goofing around the golf course, while expanding the federal government, engaging in international military adventurism in Syria, threatening to do the same in North Korea, and releasing more executive orders than Obummer.

      • GUNxSPECTRE

        This.

        Trump doesn’t have the political know-how (or maybe even care that much) to directly have a hand in this. It’s legal specialists who found a right time to cash in.

        • valorius

          I disagree. Trump changed the culture at ATF.

          • Jeez Louise

            How? In what way? You’re giving him too much credit.

          • valorius

            New boss, new culture. You’re not giving him enough credit.

          • GUNxSPECTRE

            You saying the literal same thing doesn’t mean anything.

          • valorius

            You’ve never worked somewhere, then had a new boss takeover, then watch the entire culture and attitude of the company change? I have.

          • GUNxSPECTRE

            Except that the items in question didn’t spontaneously get birthed and passed along when Trump was inaugurated.

            “Enabling” and “Working & Achieving” are two VERY different things. The POTUS does the former, not the latter.

          • valorius

            Enabling change means he gets credit.

          • kjack

            So valorius, does Trump also get credit for the ATF reclassifying wipes as
            silencer parts last month then? That sure is some change in culture.

          • valorius

            Only when they fix it.

          • kjack

            So Trump only gets credit for the good things the ATF does under his watch and not the bad things?

          • valorius

            Isn’t that how politics works?

          • GUNxSPECTRE

            Just just being Republican. It’s not rocket science.

      • valorius

        That is not true at all. Reagan and Bush I both banned guns. All kinds of guns.

        • Jeez Louise

          We are creatures of our time. In the days of Reagan/HW, both parties were pro gun control to varying degrees. That was the time when virtually all states are “may issue”, gun violence in inner cities were at epidemic proportions prompting massive backlash against guns in general, and the NRA was a wussy little group that nobody listened to.

          It took massive grassroots movement, plus successes at the state level such as Florida (first modern shall-issue state, first stand your ground state), that pushed at least one party towards gun freedom. Note also that Donald Trump is a New York moderate who owns a few guns
          but had been pro gun control until the last election cycle.

          I would say that any Republican (other than Trump) within the last 15 years is somewhat pro-gun in substantial ways.

          • GUNxSPECTRE

            Trump didn’t really want to be at the NRA during the campaign. It was just a standard GOP-candidate stop to ensure that low info gun-owners would vote Republican regardless of who was running.

      • Don Ward

        Tell me which of the other 15 Republican candidates would have won in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin?
        None of them.

        • Jeez Louise

          Against Hillary? All of them, except perhaps Ben Carson. :p

        • GUNxSPECTRE

          Irrelevant, as long as a Republican won, these things would’ve made head way regardless.

          • Don Ward

            The point is that the other candidates would have lost against Hillary. And this is demonstrable. Cruz and Rubio would not have won the Blue states needed to win the electoral college. And candidates like Kasich or JEB! wouldn’t have gotten the backing of conservatives. Only one candidate was able to run as a conservative and still get Democrats to vote for him, and that was Trump. You’re WELCOME.

          • Don Ward

            Completely relevant because only one Republican of the 16 who ran could have beat Hillary.

    • valorius

      Same here!

    • DIR911911 .

      where did you read that trump did this? his name is nowhere to be found except from morons that forget WE DON’T WANT POLITICS HERE

      • Don Ward

        Elections have consequences. You’re WELCOME.

    • kjack

      First of all, is there any evidence at all that Trump was behind this? Remember, your feelings are not evidence. Second of all, should I also be thanking Trump for the ATF reclassifying wipes as silencer parts last month, which went against decades of precedent and previous approval letters? When compared to the ATF’s recent ruling on wipes, this arm brace issue is small time.

      • Don Ward

        Elections have consequences. Even though we had to drag every single sniveling #NEVERTRUMPer kicking and screaming across the finish line. You’re WELCOME.

  • Rob Pincus

    Sweet.. it’s 2014 All Over Again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA1JSP3LKt0

  • MarcoPolo

    NRA to Trump: Tell that b*tch to be cool, say “B*tch, be cool”. Trump to BATF: “Be cool Honey Bunny.”

    • Marc

      I’m the foot f**king master. I got my technique down and everything; I don’t be tickling or nuttin.

      Top ten movie of all time.

  • HenryV

    🙂 Happy for you all.

  • valorius

    Party time! I’ll bring the booze!

  • tsh77769

    wonder if SIG might come back with their super long muzzle break now. Remember that?

    • you mean the silencer monocore? that if you put a tube over it, it become a silencer?

  • DanGoodShot

    Excuse me while I pick my jaw up off the floor… Umm… Good job ATF! Does that sound as weird as it did to type it?? Good job… ATF!?
    Edit: This comes as all I’m waiting for on my 1st pistol build is my handguard(be here Thursday!) and it will be finished!!!

  • Rico Balagbag

    Ahhhh yes, now we need to uncuck the ATF.

  • TomB

    Not breaking news. This is not a reversal as the ATF never said unintended or accidental misuse was a crime. They simply said that if you want to use it as a stock, the firearm has to be registered with the NFA.

    • but that is why people buy the braces to use them as stocks not as an arm brace.

  • 22winmag

    Trump gets a pass on his avalanche of flip-flopping, but the ATF gets roasted for just a little flipping and flopping?

  • Phillip Cooper

    Sounds to me like they’re just trying to trip us up at this point.

    Don’t want to be the one that gets it broken off in their nethers…

  • Caleb Wilson

    Does this apply only to the sig brace or to all of the pistol braces on the market?

  • USMC03Vet

    Incoming rare Pepe braces!
    🤣

  • Vitor Roma

    The kafkian fear and submission that people have with the ATF is surreal, af if there would be a “shoulder touching police” watching you 24/7.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      And according to my respondent, how dare you mock the mighty ATF. You deserve to be raided for doing so.

      • Sam TwoDat Costanza

        Some agencies’ practices are so ridiculous, they beg to be mocked.

    • Cymond

      I don’t think I’m being watched 24/7, but I don’t know who all these people at the range are, either.
      Heck, we have to pay a $50 annual fee or have a hunting license to use the shooting ranges on state land here in PA. They *will* fine you if they catch you without the permit, and I’ve heard that park rangers often check on the shooting range to make sure everyone’s paid. If they’re that zealous about a $50 permit, imagine how they’d react to a NFA violation.

      • Liberals are the Enemies!

        We are all being watched directly or indirectly via our texts, social media, emails and calls and it all goes to UTAH, when they need it they have it all stored!

  • Liz Ahlquist

    So basically, we annoyed the shit out of them so much over this, that they are now giving us (sort of) what we want in the hopes that we will go away… Excellent. What can we annoy them with now?

  • Swarf

    So they changed their collective mind again?

    Whoopty do. They can clearly change and unchange, rechange and dechange their mind at a whim, so I’m not gonna go on a buying spree just yet.

  • Some asked about the Micro Roni well here you go—shoulder that thing!

    “Common Sense” Prevails!

    The Micro RONI® Stabilizer Brace conversion kit now perfectly legal to shoulder and fire in new revised ruling from ATF.

    Pompano Beach, Fla. (April 2017) – CAA, developers and manufacturers of advanced battle-tested firearms accessories, have received confirmation that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), Firearms Technology Industry Services Branch (FTISB) has determined that the “Stabilizing Brace” mounted on a semi-automatic pistol can now be lawfully shouldered and fired and is not classified as a “short-barreled rifle” as previously defined in the NFA, 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a) (3).
    Announced just days ahead of the 146th National Rifle Associations’ Annual Meetings and Exhibitions held in Atlanta, Georgia, the classification is being heralded by CAA, CEO, Lt. Col. (IDF Ret.) Mikey Hartman, as a return to “common sense” firearms usage by responsible citizens of the United States.
    “The Stabilizing Brace has been a great alternative for many disabled shooters and has provided a recourse for our injured vets to return successfully to a sport they love,” Lt. Col. (Ret. IDF) Mikey Hartman, CEO of CAA and Hartman Optics said. “The new ATF ruling is truly a common sense ruling in that many more people can now enjoy the flexibility the stabilizing brace offers, whether strapped to the arm or shouldered.”
    The Micro RONI Stabilizer Brace conversion kit for Glock models has seen incredible press coverage. More end users embrace the ease of use and installation, improved handling and seriously improved accuracy out to 200 yards and beyond. “The Micro RONI is the fastest assembly and disassembly conversion kit on the market, as well as the most cost effective,” said Hartman.
    No tools are needed to assemble and disassemble. The Micro RONI Stab is also available as an Advanced Kit which adds an integral 500 lumens flashlight, thumb rests, front and rear flip up sights, sling swivel and one point bungee style sling, giving the user added value.

  • Houston Monkey

    Still need dinosaur arms to shoulder a brace and SBR is still the way to go.

  • kyew

    I won’t be cheering until the BATFE is disbanded and scattered like the thugs they are.

  • Andrew

    Does this apply to the Shockwave Blade?

  • Stephen Paraski

    Roni, now make one for a Gen 1 G-21.

    • Nicholas C

      Or just buy a Gen 3 or Gen 4 Glock 21. There are a lot of old department trade ins

  • Twon Xhijuji

    John Wills the ATF does create laws,there called regulations . I worked oin the 1.3g fireworks business…and they make laws

    • Twon Xhijuji

      so i dont want to hear from all you the Congress only ,makes laws…no the arf does, the pd’s do the supreme court does,dea

  • Twon Xhijuji

    besides this is most likely fake news, didnt see anything on SIG”S sight