Bearing Arms Lays Out Why Some Trainers Don’t Allow Serpas … And Hate On Them A Bit

A post over at Bearing Arms has to be one of the more lengthy Serpa hate posts I have seen floating around the internet. It isn’t all feels and thoughts, they also used facts and YouTube video examples to make their case.

Now the Serpa has its place in the market as a readily available retention holster, but some industry professionals have blacklisted the design. Now I maintain that the Serpa will serve most people just fine around the house or in the woods, but as a serious duty holster, it falls short due to materials and construction.

So would I use a Serpa? Yes, given the right circumstances. If I were only shooting at the range, walking around the woods, or needed something for around the house for whatever reason I might look to a lower cost Serpa given they are available at many big box stores and inexpensive. Now if the need was for a holster to use in a class, competition, open carry I might look to another holster option.

Can the Serpa be fixed? I am sure it can. A bit of engineering magic and slightly better polymer and you have a design that I would be willing to consider for more of a hard use role.

Take a look at the Bearing Arms article to see the entire story.


  • valorius

    Reason 1) Because people have been documented to shoot themselves while drawing from Serpas
    Reason 2) Because you can rip a serpa holster right off a person’s belt

    Call me old school, but leather for me thanks.

    • Dougscamo

      Reason 2)….valid….Reason1)….idiots….

      • SPQR9

        The holster helps them do it by making them perform a movement with the trigger finger lined up on the gun’s trigger.

        • Scott Tuttle

          dunno about all serpa models but on my glock and usp your finger is just below the slide when you come out. far above the trigger. youtube videos of people shooting themselves are all trying for high speed action cowboy shootin, no coincidence.

          • Just say’n

            ^^This^^ (same for my Shield)

      • valorius

        Reason 3, as someone else pointed out: Dirt, debris, even cold weather can freeze the button making your pistol useless.

    • h4rr4r

      To be fair people have been documented to shoot themselves at any time. The most dangerous tools can be fairly safe in some hands and the safest can be dangerous in others. Some of these folks should not be allowed preschool scissors.

      • True, but the design itself exacerbates the issue.

        It is just a bad design, almost as bad as those vertical grip lights that have triggers on them. We’ve banished them from the industry, but the SERPA gets a pass because it was allowed to get popular before the design flaw was found.

    • BillC

      Reason 3) dust, dirt, and debris can seize the locking mechanism and lock the gun in.

    • Seth Hill

      How is that they manage to shoot themselves while drawing from a Serpa? The release is ABOVE the trigger guard opening and if you keep your finger in that spot as you draw, it does NOT line up with the trigger or the opening. So, if they are shooting themselves, they are dropping their finger AND pulling the trigger.

      • Zack mars

        Where your finger lands depends on the gun, and how you draw.

        The margin of error with a serpa is so small that its not worth the 10-20$ you save over a safariland

      • raz-0

        Where the button is varies with the gun. A LOT.

      • valorius

        It’s been done, many times apparently.

        • Idiots are born every minute. Some own firearms.

          • valorius

            Some of those idiots design holsters that fail in many ways.

          • I’ve used a Serpa for on and off-duty police work for over 10 years. It has worked just fine. I’ve used Safariland duty holsters in the past. They have fantastic holsters, however the Serpa is faster.

            My department has around 142 sworn officers – NO ND’s in the entire time we’ve had the Serpa holsters. Proper training, and individual shooter awareness and responsibility to the cardinal rules of firearms safety is all that is needed for the Serpa to be an excellent choice. If you can’t stop curling AND moving your trigger finger to the trigger, that is shooter error not the holster’s fault. That can happen with any holster.

          • valorius

            It’s your life.

          • Yep, and I’m very happy with how my Serpa has performed. From very fast draws, to security that has withstood more than one gun grab on the streets. However, if someone wants to use another holster I’m perfectly O.K. with that.

            The thing that gets me about Blackhawk comments in general, and Serpa comments specifically on this site is the dramatic exclusivity from people who are supposedly very pro-gun and pro-diversity in products. I’ll never own/use a .380 pistol, but if one fits someone’s needs I say “good for you.”

            However, the Serpa brings out almost vitriolic hatred. I think some of it is more a pushback on all things “tactical” which is where Blackhawk really made its mark on the firearm community. There are too many positive testimonials from professional shooters to seriously condemn the Serpa as an unviable holster. The holster must be trained on, and the shooter must be disciplined (something I hope the entire firearm community supports for itself). The design may not be for everyone’s choosing (or abilities).

    • trjnsd

      I have Bianchi and Safariland leather holsters that are over thirty years old and still look and function great! They are not “retention” holsters, other than a “thumb snap” or similar device. The “retention device” is ME! If you can’t fight and hang on to your firearm in the situation you’re in, the problem is your scary life, not the holster…!

  • Don Ward

    “Daddy? Where do negligent discharges come from?”

    “You see son, when Glock Perfection falls in love with a Blackhawk Serpa holster, they do a special dance where the shooter thinks he’s Billy The Kid and tries to draw real fast and blows his tom fool foot off”.

    • Cal S.

      Actually, the most memorable ND from a Serpa holster features a 1911 in all its glory…

      • Twilight sparkle

        “I just f***in shot myself”

        • Cal S.

          Yes, that one.

      • Don Ward

        Hehe. Yeah. But kicking around 1911s is like pushing old people out of their wheel chairs and taking the remote control so they can’t watch Matlock.

        • Cal S.

          Lol, I’m dead…

      • ORCON
        • This guy is a nice guy. A buffoon, but a nice guy. This should not be the standard to judge the Serpa, just like judging “automatic assault weapons” according to Feinstein, Pelosi, Schumer, and the bunch.

  • USMC03Vet

    I’ll bite.
    FLETC isn’t the gold standard. Haley has negligent discharges without Serpa holsters let alone holster use at all and Larry Vickers was elbow deep in telling the world Fireclean was the greatest thing since astroglide.

    Let’s put these impeccable entry level training institutions and gods of firearms on the pedestals where they belong.

    *eagerly awaiting the rage posts*

    • Phillip Cooper

      What is “FLETC”?

      • Matt

        Federal Law Enforcement Training Center

    • imachinegunstuff

      I’d say the Serpa design is a little dated today, but I used one for four years for my M9 and never had an issue. Never saw an issue with any of the Marines that were used the Serpa. When I came in there wasn’t a ton of affordable, modular, off the shelf holsters for us that were kydex.

      • raz-0

        I think this is where the confusion in the hazard of the serpas comes in. How dangerous they are depends on the gun they are for.

        Running matches, I have run into them for glocks, 1911s, some flavor of sig, 92f/m9 variants, and for the M&P.

        IMO, having tested out the 92f setup, it’s really not very dangerous IMO. where you are pushing to unlock it results in pressure being applied more or less on the slide of the gun on a flat. Even if you are pushing hard or have long fingers and are thus unable to push deeply enough on the button without curling your finger in, you probably will just apply pressure to the flat side of the gun well above the trigger. The odds of you having to curl your finger in are less because the trigger guard isn’t super wide.

        I’d classify the sig and the 1911 as marginal. It lands the finger closer to the trigger, but still probably tolerant of a fair amount of slop in how you use it.

        The Glock and M&P setup however are asking for trouble, especially with people with longer fingers. You HAVE to curl them to be able to push in enough to unlock it. And if you have any crud in there, you have to push much harder to unlock than say the 1911 version where the trigger guard is narrower but the amount of motion to the locking mechanism is about the same. This is bad juju.

        After the second incident at a match, we banned them from the club unless the lock is disabled. Given that for most guns, and the most problematic guns in the serpa gear, the safariland ALS holster is $5 more, and higher quality materials and fit and finish, I’m not seeing why anyone should risk it with the serpa.

      • USMC03Vet

        True. Marines make it happen with what they got and I never heard complaints from fellow Marines that carried the M9 in Serpa holsters. Compared to the older flip holster with metal bungie clip it was significantly better.

    • SPQR9

      You are completely right and the Serpa still sucks.

    • Zack mars

      FLETC, Haley, and Vickers are far from the only people/groups that do not allow serpas in their classes

      Just because you can come up with a few criticisms for a few people doesn’t mean they are just making stuff up

      • Just Say’n

        e.g. Front Sight doesn’t allow them either.

        That said, it’s been my trial-running, mt. biking, dirt biking holster for my Shield for a couple of years now. I’ve got a lot of miles on that rig and it works. Even used it for a few USPSA matches. I keep my booger-picker straight during the draw like you’re supposed to. Can’t envision how that can cause and ND.

        • Zack mars

          When you get into a scenario where your finger isn’t straight…

          Holsters have a margin of error, and serpa’s margins are so small, it’s no wonder it gets the reputation it has

          Thats not even considering the fact that it can be locked up by debris, or get ripped off the backing plate

          • Only for those who do not train with the holster, and understand and follow the firearm safety rules. The Serpa is designed so the trigger finger falls onto the frame/slide after release. Any shooter whose trigger finger ends up on the trigger did that action on their own.

      • USMC03Vet

        I just used the examples provided and played devils advocate. I’ve never used the holster and really don’t have an opinion about it, but the the post was so one sided I felt a dose of reality needed to included somewhere since so many names were being dropped like the gospel.

      • Ryan Rankine

        Gunsite Academy does not either

    • Don Ward

      We got a winner here!

  • Dickie

    Im pretty sure they changed the design. I have a bunch of old ones for glocks then i just got a new one for a px4 and its different. They moved the retention button up more toward the slide and away from the trigger guard. And also they places a groove like finger channel to guide you to it.

    • raz-0

      Where the button is varies from gun to gun.

  • ragnar_d

    “A bit of engineering magic and slightly better polymer and you have a design that I would be willing to consider for more of a hard use role.”

    That exists on the market already . . . it’s called the Safariland ALS

    • BillC

      Exactly. The SERPA was barely”good” over 15 years ago.

    • Mmmtacos

      Serpa may be cheap but the ALS, for most models, doesn’t exactly break the bank at $50-60. It’s a much better design, far more rugged and for anyone worried about the ND a Serpa could cause the ALS is just different by design entirely and avoids it.

      It’s arguable that the ALS is also more difficult to remove from it’s holster by someone that comes up from behind to try and disarm you. Not sure about that, but it does seem designed in such a way that that would not be the easiest task.

      • raz-0

        Best I can find right now: Glock sepra $33.68, Glock ALS $39.80. That’s for 19/17/22/23

      • Safariland ALS or ALS/SLS are excellent holsters. I’ve used both Safariland and Blackhawk Serpas. Overall I would place both holsters even with each other. The Safariland holsters have a touch of better engineering, but the Serpa is quicker. The end user must decide.

        Ultimately, any quality retention holster requires the user to practice. The intuitive nature of the Serpa tends to cause users to practice less, because it’s so easy to use. The Safariland roll forward SLS takes a bit to get proficient with (just like their outstanding SSIII holster). The slower draw is countered with no need to use the trigger finger to release safeties. A Serpa is much simpler (even with the hood), but if the shooter is predisposed to bad habits, and lack of training, and ND is more possible.

    • raz-0

      100%, and for most of the popular guns out there is a $5-10 premium for a MUCH better made holster.

  • iksnilol

    Does the holster seriously not cover the trigger?

    • imachinegunstuff

      The gun is in upside down

    • The photo shows the pistol reversed inside the holster. The Serpa’s locking mechanism actually engages the interior surface of the triggerguard..

    • BillC

      It’s upside-down.

    • J.T.

      No. That gun is in the holster upside down.

  • BillC

    Why do people still buy this when better options exist in nearly scores? It’s more than it being unsafe, it’s a poorly made, bulky holster than can lock in the gun with dust and dirt. It’s because they don’t know, don’t want to know, or somehow get emotionally attached to a $30 holster.

  • Cal S.

    In my armed security guard certification course, the instructor’s favorite was a Serpa. Granted, he’d had a lot of time with it and had probably overcome any challenges that newbies like myself might have had (newbies to the holster, not to guns). However, I’d bought one for my Glock about 6 months prior and in dry practice 2/10 times had hang-ups on the draw.

    So, instead I bought a nice friction retention holster and called it a day. The other 5 students went with the instructor’s favorite. Every last one of them had a hang-up on the draw during qualification. I didn’t. That, I think, is the biggest reason I don’t like Serpas.

  • Will

    Sherpa holsters are fine….For people who don’t have their heads shoulder deep up their asses.
    One must stay off their cell phones and pay attention to what they’re doing when armed.

    • Swarf

      Said the guy who spelled it wrong.

  • Uniform223

    I guess I’m the one going against the grain here. I use a serpa for my everyday and on duty. Personally I find it had a good balance between retention and draw speed. People always bring up NDs as the primary reason for not having it yet there are many other examples of people having an ND with other holster types. Blaming ND on the holster is like a driver blaming his/her car for their lack of driving skills. How about you practice and get familiar with it as well as being CONSCIOUS and AWARE where your F**KING FINGER IS!

    • SPQR9

      No, when the holster helps you ND because it’s design makes you perform a movement with your trigger finger lined up on gun’s trigger, that’s the holster’s fault.

      • Scott Tuttle

        not true, you can look at the holster and see the release button is above the trigger. I own a glock and usp holster and your finger is on the frame below the slide when you come out.

        • Zack mars
          • Scott Tuttle

            I bet that took effort to make it do that. you’d have to push down to get the serpa to unlock and then after that push down and to the right to force your finger into the trigger and keep on squeezing hard all the while. you’d have an AD on any holster doing that

          • AlDeLarge

            According to the blog* the guy in that video was trying to demonstrate how safe it was, when that happened.

            * Not this blog, the blog this blog is blogging about.

          • That guy moved his finger to the trigger. Starting at 0:25 there is a deliberate movement to the trigger. The finger curls, and it deliberately moves off the frame at an angle to go to the trigger. It doesn’t matter what holster you use, if you move your finger to the trigger during the draw you have the potential of an ND.

      • The Serpa does NOT line the trigger finger up with the trigger. It lines the trigger finger up with the slide/frame (depending on firearm). The shooter must physically move their finger to the trigger. This has been shown multiple times. I’ve used a Serpa for over 15 years in a “duty” scenario. I’ve never found the trigger on a draw, because I’ve trained well and do not violate the safety rules.

        The real problem arises when the shooter lacks proper firearm safety training. This involves knowledge of their firearm, the firearm’s safeties, the holster, the holster’s safeties, and all the Cardinal rules of firearms safety. The intuitive and easy mechanism of the Serpa can lead people to feel confident with the holster without the proper training. So when they draw, they engage a safety violation by moving to the trigger too soon.

    • raz-0

      I have run a number of matches held regularly at different clubs. For years. We get about the same mix of newbies experienced people, makes and models of guns, and we regularly see cheap gear on newbies. Year in, year out.

      For years before the SERPA hit, incidents of attempted cop leg = 1. Some dude was trying to use a S&W model 41 in a holster for something else and it worked very, very badly. Failure was not on the draw.

      For about 3-4 years we permitted the SERPA. We saw at LEAST 4 NDs with it upon drawing before banning them.

      It’s been several years since the ban. We have had 0 NDs involving unholstering/holstering (one involving a very stupid amateur gunsmith, but that was mid course of fire)

      It’s a shitty design.

      • Unless you train with the holster, and become proficient before going to a range – like every firearms user should do, regardless of holster. My police department is around 142 sworn officers. We’ve used Serpas for nearly 15 years with ZERO ND’s during draw. The only ND’s we’ve had is when an officer deliberately moved their finger to the trigger while extending the pistol to a target under time constraints. Those shots went low (not at their feet).

        Considering we have a very diverse set of shooters, like any police department or public range, I’d say the design is fine (WITH TRAINING).

      • Uniform223

        *Points to the last part of my comment*

        It sucks they had NDs and more so if they shot themselves. It seems like most of the gripes and complaints could be greatly mitigated (if not completely avoided). PRACTICE. Gain familiarlarity with it first.
        Before I loaded up with live rounds and went off to the range I spent a portion of my day just familiarizing myself and practicing with my pistol and the holster. I stood in front of a mirror and would watch my draw. I did everything slow and deliberate at first before speeding up. I did that for about a week before going to the range. When I get bored I do dry runs when I’m at home.

        I have an M&P and use it with a serpa holster. I go to the range every month and burn through 150-200 rounds every visit. I’ve taken a 2 day pistol course with this combination and in total went through more than 600 rounds in those two days. By your experience something bad should have happened to me by now using an S&W M&P with a serpa holster. Also when I place my hand on my pistol I am always cognizant and aware where my finger is.

        Through practice and following the basic rule of fire arm safety I have had ZERO NDs with my combination of pistol and holster. So I guess I am the exception to all this “serpa sucks” commentary being flung about. Before blaming the gear, look at the user first. So in my personal experience and opinion the serpa holster is not a shoddy design.

  • The level III holsters uses different materials and belt mounting system. So the rip it off the belt doesn’t apply to it.

    But the mechanism locking up, and the finger on the trigger issues are well documented. I’ve personally replicated both myself. The finger on the trigger typically occurs on a misdraw, if you do everything perfectly there will be no issues, but the moment you get the order wrong and you don’t stop and correct it and instead keep on pulling (which is what most people do) you have the issue.

    The holster locking I found seems to be caused more by small rocks than things that can flow like sand. Maybe the level III holster is designed so that is less likely to happen, I honestly don’t know as I’ve never handled one enough to compare the two.

  • ABeiruty

    Nothing wrong with Holster it is the shooter. If you are shooting a Glock it is the finger that is pulling the trigger, not the holster. So many Glock legs happened without a Serpa. Should we blame Serpa holster too for that? If a person is not able to keep his finger straight while pulling the pistol, more training is needed for said person. I disabled the latch on my Serpa at the competition matches because it was slowing me down. Now, I use racing holsters and thumb pushing lever holsters from Hogue. Oh, those holsters are not for concealment. So, Get into Custom Kydex or order an Alien Gear holster( Superb).

  • Sid Collins

    There is not a damn thing wrong with the holster. It is a retention holster and works great. BUT, but, but…. there have been documented issues with it by x unit or y shooter! As with any product, there are those who use it improperly.

    I believe that most of the issues are excuses by those who want to justify their selection of another holster. This is the US. You have the freedom of choice. You can have a preference. You don’t have to justify it. For everyone that doesn’t want to use a Serpa, great. Don’t buy it.

    I am among those who have used it and think it is a good holster. My MP platoon used them exclusively in Iraq for an entire year and we never had an issue.

    • CapeMorgan

      How were you carrying your M9s? Was it Condition 1? That would preclude any issues with the holster.

      • Sid Collins

        Yes, it was Condition 1 because it was holstered.

        • CapeMorgan

          I think that is why you did not have any problems with the Sherpa. It looks like folks that are having issues with it are using handguns without a safety.

          • CommonSense23

            Somehow I was able to go overseas and train a bunch of people who had never held a handgun and still used witch doctors to carry a glock 19 with a round chambered. And we never had a ND with over a million rounds fired using serpas.

          • CapeMorgan

            Did you ever go back and see how many they have had since you left? I bet the witch doctors have been real busy.

          • Used a Serpa with a Glock for over 15 years – no problems.

        • Anonymoose

          You can’t carry a Beretta 92 in Condition 1 unless it’s one of the single-action-only models or has an old-fashioned frame-mounted safey, or you put a D spacer ( ) in there disabling the decocker. Condition 1 is cocked and locked. When you have the hammer down and safety on over a live round it’s Condition 2.

  • The_Champ

    I’m no holster expert, but I can talk about the SERPAs my police service(about 450 members) began using 6 years ago with our Glock 22s.
    Frankly they seem to work fine. No ND issues. They seem fairly rugged and I haven’t seen many break. I also haven’t seen any lock up with dirt or mud (but I’m sure they have a failure point like anything else).

    I will say this about the leather Safarilands we replaced. I saw more of those break than I did Serpas, and it was a problem getting issued a new leather holster mid-shift because they were incredibly stiff and needed a big break in period.

    My two cents.

    • Dougscamo

      We had problems with the thumb break hood breaking on our Safarilands….bummer considering the price….

  • Notwhomuthink

    Never had 1 bit of trouble with my 8 different Serpa holsters.
    Yeah, i’ve trained getting filthy with mud and snow.
    Yeah, i’ve trained with the timer and passed the Companies TCS.
    Yeah, i look at my Serpa’s when i reholster, nice slow and deliberate. Blind Holstering is for the Fool, if your still in the Sh1T , keep feeding the weapon till your out of it, THEN, reholster, slow and deliberately!
    But the one thing i do more than the Idiots.
    As far as the serpa working better with glock and 1911 type and not others, yeah I CALL BS!
    Read the GD Directions my Fellow Ball Swingers!! Then, adjust it Properly!!!
    It takes more than 15 seconds of your precious time, god forbid! All work Perfectly and 100%.
    Am i a fanboy? Nope! I just learned how to Properly use that type of holster, unlike many it seems.
    As far as material, again, BS!!! Dream or make excuses, it’s still BS! The material is fine.
    As far as these Big Name Trainers not allowing it.
    Good for them, they don’t need idiots shooting themselves being tacticool, they have no idea how the “so called student” has trained, and they don’t need that kind of PR! Again, I support there decision on these merits, not because the Serpa is being labeled Inferior by those that are using less than 2% of there grey matter.
    I’llStick with my Serpa’s, thanx.

    What ever you use, what ever you shoot, if you don’t train properly, your Doomed from the start and should stick to being a Internet Video Game SpecOp’s Warrior.
    Well, there’s my rant.
    Fire Away Gridley’s

  • RealitiCzech

    All retention holsters require special technique to use properly. Only the SERPA requires a special technique to avoid shooting yourself on the drawstroke.

    • Uniform223

      “Only the SERPA requires a special technique to avoid shooting yourself on the drawstroke.”

      > its a special technique where you keep your finger out of the trigger gaurd until you’re ready to fire…

      Oh wait. Isn’t that one of the fundamentals on fire arm safety?

  • 1inidaho

    Okay, so who here will confess to owing a Serpa and or personally knowing someone who had a ND from drawing from one? Inquiring minds want to know.

    • Uniform223

      I own a Serpa. I do not know anyone personally who had an ND and blamed it on their gear, I have NEVER had an ND while using my serpa holster.

  • AlDeLarge

    From reading comments, here and other places, it sounds like the severity of the ND problem varies greatly with the gun, and possibly hand size.

  • ckeltz3

    Anyone who can’t distinguish the tactile difference between the release button on any holster & the trigger of their pistol, or sense (or observe) a obstruction inside of any holster (a rare occurrence, indeed) during re-holstering…….shouldn’t be handling a firearm.
    Or operating heavy machinery, chainsaws, stoves, pro-creating, etc.

  • Chuck Haggard

    Even with better polymer the holster still has serious issues.
    I’m one of the vocal Serpa bashers, it’s not “hate”, it’s stating facts. I’m friends with people who designed and brought the holster to market, I WANTED it to work, sadly it’s a bad design AND poorly executed.
    Why people get emotionally invested in a $30 holsters beyond me. Why people buy Serpas when things like the 7TS are near the same price is a mystery.
    Derp abounds.

  • Uniform223
  • I disagree with Patrick just slightly. I’ve used a “duty” issued Serpa holster for over 15 years, and these holsters have been absolutely magnificent. They can and are “duty” holsters for hundreds of law enforcement agencies throughout the U.S. We use the Serpa’s with the hood security feature. If Patrick was referring to the open-top Serpa’s not being a good “duty” selection, than I absolutely agree with that statement. However, the hooded Serpa’s are excellent “duty” holsters.

    My police department is about 142 sworn officers. In that time we’ve had zero, that’s right ZERO, negligent discharges due to the Serpa. With proper training, the Serpa is an excellent duty rig. Our draw times have significantly been reduced after we left the Safariland SSIII holsters (which are fantastic, but difficult to train mastery), and the Safariland ALS/SLS holsters. Safariland has outstanding holsters, and I wouldn’t blink an eye if the decision were made to go back to the ALS/SLS. However, the Blackhawk Serpa’s are faster, and have proven to be durable and security safe for dozens of agencies in my area (hundreds throughout the U.S.).

    The less than 5 ND’s we’ve had on the range were people who got their trigger finger on the trigger before fully extending their pistol to line up sights for a proper shot. The rounds hit low or the floor out towards the target – NOT at the shooter’s feet.

    The Serpa, like ANY retention holster, must be trained with and trained properly. If the shooter trains properly, the Serpa can be an outstanding holster selection. If the shooter does not train properly, and violates standard firearm safety rules, then they can have and ND with the Serpa (or any other holster for that matter)!

  • r h

    hi, i have a serpa and a 1911. i dont have problems..
    i read the instructions and then i trained..
    job done..

    im curious WHY, we as fire arm “enthusiasts”, are so quick to blame gear, that ISNT failing for the mistakes of the incompetent.. is this not what the anti-gunners do? blame equipment when clearly the HUMAN in the equation is whats fail?

    if you dislike serpa because it breaks, because it falls off, because your pistol falls out of it.
    fine, i get you.
    if you dislike them because your life is spent alternately between
    and then, well, go fuck yourself.
    there is no PERFECT holster. not even your own hand ( since this is where MOST NDs happen)

    how about we all just put our big boy pants on and start shaming and naming idiots who DONT train and are ALWAYS going to be a danger among us? how about that? how about we hold some HUMAN BEINGS at fault for what humans beings do, ya know? as kindof a change…

  • James Jaeger

    They don’t like SERPA because they didn’t get paid to sell it. Also, only someone that is stupid pulls the trigger after using the release button. The actions require two entirely different movements of the index finger.