Ukrainian Fort-28 Pistol chambered in 5.7x28mm

As far as I knew there were only three handguns chambered in 5.7x28mm: Masterpiece Arms Defender, Excel Arms Accelerator and of course the first one – FN Five-seveN.  But it turns out that there is also a Ukrainian pistol called Fort-28 chambered in this caliber.

Image by www.travmatik.com

The Ukrainian company started designing this gun back in 2015. It is a double action only polymer-framed semi-auto pistol. It is either striker-fired or has a shrouded hammer just like the FN Five-seveN. The pistol feeds from a 20 round magazine. What we can see from very few images of this pistol is that it has a Glock-style trigger safety and a Picatinny rail section. You can also see the slide release lever and what looks to be a disassembly lever. The latter is pretty reminiscent of the safety selector of FN’s pistol. However, I think it is a disassembly lever because there are no safety position markings and there is no other visible means to disassemble the gun. Fort-28 also has a loaded chamber indicator. The pistol’s overall length is 7.9″ with 4.5″ barrel length.

On the manufacturer’s website, the action of this pistol is described as “semi-free bolt”. It is a direct translation from Russian, that’s why it doesn’t make much sense. So the gun has a delayed blowback action. It is not specified whether it is a roller delayed or lever delayed or anything else.

Overall, the gun seems to be heavily inspired by the FN Five-seveN. Unfortunately, there are no images of the internal parts and no detailed description of the gun by the manufacturer.



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  • Mike K.

    most likely roller delayed. fort purchased used CZ manufacturing lines back in the day. their designs were always noticeably influenced by Czech pistols. it seems likely that they just adopted/redesigned another CZ system in this case Vz. 52

    • Hrachya H

      CZ-52 is not a roller delayed system … it is roller locked.

  • 8166PC1

    I’ve never handled a 5.7x28mm firearm but the recoil is suppose to be less than a 9mm. I always wondered why the 5.7x28mm never became that popular?

    • Richard

      The ammo used to be expensive and hard to find, there weren’t many guns available in it (and they weren’t cheap), and it was/is seen as a useless gimmick.

      • Chris

        Useless Gimmick ? …seemed to be terribly effective for the Moslem nut job Maj. Nidal Hasan at Ft.Hood back in 09 . Screaming ” Allahu Akbar! ” as he shot 45 people …killed 13 ,and wounded 32 !
        That seems fairly effective to me …just saying !
        To be honest ,though the “gun free ” policies on base contributed to the casualty count …remember , when seconds count , cops (MPs )are only Minutes away !

    • previous owner of an AR57

      my speculation on lack of popularity is greater cost per round for performance similar to .22 Win Mag.

      I’ve owned and an AR57 with a 16″ barrel. The recoil on that was a hair over non-existent. my only issue with the round was accuracy but I can’t tell if that was the AR57 or me being terrible at shooting from a bench. At 50 yards I got tack driver accuracy but at 100 yrds it opened up and I couldn’t get groups less than a foot (exaggeration, probably closer to 6″ groups but still terrible)

      • valorius

        A five seven pistol has ballistic performance equivalent to a .22 WMR rifle, with a superior projectile.

        That AR57 you owned with Elite ammunition has performance that is far beyond anything a .22 WMR rifle can replicate.

        • Amplified Heat

          Pretty much, but also with centerfire primers and a rimless cartridge, which improves reliability & ease of function all around. What’s funny, is that the comparison makes many think 5.7 is weak, but in reality 22WMR from even a pistol is a deceptively nasty round (compared to other blowback rounds like 380/32/25 that just poke holes, at least). The truth is 5.7 is more like a 1/3 5.56 performer, which means it’s obviously a capable defense round (this translates to lower-end 9mm power levels, which are also capable defense rounds, but whose lower velocity damages targets in a different manner that relies on expansion & brute penetration, as opposed to tumbling, ricochet, shattering of bone, or jacket fragmentation)

      • Amplified Heat

        Yeah, for some reason people think defensive ammo should cost less than the same thing in a larger caliber because it weighs less, as though material costs are the driving factor for match-quality hollowpoint bullets this small, designed to perform at these velocities. 9mm is indeed cheaper by the pound. The same ‘thinking’ applies to many folks’ perception of the five-seven pistol, since it weighs less than most Airsoft guns, it should be cheaper than a Glock (despite being made to considerably higher standards all around & working on a totally different operating system)

        Your accuracy issues were undoubtedly something to do with the gun or your shooting; ~12MOA is what I get from my pistol iron sites at 100yds if I’m concentrating, the PS90 is easily half that even with a dot sight (it’s not much fun to shoot steel at distance since it’s so quiet)

    • gunsandrockets

      The FN has a fat grip and it was expensive.

      • Bjørn Vermo

        The FN has a very nice grip unless your hands are Trump-size.

        One of the advantages of 5.7mm is that it is not prone to over-penetration. 9mm will go through several walls in an ordinary house. 5.7 will expend all its energy in what you hit. I guess that is one reason why it is used by Secret Service.

        • valorius

          I have fairly large hands and i found it a bit fat for my taste, but still manageable.

        • Amplified Heat

          My one criticism is the checkering, which is borderline painful if you grip it firmly for extended periods. You can just about unclench your hand and expect the gun to remain adhered like velcro hooks were dug into your flesh, lol. My hands remain gridded for a good half hour after a practice session. The gun don’t slip, though.

          • Bjørn Vermo

            Never noticed that. With such a lightweight and low-recoil gun, I never need to grip it all that hard.

          • Bob Simpson

            2 words…….Talon Grips..

      • Amplified Heat

        You mean the grip is loooong. The width really isn’t that bad, it’s just a full quarter inch (or about 20%) longer front to back than 9mm’s. My Hi Power has a fatter grip, but is much more round due to the shorter length. If you have long first digits on your fingers, round grips are less comfortable than longer ones. I find the Tokarev & CZ52 grips surprisingly comfortable as well, but many cannot get a good hold on them. It has less to do with hand size, and more to do with where that first digit past your knuckle lays relative to the trigger.

    • ARCNA442

      The PDW was replaced by the SBR and 5.7 out of a pistol doesn’t really offer anything over 9×19.

      • valorius

        Say what? Elite S4M or T6 out of a five seven pistol will defeat both sides of a level IIIA armor vest (T6 will in fact penetrate -several- level IIIA vests). The pistol also holds 20rds with flush mount mags, and a fully loaded Five Seven is the same weight as an empty glock19. All with half the recoil.

        • ostiariusalpha

          It does well against the hard epoxy plate IIIA armor also, which confounds even +P+ 9mm.

          • valorius

            Tears the crap out of fiberglass armor plate and polycarbonate “bullet proof glass” too.

        • ARCNA442

          Most of the armor out there isn’t IIIA. Both of them will easily punch through I and II and both will be stopped by III and IV. On top of that the most targets, even for the military, don’t wear armor.

          To gain this superior armor penetration against a very small portion of potential targets, you’re trading off quite a bit of lethality since 5.7 relies on tumbling and doesn’t penetrate that deeply in gel testing.

          Sure, light weight and high capacity is nice, but a 9mm will give you a smaller grip circumference and wider ammo selection (50-165 grain commercially available, JHP, AP, subsonic).

          • valorius

            What is level I Armor? Level II armor will stop probably 95% of all 9mm rounds on the market.

            Body armor has become disturbingly common with criminals, and especially with mass shooters.

            Elite S4m penetrates 12.1″ in gel, tumbles end over end, and violently sheds it’s jacket, which expands to about .60 caliber. There are gel tests on you tube.

          • ARCNA442

            Level I armor exists, though I’m not sure if it is still in production.

            While the majority of 9mm sold would probably be stopped by Level II, rounds that would defeat it are readily available if performance against armor is required.

            Note that even in the example you give, 5.7 has only 0.1″ more penetration than the FBI minimum whereas any quality 9mm JHP will give ~15″ and 9mm FMJ will give over 24″.

            While tumbling and fragmenting can result in devastating wounds, it is a rather unreliable mechanism which is reflected in reports of using 4.6 and 5.7.

          • valorius

            Many quality 9mm rounds fall short of 12″ (Speer gold dot 115gr+P+ gets only 10.5″ vs bare gel, for instance). The legendary .357 magnum 125gr SJHP fails most FBI protocol tests rather miserably…but works like gang busters on actual living things. 12.1″ is plenty in my estimation.

            The most comprehensive report of an incident using a 5.7mm pistol was fort hood, where it (sadly) performed with devastating effectiveness.

            So far as i know, level IIA is the lowest NIJ armor rating issued.

            There are very few 9mm rounds on the market that will defeat a level II vest, and most of them have much heavier recoil than 5.7mm.

          • ARCNA442

            The +p+ Gold Dot was a predictable result of chasing velocity numbers and pushing a bullet far faster than it was engineered to perform at. I’m honestly surprised the Speer sold it and I can’t find it on their website anymore.

            The only info I saw where .357 mag 125 gr SJHP failed FBI tests was when fired from a 2″ barrel. Out of a 4″ barrel it appears to perform acceptably though on the lower side.

            Being able to perform devastatingly is not the same as reliably doing so. I prefer consistent performance even if it sacrifices a bit at the top end.

          • valorius

            They still sell it, it is a LE only Duty load. Product code is 53612.

            It also expands to .82 caliber. I would have no qualms whatsoever carrying it. In fact, when i owned a 9mm, i did! 🙂

            I just found it for sale online with a quick google search, $26.99 for 50 rounds- which is dirt cheap for premium defensive ammunition.

            Most 115gr+P+ loadings fall short of 12″ in bare gel. They also deliver up to about 500 fpe of energy and create pretty amazing wounds in ballistics gel.

            Over the years ive seen lots of ammo tests where remington .357 sjhp barely cracked 10″ in bare gel, and forget it vs auto glass.

            I’ve not seen any testing that indicates 5.7mm Elite S4m does not perform consistently. It hits about 2400fps+ from the Five Seven pistol, and over 3000fps from an AR57. That’s what i loaded mine with when i owned a Five Seven.

            20rd capacity, 1/2 the recoil of a 9mm, same weight fully loaded as an empty glock 19, and the ability to deliver devastating wounds even through top end level IIIA armor…not a bad package if you ask me.

            It does have 3 drawbacks: Gun is way overpriced, it is fat around the grip, and the premium ammo is really expensive.

            If glock sold a 5.7mm model i have no doubt they would sell bus loads of the things.

          • You know full well Glock would only release the G57 in 5.7mm GAP, convince a dozen or so police departments to spend three years’ weapons budget on enough to equip half the department, then stop acknowledging its existence when nobody bought it.

          • valorius

            LMAO. 🙂

          • Amplified Heat

            They’ll do a model in 32 Longue before 5.7×28; it’s a pure rivalry thing. I’m sure the only reason they didn’t do one in 4.6×30 is for the same reason HK couldn’t get one to work safely, either.

          • john huscio

            Federal HST > Speer anything. Prefer heavier (135/147gr) bullets as well.

          • valorius

            Other than for suppressed applications I don’t like heavyweight 9mm’s. I’m a speed freak. A strong case can be made for 124gr+P+ loadings from companies like Underwood too though, as they pretty much mimic most factory .357 sig loadings in velocity and energy.

          • Amplified Heat

            If you think about it, you gotta be *real* fat for 12.1″ to not zip through you entirely (since lungs are hollow), which means that in reality, there is a significant overpenetration safety factor baked in. Which becomes more and more unnecessary as defensive bullets are developed that dissipate energy very efficiently; you don’t *need* to guarantee a through and through to ensure sufficient target damage for a reliable stop. At any rate, the 5.7 has a practical rate of fire sufficient to guarantee damage is laid into a target faster and more accurate than 9mm in the hands of most shooters, simply by virtue of its lower recoil.

          • valorius

            During the fort hood shooting, many witnesses reported that they thought there were multiple assailants with assault rifles attacking the facility due to the enormous volume of fire the terrorist achieved with his Five Seven pistol.

          • Chris

            I would like to see the forensic reports from the 13 killed at Hood
            Would bet those 5.7 rounds did a lot more damage than ballistics gell test would suggest! 13 killed and 32 wounded …devastatingly effective !

          • iksnilol

            Never heard of mass shooters in armor to be honest.

          • Y-man

            1986 FBI Miami shootout?
            1997 North Hollywood shootout?

          • valorius

            You’ve never heard of the LA bank robbery?

            According to the police chief of Aurora, Co- james holmes was wearing a ballistic helmet, ballistic vest, ballistic groin protector and ballistic leggings when he shot up that movie theater.

            Jiverly Wong wore body armor when he shot 14 people to death in a NY immigration center.

            Richard Poplawski wore body armor when he ambushed police in Pittsburgh, Pa. He killed 3 cops before he was stopped.

            Now you’ve heard of several mass killers wearing body armor.

          • ostiariusalpha

            I’m not sure that Micah Johnson, the Dallas police shooter, was actually wearing a ballistic vest, but he certainly had some stashed at his residence.

          • valorius

            Glad you mentioned him:

            “According to a CBS report, Micah Johnson was wearing body armor and carrying an SKS assault rifle when he killed five officers and injured seven others on thursday night.”
            Source: The Daily Beast

            So as all these reports clearly illustrate, an FN Five Seven pistol with a loading like Elite S4M, T6 or FN SS190 would in fact have great value as a duty sidearm in shootings like these.

            FN has totally priced itself out of that market though, with the price they ask for the FN Five Seven, it won’t even get consideration.

          • ostiariusalpha

            It certainly might have helped Officer Brent Thompson, who got the drop on Johnson, but reportedly wasn’t able to do more than injure the shooter because his vitals were protected. Officer Thompson was promptly murdered by Johnson in response.

          • valorius

            If he’d have had a Five Seven pistol with Elite T6 or S4M or FN SS190 AP, the rounds would have penetrated any level IIIA vest on the market.

            A lot of dept’s don’t want the cops own gun to penetrate the issued vests though, because a lot of cops are killed with their own guns.

          • Stephen Paraski

            Head Shot.

          • KestrelBike

            Ehhh can’t even trust that source (lol did anyone ever trust cbs?) when they called the rifle an SKS.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3bc3098ffafacf035602ca2831067f23f6a9f566da856570da065f7bd58c2771.jpg

            and no I’m not just nitpicking, dude could have been wearing a load-bearing vest, chest-rig, or even a fishing vest and the media would call it a “military vest that carries unstoppable ceramic plates made out of the same material that wolverine has on his claws”

          • valorius

            One of the cops shot him center mass and it had no effect because he was wearing a vest, as another poster (ostiariusalpha) noted.

          • valorius

            Do you have specific information that states he wasn’t wearing armor, contrary to reports?

          • Tassiebush

            That was an awful business but the way police got him with a bomb disposal robot carrying explosives was a joy to hear about!

          • ostiariusalpha

            Who can forget its last victory cry of “Algorithm Spacebar!” just before detonating, right? I really hope the robot got its 72 virgin circuit boards in the Great Compiler.

          • Tassiebush

            Oh man you have written a lot of funny stuff over the years (even red skull) but this one is just so damn good!

          • Chris

            Bad Guy up in Tyler Texas shot up the court house in2005 ,a citizen Mark Wilson )shot the guy in the chest stopping his rampage , unfortunately bad guy was wearing a vest and he popped back up and shoot and killed our good guy !
            Due to the pause in bad guys attack,that Wilson’s actions caused , officers were able to exit courthouse and after a pursuit shot and killed bad guy !
            Another case of bad guy with gun and body armor !
            There is a plaque in front of the Tyler courthouse honoring Mark Wilson’s sacrifice .

          • You have to be paying attention to the first 24 hours of reporting on a massacre/spree killing, when everyone from Twitter to The Times is still reporting nonsense like “multiple shooters” and “dozens killed”; the same way there never turns out to be more than just the one a-hole with an AR, that BULLETPROOF VEST!!1! always turns out to be either a ~~tactical~~ vest or an empty plate carrier.

          • valorius

            Actually, not always, no. In the cases i listed above the shooter(s) did in fact wear body armor.

          • Amplified Heat

            Or a fleece from LL Bean

          • Tassiebush

            I’ve heard of a few.

          • DennisBechtel

            gel tests aren’t realistic ,try shooting at a big piece of ham .that will simulate human flesh with penetration tests for projectiles fired from many modern firearms.how we test loads here at thee rancho.’

          • valorius

            There are many pork roast tests of 5.7mm ammo on you tube. Check out “buffman”s channel

        • DennisBechtel

          even better is the double price of a 5.7 over a glock 17 ,this pistol is cheap to produce ,betting they won’t be happy with me after this at f.n. might just lose my discount.

          • valorius

            I agree 100% that the Five SeveN is outrageously priced.

          • DennisBechtel

            used around here you can pick up a 5 7 for about 1 thousand bucks they hold their price because of exclusivity of the round and the FN name ,I belive most fn firearms are pretty robust and accurate ,I even have an FN ar-15 rifle ,and its a real shooter ,my fav. is an fnx .45 acp ,quite accurate and at 650 bucks new not bad at all ,still getting my discount as prior serviceman and got to test some nice fn guns ,love the ballista ,in .338 lapus and ,50 bmg although its a bit pricey for a normal shooter . .

          • valorius

            Five SeveN should be about $500 on the merits of its construction. It is afterall just another polymer pistol.

      • roguetechie

        ROFL

        Seriously I’m gonna strap on my LOLerblades and skate around your neighborhood with a paste board with your picture on it and a stupid tattoo photo shopped onto your forehead for this comment

      • valorius

        To play devils advocate, a 5.7mm carbine or PDW has -vastly- less recoil than a 5.7mm sbr, especially in full auto fire. It also has far less muzzle blast. It has identical armor penetration as a 5.56mm SBR. The ammo also weighs about half as much as 5.56mm, and the 5.7mm ammo can also be used in your duty pistol, if you’re carrying a Five Seven.

        I think 5.7mm is still ahead of it’s time. A lot of old school dinosaurs have to die off before it’ll really take off. That, and the gun is really way over priced.

        • Amplified Heat

          I think it’s just that what it does is less understood. Heck, it took until the 90’s for decent, reliable 9mm hollowpoints to come around, and their job is pretty simple considering the amount of mass and moderate velocity and monolithic target under consideration. 5.7 is designed to run a really fragile bullet fast enough to shear through a thin/light rigid barrier or armor, which means a delicate balance between splattering against the armor layer or zipping right through the nougat center without deformation or tumbling. It’s light weight necessarily means it will be deflected by massive elements like bones or carried items more so than a heavier slug, which adds another layer of unpredictability (this is my belief for why test results are sometimes unimpressive, but real-world documented use is generally quite compelling). So you could get a hip or knee shot that destroys the joint utterly (e.g. Fort Hood) or COM hits into the belly that don’t seem to drop a target as assertively (alleged from a couple law-enforcement sources that claimed 25rnds from a P90 were needed to drop a guy; something that simple logic suggests is ridiculous, and is probably explained by the shooter holding a sustained burst on the guy all the way down to the ground because the recoil is so low but ROF so high, then complaining afterward how many rounds were needed)

          • valorius

            5.7mm will need a projectile of the same configuration as M855A1 or M80A1 to see it’s full potential realized.

        • ARCNA442

          I actually think 5.7 was a step in the right direction, it just had the wrong objectives and the technology wasn’t quite there.

          What it got right was designing a modern round to solve a particular problem while minimizing size and weight instead of simply trying to get more performance out of 50 or 100 year old designs.

          However, I think the objectives should be different. Carbine performance would be something like 6″ of drop and lethal energy at 300 yards and the pistol would meet FBI standards while expanding to 0.5″ in diameter. Neither of these is particularly demanding and should allow for reduction in weight and recoil.

          • ostiariusalpha

            What 5.7mm could really use is its own lighter grain version of the EPR bullet like M855A1 has. That way it would maintain its inherent penetration capabilities, but also increase its wounding potential against unarmored opponents; which is something that it gets ragged on continuously in comparison to well made 9mm defensive ammo.

          • valorius

            The FN SS197 Vmax round in 5.7mm does expand nicely, but it won’t penetrate any type of body armor, even from a P90. The Vmax version loaded by Elite ammo is a good deal hotter and will penetrate level II from the pistol, but is very expensive. I don’t think it quite reaches .50″ expansion though.

      • Amplified Heat

        Well, a loaded five-seven weighs as much as an empty G17 but recoils 1/3-1/2 less, and you can plink at stuff 100yds away with minimal holdover (reloading less often, and with loaded mags that weigh much less than 9mm equivalents), and you can reliably defeat many lower-end soft body armors & thin hard barriers with ammunition that –unlike 9mm AP– will actually still perform well in tissue. But yeah, apart from that, it’s nothing but compromises.

    • Jeff Smith

      Someone already mentioned that 5.7mm performance out of a handgun isn’t too stellar, but part of that is due to FN (the predominate maker of 5.7mm ammo) doesn’t, to my knowledge, sell the armor piercing varients of the ammo on the civilian market. Other companies sell armor piercing 5.7mm, but it’s ridiculously expensive, to the tune of $2-$3 per round.

      • valorius

        SS190 is legal to own.

        Elite Ammunition 5.7mm ammo can hit nearly 400fpe of energy from a five seven pistol, with velocities in the range of 2500fps. Totally transforms the beast.

        • No one

          Funny Story, back in around 2013, FN put out waivers not to use anything but “approved ammunition” (basically their own loadings and American Eagle who they basically endorsed to let load 5.7x28mm commercially) because they made up some story about how other loaders who weren’t named, but pretty obviously targeted at hot loaders like EA and VO “didn’t use properly treated cases” (even though EA and VO both us FN brass) and that the higher pressures would cause catastrophic malfunctions that would injure or kill you.

          I’m paraphrasing alot, I probably still have the sheet somewhere (though, even though I bought my FiveSeven in 2015, I literally didn’t get that really damaged paper printed in may of 2013 until this year when I was buying more ammo out of nowhere from the cashier.) but it did basically fuel my thoughts that FN intentionally underloads their ammo for legal reasons because, in the event a “non ap” round DID penetrate a vest without them intending to, the s–tshorm would be incredibly. mainly since after I got that paper, I scoured the internet for stories related to it and never found a single instance of a FiveSeven suffering catastrophic malfunction because it was using EA, VO or some other type of “off brand” ammunition.

          FN is really weird when it comes to who they let actually load 5.7mm without giving them s–t about it, which is why for the longest time they held their own monopoly on ammunition for it.

          If you REALLY want, I can dig up the photo I took of that paper because I got a laugh out of it on how I received it 2 years after I bought the gun and 4 years after it was printed. (the damage to the paper was evident it was somewhat old.)

          • valorius

            SS192, 195 and 198 will defeat many type of level II or even some IIIA vests. All vests are not created equal, and some age a lot better than others.

            If you can find it please post that letter.

          • No one

            It may take a few hours to actually show up because guest accounts get auto modded over links and pictures alot, but here you go.

            (And yes, I’m a terrible photographer, I can only do so much with an S7 Edge phone camera anyway.)

            http://i.imgur.com/599BL8k.jpg

          • valorius

            Thanks for posting it. 🙂

          • DennisBechtel

            does the trick you are a good photographer as I am with my edge phone also .often wondered what the special coating was ? I use steel cases to be shot in my over loaded 5 seven pistols ,haven’t hurt anything as yet .

          • No one

            Yeah, It wiped my reply because it has a photo in it, the Disqus auto moderator is really annoying. (Will probably appear later though, usually does.)

          • No one

            And yes, that is the EXACT shape I received the document in, it was probably sitting there collecting dust for those 4 years before someone randomly handed it to me after seeing I was buying 5.7x28mm ammo.

          • DennisBechtel

            believe that fn does indeed underload their 5.7 x28 ammo .have handloaded several versions .much hotter than factory ,better range but voided my warranty ,I don’t really care although I’m careful not to load very hot 5.7×28 rounds the pistol seems rather light built for a little rifle caliber projectile to be shot through it. but quite accurate as well .I use steel cases when I overload the 5.7 rounds ,much stronger .and I don’t want to be even more disfigured from a case in battery burstingbthrough the chamber wall .

        • Jeff Smith

          SS190 is legal to own, but FN just doesn’t sell it on the civilian market.

          Thanks for mentioning Elite Ammo – I was trying to remember the company that sold good quality ammo, but couldn’t think of the name! Elite makes good quality ammo (including AP ammo), but it’s not cheap by any means. Also, doesn’t using anything other than FN ammo void your warranty?

          • valorius

            I suppose if you tell FN that you were using other than FN ammo it would void your warranty…which would be mighty dumb.

            Me: “Yep, i was using FN SS198 high performance LE ammo.”

            SS190 AP is available on gunbroker and armslist pretty much every day, but the stuff might as well be plated in gold for the price they ask for it. SS198 LE Only is also on both sites, and is a lot more reasonably priced. It’s loaded about 100 fps hotter than civilian FN SS195 is.

            Elite T6 outperforms SS190 in every way, and is less expensive.

    • valorius

      The recoil is about half that of a 9mm. They are massively overpriced guns, that’s why they’re not more common.

    • RealitiCzech

      Recoil is less. Very pleasant guns to shoot. Ammo has been pricey, and the Five-Seven started out at $1000 years back – with new ones slightly more these days.

  • gunsandrockets

    Hey, how about a single column 8 shot mag Boberg pistol with a 6 inch barrel in 5.7x28mm?

    • ostiariusalpha

      ^This. That would be sweet. I don’t even particularly like 5.7x28mm, but I’d buy that just because.

    • Amplified Heat

      How about any Boberg pistols at all? Also yes, in 5.7×28 (30carbine would also be a laugh riot). I’d make it double stack 10-12 round, though; the barrel/action is itself wide enough to accomodate a double stack, and a single row magwell that small would be on the obnoxiously-narrow side. Maybe if a narrow barrel/lock action design like a tilt-barrel or delayed blowback were used, a sub 3/4″ wide piece would be doable.

    • DennisBechtel

      I would buy the single stack boberg in 5.7x28mm I have two fn five sevens I bought used and unfired for 800 bucks for both pistols .nice shooters ,I usually carry a cz p-o 9 x19 round ,9mm and a glock 22 in 40 s&w,with sev 22 rnd mags .my rifle choice is a sig 716 ,so I can reach out and hit a target at 800 yds.also with a whisky 5 sig scope that came on the dmr rifle.

  • Hoplopfheil

    Oh mercy! I’ll take one!

    I still really wish I could get my hands on an MP443 Grach.

    • Anonymoose

      I want a PL-14.

      • Bob in Houston

        Same here tho I want one of these Fort-28s as well since the Five-seveN doesn’t look like its ever going to be reasonably priced.

    • rklk

      interestingly, A online gun store in Australia stocks the civilian version of the MP443, the Viking

      • AHill

        A few of these came into Canada until the whole Ukraine thing and the sanctions cut them off.

  • valorius

    Double Action Only? Sure it is.

  • Sledgecrowbar

    I’ve been curious about 5.7×28 but wanted to do a handgun and a carbine if I was going to get into it at all, and thus far didn’t like any of the options. The Five-Seven is insultingly priced, the Masterpiece Arms is a glorified 2×4, and I didn’t know about Excel Arms until reading this, but their pistol has a 9-round capacity. It seem like the best option, looking at the price and the fact that it’s a real, honest handgun, but what were they thinking with that capacity?

    • Jared Vynn

      You may want to look into 22 TCM, similar performance to 5.7×28 but you can get it in 1911 (single or double stack), Glock, and a tangfolio (polymer or steel frame) and there is a bolt action chambered for it.

      • noob

        I hope somebody will make long magwel 22tcm loads with bullets that are less stubby. Maybe be able to duplicate the 5.7mm’s bc if we can get past the OAL restrictions in a carbine with a magazine outside the grip

        • Wow!

          Just fold your own magazine. That is what I did. Still works in a grip. I did it on a MAC-11/9 build and just folded a new grip magwell. A little bulkier per mag than an MP7 but a lot smaller profile than an MP7 and a heck of a lot more energy. I call it my MP7 killer. That said, 22TCM9R still functions well even with blunt and stubby bullets.

          • noob

            That’s a cool build – hk won’t sell the mp7 in semi, but you can make your own. I think there’s a market for that weapon.

            i wonder how long OAL 22tcm can go. There are some pretty heavy 5.56 projectiles for sale. The better the BC the more energy it would have beyond handgun distances. If the case taper on 22tcm is flat enough and they are coated in a lubricant could they function in a custom p90 style mag?

          • Robert Kalani Foxworthy

            Hk does sell mp7 they just hard to find

          • Wow!

            Yes, they are hard to find because they do not sell to citizens. You may be thinking of TFB doing a practical joke a year or so where they reviewed an airsoft MP7 as if it was real. My department got real MP7s and to be honest there really isn’t anything impressive about them. They are expensive MACs. They are easier to speed reload than a P90, but a P90 is a lot easier to use as well as being far cheaper to train with. Generally though, if anyone wants a rifle, they start out with an AR in 5.56 with thin walled hollow point bullets which is faster to reload and easier to handle than an mp7 or p90

          • Robert Kalani Foxworthy

            I was referring to that but they do or did sell a civilian variant in Canada.

          • Wow!

            Ah, okay. That makes sense.

          • Wow!

            I have done a P90 clone in 22TCM (retrofited from my 9mm/ 357 sig/40 clone, but I haven’t finalized the dimensions yet. It is doable though. Basically I take my straight walled SMG/Carbine magazines, don’t form the feed lips and instead spot weld a module made of bent washers which form the rotary style feed lips.

            The problem with OAL is weight. The heavier you go, you run into a problem where to maintain energy you either have to use faster powders (which exceed the pressure limits) or more of the slower powder (which exceeds the case capacity). 22TCM will never be a 5.56. You can make it subsonic, but that is pointless. Use the longer oal to use light bullets, but with a very long ogive to provide more expansion on impact as well as to conserve energy over distance. Note that because you are using drastically longer bullets, the barrel twist rate will be different than the RIA twists. Then again, I don’t buy factory ammo so It is no problem for me to use a different twist rate.

  • That… Actually really interests me. Import plz?

    • noob

      I wonder what the locking mechanism is in the Ukrainian gun. I never understood the weird little lever delay in the FN pistol either because all the depictions of it seem to imply the barrel moves but i thought the barrel was fixed?

      • Amplified Heat

        The barrel is more or less able to slide forward/backward. During firing, the pressure causes the case to stick to the chamber enough that the barrel is drug back some along with the slide. This reduces the effective speed the breech opens just enough that case doesn’t pop during its very high but very brief peak pressure phase. To be honest, the Ukrainian’s translated jargon sounds like a very similar concept, which may also explain why the guns look so similar in the slide area.

        Allegedly, FNH did blowback not because it was cheaper, but because the array of 5.7 service rounds didn’t produce enough (or rather, consistent enough) recoil to operate a more typical action design.

        • noob

          Thanks! I didn’t realize the barrel could reciprocate. Is that what the lever does – return the barrel to the forward position? I couldn’t see the lever being used to slow the opening of the breech by mechanical disadvantage because the slide seems to be all one piece.

    • Amplified Heat

      Right after the Norinco SIG clones in 7.62×25, I’m sure.

      Where are you Trump? You have the power to end this!

      • int19h

        Are you seriously expecting a president who ran on a protectionist “we’ll make it in USA” platform – one of the few things about his platform that stayed consistent, in fact – to embrace imports? And from China, which he specifically castigates as ruining American manufacturing? In a domestic manufacturing sector that’s one of the few remaining ones where American businesses still dominate? At a time where said businesses are actually having some problems, and are forced to lay workers off?

        • Wow!

          I can see Trump freeing up sanctions and replacing them with high tariffs, but right now 2A and guns is very low on the list of priorities.

      • Mike

        Yes, I want the Sig clone in 7.62×25.
        What happened to the Savage bolt gun in 5.7×28?

  • For a pistol firing a moon round, this doesn’t at all look like it came from space. Quite a handsome piece, it’s nice to see manufacturers remembering that aesthetics are actually important when it comes to sales.

    • Amplified Heat

      Looks an awful lot like a five-seven, to me. In fact, the “semi-floating” chamber or whatever sounds very similar to the FN’s floating barrel arrangement (blowback with a ‘loose’ barrel, using chamber friction to loosely couple the barrel and slide enough to keep the breech closed during peak pressure)

  • 22winmag

    Liberty Civil defense ammo in common calibers like 9mm, .40S&W, and 10mm has made the 5.7×28 more or less obsolete: roughly equal velocity (better in 10mm) and better terminal performance at normal self defense ranges.

    Sure the 5.7×28 has a slight advantage in magazine capacity and can outrange Civil Defense for those Hollywood 50+ yard defense situations. However, in the real world, you can get TWO VERY NICE common caliber pistols and 500 rounds (at $1/round) of Civil Defense for the price of just one FN 5.7 pistol.

    • No one

      Man, I was wondering when the aspiring Liberty Ammunition employee of the year would show up with his usual sh illing.

      How much do you get paid to do this exactly?

      • 22winmag

        Just the facts ma’am.

        • No one

          The fact you don’t understand ballistics and you’re really obviously a paid sh ill or LA employee?

          How did losing that US Army patent troll lawsuit go over with you guys anyway?

    • Or you could buy Remington Golden Saber and have a round that’s more effective at half the cost.

      • No one

        But my velocity! What does sectional density and beyond barrier performance mean?!

        • 22winmag

          Expansion thrills and explosively fragmenting kills.

          • No one

            *Explosively doesn’t go in deep enough for the fragments to do anything because you don’t understand what sectional density is or why it’s important, mainly if your attacker is behind any sort of cover in your house or outside at all!

            I suppose that doesn’t quite have the same mall ninja marketing ring to it though.

      • valorius

        Remington Golden saber 9mm ammo wont penetrave even lightweight level IIA armor. I think he mentioned Liberty defense because it’s been shown to defeat many types of body armor, which is 5.7mm’s greatest asset (with the proper type of ammunition).

        • No one

          On the other hand, let’s take vests out of the equation for a second and just go with a perpetrator in moderately thick clothing. Golden Saber (mainly the bonded versions) will at least penetrate deep enough in all types of flesh and is far more effective against bone with consistent expansion and overall a more consistent, deadlier wound profile over Civil Defense which fragments going all of like 4, maybe 5″ inches in due to it’s terrible sectional density with the little near weightless “ashtray” going 12″ sometimes, which allows them to technically claim it passes FBI standards. This is mainly at non point blank ranges or when having to shoot through lighter-intermediate cover (where CD will likely prematurely fragment.) is a factor and any half decent JHP will demolish them in actual real world performance.

          They’re not “quite” as bad as Lehigh Defense (And at least Lehigh’s Controlled Chaos round is pretty good actually, which is ironically like the only non gimmick rounds they make), but It is infact marketed to mall ninja garbage who don’t know any better about ballistics.

          • 22winmag

            FBI standards = all about the Miami shootout car door and windshield penetration

            Civil Defense, Guard Dog, Fiocchi EMB = all about real world typical range self defense performance

          • No one

            Like when your attacker still gets up and shoots back at you because you used a round that can only get it’s *EXPLOSIVE FRAGMENTS!* to go 4″ into gel, and even worse in actual tissue and bone?

            Also, clearly cars are the only thing an attacker can take cover in/behind, and clearly a round so light for it’s caliber it will bleed MV like a stuck pig even at the muzzle is the round of the future!

            Also, you should clearly buy Federal Guard Dog (yet another failed round) over the HST line, which is, you know, an actual good, proven design!

          • valorius

            I’m not trying to defend the liberty defense rounds in 9mm.

          • No one

            Never said you were, the statement was more debunking captain LA employee’s usual sh illing.

        • 22winmag

          I’m not sure the *potential* to pierce armor is/was the 5.7’s greatest asset. I thought the low recoil, increased mag capacity, and good terminal performance were the major appeal.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Piercing armor with a high sectional density bullet is the entire reason that 5.7x28mm and 4.6x30mm were created in the first place. Otherwise they would have just made a rimless magnum version of .32 ACP, and the gun would be shooting something called 7.65x33mm instead.

          • valorius

            They are also strong points of the caliber.

    • valorius

      No, and here’s why:

      A FN57 loaded with 20rds is lighter than a empty glock 19.
      5.7mm ammo has approx 1/2 the recoil of 9mm NATO ammo.
      5.7mm ammo is approx 1/2 the weight of 9mm ammo.

      You are absolutely right that the Five Seven pistol is ridiculously priced though. It should legitimately be a $500 gun. If it was, they’d sell them by the truckload.

      • FarmerB

        Yes, I’ve read all your comments on here and found it all very informative. But as you point out, the cost is the overriding factor, both for duty issue and military use. For those dollars, and the specialized role, i cannot see its use outside crack CT or SAS CT work until the economics change. Would they sell a truckload at $500? I don’t know, but I cannot see much future until something changes.

        I think the mass shooters in body armor thing is likely overblown, although they do obviously exist. If you issue a gun that can defeat most body armor to every neighborhood plod, then police will obviously die from being shot with their own gun defeating their own armor.

        To me, it’s like this. If I’m an officer, I know that every gunfight I get into, there is a very low probability that the target will be somehow armored. However, there is 100% certainty that I will be armored. This means that the statistics are not in my favour. I’d want to carry ammunition that most likely would NOT defeat my armour unless I was doing a job that significantly increased the probability that the target is wearing armour.

        • valorius

          The cost is undeniably way too much.

      • 22winmag

        Why you would bring up 124 grain 9mm NATO ammo? It’s 124 grain projectile weighs twice 2.5 times as much as the Liberty 50 grain projectile, and Liberty certainly has reduced recoil over the NATO round.

        • No one

          Because 124 gr ammunition actually works?

  • BrandonAKsALot

    I want. I had a Fiveseven and just did not like it. I’d love to have a pistol that’s enjoyable to shoot in 5.7.

  • toms

    There is no legal reason why this could not be imported to the USA and it looks like a fine pistol. I will say this about Fort, a more backward soviet corrupted bureaucracy you will not find in Ukraine. Getting Fort to actually sell anything to anyone other than MVD is a losing proposition. They have no incentive to actually procure contracts and are being pushed out by more free market based companies. I wonder if they dropped there IWI licensed weapons as well?

  • Fox Hunter

    Cool! we need more guns in this chambering, including uzis and m3a1 greaseguns, even sterlings.

  • supergun

    The following comments below gets really deep. Think I will just enjoy my FN Five-Seven.