Winner Of Pakistani Trials To Be Locally Produced

Earlier we reported that Česká zbrojovka (CZ) had tentative plans to partner with Pakistan Ordnance Factory (POF) to locally produce a licensed variant of the CZ 807 in 7.62x39mm locally within Pakistan. Most recently we have seen official confirmation that POF is taking serious steps to produce the rifle in its entirety, with a full hand over of the technical data package and manufacturing rights from CZ to POF.

From Quwa-

The official stated: “Recently we have [CZ] signed a letter-of-understanding with POF, and we are ready to transfer, the full transfer (sic) of modern technology from CZ to Pakistan, to POF, so we can produce the most modern and most advanced assault rifles in the world at POF.”

Under the LoU signed at IDEAS, POF and CZ agreed to “negotiate delivery of complete technology for the production of small arms … [with] gradual launching of production in Pakistan, ranging from light assembly to maximum localization.” It appears that CZ had a follow-up meeting with Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) at IDEX 2017, which took place in Abu Dhabi in February.

CZ is among several competitors bidding to secure Pakistan’s next-generation standard-issue assault and battle rifle programs. The Pakistan Army intends to gradually replace its Heckler & Koch G-3 7.62×51 mm battle rifles and NORINCO Type 56 7.62×39 mm assault rifles. FN Herstal and Beretta are also competing with the SCAR and ARX platforms, respectively. The Pakistani television network Samaa TV reported that the SCAR-H and Beretta ARX-200 were shortlisted to supplant the HK G-3.

The winner(s) of Pakistan’s small-arms requirements will see their products manufactured under license at POF. If finalized, these products will form a core component of POF’s next-generation product catalogue for domestic and overseas markets. This would be a significant program for all parties involved, especially since it would amount to large-scale production spanning decades and, potentially, exports to third-party markets such as the Arab Gulf and Sub-Saharan Africa.

However, this doesn’t necessarily mean a military adoption of the 807 by the Pakistani Army. Still in the competition is the Beretta ARX and FN SCAR along with the CZ 807. From a cost standpoint, I can’t imagine the SCAR faring very well against the Italian and Czech designs. As time goes on, the stakes are becoming higher for those involved, most likely CZ and Beretta, leaving FNH out of the equation due to cost. In an additional plot

As time goes on, the stakes are becoming higher for those involved, most likely CZ and Beretta, leaving FNH out of the equation due to cost. In an additional plot twist, we also reported earlier that POF signed similar letters of understanding with Beretta. Beretta has had relative success with the ARX in 7.62x39mm, specifically with contracts in Egypt and in Kazakhstan for special operations forces, so the Pakistani 7.62x39mm competition should have had initial production issues worked out with by now.

If either wins it will be the first large-scale break out of both weapon systems outside of Europe for general military adoption. But this also doesn’t just have implications for the Pakistani military, as POF exports a number of products outside of Pakistan as well. Especially to Gulf states that are currently the companies largest export buyers.



Miles

Infantry Marine, based in the Midwest. Specifically interested in small arms history, development, and usage within the MENA region and Central Asia. To that end, I run Silah Report, a website dedicated to analyzing small arms history and news out of MENA and Central Asia. You can also follow us on Twitter- @Silah_Report

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  • Frank

    Dang the Bore-to-Sight height is stupid on all of them…

  • SP mclaughlin

    Lookin’ real dynamic there with SCAR iron sights flipped down.
    Also is that a Caucasian Pakistani soldier?

    • yodamiles

      A lot of northern Indian and Pakistani​ are very light skin. I have many indian family friends who look practically Caucasian….Apart from thier names

      • snmp

        Simply, they are the real Indo-Aryan peoples. By the way, the real causasian are Chechens, Cherkess , Ingush…… and Circassians

        • El Duderino

          Look up Friedrich Blumenbach. He categorized the old school 19th century “races” and felt the people of modern day Georgia best typified the “white” race. It’s all perspective really. To a Northern European, someone from Georgia or Iran wouldn’t look “white” but to someone from Nigeria they sure would.

          • :(

            theds recist!!11

          • jcitizen

            LOL!

          • snmp

            Georgian are Christian Turic people and Iranian are Indo-european and the really Aryan pepole. The german are Indo-european but they are not Aryan people.

      • dingtingting minglingling

        See Us UN ambassador Niki Haley. She is a injun of the ting ting ting mmm rum pum pie variety.

        • Sgt 404

          Thousand praises on the holy holy elephant, monkey and cow, Pajeet!

    • Shape

      Low drag, high speed, no aim

      • Anonymoose

        Allah will guide his bullets into the hearts of the infidels.

    • Dougscamo

      That’s because most residents of what was India are Caucasian or Caucasoid….Pakistan included….

    • Jeff Smith

      That’s because you can’t miss what you never aimed at to begin with.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5b7f5b9550d02ed92e102c3c7fd0ac72073f795486f7226178a68fce7a1d67b6.jpg

    • Jeffrey

      They are all Caucasian except for those lining back to Khan. What’s the point.

    • Jarrar Pasha

      He’s just posing for camera.

  • lostintranslation

    GIGN Adopts CZ 806 Bren 2 in 7.62×39
    Also: “tentative plans to partner with Pakistan Ordnance Factory (POF) to locally produce a licensed variant of the CZ 807 in 7.62x39mm”

    But, but……they’re not in 5.56×45?

    • Shape

      Is there enough 5.56×45 in Pakistan? Whats theyr current round? Surely they dont have some nice M855A1 EPR

      • Joshua

        No one but the US and a few very select foreign SF units have M855A1.

        It’s not a round were planning on giving out to every 5.56 country.

        • Shape

          Ofcourse, im just saying they dont have the nice stuff. And whats theyr current standart round propably 7.62×39 right?

          • john huscio

            Their standard is 7.62×51…….kinda weird that the Turkish MPT76 wasn’t in the running…,

          • JoelC

            While both Turkey and Pakistan are majority Sunni, they are still rivals. Probably part of the reason it wasn’t in the running.

          • Syed Bushra

            Plenty of Turkish business operate in Pakistan. Just a few months ago, a Turkish company acquired Dawlance, a Pakistani appliances company, for $243m. Additionally, Pakistan is reportedly interested in the MİLGEM project so its absurd to say that Pakistan Army turned down MPT-76 simply because of its Turkish origins. There must have been operational or budgetary constraints which MPT-76 didn’t meet.

          • Jarrar Pasha

            It was, it failed.

        • FarmerB

          And they’ll want to make it themselves, and probably don’t have the technology to do it. I suppose they could buy it in, but the bigger problem is that the round is just too expensive for developing countries.

          • Joshua

            It’s not a cheap round to make(although because of bulk it is now running cheaper than M855 was oddly enough).

            Second the powder used is a secret of St. Marks and is easily the most advanced rifle powder developed today.

            SMP-842 is pushing M855A1 at 2,970 FPS from a 14.5″ barrel at a chamber pressure of 54,204PSI.

            That is a higher FPS than WC 844 pushing M855, at a lower chamber pressure, while also eliminating 99% of the muzzle flash, and also decoppering the bore to make it easier to clean.

            M855A1 would be quite the challenge to duplicate even to modern nations.

          • JoelC

            That’s seriously the chamber pressure? I thought initially they expected it to be around 65,000PSI?

            That powder sounds amazing. Can we get it surplused like some of the other St. Marks powders?

          • Joshua

            Not currently. I don’t know if they plan to ever offer it on the civilian market….But sometimes if you’re lucky you can find some online…Similar to how you can find M855A1 online.

            Yes, that is the current numbers on M855A1.

            2,970FPS, 54,204 PSI chamber, and 16,789PSI at the gas port from a M4A1.

    • No one

      Pakistan has used 7.62x39mm for ages with old Chinese AKs (and old G3 rifles to go with them!)

      But clearly this has everything to do with 5.56mm being worse then 7.62x39mm (LOLOL) then Pakistan having a small military budget and not wanting to switch their entire standard issue ammunition caliber and incur the costs and time to do it that come with it.

  • Friend of Tibet

    I like the EOTECH optic camo sight on Mk16 if you haven’t noticed……

  • Ευστάθιος Παλαιολόγος

    The photos are like “hold still man, and we’ll swap the weapon and take another picture”
    flanker7

    • common sense

      That’s pretty much it, I mean, it’s a photo shoot by a military. While Pakistan’s ISPR tends to do a fairly good job with such things, even they can fail; Note the sights on the scar.

  • Alexandru Ianu

    Uhm, the part from “As time goes on” to “additional plot” is repeated in the article…

  • Friend

    Pfft, Aiming… who needs aiming. It’s a SCAR, it’ll use some kind of scary NSW magic to guide the munitions to the target. And if that fails you can use it as a club… wait, you can’t, you’ll break the stock. Does anyone consider that the SCAR 17 is kind of a professional’s weapon? You can’t really expect a someone who doesn’t know to flip up the sights to use it effectively. You’ll take off your own thumb before you hit anything.

    • Common sense

      It’s a photo shoot, your failure to realize something so basic is a disappointment.

      • Friend

        Sure, it’s a photo shoot, but you should still flip the sights. It’s really not that hard. If anything especially for a photo shoot because then you avoid goofballs like me calling you unprofessional. 🙂

        I’m sorry you missed the sarcasm in my earlier post… I make fun of the SCAR, OK?

  • Zarwan

    Latest reports suggest SCAR have won the trial we knew about the costs before we started trials so which ever Rifle will perform best will win the trial

    • Stuki Moi

      “perform best” will also include input from those who will be involved in local manufacturing. Not just final assembly, but sub assemblies and components as well.

      I’m not up on the differences between the SCAR and the others wrt to production processes, but if the SCAR is universally more expensive, there are likely reasons for it. Some key components of the design requiring tighter tolerances; or requiring harder steel putting more wear on tooling etc. A design that is “best” for Germany, with it’s sky-high GDP/rifleman, and layers upon layers of the highest end precision manufacturing at every level, may not be “best” for Pakistan. Or, honestly, as HKs woes sort of attest to, the “best” for anywhere but Germany.

      If this is really a million rifle contract, those things start to matter. A lot. Doubly so since I’m sure Pakistan wants to make sure that even if embargoed, they will be able to continue the manufacturing, servicing and upkeep of their primary small arm without undue interruption.

  • Jarrar Pasha

    I’d like to disagree with this report. SCAR has performed very well in hot & high conditions and also passed a 10,000 round test. SCAR is expensive in small numbers but when the production enters Pakistan, it’ll become affordable because Pakistan is looking for 1 million rifles over 8-10 year period to replace, G-3, Type-56 and MP-5s. Pakistan’s current military budget stands at $9 billion, so if a 1% increase is added each year of the rifle acquisition, we’re talking over $100 billion USD over the next decade to be allocated to the Military. I believe Pakistan can pay for these rifles over a decade. SCAR already has scored an order with the Special Services Wing of the Pakistan Air Force who are replacing FN-2000 with SCAR-L.