BREAKING: Civilian Marksmanship Program May Receive 86,000 M1 Garand Rifles from the Philippines

The Civilian Marksmanship Program has received word that the Philippine government could be shipping 86,000 M1 Garand rifles back to the United States for distribution to American civilian shooters. Mark Johnson, Chief Operating Officer of the CMP, commented on the possible upcoming delivery to The Firearm Blog:

There are 86,000 or so M1s hopefully coming back to the Army.  We hope to see them in the future.

This would be one of the largest shipments of M1 Garand rifles back to the US in recent years, and since the CMP only has to pay the cost to ship the rifles back to America (as the guns are already owned by the US government), it’s likely that these would come in at a very affordable cost relative to the wider M1 Garand market. In other words, this shipment may be your big chance to pick up one of General George S. Patton’s “most deadly rifle in the world” for yourself!

If you are interested in buying one of these CMP M1 Garands when (or if) they hit the CMP store and haven’t gone through the process of CMP approval before, be sure to check out my two-part article on how to qualify and get your very own M1 rifle. It’s a very special feeling to have a rifle shipped directly to your door, courtesy of the US government (via the CMP), and I highly recommend to everyone that can to try it at least once!

Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He is also the author of the original web serial Heartblood, which is being updated and edited regularly. He can be reached via email at


  • allannon

    Well, damn…and I thought I’d be chasing an M1 for another decade. Hopefully there’ll be a post when they hit the CMP’s “shelves”?

  • plumber576

    So should I just have work direct deposit my paycheck in the North Store’s account?

  • Anonymoose

    And there goes the value of the M1s currently in the country.

    • plumber576

      Based on the history of CMP pricing and that they generally seem to climb I assume it won’t crater the market.

    • RSG

      Unfortunately, that’s the same attitude that machine gun owners have and why they work against the rest of us whenever talk of repealing the Hughes amendment boils up. It’s actually disgusting. More of the FUDD, “I’ve got mine” BS that has made them as reviled as the anti gun fascists.

      • John

        I’m a long-time MG owner and collector.

        I sure hope one day Hughes is repealed, but I’ll not hold my breath on that one. But if it were to happen, I’ll have a lot of new ones!

        • Jay

          I’m a MG owner and I’d love to see the nfa nuked

          • William Wayne

            What about the Hughes Amendment to FOPA?

        • Amplified Heat

          Or hardly any MG owners…

      • milesfortis

        You don’t speak for this machinegun owner either.
        Looks like your Broadbrush insult just upped and kicked your ass.

        922(o) can go away and I’ll be the first to jump up and down with glee.

        Oh, I don’t think anyone here expects an apology even though you need to post one.

    • John Terry

      Yeah…I mean the other 6 million+ rifles, of which we’ll just say half still exist, will REALLY be hurt by bringing in 86k…..

      Unless every last one of them is mint and in the wrapper, I don’t think the value of Garands stateside have anything to worry about except adding a couple of friends.

      • nicholsda

        I need another M1. My IHC is lonesome for a fellow tractor gun. The SAs have pals, the Winchesters have pals, the HRAs have pals ( consecutive set even ) but the poor IHC has no friend.

    • Gregory

      So, the rest of us should do without so you profit? I forgot, it’s all about you. I am sure these guns are not going to be in pristine condition, your investment should be safe.

    • Good! People who buy guns as ~~investments~~ are soulless, heathenistic, unamericanly sos-and-so. It’s like buying a Rembrandt and hanging it in a closet behind a rack of shirts, or storing a GT500KR in a plywood box in a cow pasture.

      • iksnilol

        I’d argue they’re more American than you, you commie sentimental bastard.

        • roguetechie

          Guns should be cheap, just like beef and wheat… It’s the american way!

          Damn foreigner

          • iksnilol

            SUPPLY AND DEMAND, CAPITALISM SHAN’T BE STOPPED! Despite your feelings.

          • roguetechie

            But my feelings are more important… That’s what my common core teacher told me

          • iksnilol

            Such heresy must not be tolerated.

          • Tinkerer

            And here I am, all out of popcorn.

          • iksnilol

            NO POPCORN?


          • roguetechie

            Indeed, I’ve always been a bit of a heretic… I don’t see why now would be any different.

        • Do you mean to suggest to me– you lowdown, lily-avatared, Frenchy-soundin’ collection of syllables– that you think it’s somehow more American to have a gun you ain’t shootin’ at somethin’ mornin’, noon, an’ night?

          Why I oughta…

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, I’m suggesting exactly that.

            You are saying it’s unamerican to invest money? THAT’S COMMIE TALK!

    • john huscio

      Guns shouldn’t hold any investment value.

    • SPQR9

      No, the value will not drop.

    • Ark

      Don’t bet on it.

      There are two truly infinite resources in the universe: Human stupidity, and demand for CMP Garands.

  • Audie Bakerson

    Are these all 30.06 guns or are there some 308 ones in there?

    • Anonymoose

      Most likely .30-06. The Phillipines aren’t part of NATO, so there would be no reason for them to rebarrel them. Only the US Navy and European NATO countries messed with 7.62×51 Garands. Japan still has .30-06 Garands for ceremonial use.

      • Jason Culligan

        Its more to do with the fact that the Philippines allegedly never took them out of storage. They were factory new, shipped over in the immediate post-war period and never used.

        • Paul White

          I need to get myself eligible for these then

        • McThag

          Renewing my membership in The Garand Collectors Association doesn’t seem near as frivolous now.

    • Badwolf

      30.06 for sure

    • roguetechie

      If you wish to know where to get yourself a 308 kit just ask…

      I happen to know of a place that has them.

  • MzUnGu

    Why these guns are own by the US Gov and not Philipine?

    • They were lent to the Philippine gov’t by the US.

  • thedonn007

    I think i will need to buy one.

  • Mr. Privilege

    Good. Now get the ones sitting in Greece and South Korea along with the M1 Carbines as well. Obunghole put the brakes on those “military grade weapons that could end up on the streets” – because every inner city gang member dreams of owning a Garand.

    • Sean Heihn

      And belongs to a CMP affiliated shooting organization.

      • john huscio

        CMP ain’t getting the South Korean Garands/Carbines, Century international is (which is actually better cause then I can go on kygunco, Manventureoutpost, or Aimsurplus, click a button and get one.

        • Mr. Privilege

          That’s good to know. I was researching local CMP affiliated gun clubs to join today. The closest option is like 20 miles away and $500/year in dues.

          • Kirk Newsted

            Your search-fu is weak.

          • Matt Robinson

            Join the Garand Collectors Association. You can do it online and membership is $25. They send your paper work to the CMP for you and you get a well put together informative magazine once a quarter.

          • pun&gun

            Dude. That’s handy, thanks.

          • bob

            In fairness, I ordered a rifle from CMP after joining GCA and was told I didn’t belong to an affiliate club, I called CMP and the lady said they don’t always forward that information, so mail in a copy of your current membership card or you may have a delay in your shipment.

          • Marcus D.

            Mine is about 70 miles away and up a mountain. Southern California is full of clubs, but not up here. I have a hard enough getting to the range, and adding a five hour round trip drive just isn’t going to happen. Which is of course a real bummer, since it would be utterly awesome to own a brand new original manufacture rifle.

          • Deano41

            California Rifle and Pistol Association is a qualified club for the CMP. If you are a gun owner in California, you should belong to it.

        • Longhaired Redneck

          Yeah, but how can you get rid of the ‘Mark of the Beast’ importer engraving? I would sooner become a collector of Hi Point carbines than own anything that has passed through the hands of Century Arms!

          • Art out West

            I had to laugh at the thought of a Hi Point carbine collector. I own one, and like it well enough. I’m actually planning to go out plinking with it this afternoon. Still, it isn’t something I’ll ever become a collector of. Also, I hate the import marks on my CZ82s, SKS and Mosins.
            I would love to pick up a Garand and an M1 carbine.

          • Red79cj5

            In a dot matrix font no less!

            No worries on the Garands, they are not import marked from CMP

          • Art Remembers pre-68

            Relax! Without the markings, the items would still be in some foreign country. They’re small, and why anyone would be so upset about them is beyond me. We are blessed to live in a country that even allows surplus in, in the first place. Please stop whining about small unnoticeable “scratches”…

          • Longhaired Redneck

            My original posting wasn’t clear. I don’t object to importer markings per se’, just anything having to do with those apes at Century Arms.

      • Johnnyreb

        Or by being a Veteran.

    • Klutoch Day Stroyer

      We already got the Greek rifles. The best of the bunch came in around 2010 and came from the Greek Air Force. Beautiful rifles….and bayonets.

      • Mr. Privilege

        I thought there were still some over there for some reason. Does this mean the bulk of what is left out there on Lend/Lease is in S. Korea and the Philippines?

        • Klutoch Day Stroyer

          I don’t really have a clue as to the bulk of what is out there. The Korean Garands issue is an import issue and has nothing to do with the CMP. The South Koreans want to sell the rifles. Some of them are owned by the US, others were purchased by the Koreans. No one seems to know which are which.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      Funny thing, Last year Obama signed to allow 10,000 surplus 1911s to go to CMP and John McCain of all people cancelled it.

      • Mr. Privilege

        John McCuck is just as bad as Bardock Hussein Obongo.

      • NunyaBiz

        Ouch, facts.

      • nicholsda

        No such thing happened. As much as I would love to blame it on both of them. The SECARMY had to approve the transfer and the CMP had to get some paperwork done as they would have to handle the 1911s as an FFL. The SECARMY position was held most of the time by an acting SECARMY. As of Jan 20 we have a new acting one. Once we see a permanent one, then it may happen. But McStain was not to blame.

        • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

          Well I stand corrected

  • Jeez Louise

    WTF! No way! Let’s keep them here! We want those guns ourselves. I’d buy one or ten.

  • Dan Lyons

    I’ve known about these M-1 Garand’s since the early 80’s. They’ve been warehouse stored, still wrapped in their cosmoline paper and in the original wood crates since the 1940’s. True WWII surplus. The only issue has been the Philippine government allowing the to leave. BTW, they’ve always remained the property of the U.S. Government, but movement was restricted by the Philippines.

    • Ben Loong

      Huh, I didn’t even know that there were unused Garands left in stock, what with how long the government issued them.

      • Jeez Louise

        My thoughts exactly. We used the Garands for military training back in the day when all men in college are required to have ROTC/military training. Plus, they issued the Garands, Carbines, and M-14s to our irregulars and paramilitary troops (CAFGU). I’ve seen some pretty good condition M-14s and Garands from them. Mouth-watery.

    • El Duderino

      Well that’s something entirely different. Everything I’ve heard anecdotally about Philippine M1s is that they were rode hard and put away wet for many, many years of service.

      • Nunya Bidniz

        Copy that. The Phips were reported as still using them in the ’80s in their ongoing war in Mindinao with the Islamic terrorists there. I was thinking at hearing this news that the CMP was going to get a lot more parts guns & rack grades than they would field or service out of this lot. Time will tell…

  • Bill

    Cool, but in the Big Picture isn’t the Philippines being run by an anti-US murderous dictator who might just personally padlock the warehouse doors?

    I wouldn’t count my Garands until the ship passes into international waters.

    • Ben Loong

      I know I shouldn’t be technically discussing politics…

      The man’s pro-gun and this administration’s significantly cut down on the bureaucracy that used to make things hell for legal gun owners. As opposed to the last pro-American administration who’s idea of gun law reform was making everyone have to travel to the capital to renew their licenses.

      Also, despite what the mainstream media says, the man was elected by the largest block of votes in country’s history during an election with a record turn-out (81%). I wasn’t one of them but like hell I’m not gonna respect everyone else’s voting rights. Last I checked that’s how democracy works.

      • John

        Sure. But like all politicians, it wouldn’t be uncommon or unheard of for Durante (Dutante? Spelling?) to realize they have an emergency stash of 80,000 rifles that can either arm their own troops or possibly support anti-Chinese/”anti-piracy” efforts throughout the Phillipines, and REVERSE THEIR DECISIONS AND PLEDGES.

        And there are a lot of people who would be happy to buy those Garands, not just gun-loving America from a very long distance away.

        Count no eggs until they’ve been stacked in the crates.

        • Ben Loong


          I concede leaders have the leeway to change their mind and do things previously unexpected. Heaven knows we’ve had a lot of that these past couple years.

          But I find that a bit unlikely for a couple reasons:

          1 There’s the fact that this transfer was approved during this administration instead of the last one, which was overwhelmingly pro-American. But then we don’t really have a timeline of the approval process.

          2. Every time he’s spoken to the troops he’s emphasized how they’re raising defense spending and getting them new equipment. He’s promising Glock 30s that they’ll be able to carry off-duty. Plus we already have stockpiles of M16A1s. Not to mention the buy-one-take-one offer Putin gave.

          3. Surprisingly Trump hasn’t been throwing criticism at him. He’d benefit from keeping it that way.

          • Amplified Heat

            *Supposedly* his issue was more the Obama administration, and he was more cautiously optimistic about the current one (he hasn’t been on TV impugning Trump’s mother on a weekly basis, at least)

      • Jeez Louise

        I have not seen anything to suggest that Duterte is “pro-gun” at least when it comes to civilian ownership. History as shown (both overseas and with Marcos) that dictators and wannabes are gun-grabby. My impression is that he is slowly turning into a dictator and when the time comes, will grab ours.

        See how he makes executive orders. That is a hallmark of a despot that doesn’t interact with the other two branches of government. See how he ignores due process and congressional investigations and consider cold blooded murderers like Marvin Marcos get away with police impunity. See how he threatens the judiciary to play ball “or else”.

        The last pro-american administration had a “pro-gun” president but only for himself, entitled friends, and basically anyone who is not a mere civilian. He wasn’t for civilian pro-gun ownership. Duterte has not wavered from his predecessor in that regard, even though he has overhauled his predecessor’s other policies. I think that is significant.

        Duterte is not pro-gun but pro-police and pro-efficiency, which is why he made it a little bit faster to get LTOPF and registrations. But so did getting other government stuff. When he repeals the *Gun Control* Act 10591, then I might consider him a little gun friendly. As it is, it is still a burden to buy, possess, and carry guns than it was before the law was passed.

        That is the litmus test. When we no longer need a stupid LTOPF to buy guns. When we don’t have a “cap” on gun ownership. When we can easily process stupid government requirements. Remember those days? A “pro-gun” president should not burden us needlessly.

        And BTW, he may have won big over his incompetent rivals (I did not vote for any of them), but that is still a paltry 37% of the electorate. He has no majority mandate. I am not a fawning Dutertard. He should do his f*cking job as a public servant, cause he ain’t no leader. In my books, it is the people who lead and the public servants who follow.

      • iksnilol

        I don’t see how Duterte is pro-gun. He’s just pro private military to execute opponents with. Like what’s happening now.

        • Ben Loong

          Except that’s not really what’s happening. Like at all. That’s not even an accurate assessment of what he’s being accused of.

          There’s been no violence against political opponents. Unless you count the former ruling party getting steamrolled by the administration’s supermajority in the legislature as an execution of the Liberal Party. (To which I must admit I take a measure of schadenfreude, after having lived through six years of them in power.)

          The accusations against him are about turning a blind eye to/inciting vigilante violence against criminals and suspected criminals.

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, it’s called using common sense. What’s it to stop them from throwing a baggie of drugs on a guy they dislike and then saying it was justified because he was a dealer/user?

            It’s appaling what’s going on down there.

          • Jeez Louise

            You hit the nail on the head. When the president gives a blank check on the police to eliminate drugs in the Philippines, you know they’d cash it any way they want. Drug dealers and drug users are fair game. The mere suspicion is enough to get you killed.

            Police have been planting drugs in people since forever. It’s so common, it has become a running joke. But no one’s laughing now. The police will kill you, knowing the prez has their back. You can forget due process or even justice. An incumbent mayor from a small town was summarily executed by policemen while he was in protective custody in a local jail. Our NBI found foul play, our Senate found foul play, but the prez said he will protect the police from justice.

            That is huge. Now you see the cops walk around with swagger. They have beaten civilians for having the gall to honk their horn at these entitled public servants. They have kidnapped and killed a Korean businessman to extort money from his family. And they’ve been acting as guns for hire. If you need to liquidate a business rival, a rival to your lover’s affection, or just someone you find annoying. Just accuse them of drugs, and with no due process, they will be gunned down like dogs.

            Our police force has always been deeply corrupt, but now their criminal ways are being legitimized by our evil prez. He has bought the police’s loyalty so that he will not be ousted for daring to be a dictator.

          • Sgt. Stedenko

            You’re drinking the media kool aid.
            You dont have a clue what’s happening in the Philippines, but you pretend to with your faux outrage.
            You probably fell for the fake Sochi toilet photos too
            Cant fix stupid or gullible

          • iksnilol

            So you’re trying to tell me that drug addicts aren’t getting killed en masse despite several documentaries having been made about it? For f***s sake, even your president himself admitted to killing “criminals” himself. And he bragged about how they were getting results by killing addicts/dealers.

          • Jeez Louise

            Duterte is a poor man’s Vladimir Putin. A despot desperately clinging to power by making him look like a tough guy. Putin, for instance, likes to make photo ops with his top off, while riding a horse and hunting bears with his bare hands.

            Duterte is old and not in shape, so he brags about killing drug suspects (which is probably true), leading a secret death squad (definitely), bedding multiple women (probably), and cussing meddlesome western leaders.

          • neckbone

            You watch to much CNN.

          • iksnilol

            I literally never watch CNN.

          • neckbone

            Where do you get your Duterte info from?

          • iksnilol

            Mainly Amnesty International, but there’s also Time Magazine. But I guess neither is a “credible” source for you because they’re “evil commie librulz”. And y’know, neither supports extrajudicial killings.

            They even wrote a 59 page report on it.

            Which again, will most likely be dismissed by you because Duterte is soo “cool” and get’s “results” morality be damned,

          • Jeez Louise

            The only results I see are piles of dead bodies. Of dead people who were never adjudicated to be involved in drugs, but merely suspected as such and summarily executed. The police have kissed due process goodbye.

            It is scary when all it takes is someone anonymously tipping the cops that you’re a druggie, and you’ll get s visit from them. Any furtive move (real or imagined) is construed as violently resisting the police and will be met with hot lead from their recently issued Glock 17s.

          • iksnilol

            Oooh, Reuters as well reported on it. But I guess as long as Trump and Alex Jones say it is okay, then people like Neckbone have no issue with it.

            Also, Jeez Louise, don’t forget the whole gunning down folks who were merely in the same room as an alleged drug user.

          • Jeez Louise

            You’re correct. Too much collateral damage. Not a week goes by when we hear that a druggie’s girlfriend/mate/neighbor gets the short end of vigilante justice by mere proximity to the “criminal”.

            But that goes without saying. Our police has never been known to distinguish innocents from criminals until the dust settles. For a gruesome example, search this video in youtube: X4KjUhkuzTw and read the description.

            In another case, four kidnappers and the kidnap victim were gunned down by responding police officers. They fired indiscriminately into the car where they knew that a high school girl was being kidnapped.

            In yet another case, another father-and-child were killed when they had the misfortune of driving the same kind of vehicle being used by a robbery gang, who were being “exterminated” by police forces. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong vehicle. Two dead innocent bystanders.

            The war on drugs is just more of the same. But with the presidential imprimatur, the police have been emboldened to shoot first, shoot often, shoot to kill, and ask questions later.

          • neckbone

            Ok then you read to much TIME magazine and amnesty international 😉

          • iksnilol

            Doesn’t make murdering people okay.

  • cbunix23

    The CMP isn’t a government agency, you’re thinking of the DCM which was a government agency.

    • I don’t believe I said they were. The CMP is a private company that gets arms from the gov’t.

    • tnlawguy

      The CMP is a quasi-governmental agency (“government-chartered”). If it were a private entity it would be required to secure an FFL and they could not ship the rifles to the purchasers’ door. They can and do. It was founded under Teddy Roosevelt as part of the 1903 War Department Appropriations Act.

  • UWOTM8

    Oh thank God, I was but a penniless college student when they sold out last time and thought I’d never get a shot at an affordable M1.

    No longer will I drool over mausers and M39s for an anrique rifle, I can get my own, American-made heavy metal.

    • gusto

      a mauser is still a mauser…

  • Will

    Great! The value of my M1 just plummeted like and anvil off th Golden Gate Bridge.??

    • Rocky Mountain 9

      Boo freakin’ hoo.

    • Shankbone

      Guy, look! I found an M1 owner.

    • john huscio

      Hopefully South Korea and Greece dump a million more on our market and bring garand values down to $200 or so.

      • nicholsda

        The ROK ones would be cheap as they are not even the same quality as the ones that came back from Greece. And Greece does not have all that many left after the CMP got the current ones. Many of the ROK ones would fit the CMP Rack or Field grade conditions.

    • Scott

      This is about getting 80k plus M1’s in the hands of Americans and not about YOUR M1 value.

    • mosinman

      you’re just like the machine gun collectors who whine at any hint of the repeal of the 1986 Hughes Amendment

    • Kirk Newsted

      Really? Then you’ll sell it to me for $300?

    • Jim_Macklin

      Not really. If these guns are new, never issued, still in the original shipping crates they are top notch collector items. They will start a feeding/buying frenzy. The market for all Garands should go up.
      Your gun is a shooter. These guns are display case display. Hope some are shooter grade and I can afford to buy a Garand to replace the one I had almost 60 years ago.

    • Andrew Miller

      If that value dropped.
      Then be happy you can buy a second one so the first has a friend.
      But I doubt the value goes down much, if at all.

  • Holdfast_II

    Very nice, now how about some Carbines?

    • Big Daddy

      Yep, the Garand is a bit too much gun for me now so a carbine would be perfect.

      • gusto

        so you are not Big Daddy Hoffman?

        • Big Daddy

          nope look similar though

      • nicholsda

        Man up and get one. 😉 But the M1 Carbines are more fun. You need to collect the whole set though. Inland, Std Prd, Quality Hardware, IP, IBM, SG SG, SG, Rockola, Underwood, National Postal Meter, Winchester

    • john huscio

      South Korea has 600,000+ carbines read to come back. If this importation bullshit gets straightened out, looks like century will import them.

      • Marcus D.

        It isn’t re-importation per se. These rifles were sold to South Korea, which by agreement had to get U.S. State Department prior to a sale, an approval blocked by Hillarity.

      • Art out West

        With the current situation with North Korea, South Korea may want to keep those 600,000+ carbines. They could come in handy if things turn ugly over there.

  • Pete Sheppard

    YEA! Now as soon as we can get those S. Korean rifles home, more people can enjoy their piece of history. I have one already, and want others to be able to have a bit of history.
    As to those who whine about ‘value declining’, tough.
    BTW, the majority of MG owners would welcome a change of laws making ‘new’ machine guns available.

  • valorius

    I’m hoping we get a big batch of M1 carbines back from the third world. I want one, but there’s no way i’m paying the prices they’re going for now to get one.

  • I received an email from Gina Johnson this morning requesting that I publish a revised quote which is less explicit than the previous one published at the M1 Garand Enthusiast Group on FB. I revised the article to be a little more toned down to match, although so far as I know the facts haven’t changed, really. The CMP is usually pretty tight-lipped about getting weapons in until they are actually in their hands, which is fine.

    Just didn’t want anyone to feel gaslighted by the edit, hahah.

    • TVOrZ6dw

      Gaslighted- Now there is an obscure reference. Great movie for Ingrid Bergman fans.

      • Amplified Heat

        No, I’m pretty sure it’s just a meme cooked up by Reddit weirdos middle of last year…you’re just imagining that movie reference 😉

      • iksnilol

        Uhm… gaslighting isn’t a movie reference. It’s a real term.

        • gusto

          wikipedia disagrees

          “The term owes its origin to Gas Light, a 1938 play and 1944 film. It has been used in clinical and research literature.”

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, but it’s also a real thing, and not just a movie.

          • Rick O’Shay

            Are you…. are you gaslighting him? 😉

          • Rodford Smith

            For decades, the gas the British used for heating, cooking and lighting was not natural gas – which is mostly methane – but coal gas.

            Coal gas is a mixture of methane, hydrogen, carbon monoxide and other substances. It is the carbon monoxide which makes it particularly hazardous for indoor use. While most of the other ingredients would merely suffocate you, this would actively poison you, while imparting a nice, healthy, ruddy hue to your skin.

    • Joe O

      With all due respect, your duty is to your readers not the CMP. Journalistic ethics should have told you to politely decline unless they can provide you better more accurate information.

  • Johanne Johanne

    Will the prices actually go down on these rifles, or will they still be just as expensive?

    • nicholsda

      I would guess they would fall back to about a year ago’s prices.

  • 2War Abn Vet

    Hoorah! Now, let’s re-import those from Korea.

  • roguetechie

    Any word on carbines coming back?

    I want to get another carbine since I foolishly sold mine back in the day.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      Most of the Carbines were dumped in the Pacific after Korea. After all, there weren’t going to be any more wars.

      I hope they find some in some nation somewhere, but the odds are slim.

      • roguetechie

        It’s OK man,

        I’ll actually be in a position to experiment with a 5.56 wildcat that’s basically straight out of hell soon enough anyway.

        At which point I’ll convert a bunch of AR’s and AK’s which will last just north of a century considering I’m gonna be running way lower peak PSI and running bootleg WECSOG counterpoise and a few other mods.

        Bbl life should be … Hah … really nice which should make up for them being lol expensive, and yeah I’m gonna do something about port erosion.

        I’ll be able to fling cheap .30 cal or close to it subsonics from the same barrel too while still maintaining a fragmentation threshold range out past the end of a marine rifleman qual range too.

        All in rounds that with a brass case sit right around a weight comparable to 7n6 steel case.

        Anyone who believes small arms tech even of a very conventional nature has reached maturity rather than an artificial plateau flat is not paying attention.

        • MichaelZWilliamson

          I’m not sure why you addressed that to me. I collect old guns for interest, not because I think they’re magically better than new tech. I’m on your side there.

          However, there are limits to how fast you can push a bullet in atmosphere, and we’re getting close to those.

          Which means it’s time to evolve past bullets.

          • roguetechie

            LoL I addressed it to you because I figured you’d probably think that the round I’m intending to experiment with is a pretty cool project.

            I can agree in spirit with the idea that it’s getting to be time to evolve past bullets.

            I have no idea how exactly we’re going to accomplish it hardware wise though!

            If someone gave me a pile of money and a lab to work in with instructions to come up with a man portable solution I think I’d probably go for a PEP based solution. (Plasma energy Projectile … Or is it Pulsed Energy Projectile?)

            My reasoning being that you should be able to make something that doesn’t require a whole ton of power per “shot” powerful enough to kill or grievously injure even an armored person. In theory you should be able to get a pretty decent fire rate and not be completely hosed by things like weather and dust between you and your target 0-600 meters away.

            I figure if you can’t make your non bullet firing individual weapon function in the rain, a dust storm, and or to a similar max effective range as a 5.56 rifle people may not see the utility in switching over.

  • QuantumRanger

    Uh-oh, looks like the price of 30-06 ammo is going to go up again.

  • Ark

    Aaand they’re already sold out.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      They don’t have them yet.

      • Andrea Goldstein

        They’re still sold out.

  • Swarf

    Oh, hell yes.

  • iowaclass


    Show me an aftermarket magazine extension and I’m in.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      That’s called a BM59

  • Mike Lashewitz

    OK now a bucket list item may become a reality.

  • Ron Walsh

    I may have to order another Garand. I got mine four years ago, and I just love it. Every time I take it to the range, people always ask if they can take a shot or two (I always let them). When the clip pops out, it makes me smile. Semper Fi.

  • ItalianAmerican

    Holy cow. May be getting my 2nd M1 after all.


    What a great weapon to own.

  • Amplified Heat

    Merely but a crumb for us, but still tasty nonetheless. Offsets the bitter taste of that silencer wipe business a tad, anyway.

  • AR-PRO

    The big question is, will they be affordable or crazy expensive? I thought the CMP was created to give the average Joe a fair deal on a decent rifle?

    • Andrew Miller

      Define “fair”.
      Also, the CMP is self funding, they will have to cover “shipping and handling”.
      I highly doubt you’re going to see them for under $1000 but you never know. If they’re all still wrapped in cosmolene and wrapped up, well, look at “collector” prices.

      It’s not like a new M1 has been made in a while, the ones SA “built” what, a decade ago, were merely “new” receivers with GI surplus parts after all.

      Just saying.

  • John Pate

    They’ll be in very sorry shape.

  • HenryV


  • Ryfyle

    Cosmo cocooned guns? Get ready for the GOOPINING!! I wish there was as many Garands as there are Mosins, then we might get them for under 300$

  • Joseph H.

    Do these rifles still need to be shipped to an FFL? (In Oregon) In the form, it mentions a few states that have to be sent to an FFL but not all?

  • Sledgecrowbar

    if I and a whole lot of other people would pay $1000 for a Garand, it makes sense that someone would start manufacturing brand new Garands with modern steel and manufacturing that would run with full-power .30-06 fine without destroying the op rod. I know there are companies making parts, or at least selling surplus stockpiles of parts for them, and making new stocks and barrels. The Garand is the apple pie of guns before the AR-15, while not everyone is a history buff, there are a lot more than 86,000 of us who would love to have one, new or original. Hopefully this spurs on a new market for Garand parts and eventually new-production Garands.

    • Andrew Miller

      Look at an M1A.
      Then ponder the “internal magazine” adds to the price.
      Unless your “whole bunch of people” is several thousand, you’re out of luck.

      Oh, and having to engineer the Op Rod to use 30-06 will also add to the cost.

      • Curmudgeon

        You obviously know little about the gas dynamics of port diameter and piston/cylinder clearance. It’s not the op rod itself or its steel that would need modification. A self-venting gas plug (think higher pressure poppet valve) would add no more than $5 to manufacture, which of course = $50 for the part bought separately. And that’s just one way to deal with higher port pressure beyond the very old school maxim of no powder slower than 4064 and no bullets heavier than 180 gr.

        • Andrew Miller

          And you didn’t read my reply.
          But I was replying to the guy above, so I understand.
          Guy was saying he wanted to pay $1000 for a Garand, I point out an M1A is, at minimum, more than that, so trying to make a 30-06 version with an internal magazine will be more.
          Once initial investments are paid off, “maybe” a “new Garand” can be built, but it’s not going to be $1000.

          Fulton (and others) make an add on gas plug allowing people to use full power ammo, but it uses an original Garand, guy I was replying to wanted to somehow pay $1000 for a gun which was, though “like” original, somehow engineered to not need one and use commercial ammo.

          I doubt Springfield will be interested in doing such a project, Fulton isn’t a production house, they refurbish originals, to do this on a scale would require a significant committment of “that guy and thousands of his friends”.

          • Curmudgeon

            Well, having pounded/bent more than one op rod to properly have only light contact on the barrel (when I’m done, a DRY and springless action will fully open and close with muzzle up or down only 30° from horizontal, far better than the NM standard of 45°), I’m pretty sure there is no problem with the steel of an op rod. To avoid the bent-rod problem with high port pressure, try relief ports in the cylinder (a la Valmet AK systems at least in .223), a calculated/balanced change in piston/cylinder clearance (perhaps looser at the start then tighter?) or the vented plug solution. Making the steel less “bendable” would only make the op rod uselessly brittle.

    • NewUser

      Nah, instead of new production garands, new production M3A1 greasegun pistols, in semi auto of course, would be cheaper.

  • Nate

    Do I need to set up an account with CMP before hand or is it just a matter of proving eligibility at the time of purchase?

    I’m a veteran and it sounds like I meet the eligibility requirements. I’m expecting a scenario where when these rifles become available, I’ll have limited time to react and will need to “drop what I’m doing” to make the purchase before they’re all bought up. So… want to complete any administrative requirements (i.e. setting up a CMP account) before hand.

    Is that the case or do I just have to prove eligibility when I go to purchase the rifle?

  • Ced Truz

    Well this makes having Trump as president worth anything else he may or may not do while in office.

  • jack daugherty

    OMG! What if a Tactitard gets one instead of someone with 137 guns already in their safe!?

  • robocop33

    This would be a very good thing!

  • Brandon Stinson

    If they get Rack or Field grades, I’m going to be a bit PO’d. See as I already bought special grade and killed my gun budget for the year.

  • Benjamin Goldstein

    Not sure how they are doing it, 5 -6 years ago, we were told nothing that was given to the Philippine government could be shipped back to the USA for re sale… Good luck to them, maybe they will grab all the M1 Carbines as well..

    • Norm Glitz

      That was Korea.

      • Benjamin Goldstein

        Nope, Philippines…. Theres still huge warehouses there filled with M1 Carbines, Garands, Grease guns, Thompsons, Browning 30’s and 50’s

  • Alex Jay

    Or they could join any of the military services for free

  • Norm Glitz

    All 50 states? Tell me about the events in New Jersey. Please.