Maglula Releases Photo Examples Of Counterfeit UpLULA Loaders Bought On Amazon

Our friends over at Maglula sent some photos of the counterfeit loaders that have been purchased from Amazon directly. As before, the best thing you can do to avoid falling victim to the fake loaders is to buy from a reputable retailer that purchased their entire inventory from Maglula.

Keep a watchful eye at markets and gun shows, they may also surface there.

Again, here is the note Maglula sent over:

Counterfeit warning !

Low quality Chinese counterfeit loaders cloning our popular patented UpLULA™ universal pistol mag loaders are offered for sale on Amazon and eBay. Commingling of genuine and counterfeit loaders in the same Amazon bin may result shipping of counterfeits. Please refrain from ordering loaders there until further notice. If you suspect receiving a counterfeit loader, please contact Amazon’s or eBay’s customer service and return the loader.

Please shop at local gun stores you trust and from companies we ship to direct: Brownells, MidwayUSA, Cabela’s, BassPro, Dick’s Sporting Goods, Turner’s, CheaperThanDirt, Sportsman’s Guide, ShopRuger.

Be cautious of counterfeits at weekend gun shows and markets. Some Chinese knockoffs are very similar to our own deceivingly having UpLULA and ‘Made in Israel’ embedded in them and packed in blisters similar to ours.

 

Dear Names Redacted,

 

Here’s a collection of 6 counterfeit loaders Amazon is currently or has sold.

 

Click to enlarge pictures.

 

Further below are two packaging of counterfeit loaders which Amazon receives direct from China and does FBA sticking a ‘Made In China’ label on ‘Made In Israel’ leaflet.

 

Nice going Amazon.

 



Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and Co-Director for TFBTV. He is a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially overly modified plastic handguns, precision rifles, and AR based things. You can follow Patrick on Instagram @tfbpatrick, Facebook, or contact him by email at TFBpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • G B

    I have noticed this happening more and more on Amazon. I’ve purchased several Magpul items from there that ended up being counterfeit

    • DwnRange

      Also Tango Down “T1” rubber-armored covers……

    • Pretty much unless it says “Shipped from and sold by Amazon” or Amazon Warehouse deals you need to be very cautious about ordering.

      • HSR47

        Allegedly even that’s not a sure thing anymore: Apparently Amazon doesn’t have separate bins for each supplier of each item that they offer fulfillment for, so if ANY of the “fulfilled by Amazon” suppliers are sending Amazon counterfeit goods, any order for that item that Amazon ships has a chance of being counterfeit regardless of which vendor you actually choose to buy from.

        • I find that hard to believe, because the description I read of the fulfilled by Amazon program is that you get a separate rack space.

          I also noticed that items fulfilled by Amazon have a special barcode attached that is not present on sold by Amazon products. Also sometimes fulfilled by Amazon and sold by Amazon products have different arrival times because a closer warehouse might have one or the other in stock.

          • Tom Currie

            That “special barcode” you noticed is the Amazon Stock Number label that is required on all items for the Fulfilled By Amazon program. That stock number is the ONLY way those items are stocked, tracked, picked, and shipped.

            Sellers using Fulfilled By Amazon are prohibited from having any marking on or in their package indicating the individual seller.

            And, yes, all items with the same stock number are commingled at the warehouse.

          • I’ve never once received a sold by Amazon item that has a Fulfilled by Amazon barcode on it.

            In fact I went into my Amazon seller account I see no such rule. And I’ve received items with “sold by” stickers on it in the past.

            IMO these appear to be nothing more than rumors.

          • Tom Currie

            Sold By Amazon and Fulfilled By Amazon are two totally different programs. Sold By Amazon means what it says. When an item is SOLD BY AMAZON there is only one supplier. Fulfilled by Amazon is completely different. Those items are sold by someone else and just shipped by Amazon. There may be only one seller or there may be several different sellers all selling the “same” item under the Fulfilled By Amazon program. If there happen to be more than one seller, the stock MAY be commingled, or the stock may be in different warehouses, or the stock may be commingled in different combinations in different warehouses. Any time there is more than one seller of the “same” item under Fulfilled By Amazon, no one has any way to know which seller actually provided the item you receive.

          • Do you work for Amazon?

  • nova3930

    Amazon recalled Howard Leight electronic ears bought at a certain time for being counterfeit. I had to do some investigative work to determine which of the 3 pairs I owned was the fake. Never notice if you were paying attention but the headband logo was slightly off as were the wires running from the muffs.

  • Audie Bakerson

    Can someone point out the differences in the non-circled ones?

    • Anonymoose

      It says “Magload” instead of “Uplula.”

      • Audie Bakerson

        Aside from the obvious wrong text ones.

        • CS

          Real ones Say made in israel. Fake ones say made in china.

          • QuadGMoto

            I checked MagLula’s web site to see what they have to say. They had those pictures in a much better layout. All of the pictures in this article are shown on their web site, including the first two which do say “Made in Israel.”

  • winterhorse

    If the price is way lower than what you have seen at your local gun store? you can figure it out.

  • Unfortunately, Amazon has become infested with people selling cheap Chinese counterfeits.

  • EC

    If the product is actually branded differently, such as “Magload” or “Upload”, it’s not really a counterfeit. It’s not attempting to pass itself off as another brand… the correct way to refer to it would be a clone.

    For example, if GSG made an MP5 that featured the HK logo, that would be a counterfeit. If they put their own logo on it, that would be a clone. Likewise, the same is true of an AR-15 without the Colt logo on it… it’s a clone, not a counterfeit.

    I’m pretty sure there’s a reason why this distinction happened to be conveniently overlooked in this case. There are definitely counterfeits (which are bad), but also clones (which in my opinion from the perspective of free market competition, are good).

    • Brick

      Good post, but it could also be patent infringement. You can’t just dupe a product and slap a different brand name on it and hit Amazon Marketplace.

      • EC

        The idea of patents is one that is itself controversial.
        Yes, patents of a certain term are a good idea. It allows R&D costs to be recovered and also incentivises people to innovate.

        On the other hand, patents that have too long a term are harmful. They allow for monopolies which hurt the consumer and allow for economic inefficiencies. They stifle innovation that either builds off of existing work or manages to make it cheaper.

        The UpLula patent was filed 10-11 years ago. In my opinion, that’s plenty of time for them to have recouped their costs and to have gotten all the rewards they needed for creating their product. Especially considering that the cost of manufacture and material should be low if the Chinese are selling them for so much less.

        What Chinese competition does is force Maglula to innovate instead of resting on 10 year old laurels. Either they make it cheaper (good for consumers) or they make it better (also good for consumers).

        • Brick

          I didn’t know the patent was that old. At that point yes, it’s open season. Don’t know why I thought it was a younger product.

        • To be fair, patents on this type of product are good for 20 years, the earliest it will expire is 2025.

          • EC

            I think 20 years is excessive and hurts innovation (obvious if I think 11 years is too long already).

          • 20 years for a physical product really isn’t that long IMO.

            I think copyrights, and tech patents are too long.

          • Dougscamo

            Copyrights for sure! The Happy Birthday song’s copyright ran out in the EU on Jan.1, this year! 70 years past the death of the writer!

          • K.J. Pierson

            Have to love it when it is good for one thing, but not another. Copyrights sure, who cares about logos anyways. But tech patents are just physical products done in modern form. They should be afforded the same grace. But let’s be honest here, its a mag loader, there’s dozens of variations. If they don’t clone this one, there’s plenty of other designs. In the end they all simulate a thumb putting a round into a mag.

          • The UpLula isn’t patenting the pushing the round down part of the equation. A lot of their claims center around the self-centering aspect. Which is fairly novel.

            IMO we either need to reduce the length of tech patents, raise the current bar of what is considering novel, or reach them extremely narrowly. There are a lot of tech patents that are hardly novel, are too broad, and/or are just digital implementations of physical ideas. Because in the tech world 20 years is several lifetimes.

        • codfilet

          Spoken like a true Globalist….

          • Wow!

            The easiest way to stop Chinese copying is to add a tariff to Chinese products. When chinese knock offs are same or higher priced than the original, the original is favored. People forget that “free market” refers to domestic market, not international trade.

            Realistically, intellectual rights never work as intended. In the end it depends on which country and politics you reside in and how deep your pockets are to defend your product.

          • EC

            Why add a tariff to Chinese products? All that does is to discourage competition (which is bad from a free market perspective) and to make things more expensive for the consumer.

            Let Chinese products come in. If American companies cannot innovate and compete, they probably deserve to go under. That’s what free market competition is, an evolutionary conflict which in the end creates the best product for the consumer.

          • Wow!

            A totally free market does not work in international trade since each country has it’s own macroeconomic situaton.

            Example: A produces Apples, B produces Oranges. They trade and thus mutually benefit. However, if B starts producing Apples also, then A is buying oranges with unequal exports to back their imports. The solution theoretically is for A to produce Oranges, but “A” country is not socialist where the government can order production. Instead, entrepreneurship is dependent on the individual. The individual is buying domestic Apples and foreign oranges at the same price when their country has low exports as when they have high exports. There is no capitalistic need to start growing oranges to the businessman who would be working in an occupied market already fulfilled by country B

            If totally free international trade was present, then a socialist/communistic country would be evolutionary superior since they can enslave their citizens to produce high exports but consume minimal imports and slowly drain capitalistic countries wealth. We see this with our current situation in China. No company wants to produce in America when they can make more money using cheap foreign labor and just importing foreign goods.

            The founding fathers wrote tariffs as a specific federal function for a reason. It is like open borders, if you don’t defend your country’s interests, you soon will no longer have a country.

            Of course, that brings the point that quite a few politicians are more than willing to sell out their country for personal gain. We saw glimpses of that during this election cycle where politicians supported agreements like NAFTA in return for under the table bribes from benefiting foreign countries camouflaged as donations or speech “fees”.

            TLDR: What point is cheap goods, if there are no jobs to earn money to buy them with?

          • EC

            You don’t seem to be familiar with how the Chinese economic system works. In most respects, it is largely as capitalistic as what we have here in the US. Firms are largely privately owned, with the SOE sector only accounting for less than 30% of the economy as measured by assets.

            Even ignoring the fact that China isn’t socialist anymore, if you’re arguing that a planned economy is somehow more efficient than a demand-based economy, then you’ve been asleep for the end of the Cold War.

          • Wow!

            China is as capitalistic as Russia is democratic. While people “own” their own business, the government has a great deal of controlling their economy via regulations.

            Tariffs are not a planned economy unless you consider a federal budget also planned economy. People in country are still free to buy what they want and to produce what they want at whatever prices they want. The difference is that foreign businesses cannot participate unless they comply with our taxes which ensures they cannot take advantage of us. You can’t have an influx of imports without a flow of exports to counter it. To do so would allow any communist/socialist country to be able to take advantage of us. Again, if as you said in the previous comment, the most evolutionary efficient economy was desired, then we would all be enslaved under communism in order to reduce our consumption and increase our production. However I doubt any of us would deliberately choose that means of living.

            Again, the founding fathers knew the importance of Tariffs and utilized them heavily during their time. Free economy is like freedom to travel, they are rights that only apply to citizens of our country. If we have an internationally open economy like open borders, we will soon no longer have a country.

          • EC

            You think we don’t have regulations here? Don’t be ridiculous. Just take a look at our air quality, our food safety, and pretty much everything else and just try to tell me that China controls their businesses through regulations. China is pretty much where we were in the 1980s as far as regulations are concerned.

            Tariffs by definition interfere with the free market, which again only harms consumers. It’s the last resort of the incompetent who need to give themselves an unfair advantage to compete in the international market. If we are the great country of innovators and inverters then we would have no problem making affordable, marketable products that should win out against anything any other country throws out there.

            And if we are not that great at making things, then maybe we do deserve to not be #1. That’s only fair. Just as how we supplanted the UK as the leader of the world, there’s no shame in admitting that we’re being overtaken by another power.

          • Wow!

            A tariff “by definition” does not hurt the consumer. It prevents foreign businesses from creating unequal imports and exports in our country (read first comment about apples and orange exchange). To say that we are like China in regulations makes me suspect you have not gone to China before. You thing regulations are bad in the US, mainland China is a whole different level.

            Free markets only apply to a country, not global markets. Would you sell to terrorists? Again, it is like open borders. While borders are open within a country, borders between countries are maintained because without this defense, you no longer have a country. Globalism has never worked.

            If you think UK is the leader of the world, you are sorely mistaken. They might like to think that but Europe in general is only good at causing problems in the world, and then the US has to come in and fix them.

          • EC

            Mathematically, any tariff hurts a consumer. Say for example we have Product (P) that is both domestically produced (Pd) and imported from abroad (Pi).

            Now we would only implement a tariff if Pi costs less than Pd; otherwise there wouldn’t be much reason for Pi to be imported in the first place. Lets say that Pd costs a consumer $5 and Pi costs a consumer $3.

            With free trade and without tariffs, the lowest cost for P is $3, with Pi.

            Now throw in a $3 tariff to make Pi more expensive than Pd. Pi now costs $6, while Pd remains at $5.

            With tariffs and barriers to trade, the lowest cost for P is now $5, with consumers buying Pd.

            You essentially have consumers paying more money ($2 per unit) for the same thing (P). That is by definition hurting consumers, who could have spent that money elsewhere.

            Historically, tariffs have been a touchy subject with Americans. The Tariff of Abominations from the 1820s, for example, nearly jumpstarted the Civil War decades early through the Nullification Crisis. Because tariffs generally only benefit manufacturers and producers, but as they knew way back then also hurt consumers.

            In a free economy operating under principles of absolute and comparative advantage, it just might not make sense for our country to produce P. Let the foreign country do it, because they are much more efficient at it. Instead, let us produce some other product other than P. Under the Ricardian model, everyone is better off if they produce the thing with the lowest opportunity cost.

          • Wow!

            That kind of argument is like what socialists and communists use. Sure if you only look at microeconomics an internationally free economy provides a lower “price” just like how communism provides “free” stuff. Economics is not limited to microeconomics scales, but include the macroeconomic balances.

            In your example, $3 of your countries wealth is being sent to the other country with every purchase. Without exports to balance that $3 worth of imports, your country’s wealth is decreasing with every sale. Inflation rises and while you think you have X dollars of spending power, the reality is that you now have a fraction of that because the value of your country’s currency decreased. This principle is the same reason why when universal wage increases occur, you actually lose money as when wages go up, pricing generally goes up dis-proportionally (as well as entering higher taxing brackets). Wealth depends on more than just the magnitude of your currency, but the value backing that. If you sell value without getting it back, you are on the losing end of the curve.

            Every thing you have been saying in your comments has already been covered in my previous comments. (As my apple and orange example did)
            “What point is cheap goods, if there are no jobs to earn money to buy them with?”

            The only people who opposed the Tariffs were those who were not educated in economics to understand the big picture beyond their own purse (remember the whiskey rebellion? Some of the less educated Americans didn’t realize the difference between representative and non-representative taxes) The founding fathers understood why tariffs were important and utilized it throughout their careers.

          • EC

            Well the point is that if a country is inefficient in producing product P, then it should switch over to something else. It’s that simple. Trying to continue to produce an inferior P and just keeping it alive with protectionist measures is incredibly inefficient, and as I have proven through basic mathematics, also hurts consumers.

            As to your other points, they reveal a fairly undeveloped grasp of economics.

            Now let’s say that we have two countries, A and B. B is simply better at making everything than A, due to its increased efficiency. Out of the two products in question, P and G, B just makes them better and at a cheaper price. A, on the other hand, due to whatever reasons is just not as good at making either P or G (when compared to B).

            That’s essentially the problem that you’ve outlined with your apples and oranges. It’s also what Adam Smith figured out in 1776, what he called the “absolute advantage”. B has an absolute advantage in producing both P and G over country A.

            But that’s not the end of the story.

            In 1817 David Ricardo extended that concept to “comparative advantage”. It assumes again that B is better at making products P and G versus country A. But it looks at something called “opportunity cost”, or that country B needs to allocate scarce resources to produce product P or product G. If B decides to make some P, then it cannot use those same resources to make a certain amount of G (and the reverse is true). The same naturally applies to country A as well.

            Let’s say that the following numbers apply:
            Country A: 100 hours to make 1 P and 120 hours to make 1 G
            Country B: 90 hours to make 1 P and 80 hours to make 1 G

            Again, observe that B is more efficient (takes less time) to make both P and G. A just sucks at everything.

            Now B could make P or G. If there is no trade due to tariffs, B needs 170 hours to make 1 P and 1 G, while A needs 220 hours to make 1 P and 1 G. That comes out to a total of 390 hours to make 2 P and 2 G.

            If there is trade however, then countries can specialise in what they do best. Between P and G, it is more efficient for B to make G (it takes less time per unit). And A would choose to make P, because for A it is more efficient at making P than G.

            It is important to note that A is still worse at making P than country B is… just that for A it’s more efficient to make P.

            So what happens?

            With B specialising in G, B can use 160 hours to make 2 G. And A only takes 200 hours to make 2 P. All in all, with trade you now only need 360 hours to make the same number of goods, which translates to lower prices and more goods for everyone. You’ve improved global efficiency by 30 hours.
            In the case of the US and China, all the US has to do is to try to produce something that it is more efficient at, not try to produce what China is more efficient at. Take for example, American movies and television. There’s no Chinese enterprise that can hold a candle to what we produce, and the Chinese massively consume our media. Instead of hammering our faces into a wall to try to do something that we just aren’t good at, instead we ought to make movies while the Chinese make our magazine loaders.

            Of course, this entire argument completely ignores the fact that Maglula magazine loaders are ALSO imports, just from Israel instead of China. Even if your economic arguments were accurate, it would be useless to ban imports from China but accept them from Israel.

          • Wow!

            You wrote a lot to say the same thing still focusing on the microeconomics scale rather than the macroeconomic scale. It may be more effective to produce a product in a socialist or communist country because they have central dominance over labor (in fact, I dressed that in my second comment), however, when wealth is flowing out of your country and into another with next to nothing in return, you will not be able to maintain the short term benefits that the consumer sees due to inflation. This inequality of value in currency is why exchange kiosks exist.

            Yes, I know the maglula is also an import. We don’t apply tariffs to all countries equally since the purpose of tariffs are to prevent one-sided international trade. We do not have the degree unequal imports and exports with Israel (who actually is an ally in contrast to China, although things are improving with Trump utilizing tariffs and negotiating better deals).

          • EC

            I wrote a lot to attempt to show you that even in cases where the US just is bad at making things, it still makes sense for us to make certain things… just not what the Chinese are good at. As an example, the Chinese would be making manufactured goods, while we export to them cultural goods and services. Economists have known this for centuries now, which is why the vast majority of economists support the concept of free trade.

            If you are buying a lot of things but not selling much, then you really need to reconsider what you are attempting to sell. Mathematics proves that even an inefficient country can still get exports; which assumes that people are trying to sell the right things. But of course if we keep trying to compete where we do not have the comparative advantage, we are destined to lose.

            As for the trade deficit, it is disingenuous of you to single out China while ignoring Israel. We still of course have a trade deficit with Israel… about 20% of trade volume. Israel too is making bank off of us, but it doesn’t seem to phase you.

            Again, free trade is proven to help consumers. Are there losers in free trade? Of course. That is the destructive-constructive power of the free market. But time and time again it has been shown that those who try to get in the way of free market fundamentals will always lose out in the long run.

          • Wow!

            A century ago where resources were localized in certain areas of the world, localized manufacturing ability made sense, but in the modern world anything can be produced anywhere without any significant disadvantage. (China is ironically an excellent example of this, being able to copy any product on the market no matter where it originated).

            Going back to my apple and orange example, I already explained that when a foreign country is fulfilling the market for a product, there is no drive to produce that product domestically. So what if people produce another product domestically? What stops the other country from also producing that product, and the next (as China is doing right now)? Soon you have a situation where the other country owns more of your country than you do. Plus if ever there were a situation where you get into war with that country, you lose all of those products and the learning curve to get manufacturing back on track domestically can take too long to save yourself.

            Free domestic trade has proven to help consumers. Free international trade has not except in the short run. And it is proven time and time again that when you allow another country to take advantage of you, you lose out in the long run. If free international trade never hurt us, then why are jobs being outsourced such a big issue for Americans? Why was there such a strong push against NAFTA?

            Countries are not held in equal relations to our country. This isn’t a globalist society, it is quid pro quo. Israel is helping us fight against Islamic terrorists (the whole reason Israel was established was to serve as a buffer between the free world an the muslims) which is why we aid them, not to mention they are a big researcher for our defense systems (being one who depends on them regularly). China is not aiding us in defense in any way, and actually occupy and ideology that is against us. With Trump negotiating better trade and politics, China may be our ally, but as of now, they are not.

          • EC

            Not all countries are the same. Generally if a country is good at producing one type of good, it is less good at producing another type of good within the same country.

            For apples and oranges, maybe China makes both apples and oranges better than the US… but it won’t make apples and oranges equally. If China is better at making apples, than the solid mathematics of comparative advantage suggest that it should go with apples and import oranges. As I’ve proven, this holds true even if China is more efficient at making oranges than the importers.

            The only case where free trade breaks down is if a single country is equally good at making all things; but that is both a mathematical and practical impossibility.

            As for the push against free trade, that’s because the losers are particularly sore losers. Some people will lose as industries are made to be more efficient… but that’s not just due to trade. Automation, for example, has likely taken more American jobs than imports. Ideally those individuals would find another field of employment, but sometimes they are just dead weight.

          • Wow!

            China is a direct example that this isn’t true. Like I said, in the past where resources were localized, that made sense, but in the modern day manufacturing is modular and there is zero reason a shop in the Philippines cannot make the same ammo we make in the US (which is an experiment successfully done by Western Cartridge Company)

            As to the “sore losers”, going back to my apple and orange example, I already explained that when a foreign country is fulfilling the market for a product, there is no drive to produce that product domestically. So what if people produce another product domestically? What stops the other country from also producing that product, and the next (as China is doing right now)? Soon you have a situation where the other country owns more of your country than you do. Plus if ever there were a situation where you get into war with that country, you lose all of those products and the learning curve to get manufacturing back on track domestically can take too long to save yourself.

        • Dougscamo

          If you are offended by this short-term duration, how do you feel about copyright duration….i.e….music?

    • Tom Currie

      EC makes a valid point, and so does Brick. BUT there are still two other issues here.

      1) Even when some of these are clones rather than counterfeit per se, often those clones are being marketed under the Maglula name or being marketed in ways that are intended to deceive the buyer into thinking they are buying the Maglula product at a more rational price.

      2) Amazon adds an entire new dimension to the clone/counterfeit/trademark problem with their Fulfilled By Amazon program. Under the FbA program, there is no way for the buyer to know who the seller is – and, in fact, even Amazon itself does not know whose item you received. When more than one vendor is selling the “same” item (as determined by Amazon based primarily on the name the seller gives their product) under FbA, a number of troubling procedures come into play. Each seller is required to mark the items with an Amazon stock number label, AND IS PROHIBITED FROM MARKING THE ITEM WITH ANYTHING IDENTIFYING THE VENDOR. This is specifically required because of the way that Amazon commingles the stock of items processed under FbA. All items under FbA are stocked in Amazon warehouses BY STOCK NUMBER ONLY. When a buyer goes to Amazon and buys an item that is “Fulfilled by Amazon” Amazon credits the vendor whose listing was selected for the sale, charges the buyer the price shown in that listing, takes their cut, credits the seller with his share, and subtracts the sale from his inventory count — but all that has NOTHING to do with the item that gets shipped to the buyer. At the same time that Amazon is processing the sale, their computer determines which warehouse nearest the buyer has the item in stock. The order information goes to that warehouse where a clerk or robot picks the item from the bin based on the stock number, someone drops the item in a box, slaps the computer printed shipping label on the box, and sends it to the buyer. There is absolutely no connection between what seller was credited for the sale and which seller’s item was shipped to the customer! This system works fine for everyone so long as all the items bearing that stock number really are identical, but if one (or more) of the vendors selling an item is actually selling a clone or a counterfeit, the whole system is skewed.

      Now, I just looked on Amazon and I could not find any Maglula UpLULA’s being sold through Fulfilled by Amazon (there might be some, but I didn’t find them).

      Lets say that there are three vendors on Amazon, all selling 8″ Blue Widgets and all using FbA. All the widgets from all three sellers are commingled in an Amazon warehouse, and all are marked only with the Amazon Stock Number that Amazon has assigned to anything called an 8″ Blue Widget. Let’s say that Seller 1 prices his Widgets at $25 each, Seller 2 prices his Widgets at $24.99 each, and Seller 3 prices his Widgets at $10 each. As you might suspect, Seller 3 is selling clone Widgets imported from somewhere across the big blue ocean. When you go on Amazon and search for Widget, you will see several items. You scan down the list until you find the 8″ Blue Widget that you want. You usually won’t see all three listings, instead you will see one listing for an 8″ Blue Widget and in the fine print on that listing there will be a link saying it is available from 3 sellers. If you click that link you will see those three sellers and their prices, but otherwise you only see whichever listing Amazon happened to have at the top of their rotation at the moment you searched. So you happen to be looking at the listing for Seller 2 who sells 8″ Blue Widgets for $24.99 each. You click to buy one. You are charged $24.99, Seller 2 gets paid his share (about $15), and the count of Seller 2 inventory is reduced by 1 Widget. Meanwhile the order is sent to the warehouse and either a man or machine picks one of the 8″ Blue Widgets out of the bin, boxes it, and ships it to you. You don’t know whose Widget you are receiving, and Amazon has absolutely no record of whose Widget they sent you. If you happen to get the Chinese clone Widget that was supplied by Seller 3, you may notice that it isn’t as good as you expected, and you may write a bad review but as long as you keep it, no one cares. If you decide to return it, Amazon will give you your money back and they will take back the $15 that they paid Seller 2. When your ‘defective’ Widget arrives, someone will inspect it to make sure that you actually did return a Widget. If that inspector decides that there is nothing wrong with the Widget, it goes right back into stock at the warehouse, ready to be sold to the next customer who buys an 8″ Blue Widget.

      • EC

        Yes, that’s an entirely different issue of course with actual counterfeit goods. Counterfeit goods are not really productive in terms of sparking innovation.

        As for clones, I think that may be more on the fault of the consumer if they cannot differentiate. On Amazon at least, the clones seem to be pretty clearly marketed as not Maglula. The Magload version is available for $24 and is marketed as Magload. Same with Uplood at $23.99… and it comes with a microfibre cloth for some reason. The only sketchy thing is that the Magload has “UP60B” in the listing, which is the Maglula model number. That might be slightly misleading, but since the brand is right there next to it I think a reasonably intelligent consumer would not be mislead.

        • MarkVShaney

          “Clones” infringe on patents and IP. They are just as bad as counterfeit- There is no “the consumer deserves choices, so clones are OK as long as they are not trademark infringement” argument.

          • EC

            Patents are also controversial. Yes, an inventor ought to be awarded for their cleverness, but not in perpetuity. That is what would amount to a monopoly, which generally kills markets and feeds off of consumers.

            11 years is plenty of time for inventors to be rewarded (especially considering the margins Maglula is probably making). After that Maglula ought to create a new product to stay competitive. You would find it a very strong argument that patent laws are themselves often overbearing and prevent the sorts of innovation that society needs… especially knowing that the term of patents has been extended 43% over the course of American history!

  • John Scante

    I’m confused, I can understand if you are buying from a 3rd party via Amazon, but is this article, that states “buy from Amazon directly”, saying that items “sold by and shipped from” Amazon are also coming up fake? If so, how can this be? Amazon must not be buying them from the manufacturer?

    • it’s just Boris

      A previous article mentioned something about Amazon commingling items that are supposed to be the same, but sent to them to be sold “fulfillment by Amazon” by other sellers, with Amazon’s own stock in one bin.

      If this is how that program works, then something “sold by and shipped from” would be grabbed from a commingled bin, and Amazon finds itself selling fakes even if it never bought fakes itself.

  • mmyers08

    This story made its way through a couple of FB groups to which I belong. Most people were unhappy a good product was copied, but a couple of people said they would have no problem buying them if they were cheaper and worked OK.

    And that, in a nutshell, is what’s wrong with people. If companies have no protection against IP infringement, they’re not going to stay in business.

  • Sledgecrowbar

    Putting intellectual property aside, which I’m not arguing against at all, I don’t think the Uplula stuff is overpriced. It is really great stuff, it works great, it solves a problem, it makes life easier. It’s worth the street price.

    I get that it’s not so cheap you can just buy ten of each and have them in every range bag and gun case, but once you’ve used them, you decide that they’re worth the money. The thing pays for itself in convenience the first time you use it. I’d like a metal one, but I’d probably never shell out for it. The price is right for what it does, and one that’s more expensive wouldn’t make it in the market. So I see the angle for the Chinese knockoffs, but once you have it, it stops making sense. The thing is worth the street price.

    I’m impressed how it’s plastic and still hasn’t broken in the six years I’ve owned it. I have others, I can’t give them away, and they’re flimsy compared to it.

    Amazon has always had problems with knockoffs. They throw all the samme items in a bin and it’s the luck of the draw whether you get a real one or a knockoff. Happens all the time with Magpul stuff. You have to be careful what you buy from Amazon is all, and put in for a refund if you get a fake. Amazon is excellent about refunding legitimate attempts at sellers taking advantage of you, it just sucks they haven’t gotten the message yet.

  • MiamiC70

    3rd party product so looks good to go to me.

  • B. Young

    regardless of it being a clone if it comes in packaging that looks similar to the original that’s patent infringement and those counterfeit models packaging looks similar to (or the pictures actually exactly like) the genuine packaging.

  • FOC Ewe

    Whoo hoo! Flea Market Rambo knives!

    Yeah, this is the same thing – non issue.

    • mazkact

      Ya, Jimmy Lyle knifes never saw flea markets, copies sure did. Those copies never had Lyle stamped on them or Lile or Jim Lyle or anything to make you actually think you were getting a Jimmy Lyle knife. These UpLula knockoffs are malicious in the deceit of it.

  • LGonDISQUS

    @TFB – 20% of everything I buy is bootleg. I don’t give a rat”s f÷$8!&g dirty ar!€ about this topic.

    • mark klosky

      I would be willing to bet that if something that you invented and were manufacturing and selling was suddenly being bootlegged at around 45% of the price that you were originally selling your original product for, and suddenly your sales were suffering as a result of this new cheaper supplier, that your attitude would be a little bit different.

      But let’s take this one step further. Because of the hit in sales you now have to lay off say 25% of your company’s workforce. Unemployment insurance will cover that expense, but your UI rates will take a hit for the claims that they had to pay. And also now your profit margins are a little tighter. Might that make you see the problem a little differently?

      • LGonDISQUS

        Operating a business is tough in every aspect, there is no doubt.

        Decisions will still have to be made to protect their market share. Their name means a good bit, as does their service.

        Unfortunately I would not be a customer of their’s if the bootleg product never existed. The opportunity of a cheaper product is the lynchpin for non-essential items. If it doesn’t exist at a price point I’m willing to dive for, I just don’t buy any.

  • TheBest

    Looks like Uplula needs to have their brand registered and/or gated!

  • All of that brand’s products are made in Israel and always have been. They are stamped made in China so what is so hard to understand?

    • TDog

      I’m just having a little fun. Sheesh… the Kids in the Hall link didn’t clue you in?

      What part of laughing at this is so hard for you to understand? Lighten. Up.

      • Doom

        I dont think he watched the video. And your comment didnt make much sense until I did. lol. Whats that guys problem with clowns?

        • TDog

          Dunno… clown-haters are all alike… ;-D

  • Saint Stephen the Obvious

    But do they work?

    😉

  • Cody Becker

    I ordered a pair of Howard Leight impact sports off Amazon about a month ago. A week or 2 after ordering got an email from Amazon saying they were counterfeit and i should discontinue use due to health and safety reasons. They offered a full refund and $5 off order of next pair which would make them cost as much as the last pair. I still need to conduct further testing to see if they are counterfeit i have 3 other pairs and can not tell a difference.

  • Friend of Tibet

    For this kind of product, I bet the Chinese one probably have the same quality as the original one but a lot cheaper. I don’t support counterfeit but damn the original one is a little overprice.

  • tsh77769

    The Chinese STEAL EVERYTHING!!

  • BR549

    I solve the problem by not buying ANYTHING at Amazon unless I absolutely cannot buy it elsewhere. As long as Bilderberg globalist Jeff Bezos is running the show, I’ll send my dollars elsewhere.

    • Len Jones

      I agree They don’t care as long as they make money. Bozo what a turd.

  • Wow!

    Why support amazon anyways? There are much better companies to work with like Brownells, MidwayUSA, Natchez, CTD, etc. When you order from them, you know that the money is going to the right company and you get the full backing of the brand’s warranty.

  • Chaz Spaulding

    ChiCom bastards!

  • mark klosky

    Amazon is developing quite the reputation for selling knock-offs. Quite often they will advertise a similar appearing product using the brand name and even use the brand name on the packing invoice. But the actual item received is generally an inferior poorly made knock-off. I have had to return knock-off bore snakes and really crappy wooden clamps in the last two months due to inferior crap that were not even close to what I had ordered.

  • Guy Tal

    Hi Michael,
    Unfortunately Amazon is slow to react, dragging its legs, the problem is not resolved. There are still counterfeits on Amazon, some are very hard to destinguish from our UpLULA loader. If you wish to be certain you have a genuine UpLULA, please send me few pictures.

    Thanks,

    Guy TAL
    maglula Ltd., Israel
    guy@maglula.com

  • imtoomuch

    The best thing you can do is to stop ordering from the cesspool known as scAmazon. They have such a problem with counterfeit products and sellers that claim to be in the US, but really they ship from China.