GUN GUY THOUGHTS: Do Tactitards And Neckbeards Make The Industry Go Round?

Every now and then a thought pops into your head that truly deserves some time devoted to it. This time it was me wondering if the tactitards and neckbeards really do make the industry go round. I have heard it said by multiple people that make a living in the shooting sports industry as well as seen evidence of it myself.

You can call them by the name I have given them or the far more politicly correct “underinformed buyer” if that is more to your liking. This is the group of people that are buying the guns and gun parts that are junk or the ones that are seeking the label attached to the item rather than the actual function that the item performs. We all know one of the two types of buyers, there are those that think they are paying for a name and are glad to do it and those that refuse to pay for a name. Nevermind paying for quality. It is all about the savings or the Instagram cred with this lot.

So you might be wondering, what sent me down this path of thought? The following video.

I stumbled on it while looking for more information about the Lusa pistol, and am I glad I did.

Slick Wilson is a perfect example of what I am talking about. The tactical gear and seemingly all of his gun accessories were probably purchased through a mail order catalog or at the local big box sporting goods emporium.

Don’t get me wrong, there isn’t anything wrong with guys like Slick Wilson that are OK with mediocre quality and looking cool at the range. After all, we all had to start somewhere. Some of us just never progress (like Slick Wilson).

So what does this have to do with tactitards and neckbeards making the industry go round?

The fact is that that cheap Chinese tactical vest, Chinese scope, and fingerless gloves all carry a rather high-profit margin. That allows your favorite internet retailer to offer the quality parts and accessories at a price that your local gun store and smaller internet/mail order outfits will never be able to compete with. This drives competition like nothing else and previous to this there were many gun stores (and there still are) that focus on the almighty profit margin and less on giving the customer the best deal they can while keeping the lights on and growing the business.

So thank you, Slick Wilson, for keeping prices on the quality gear that performs the way I want it too low enough for me to afford. Every one of us who sees someone like Slick Wilson at the range and looks down our nose at them is wrong and should instead take it as a possible opportunity to show them the benefits of quality parts and devote more time working on fundamentals instead of looking for the next thing to bolt to their AR.

That said, I think that the tactical tard is going to be on the decline with the shift in the gun sales market. Hopefully, us ‘enlightened’ folk don’t feel the effects of the undereducated buyer’s money going to Michelob Ultra and cartons of Basic cigarettes instead of the finest tactical gear China can produce.



Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and Co-Director for TFBTV. He is a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially overly modified plastic handguns, precision rifles, and AR based things. You can follow Patrick on Instagram @tfbpatrick, Facebook, or contact him by email at TFBpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • Ark

    For the sake of argument, why would ANY civilian spend $1,000 on a hyper-quality plate carrier so they can wear it when they go out to the woods to shoot at steel targets 25 yards away?

    Tacticool gear is toys for grown men with money to burn. We don’t live in Iraq. There’s no real reason to have any of this stuff apart from idle amusement and Instagram whoring. A $30 Chinese vest can serve that purpose just fine.

    • Swarf

      That’s fine, but please stop dressing like that and marching in to police stations to dispute a parking ticket or prancing around town with your rifle at low-ready while you bellow “Am I being detained?!” at a cop.

      Keep it in the woods, G. I. Jo-Jo, I don’t feel championed.

      • Ark

        But I need them to know I can oper8.

      • john huscio

        i keep a mayflower APC with plates in the closet for a rainy day……….a katrina/LA riots rainy day…..

      • Anomanom

        Oh, thooossse guys. I saw that video, and my first thought was that the police in Michigan are way nicer than the ones in Georgia. Around here they probably wouldn’t have gotten 3 steps inside the door of the police office before being reduced to a series of holes held together by meat.

      • n0truscotsman

        Yeah really. Im so sick of stupid dumbassery like that, its not even funny. Or groups that attract the attention of the media because “we’re assembling just in case Hillary gets into office”. (no really). Or “if this goes one inch further, Im going to start shooting people”, as in the case of a certain infamous character from Tennessee.

        Dumbassery. Wall to wall counseling time.

    • Not everyone buys it to just go plink at steel targets once or twice a month for a couple of hours.

      Some people go to rifle courses or as I call them rifle fantasy camps. Sure it is all idle amusement, but there is a huge difference in comfort that comes from quality. I don’t own any plate carriers, but in just a few minutes I was able to feel the difference between in comfort between a super cheap model, and a high end model.

      Heck you see it in other tactical stuff too. Of the prize table this weekend I got a very high end tactical jacket. Comparing it to my low end North Face, and REI jacket I saw some major differences in design and quality. I am seriously surprised, and in fact I will be looking at their pants to complete the set.

      • ORCON

        What is a tactical jacket? What specifically is tactical about it?

        • Mostly features that make it easier to use with wearing military gear like armor. Patch panels so you can have unit patches where people expect them. Pockets that are accessible when you are wearing armor. And other features.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Yeah, seems like they mostly ape the styling of the ECWCS jacket.

          • Pretty much, the designs that the Army comes up with aren’t horrible often only requiring some tweaks.

            This was the Dead Bird’s military severe weather jacket. I don’t normally do camo, I normally prefer earth tones because it stands out less, but it was nice enough that I am going to keep it. And it is made in Canada.

          • ORCON

            Thanks for the clarification. The word tactical has been so flippantly applied to products that it has virtually lost all meaning to me.

        • Lots of pockets so you always have a supply of trail mix, and ~~rip-stop nylon~~ so it would be useful if it had been a parachute instead.

      • iksnilol

        i don’t see it. Can it hold a plate better the more expensive it is?

        Because that’s what a plate carrier is meant for, not to look fashionable or be super comfy. If I’m spending big bucks, it’s going for nice leather stuff. Otherwise, it’s all nylon and canvas anyways (the tactical gear), as long as the density is good, I don’t care where it’s from.

        • No, but after 8 hours the comfort difference in design, and QC will be readily apparent.

          A good example is seen in backpacks (as I have more experience with them). I have two backpacks that I commonly use. One is made in China, the suspension system had plenty of padding, but is poorly designed. After 30 minutes of wearing it will start to hurt. The other is has a Mystery Ranch suspension system, I’ve worn that pack for hours on end with no pain.

          The Chinese made pack goes from my car to my cart, and back again. I rarely wear it. My Mystery Ranch based pack has traveled with me everywhere.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      There is no purpose that a $30 Chinese vest serves other than making you feel cool and breaking at the most embarrassing time. If you have a need for a vest, buy a good quality plate carrier.

      The whole point of the article is that you should buy once, cry once instead of throwing money at garbage gear.

      • valorius

        $30 used USGI web gear works great.

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          I can’t hate that thought process. Sure there might be a better bit of gear but the USGI web gear would hold up and do the job pretty well.

      • USMC03Vet

        Actually that buy-once-cry-once advice is the reason why the industry is hyper inflated tacticool insane. Budget is always a consideration especially when it involves novelty items used very sparsely if ever. I’m not a TFB contributor, so I’m not made out of money, but I know I don’t need a $1200 ACOG for any of the rifles because I’m at the range.

      • Anomanom

        Actual armor is another matter, but, quality of stitching aside, there’s not much that separates a 200 dollar plate carrier from a 30 dollars plate carrier. These days the two are probably made by the same workers in the same Chinese slave factory.

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          Just off the top of my head:

          The type of fabric, thread used, quality of stitching, warranty, quality of fasteners, design input from subject matter experts who understand the objective of the gear.

        • n0truscotsman

          There’s a worlds difference between the two. There is no comparison with a Tactical Tailor, Eagle, etc versus a china airsoft contemporary.

      • alex archuleta

        What about the people who can buy only the minimum because it’s only what they can afford? Buy once cry once is a solid motto, but realize that not everyone can do that.
        Hence your elitist attitude towards someone different than you. Not everyone can afford to do that as you should realize.
        The gun culture and 2A has enough ill informed enemies and we don’t need to be bickering and gossiping like 12 year old girls about what someone’s wearing, nor do we have to put someone down because you feel like they wear garbage.

      • iksnilol

        I dunno, a Chinese cheap chest rig works just fine.

        I’ve even seen 200 dollar chest rigs with frays and torn seams.

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          I am not saying that all expensive rigs are quality and I am sure there are some Chinese ones that hold up just fine. What I am saying is that quality is important.

          • iksnilol

            Oh yeah, of course.

            But some people focus waaaaaay too much on it being cheap “crap”.

      • Paul White

        I mean, if it’s just supposed to carry plates, why the hell should it cost hudnreds of dollars? I’ve never looked at body armor at all

      • Baggy270

        Says you. I bought a Chinese Molle vest to try having a little fun at a couple of three gun shoots. It works fine and I’m not out to win any contests just have a little fun. Sure the $400 vest will be better quality and last longer but for the casual shooter cheap gear has its place. I drive a 1998 GMC too not a brand new Denali. It gets me from point A to point B. We all have families and other bills to pay too.

    • USMC03Vet

      Nailed it. You should see some of the faces I make when I see range warriors decked out.

    • n0truscotsman

      Why are you whining about what other people are doing with their hard earned money? Im all for them buying that Eagle or LBT plate carrier rather than chinese knockoffs actually. Id rather not support the human ant colony that is the east asian capitalist slave plantation, personally.

      And the 2A is about a bit more than just shooting steel 25 yards away.

    • Baggy270

      I have a buddy who put an ACOG on a 10/22 and can’t use it because of his astigmatism……I’ll keep my Chinese knock off.

  • Phillip Cooper

    Sounds to me like the author is butthurt about something.

    Why would you possibly care what another person spends their money on?

    Waste of an article, TFB.

    • Mark Chavendish

      Chengdu loves you bro, hang in there.

      • Phillip Cooper

        What does the capital of China’s Sichuan province have to do with the topic of discussion?

        • ostiariusalpha

          Because that’s the manufacturing hub where 90% of their tactical-crap exports come from.

  • Jack_A_Lope

    Am I too thick to know if this article is meant to be sarcastic? Sure, Slick Wilson, like many mall cop types, thinks he’s probably cooler than he is, but the rest of your rhetoric smacks of elitism. I wanted to shoot an AR-15, so I bought a cheap AR-15. I load the magazine and put lead down range. I am not three-gunning or in competition. I want a cheap AR I can shoot any time, and I don’t need to spend $1000 doing it. And, I didn’t spend $600 on a Trijicon Red Dot – I spent $30, and at 50 or 100 yards, I get lead on target (I have never been so pretentious as to measure my group). I gotta carry that AR in a rifle case, so I bought a $24 rifle case. I use my old “ears” from my flightline days in the US Navy. I wear cargo khakis because they are cheap at WalMart. So are you going to sneer at me at the range when you see my Del-ton AR and my Field Sport red dot? I don’t care. I can’t see you through my giant grin from the fun I am having shooting my AR. I’ll clean it when I get home and it will be ready for the next range visit, two, three, or maybe four months down the road. Not sure what the point is. I envy, but secretly laugh at those of you I see on the range who spent a thousand dollars. Are you having more fun than me? I doubt it. When did this sport get defined by how much you spend on your equipment?

    • Phillip Cooper

      Well said, sir. Right there with you.
      Some of us are just actively exercising our 2A rights, not fooling ourselves we are going to have to kick down doors.

    • Mark Chavendish

      I don’t think the point is about putting import optics on affordable firearms. It think it’s about taking it to the level of wearing knockoff plate carriers, drop leg holsters, carrying 5 Chinese flipper knives at once, having your tactical Chinese glass breaker pen, three 18650 powered flashlights in your fanny pack and a 12-24 hawke scope on your 9mm carbine when you go to the range.

      • Mark Chavendish

        How could I have left out the finger-less gloves. I never show up to the range without my finger-less gloves… especially when shooting .22, my palms don’t get bruised that way.

        • pun&gun

          I really don’t see why fingerless gloves exist. Whether you’re wearing them for protection or for warmth, the fingertips are the thing you most need to cover.

          • Swarf

            Tactical fingerless gloves exist for the molded plastic knuckle plates, so you can PUNCH terrorists in the THROAT without scraping any actual, delicate knuck-skin.

            Also, there will be no actual punching of anything but air and the occasional piece of equipment one is angry at for “malfing” again. Never mind one’s fumbly fingers

          • Knuckledragger

            I’m on a special response team for my agency, and we have fingerless gloves as a mandatory piece of equipment. Nobody wears them, but we MUST have them.

          • iksnilol

            But I like my delicate fingers while protecting my knuckles and rest of hand from cold/calluses.

      • Rick O’Shay

        Not just wearing and buying all that, but wearing and buying all that and genuinely believing it is “just as good” as the higher end stuff, and also genuinely buying into the mentality that it will somehow ensure that you’ll come out the victor when SHTF/EOTWAWKI.

        • Swarf

          The only way anyone is coming out the victor in that scenario is by being a good neighbor right now.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      I feel like this is not pointed so much at people who use cheaper gear as people who spend money on unnecessary crap.

      • valorius

        Like every single civilian who has a $1300 ACOG on his range toy?

        • USMC03Vet

          But X uses it therefor by buying it I’m cool as X. Witness me!

        • KestrelBike

          Errr when is it ok/acceptable in your eyes for a civilian to own an ACOG? Only as long as they’re shooting something with a heart-beat? (Hunting animals or that very slim chance they’re actually defending their own lives from a human aggressor)

          I haven’t looked at their financials, but I feel safe in opinionating that without the “range toy” buyers, Trijicon might not even exist or had the capital to create/develop all the neat “toys” that the actual “heartbeat-stoppers” use in the military.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          Yeah, I hear you but the ACOG is factually a superior piece of equipment. What I think he means is that if certain people didnt waste their money on costumes then that money could be better spent on gear that actually improves their shooting.

        • iksnilol

          1300 and they go with an ACOG instead of a Zeiss or something?

          Some people are weird.

      • Paul White

        It is a bit rich coming from a website that had an ad up for a standoff accessory for Glocks on it. I mean I still agree with it, but the whole pull the beam outta your first thing applies

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          You do have a point.

      • alex archuleta

        What maybe unnecessary to me maybe necessary to you and vice Versa.
        Who are any of us to judge what others wear to do as long as no ones safety is threatened.

    • GaryOlson

      I completely agree.
      I use a public range (shock, horror) and the basic theme I see is affordability. People buy what they can afford that best fits their idea of an acceptable firearm. Plastic OEM cases, old work clothes, 3 boxes of ammo carefully used to get the most out of range time, and plastic pistols everywhere.

      Tacticool may get the youtube hits; but affordability goes to the range.

      • Paul White

        hell I use a small duffle back I won in a raffle as a range bag for my hand guns 😀 I’m cheap when it doesn’t matter

      • Swarf

        I use the bags I get with new tools for range bags because they work well and I think it’s funny to have an orange/black Rigid bag, a grey Porter Cable bag and, of course the Milwaukee bag for boo boo/trauma kit.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      It isn’t sarcastic in the least.

      All I am getting at is that even though shooters should practice the ‘buy once, cry once’ mindset there are many uninformed and foolish buyers out there. Those foolish or uninformed buyers are who keep this industry going as a whole. When you see those shooters who don’t know better, you shouldn’t point and laugh, you should thank them.

      Thank you for keeping the prices down on the quality gear I like Jack, I appreciate it.

      • Jared Vynn

        I would argue those buying the cheap Chinese don’t affect the prices of the quality parts. So they aren’t supporting the industry as a whole but merely individual companies that you likely don’t even buy from.

        Vism staying in business from uninformed buyers doesn’t help Magpul or Plano in selling their products.

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          Having been on the retail side with a large eCommerce company in the industry, my experience tells me otherwise.

          • Jared Vynn

            Please elaborate if you would be so kind, honestly curious.

          • Phidippus

            Patrick seems like exactly the kind of guy who would take a job at CTD.

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            Caught me. I wrote a few posts for their blog a while back as a favor.

          • Phidippus

            You probably did a little more than just guest post as a favor. Unless there’s another Lone Star Sate based “large eCommerce company in the industry” that’s slipped through the cracks.

            No shame, little buddy.

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            I haven’t always lived in Texas. But there are other large eCom shooting companies in Texas like Primary Arms, DSG Arms, Webbyshops, CDNN, etc.

          • Phidippus

            Lol. Lock down LinkedIn if you want to play the opsec game bro.

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            Kip, you really should respect people’s privacy. I don’t know why you think that me doing some work for Cheaper Than Dirt is something you can call me out about since you worked there as well.

            The cherry on the top is that you worked there DURING the Sandy Hook panic when they were charging a buck a round. I like how that is conveniently left off your LinkedIn. I guess that you never found those greener pastures after working in their call center.

          • Cymond

            His argument, from what I understand, is that a company (we’ll call them ACME) profits from selling junk. ACME makes enough profit on Vism that it pays their rent, utilities, web hosting, and other overhead costs. That means they can afford to sell Magpul products just above cost. Without Vism, ACME would need to raise prices on Magpul or go bankrupt.

          • mikewest007

            ACME? Is that an acronym for “All China Made for Export”?

          • Cymond

            That would make sense, but I was envisioning the company that supplied all of Wile E Coyote’s failed gadgets. Urban legend says it stood for A Company (that) Makes Everything.

          • mikewest007

            That too, but the joke is, cheap-ass Chinese accessories for airsoft guns are often sold under the ACM (All China Made) brand. And since the quality is pretty much Wile E. Coyote, I joked that they’re one letter off from ACME.

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            Exactly as I said. Selling the lower quality, high margin items offsets the more expensive items with a very small margin. Without the profit from the lower quality products companies would be forced to make a larger margin on the nice stuff making it more expensive.

            As for who I worked for, that is not something that I am willing to divulge. I do still like to keep several aspects of my life private.

      • alex archuleta

        Oh come on give me a break Patrick.
        If you honestly feel like some people are ill informed then Why don’t you take the time to educate them instead of singling them out?
        And for the record please tell me what’s so wrong about buying through mail order or big box sporting goods?

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          What do you think I do here? When I review something I make it my mission to try to convey any negatives the product might have. If someone asks for advice or the opportunity presents itself I gladly do my best to educate.

          • alex archuleta

            I agree with you in that when you review, you do an excellent job reviewing & you are knowledgeable, I’m not doubting that.
            The way that you came off was a bit elitist when you wrote the article in that you didn’t know the guys situation & maybe that’s all he could afford, with further assuming & then bashing because he may have bought his gear thru mail order or via big box sporting goods. Which again I don’t understand what’s so wrong with that?

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            Watch all his videos and re-evaluate your comment please.

            Mail order and big box stores traditionally have a high percentage of junk items.

      • RocketScientist

        “shooters should practice the ‘buy once, cry once’ mindset”

        Who are you tel decide what all shooters everywhere “should” do? Are you honestly telling me you can;t see ANY reason or benefit in buying cheap gear? When 99.99% of them are NEVER going to use the full capability of even that cheap chinese gear or the low-budget optics or whatever, you’re honestly saying that your opinion is the ONLY way they “should” be going about this is spending even MORE money (and, like, SUBSTANTIALLY more in many cases, like 2 or 5 or 10 times more) for even MORE capability, that they’re never going to use? If that is really what you believe, then you’re a fool. But it makes sense I guess, you know what they say about a fool and his money…

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          My experience breaking things that are built to a price point tells me that buying something that is going to exceed your expectations and continue to provide good service is much cheaper in the long run than buying something that is good enough.

          I am literally paid to give my opinion about gun related products and want to provide the best information I can. If a cheaper product performs well enough that I feel it will hold up to many years of use than I will gladly report that.

          How about an example?

          For a couple years I used Howard Leight Impact Sport ear pro and killed 6 pairs over that time period. For most shooters they are perfectly fine and will provide years of use for them. Now I needed something that held up better and I didn’t need to replace often due to bad electronics or a broken headband. My MSA muffs are still working just like they did the day I was given them as a gift, with the other muffs I would have probably had a failure by this point.

          Since the MSA muffs are a proven product that guys in the toughest conditions get years of use from before they die, I will likely not have to buy muffs for many many years.

          Buy once, cry once can save you money. In the case of the MSA muffs I will have saved about $900 over the course of 10 years as long as my replacement rate on the Howard Leight muffs remained the same.

          Cheap gear does have its place though, that is where buying for your needs comes in. I have a Bushnell TRS-25 on a range toy H&R Handi Rifle that I use infrequently that performs fine. Would I run that same optic on the rifle that I use to attend classes or use for a home defense gun? No. Because it would fail at the most inopportune time.

      • jack daugherty

        You are most welcome.

    • alex archuleta

      Man you nailed it. I’ve seen that some writers on here are more elitist than others. Well just one in particular actually.
      I hope TFB reads this

    • Baggy270

      Right on! I just shot my first IPSC match with the bare essentials but placed pretty well for a 58 year old. My cheap Lee Pro 1000 works fine and I didn’t have one squib. The poor lady with the Dhillon 1050 had two plus a double charge that blew the mag up. Some of us just want to go have a little fun and my Chinese AR has zero malfunctions so what’s wrong with Chinese other than their government? The people put out fine products for the most part. I’m no Hillary supporter but that clown you guys elected is making the US the laughing stock of the world. No Justin Trudeau isn’t any better but I didn’t vote for him. Supposed to be no politics on this site but there sure is a lot of China bashing. Gues what? Just about everything comes from there now.

  • Rebelminion

    Every hobby, pass time or endeavor benefits from participants that have more money than sense.

    • Marc

      Touche

  • Swarf

    They are the reason everything is a damned AR, so there’s that.

    • GUNxSPECTRE

      I need an AR that’s good for CQB, another for long-range shooting, hunting, Black Hawk Down Delta-AR clone, one in .300 BO, and one in .308. What else?

      Also, I want one AR that does everything above.

      • iksnilol

        Get multiple AR’s and a ton of duct tape.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Or it could be that they work really well.

      • Jared Vynn

        And it’s far easier to improve a product than to reinvent it.

  • Noishkel

    No actually it’s those people that keep autistially trying to get people to buy another Glock when about half of us don’t even want the first one.

  • DaveDerrick

    “All the gear, no idea”.

  • mmyers08

    The mall-ninja types are hilarious—especially when you see someone who’s spent more than the price of his Glock 19 to Cerakote it, outfit it with all the Taran Tactical goodies, has slide cuts, yet posts a picture of his grouping that looks like a shotgun pattern.

    I have NOTHING against Glocks. I own three. But they shoot just fine from the factory. I’m of the mindset that if you can’t shoot it well in stock trim, you can’t shoot. Period. I’ve outshot these OPERATORZ running pimped out Glocks with my stock little Kahr P9.

    But if everyone was happy with stock firearms, and with common-sense practical firearms, the industry would die. I would hate to see what happens if someone actually has a DGU and the pistol he used was a John Wick model G19 with a Punisher slide plate and “Smile Wait For Flash) engraved on the muzzle crown.

    A friend of mine was recently in the market for his first AR. He was all concerned with what sort of furniture it had, so he could put all sorts of crap on the fore end. He ended up with a Ruger AR-556, which has standard M4 furniture. Got him to buy an M1 sling, too—so he can learn how to shoot properly. Once we get him shooting 1” groups as 25 yards with iron sights, then we can get a red dot and a bungee sling if he wants to be Tactical Timmy….

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Hey, I want one of those barrels, dude.

      • mmyers08

        Oh, not on your carry gun, I hope. 🙂 I wonder how it would look if the engraving was “Jesus Loves You”?

        • Gary Kirk

          “Loved”.. It’s past tense now..

          • Jared Vynn

            Jesus still loves you even after you die, unless you were shot with a 45 ACP soul killer or you are a ginger.

          • A bearded being from beyond ti

            if .45 kills the soul was does 10mm do?

          • Jared Vynn

            Blow up lesser firearms and destroy the wrist of those not worthy to wield it’s mighty power.

          • A bearded being from beyond ti

            I’ve heard that .357 sig gives you nerve damage…

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    The only thing that bothers me about these yahoos is the fact that the 350 lb knucklehead in full camo who just absolutely CANNOT go to Chipotle without the AK is the guy who gets tagged as the gun community poster child.

    That is embarrassing as hell.

    • Phillip Cooper

      Why does his weight matter?

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Because generally the Marine or SEAL or DELTA SCUBA SNIPER will not be grossly overweight.
        It annoys me because its characteristic of the Halloween costume-like nature of their association with firearms culture which seems to, for people like that, come mainly from movies and video games.

        • Gary Kirk

          When in the CORPS, I was north of 300.. But that was in full deployment loadout.. Was only around 160 dry..

        • valorius

          You’re familiar with Larry Vickers?

          • ostiariusalpha

            Lunchpail Larry’s actually been trimming down a bit of that paunch lately.

      • Anonymoose

        *obsessed with surviving the apocalypse*
        *can’t climb a flight of stairs without passing out*

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          “*obsessed with surviving the apocalypse*”

          They could just hide and live off their fat stores like a bear.

          I should eat more, I don’t think I would last for more than a month or two in my current condition.

          • Cal S.

            Regarding weight and survival, check out “How to Survive the Hunger Games” from the ‘Film Theorists’ YT channel.

            Still, there’s a healthy balance to everything.

          • Whhhaa

            You have to be kidding me. This whole website is Ar accessory this Glock accessory that, B&T over priced tacticool Cz75 derivative, etc.85%+ of the posts on this website are Bout some tacticool doodad gadget. The only arguement you are making is that these people like is video are dumb because they use China gear in the same fashion you folks use name brand. I think you both look ridiculous. Rowland special? Bcm charging handle, steiner d bal, aim point. All of those are tacticool tard items. A 9mm does not even produce enough gas to really run a comp until it is loaded to 9mm major. Yet rowland special is all we hear. At least the idiot in the video didn’t waste thousands of dollars to look like poser like the ilk around here. Someday you guys will figure out there are more pistols made than Glock and more rifles made than Ar15s

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            Mkay bro. You seem like you have some experience with guns, maybe you work at a local gun store giving “good advice” to potential customers.

            “Just rack the shotgun and they will run away, you don’t even need to fire a shot.” – Whhhaa

          • Brooke Baker

            Patrick I’ve always considered you a card carrying member of the ” Tactitards And Neckbeards” tribe.

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            Plank holder.

          • roguetechie

            You’re going to get iksnilol all hot and bothered with all this talk of plank holding…

          • iksnilol

            You rang?

            I don’t understand. Holding planks is perfectly normal.

          • roguetechie

            LoL

            It cannot be said that you don’t know how to party!

          • whamprod

            Not that there’s anything wrong with that……..

          • Raginzerker

            I’ve always thought that Nathaniel guy was a neckberd, he’ll post something controversial and then throw a hissy fit when someone disagrees with him

          • MarkVShaney

            1000 times this.

          • valorius

            In many, many cases you rack the slide on a shotgun and you WON’T have to fire a shot. Ask me how I know.

          • roguetechie

            Late nights working at a 7-11 in Mesa Arizona?

            Heh

          • valorius

            Caught 4 teens trying to break into the 1st floor of a dwelling I was living in many years ago. I went out a side door, came up behind them…boy did they take off at the speed of light when i pumped my 12 gauge Savage.

          • roguetechie

            Hopefully they took a moment to consider their mortality as well as their moral failings whilst changing into a fresh pair of underwear in the wake of this encounter…

          • Ryfyle

            I never understood that. Wouldn’t that just give away your position? An Ol’ Fudd’s tale that I couldn’t comprehend.

          • AlDeLarge

            “Wouldn’t that just give away your position?”

            I never understood that attitude; Are you trying to prevent a robbery, or are you expecting a home invasion assassination from professional door kickers?

          • Gary Kirk

            Think you meant “Roland” special there sparky..
            I have a Rowland.. And it’s NOT a 9mm, try .460.. And yes, a comp is highly recommended, but not entirely necessary.

          • Ace of Lances

            I have an old lever 30-30, an Enfield .303, and a single shot 20g Cooey, .22 Cooey….Hunt deer, pheasant, bear, coyote, hare. I see maybe 1 in 15 articles on here, mostly by the old dudes, that are geared to folks like me, a simple rural hunter. I don’t understand much about AR-15 and sure as hell never took a shot longer than 100 yards. Scopes just don’t work in the bush, and have never needed more than two, maybe three shots at the most.
            I like the ‘traditional’ gun articles, stuff to dream about, tips about shotgunning, anecdotes, etc. I hear what you’re saying.
            Around here, we have SKS folks, fixing up their guns in slick stocks and rail gadgets galore, mostly cheap junk, but it’s just for the range.
            I turn 33 today and feel like a fossil here on TFB; there just doesn’t seem to be much for us simple hunting folk, I think it’s because we’re poor, the gear on here is for serious earners; Range Roosters!
            I do really like the Cajun-named guy, Baeujouly?
            If you know a common sense hunting tools blog, let me know.

          • Mr. Privilege

            Hang in there, brother. Soon we will crush the urbanite.

          • Ace of Lances

            😉 I’ll settle for them just to respect that the reason they get to keep those funny looking black p-shooters is because of the folks they’re poking fun at; high opinion of themselves Cons been calling us trash for years, but when Hillary said it, the trash got up and voted. Fancy rifle folk would do well to remember they aren’t the true deplorables; don’t have wheels on their house, uncle-cousins, or no prospects in their own land. Sometimes poor gotta get by with cheap stuff. Maybe someday they’ll be able to buy the second hand Range Roosters’ gear after their wives all leave them for spending $1000 on tools for hunting deer worth $100.
            I don’t know, this article just reminds me that the guy with the fancy AR is usually also the type a a-hole who acts, “where you going, the rodeo?” to anyone holding an old savage lever or their great grandaddies 30-40 in the bush. We all want quality, but it’s hard going to a fancy gunship to ask for a fifty dollar tasco, when all they sell are $1000 Leopold’s made for shooting dimes at 300 yards from a bench. Heck, I’ve never even seen a bench at a range let alone used one; Here we lie on tarps or squat to shoot…Not saying it wouldn’t be great, but all us gun folk gotta keep a friendly thing going, like on shotgunner blogs, where folk are helpful, not all snobby about their ‘uppers’.

          • pun&gun

            You’d think that shotgun sites would be even more snobbish, given the massive price differences you end up with between the guns most people start with under $1k and the crazy high-end clays guns out there, along with the fact that many of its sports (like sporting clays) were originally rich men’s pastimes, only recently growing popular with the middle and lower economic classes. In my experience though, the shotgun world tends to be a lot more chill despite the vast economic differences at play.

          • Porty1119

            I hear you. I am not a hunter (do enjoy occasionally tracking animals, though) and like Fudd-type guns. I own multiple .30-30 leverguns, and only one AR, that being a field-sighted M16A1 clone. Firearms are tools for me. Fun tools, but tools nonetheless. The tactitard movement is a source of constant amusement for me.

            I’ve been subjected to the “cowboy gun” derision a time or two, by a guy who couldn’t walk a mile (let alone in full gear) and open-carries an XD in a colorful Kydex holster with zero retention. Given as I’ve never actually seen this guy get behind a weapon at a range, I’m generally inclined to believe that his skills leave a lot to be desired. I’m quite comfortable with my cowboy guns and 60s black rifle!

          • John Paschke

            Your 60s black rifle is functionally the same as the latest and greatest MSR so it looks like you’re part tactitard as well. lol

          • John Paschke

            you should lead by example and start by getting the chip off your shoulder

          • jack daugherty

            Amen. My gunsmith told me to buy a Redfield and call it a day. Here in Kentucky it IS hard to find a place to shoot over 100 yds. Too many cows and horses in between the hills.

          • MissileMech

            it’s Phil Bourjaily over at F&S and he knows his doo-doo. I’m also what some on this blog consider a “Fudd.” Hunting involves a topic rarely addressed on TFB in the context of shooting; that topic is field craft. I resent the Fudd designation and prefer a more accurate description: Predator. My range time is spent shooting at moving targets and not trying to imitate cool-guy operators. I built an AR, and while it is boringly accurate,it’s also totally useless to me in the field. It resides in the safe and I traded the Leopold scope I had on it for an auto-loading shotgun. I used to be a member of a local range, but it’s been taken over by the CQB/3-Gun crowd so I go to public ranges to shoot trap/skeet and to sight-in my rifles. It’s fine to be prepared for home defense, but most people I know could’t stalk a squirrel if their life depended on it. My freezer is chock-full with deer, duck, geese, squirrel, rabbit, and the occasional turkey. On the TFB it’s mostly fan boy’s with range toys; the only difference between Slick and them is disposable income. BTW–We Fudds are not all drinking Michelob Ultra and smoke Basics. Maker’s Mark straight up and a fine Corona Gorda make a great post hunt ritual.

          • Ace of Lances

            🙂 first gun I bought new was a Cricket for my oldest daughter five years ago; she’s still learning how to stalk squirrel, that’s a good analogy. She’s a damn good shot though, just like her great grandma, who would shoots rats at 100 yards with my Cooey .22 to keep them out of the grain. The Cricket’s got a tricky sight on it, but it’s every bit as good a gun as the old Cooey, and shoulders well for the kids.
            My dad wasn’t around much, and my fieldcraft has been trial and error, it’d sure be nice to see more of that! I do have a guilt pleasure for articles on plains hunting in Africa though! Damn that would be trip of a lifetime, literally, cause a, it’d take that long to come up with the $, b, the wife would make sure she cashed in on the insurance early as possible if I ever did…Take care, and yes! Phil that’s his name. I like chuckhawks too, but wish I had a membership; they are really good humble folk over there.

          • jcitizen

            I would have been in hog heaven if I would have had a rifle like that in my youth. Instead, I had to borrow a stamped steel piece of junk from my Dad!

          • Ace of Lances

            Yeah it’s a great gun; cheek weld on it and peep site. I gotta shoot it one hand pistol style for my eyes to see the sight properly, but at three pounds max that’s not hard!
            The chamber is tight; I find more expensive match grade ammo is too tight and the ejector snaps past it, sometimes (once in ten maybe) gotta pry it out with a blade. AE 40gr RN has been the most accurate by far. It’s amazing how fast my girl goes through a box of 40, started buying 400 packs! She spends her chores money on it though, so I can’t complain too much.
            Cheers!

          • pun&gun

            The Fudd designation is supposed to be specifically for that class of people who think that everyone else should be limited only to the things they want, e.g. “you don’t need an AR-15 to hunt deer” as if that’s the only reason anyone would ever want a firearm. I’ve got no issue with people who like traditional firearms for non-martial purposes, and have at least a passing interest in that area myself. I just personally prefer modern-engineered tools with martial designs, and I think that market segment has grown more than the traditional/hunting segments specifically because of the many political attempts to destroy it.

          • MissileMech

            Thanks! I agree that the the “tacticool” craze has done a lot of positive things for the 2A cause and that some of my Fuddish bretheren are not supportive in that arena. I participate actively in my state’s leading gun right’s group if that helps. If I could, I would own my favorite gun from my time in the Army. I loved the Ma Deuce!!! No practical reason, just lots of boom and brass.

          • jcitizen

            Well I was about to direct you to a place to buy an M2 HBMG (semi-auto) but all the sites selling them are sold out!

          • roguetechie

            I’m at the total opposite end of the spectrum from you in that I’m not at all a hunter in the slightest.

            I get my enjoyment out of the hobby through building my own guns and gear as well as actively working to design and build my own stuff.

            For me TFB is great in the amount of inspiration it provides me with, as well as helping to keep my eyes open to what’s new and interesting in the industry as well as giving me insight into who, what, how, where, and why different people are buying and using the items that they do.

            However, I apparently am a minority when it comes to being grateful that there’s more unique and different ways to enjoy shooting as a hobby, part of your lifestyle, and or doing so to exercise your 2nd amendment rights as an American as there are total people involved in the shooting world!

            I Don’t want everyone to be like me or enjoy the shooting sports like me, that would be really boring!

          • MissileMech

            I didn’t start hunting until I was in my 40’s and I just fell in love with being in the woods and the challenge of the hunt. My hat’s of to you for building your own, I just didn’t get much out of building as I do the hunt. All the best.

          • jcitizen

            Dude, my heart exactly! Don’t worry, I won’t ask for a date! LOL! =)

          • roguetechie

            That’s good because I’m a dude… And my wife hates it when strange men take me on dates.

          • jcitizen

            HA!

          • iksnilol

            I don’t see how an AR-15 is useless for hunting.

            Maybe if autoloaders are banned for hunting, otherwise it’s a fine rifle for anytihng you’d use a .223 on.

            Also, predator sounds rapey. Doesn’t help your PR.

          • MissileMech

            AR is useless to me because the laws prohibit their use. Predator/Prey is about as natural as it get’s. Thanks for not fudding with me!

          • iksnilol

            I’m just saying the predator label sounds a smidge rapey. I’d avoid it.

            I see how the AR is useless for you though. Same situation with me.

          • jamezb

            (somewhere, deep in the woods, a wolf stalks a deer while humming “Every Breath You Take” by The Police)

            I agree…sounds kinda rapey.

          • Dave In Fairfax

            I am SO stealing that. Thanks, new sig line.

          • jamezb

            (somewhere, deep in the woods, a wolf stalks a deer while humming “Every Breath You Take” by The Police)

            I agree…kinda rapey.

          • jcitizen

            I used to use an AR-180 for prairie dogs – it was a wonderful tool for that – if I had used an AR-15 that would have been fine, but a spare upper would be nice, so I could let the barrel cool down. We used to kill thousands of those pests that way. The 5.56mm is legal for deer here, but you need a 5 round magazine for that.

          • Ryfyle

            Funny thing, the last Fudd tier guy I saw at my public range was setting up for hunting with an AR-10 with a .45-70 upper

          • Bradley

            You do realize that the majority of gun owners aren’t avid hunters, right? The alloutdoor blog probably has a little more of what you’re looking for.

          • iksnilol

            You’ve never shot at further than 100 yards?

            Wow… that’s sorta weak. I mean, sure, I don’t hunt at that distance but I sure as heck do shoot at 100-300 meters.

          • Cymond

            Heck, I’ve never *been* to a range over 100 yards, but then again, I’m mountain folk.

          • iksnilol

            Go like between the mountains?

          • n0truscotsman

            You are contradicting yourself

            1.) “This whole website is Ar accessory this Glock accessory that, B&T
            over priced tacticool Cz75 derivative, etc.85%+ of the posts on this
            website are Bout some tacticool doodad gadget.”

            to

            2.) “Someday you guys will figure out there are more pistols made than Glock and more rifles made than Ar15s”

            I think its pretty obvious the articles posted here go far beyond the scope of just glocks and ARs, but mmmmkay. You’re super cereal I suppose?

            But looking at the bright side, Im exciting hearing about *your* upcoming articles and credentials.

          • roguetechie

            At least Patrick can spell ROLAND….

            and I’d guess that he even knows that ROWLAND unless directly preceded by 460 in a comment is a comment he can safely ignore…

            TL:DR…

            Better to OWN a DBAL than to BE a DBAG

          • mmyers08

            Nah, man. The majority of this website is Patrick showing us how quickly he can shoot his free Ventura ammo at steel plates with the camera focused on his face as he misses 1/3 of his shots.

            TFB has the worst, least informative “reviews” on the web. Showing some actual groupings on paper would be better. But I guess showing people how accurate the firearm is, and giving other pertinent info like trigger pull weight, etc aren’t cool.

          • KidCorporate

            Shots fired.

          • Baggy270

            Plus one

          • John Paschke

            Elmer Fudd has joined the conversation.

          • jack daugherty

            Ha ha! Tell it brother! Tactisnobs hate you!!

        • Phillip Cooper

          I’m reminded of that 450 pound guy that had a kevlar and a ITV on with a rifle in hand, proudly proclaiming he was ready for anything.

          The vest was just draped over him and barely covered his heart. Apparently they don’t make an ITV for Jabba.

    • john huscio

      guess im lucky ive never seen “obese operator” types in my area.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Oh they are out there, dude. Trust me.

      • Cal S.

        The best one I ever saw was an ‘Oath-Keeper’ that I swear measured out at 60″. He was the leader of the troop. As much as I admire the spirit, I’d highly doubt the ability of the flesh to not have a heart attack if what they were training for actually happened.

      • MeaCulpa

        A fat Texas operator never exits the King Ranch/Loan star edition pickup and uses the drive through – so he, unlike his more northern tactical brothers, remains out of sight until SHTF (at that point his heart gives up exactly the same way as it would up north)

        • KidCorporate

          LOL’ed at “Loan Star”

      • fdb

        The only “obese operator” that i saw were airsofters or Us Army “Army strongers” jajaja

      • iksnilol

        You literally cannot miss them. Seriously, if you ever get into a shootout with one, you can’t miss him.

        YUUUGE.

    • UWOTM8

      You’re talking about that pic of the two basement dwellers carrying an AR and SKS at low ready in a chipotle aren’t you? They truly were a couple of sub-human life forms and it was several years before that picture stopped being circulated.

    • Edeco

      I salute the Chipotle commandos. If left alone too long social norms grow teeth. Peoples’ expectations delenda est.

    • Mr. Privilege

      But what about the blacks and gays? Shouldn’t we be focusing our outreach more on them?

  • john huscio

    EBRs, polymer pistols and various “tactical” accoutrements are king in this industry in 2017. Defensive firearms users are in the drivers seat, Fudds? well they can sit in the trunk……..

    • RSG

      Agree about FUDDS. They had a chance to defend the 2A. And failed. The “I got mine” attitude sucks. They’ve done more to harm the 2A than the anti’s. Good riddance.

  • borekfk

    Is that what they do? Buy cheap Chinese gear? Because I thought they were the guys who got bent out of shape and insulted one’s intelligence and/or sexuality because they’re not buying the exact same gear which costs $2000 that they do. And apparently they seem to believe that a gun can’t look nice and work realiably.

  • GUNxSPECTRE

    Maybe it’s the same crowd that think it’s a good idea to play around with a 12 gauge while also shotgunning a beer.

    • Paul White

      hey, that worked for my granddaddy!

  • Hinermad

    There are a number of industries built on hope – the hope of the average operator / golfer / photographer / chef that by buying this new gizmo, they will become better than average.

    Now in the case of the tactical wannabes, I think much business is driven by the desire to look a certain way. But the same can be said of the cosmetics industry.

  • jack smith

    everyone starts somewhere. let’s check in with these guys next year.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Take a look at his video library. It covers years.

      • Dougscamo

        AND….9 subscribers! Maybe more now….

      • jack smith

        Lol, I’ll take your word for it then!

  • Jared A. Faber

    I go to the same shooting range as the guy in the video, and every time I go there’s always a cheap neckbeard there with a TP9 and a Mosin that can’t hit sh*t!

    On an unrelated note, can anyone tell me where some cheap 54r is?

    • Porty1119

      It’s all back in 2004.

      • iksnilol

        Right next to the bionicles, right?

        • Porty1119

          You bet. The 2000s were a good time to grow up.

          • iksnilol

            I guess it was a nice time. Disney Channel was good as well.

  • Juggernaut

    Sniff your own farts much?

  • Dougscamo

    The saddest part of all of this is that this guy is going to get more views now than he did in the last 3 years….9 subscribers?

  • Vitsaus

    Nothing will rile up the comments section like some one taking a shot a cheap chinese made junk.

  • Big Daddy

    Stop judging unless you are perfect. And nobody is.

    Do any of y’all have a cheap guitar or other instrument in your home? Or that truck you dress up for off-road or whatever and never get it dirty.

    It drives the industry with cash so that the stuff we really do use and with a purpose is not priced to keep the company going. I saw it destroy the music equipment industry.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Where in the article did I judge anyone?

      • Big Daddy

        The people making comments here.

  • Gary Kirk

    Mich ultra??? Think you meant Milwaukee’s best..

    • Gary Kirk

      And “DAIMMIT Billy Ray, Whar’d ya put that dang’d tanrite? We got’s us a mower git rid of..

  • valorius

    Even worse is the guy with all the top end gear that “the pros use” with the big beard, tactical glasses and who talks with his hands moving in front of his chest all the time.

    Like every “gun expert” on the web nowadays.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      Hey! That sounds like me!

      • valorius

        If the beard fits… 😉

  • valorius

    I would much rather look at chicks with juicy on their ass.

  • Ryan L

    At least we can all agree that the neckbeards and tactitards with the instaglocks and micro comps are the worst right?

  • valorius

    The dudes with their blood type on their “uniforms” are the worst of all. Dude…stop. Just stop.

    • RSG

      Why? It is unequivocally the most useful patch a civilian can wear on a range. Especially during training. All of the other morale patches are nonsense, excluding Old Glory, imo. But having blood type info readily available is as useful as having a tourniquet handy when handling firearms.

      • Cymond

        I have medical problems (now diagnosed and treated, thank God), and considered getting my blood type tattooed on my chest.

        For a long time, I had an abnormally low platelet count, which put me at increased risk of blessing out if injured.

        • RSG

          The same for me. I’ve trained all over the country and regularly go to local shooting ranges where I can only attest to a few regulars regarding their safety and proficiency. I’m 50 years old. When I was 36, I had a major heart attack and wound up with 5 stents. Because of my early and genetic heart disease, I’m on long term blood thinners. Meaning, any gun shot wound for me has a high probability of being fatal just from blood loss. having my blood type available to medical professionals while I’m unconscious is MANDATORY. With all the tactical nonsense out there, this guy thinks this is the most ridiculous? He’s obviously had very little real world experience with firearms training.

      • n0truscotsman

        Yeah i agree too. Its trendy and cool to bash ‘tactical!” concepts like that, but the lessons that led to their implementation were very logical and hard learned. Why re-learn that which has been learned by others?

        • CommonSense23

          Except I don’t know a hospital in the states that isn’t going to run its own blood test before giving someone blood other than universal donor. Every military hospital I have seen is the same. The major reason for blood types of uniforms was for field use in either direct transfusion or emergency resupply of whatever blood they could get their hands on. When they type your blood at a hospital it can take from 15 to 30 minutes. But they know the actual blood type with two minutes. They are looking for way more complicated than just actual blood type info.

          • iksnilol

            You got like 10 different blood type systems, the whole ABO +/- is only two blood typing systems.

      • valorius

        Because if you have that patch on your “range fatigues” you’re a posing moron who has seen blackhawk down one time too many.

        • RSG

          Again, see my response to cymond. For someone who seems to think he knows everything, you’re kind of a moron.

          • valorius

            I’m guessing you got a O POS sticker on your range fatigues, amiright?

    • iksnilol

      I wear my blood type on my wrist.

      That is useful info. Especially if you have some complications (blood thinners, allergies, etc).

      I am considering getting maybe some dog tags, would be easier to ID me in case I died or something. Don’t care much for the looks though.

      • valorius

        They’re not doing it for every day medical reasons, they’re doing it for “tactical” reasons on their ‘range fatigues.’

        • iksnilol

          Awh, I just wear it all the time. I don’t really have any range clothes.

          Y’all with your own range clothes are truly rockefellers.

          • Dougscamo

            Yeah, right with you there….jacket appropriate to the weather and cargo pants….cause I’ve already told you what all I carry on me the last time you made fun of my cargo pants…wallet, badge holder, cell phone, keys, pocket knife, pocket pistol, pocket lint, etc….
            Come to think of it….that is my everyday outfit! Just drive to the range and I’m ready to continue my journey to complete deafness…

          • iksnilol

            AHAHAHHAAHAH, MR ROCKEFELLER IS A NERD WHO WEARS CARGO PANTS!

            *points and laughs*

          • Dougscamo

            And we’ve already had the Rockefeller discussion….what’s Rockefeller about $19?
            Nerd? Depends on the subject….
            Edit:
            Answer the durn medical question….

          • iksnilol

            I did answer the medical question, you usually blood type the person despite it being an emergency.

            because there’s like 10 different blod typing systems, and those little cute tctical blood type patches cover only two of those (ABO and Rhesus positive/negative).

          • Dougscamo

            Yeah….saw the reply in jumping sites….Dr. Strange land again…

          • iksnilol

            [X-files music]

            I want to believe. Yeah, sorry, I just have a sorta disdain for cargo pants. Had a reaaaallly cringy mall ninja friend who loved those things (in urban camo color as well).

          • Dougscamo

            Just khaki for me….I only wear camo when I hunt…
            BUT, once again, I can’t carry all that crap in a pair of jeans without pinching a nerve….and I damn sure ain’t going to wear one of those funky vests….

          • iksnilol

            You mean those CCW vests that don’t raise *any* suspicion?

            Nah, I get the practicality of cargo pants. I just can’t warm up to them, sweat pants as well. Can’t handle it. Only suit pants or jeans, sweet, sweeeeeet jeans.

            Phone/wallet, knife and keys fit in my pocket.

          • valorius

            Wearing a medical alert bracelet or necklace is not the same as having a big ole O POS patch on your “I’m a wannabe” tactical range vest.

        • RSG

          You’d be wrong. See my post above. Boy, are you a douche.

          • valorius

            Did i hurt your feelings?

      • Dougscamo

        Tattoo?…or bracelet?
        You’re in the medical field…kinda…don’t your hospitals there type you if you need blood regardless of what you have on you?….
        Military I can understand due to time constraints but I have been told by my next door neighbor’s barber’s cousin’s sister that this is the practice in civilian medical facilities….just wondering….

        • iksnilol

          Just a small tag on watch bracelet.

          Have considered a tattoo but am a bit sceptical.

          Yeah, hospital types me. But I don’t know about other places. I like to be secured.

          • Dougscamo

            SOOOO….you don’t trust your tatooist…is that a word?

          • iksnilol

            No, I’m just sceptical of tattoos in general. I prefer to be as little distinct as possible.

  • USMC03Vet

    When is somebody at TFB going to write about the elephant in the room which is the Glock/AR aftermarket? I know like half the content on TFB is Glock/AR aftermarket, but come on, somebody needs to take one for the team and hit the industry with a reality check. The volume of clicks and beard rage it would cause would pay for itself.

  • Kjk

    Wow, you’re even coming across as a huge d head on the comments as well as the article. It’s like you guys never post tactitard product videos. *you have a ginger neckbeard too. I believe in the buy once cry once philosophy but your tone was disappointing and mean spirited.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      I can see how it might be construed that way. It is rather frustrating when people comment on an article and totally skip everything after the posted video.

      That would be the first time someone accused me of having a neckbeard. Thanks for that, bucket list checked.

      • iksnilol

        We, uh, we aren’t accusing you of it. You literally have one.

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          Fair enough. The wife still demands it stays.

          Neckbeards unite!

          • iksnilol

            You can’t keep the beard but shave the necky part?

  • John

    Hey, I find that you can get a bad rash when doing ninja gymnastics if you are not wearing tactitards.

  • alex archuleta

    When’s the article about the gun culture elitistest coming out?
    You know, the one where you rag on people because of the quality of gear that someone can afford? Maybe some of us are happy with what we can afford and instead of wasting energy putting someone down because of the country their gears made in, we can instead focus on the hobby we love?
    It’s funny to me when gun writers and instructors preach about buying the best gear you can afford and training is what makes you better not the gear you carry. Then articles like this come out. Come on TFB you guys can do better

  • 22winmag

    Tactitards and Neckbeards make Bezos/Amazon rich… but it really is too bad they stopped selling charging handles and muzzle devices.

  • Paul White

    hey, Chipotle’s been my go to eating out lunch while I’m losing weight. Get the steak bowl, hold the rice, heavy on the veggies and I’m out for 500 calories with a lot of protein (but it’s heavy on sodium).

    • Rick O’Shay

      Yeah, but that’s NOT the norm for those guys.
      Good on you though. Their food is super tasty.

  • UCSPanther

    If you want to see some examples of tactical LARPers, some of the more amateur militias are a good place to start.

    That armed ANTIFA march in Phoenix was also another good spot to see tactical LARPers in action…

    • Porty1119

      It is VERY difficult to take individuals with no prior experience. We’ve been working at it for months and have made real progress, but are still not at a level I would consider acceptable. We can do patrols, recon, ambushes, and such, but not on a level high enough to support confidence.

      Thankfully, the mall-ninja stupidity doesn’t really happen, and folks’ choices of rifles are reasonable- BCM, Del-Ton, Ruger, and Windham is what’s most common.

  • 劉丁丁

    I thought hipsters hating on these mall ninja are main stream.

  • Giolli Joker

    Counterpoint: cheap stuff being sold with high mark-up allows even higher mark-ups on better items that are perceived as high quality.
    A lot of “high quality” stuff is just very decent stuff branded by companies that can charge more thanks to some sort of pedigree.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      That isn’t even sort of accurate. While there are some companies that feel their name is worth a markup, most of the time the extra cash goes to the extra R&D, better materials, and tighter quality control.

      A great example of this is a BCM lower vs. an Anderson lower. The BCM is know to be of good quality with consistent dimensions. Anderson on the other hand has been known to have a much higher rate of being outside of acceptable dimensions.

      • Giolli Joker

        ” While there are some companies that feel their name is worth a markup,
        most of the time the extra cash goes to the extra R&D, better
        materials, and tighter quality control.”
        That is surely what their marketing tells you.
        I think I read on this very blog, for example, that Trijicon product prices sky-rocketed when they got widespread military adoption. Not to say that the products are junk, only that a lot of the mark-up does not really come from features of the product.
        Eotech as well isn’t particularly affordable…
        Sure, there’s not a single rule that applies to everything, but many times the perception of high quality allows for higher mark-ups.
        Take folding knives, there are some manufacturer charging crazy prices and claiming higher quality than competition, yet way cheaper, Taiwan made, Cold Steels show much stronger locking strength.

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          Expensive does not mean quality. There are some companies that are able to produce a quality product for a lower price and others feel their name justifies the large margin.

          Lets use clothing as an example. Filson is known for some of the toughest blue collar clothing on the market and is priced at a premium. A lot of that goes to the quality of the materials, the manufacturing process, and the lifetime warranty. Old Navy on the other hand spends less on the materials, produces products as cheaply as possible to meet a price point. The same can be seen when comparing a Sightmark red dot to an Aimpoint, the build quality isn’t comparable at all.

          Sure, there are some companies that raise their prices once a large contract is announced, but the point stands, expensive does not equal quality and there are products out there that are built to a price point instead of a quality standard.

      • mazkact

        Ya but i get to hand fit parts for my Anderson lower and I enjoy that 🙂

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          More power to you. I personally prefer to not have to fit parts and things work as intended.

          • mazkact

            I’m being a little facetious . Really the only fitting I’ve had to do on Anderson lowers was to open up the slot for bolt release lever, really just deburring.

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            I have had several of their uppers show up with take down pin holes that don’t line up right requiring the use of a drill.

  • MeaCulpa

    Dude, suit or buisness casual requires leather matched with your shoes and belt. Just because you’re into guns shouldn’t make you put basic style aside !;)

    • roguetechie

      Does no one in the tactical community own the GQ book full of tips on how not to be THATGUY?

      Most helpful tip from said book:

      Black is the new black, anyone who tries to tell you different is an idiot.

      #2:

      There’s no such thing as “polar fleece”
      .

  • Kalash

    If the car and gun industries were dependent on people like me for funding, there would be no such industries. I research a lot, compare, contrast, rent, try, and then finally, when I’m 110% sure, I make a purchase and stick with it.

    • Rnasser Rnasser

      I even try to buy only the things I have some use (practical or recreational) for… not the koolest, latest and greatest.
      Luckily “impulse buyers” make the bulk of us, or there would be no industries to beging with.

    • iksnilol

      Don’t forget buying used.

  • mazkact

    Come on guys Slick Wilson is the man. I watched a few of his videos on youtube and Rex kwondo has nothing on him…………………………..Bow to your Sensay.

  • Hem90

    Some people took this waaaaay too personally. What do the kids say these days? TRIGGERED

  • n0truscotsman

    Its easy to make fun of people for being dicked up, although the best answer is if you are a SME/trained individual, *fix them* and take them under your wing. If they decline, then thats on them. And Ive actually had very few give me the finger, with most electing to get better than they were before.

    Most are just confused and lost gun owners who have received no formal instruction, being reliant on the forums and youtube. It doesn’t help that some of them listen to less than reputable instructors as well.

  • Tinkerer

    I think a so-called “neckbeard” stole Patrick’s girlfriend.

  • pun&gun

    I’ve often maintained that the open-carry protest format would go over *much* better if they all wore coat and tie and looked like they bathed recently. Most of the media poster boys for those events look trashy.

    • Bierstadt54

      Those rights need to be defended, but yeah, completely agree.

    • Anomanom

      This is so true it’s painful.

  • Cameron Bissell

    Heck yeah we do. I bought a lot of knock off stuff when I played airsoft as a kid but dropped the habit when I had to pay my student loans. Considering magpul makes belts now, and glock makes jackets, the name brand guys keep it all moving too.

  • olivehead

    I have a bunch of handguns and a few rifles. I buy, sell, and trade more than I shoot mainly because it’s so hard to get to the range sometimes. I’m fascinated by the mechanical aspects of firearms, and get a little excited (just a little, really) when called upon to explain the workings of a semi-automatic pistol, e.g., how a round is chambered from the magazine, how the extractor and ejector work, etc. I don’t own a tactical vest or fingerless gloves, and I’m not into accessories or pimping a gun; I agree with a previous post that you need to be able to shoot the gun stock before you worry about all that other stuff, and even then it can get to be a bit much. I’m a little embarrassed by the fact that I have not served in law enforcement or the military, and that almost all of my firearms knowledge is self-taught, and when talking about firearms with someone who has served, I feel like a bit of a poseur. I don’t know what all this means in the context of this article, but reading it and many of the posted comments, I felt the need to barf up some thoughts.

    • Calavera

      “you need to be able to shoot the gun stock before you worry about all that other stuff, ”
      ====================
      Bingo. I began my journey into the world of arms at the tender age of 15, with nothing but a stock $50 target rifle (Mossberg 144LS). I successfully competed in 3-position small bore matches against competitors equipped with $1500 Anschutz rifles and all the cool gear and custom leather shooting jackets their daddy’s money could buy. Learned the value of “field expedients” (duct tape and carpet scraps), and to make the best of my rifle’s limitations. I sure miss that rifle. Wish I still had it today.

      • iksnilol

        Aaaah, sit your cute little behind and let me regale you of my start to shooting: A .22 LR Krag with a chopped down stock, no magazine and diopter sights. Oh, and a shooting jacket I could borrow that hadn’t been used for years, that just layed gathering dust.

        I sure was crappy back then.

  • Phillip Cooper

    I was being snarky. I realize all of this.

  • Phillip Cooper

    I understand what you’re saying. But it sounds like you don’t have enough in life to worry about.

    Other folks want to misplace priorities, that’s their business. It may simply be that they have different priorities than you do.

    Not your circus. Not your monkeys. Worry about it less.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      “there isn’t anything wrong with guys like Slick Wilson that are OK with mediocre quality”

      Like I said, there is nothing wrong with people who are happy with what they have but operating under the just as good as premium product X thought process is flawed. Even though it is flawed, I believe that the lesser quality, cheaper products are necessary for the industry to keep going.

      I really hate that mindset. I want to see shooters become more ingrained in the hobby, become better and appreciate that their stuff performs. Being happier with your range experience gets shooters out more than the norm.

  • RocketScientist

    Know whats worse than a clueless “tactitard” or “neckbeard”? A condescending a$$hole of a gear snob. Considering that, statistically speaking, NONE of us are going to use ANY of our gear to anywhere near its full capacity/capability, there’s certainly SOMETHING to be said for not paying 2-10 times as much on a product in the name of increased capability, when you’re not going to use any of it, ever. Not saying there’s anything wrong with buying the top of the line stuff if you can afford it, more power to ya. But don’t act like theres no reason/benefit for buying cheap chinese crap.

  • Excellent!

  • Nick

    What the gun industry really needs is another blog post about how lame tactical tards are. This is cutting edge stuff. The reader gets solid insights about how cool the author is (he’s not a tactical tard, of course; just other guys who have love for handguns and the AR15 “platform”).

    • Anon

      Go back to /arg/, it’s supposed to be a containment thread

  • TJbrena

    If you want real cheap beer, check out Natural Light. The crap is like 50 cents a can and makes mainstream light beers like Bud Light seem like champagne.

  • Mike Lashewitz

    OK I get what a tactitard is. The same as the tacticool fool.

    What is a “neck beard”?

  • .45

    Don’t forget the cosplayers and Airsofters! They don’t need $2,000 vests or anything.

    Actually, I have cosplayed and naturally I cosplayed soldiers with guns and gear. It is funny to go to a con and have some guy with lots of Airsoft gear wants to get pictures pointing fake guns at each other and it is painfully obvious he barely know which end to hold. I endevour to do better in that regard.

    Anyway, on a more serious note, a $30 plate carrier can be just fine if it fits what you want to use it for. Using it as a safety measure at public ranges is probably fine. It’ll hold your armor and if it actually gets enough wear that it breaks it likely won’t be while the local crack dealer and his buddies are shooting at you, so whatever.

  • DonDrapersAcidTrip

    Maybe the industry wouldn’t have to depend on “neckbeards” and “tactitards” if it actually acknowledged that people who might be interested in firearms exist outside the spectrum of straight white conservative males navigating the cognitive dissonance of thinking they are some don’t-tread-on revolutionaries while simultaneously being some of the most authority bootlicking holster sniffing thin-blue-line support the troops people in existence

    • Immortan Joe

      haha cuckold did your wife’s black son tell you to say this? oh and yes a group that commits 85% of violent crime in the u.s needs more guns

      • n0truscotsman

        So the crimes of some destroy the entire good will and credibility of the ones that dont?

        By that thinking, the right would be the most damned by the ‘guilt by association’ mechanism. Browse the SPLC’s ‘right wing terrorism’ page sometime.

        • Immortan Joe

          SPLC haha get that anti white cuck sh it out of my face, please move into somewhere like Compton CA and see how welcoming and vibrant blacks are

  • MNOR

    Holy hell, the amount of buthurt in this thread must be some kind of rekord!

    My hat is off for the author.

  • Buck Holeshot

    hahaah tactitards – I LOVE it

  • Jaan Q

    An old guy at my gun club calls them “Budweiser Commandos”.

  • KCsmith

    There is a real point here , and that is that “buy once, cry once” is a real thing that you must come to terms with as a gun afficiando, and the sooner, the better.

  • r h

    i can see that, you HAVE the money to spend on 500$ holo sights and whatnot.
    good for you, whats it like to be a snob? were you born one or did you work yourself up to it?
    if a 50$ holo sight makes a person happy and helps them, even 1 time to save themselves or protect themselves . it was money well spent.

    cheap china vest hold your plates too. they dont last as long but they do the job and a needle and thread arent that hard to master to keep them running.
    and lastly no matter how much platinum plated gear you own. some bustard who was ALWAYS gonna be better then you in terms of skill and training will still kill you and appreciate his haul of high dollar goods.

    the best thing is to get the best you can afford. understand its limitations and work within them..
    BTW EGO wont help you in the field any more the poser gear..

  • Robert Fory

    Can I be enlightened without the stereotyping and name calling. Usually have to wait for the comment section for bullying.

  • Mikial

    Well said. I was wondering if it was even worth saying anything about the intolerant elitists who often write these articles making fun of other shooters, but as I read the comments I was about to just close the blog and move on to another article. But when I saw yours, I realized you were saying pretty much what I was thinking.

    Articles like this making fun of other shooters rank right up there with the one a few months ago making fun of new shooters at the range. Sort of like going to the gym and making fun of the fat guy who is doing his best to get some exercise. We pat ourselves on the back for being more tolerant and open than the Liberals, but this kind of article isn’t demonstrating much of a difference.

  • jcitizen

    In my state, nobody would notice, I hear more complaints about Walmart shoppers than the typical open carry gun owner. So many people are armed here that it is just too common to give it a second thought.

  • Immortan Joe

    sure thing buddy i,m sure you get all the pus sy in the world, if by getting pus sy you mean whacking off in the corner

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      Yeah you clearly got a grip on reality