Roland Specials go Sub-Compact with New TBRCi Micro Brake

Yes, the Glock 19 has been a smashing success for the concealed carry market, but its still far from what the “Perfection” that Glock tends to advertise. While its combination of form factor, barrel length, capacity, and size is basically the largest that one can easily concealed carry, the weapon is still ripe for additional perfection. Since its release, shooters have opted to add and refine the handgun.

Starting in 2015 through Primary and Secondary, the concept of the “Roland Special” gained significant momentum. In short, it was taking a Glock 19 and adding various features to improve the shootability and function of the handgun including:

  • Trijicon RMR
  • KKM Barrel
  • KKM Barrel Comp
  • Suppressor Height Sights
  • Carry Flared Magwell
  • Surefire Weaponlight

And usually adding in various custom work including:

  • Slide serrations (front and top)
  • Grip modification (removal of finger grooves and stippling).

With the length of the comp taking the handgun to nearly identical length of the long-slide G34, the modified handgun was and is somewhat practical with holsters being readily available. Users report concealed carrying the system today.

But, what if the “full size” Roland Special is a bit too big for your tastes? Enter in Texas Black Rifle Company with their Micro Comps and their latest version for the G43. The 1/2×28 threaded versions do not require a matching barrel, allowing anyone to use any threaded barrel (versus the KKM option, which requires their barrel to interface correctly).

TCR

When combined with a TLR-6, its entirely possible to make a single-stake Roland Special. Unfortunately, it will require some custom holster smithing, but nothing a skilled kydex manipulator cannot do themselves.

The Micro Comps are available directly from Texas Black Rifle Company for $89. 



Nathan S

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • yodamiles

    Is this the new trend?

    • Edeco

      I suspect the Ronald special concept may be taking off because it can be done to a really ubiquitous platform, rather than due to performance-based merit. Like warmed up import passenger cars, new domestic muscle-flavored cars with aftermarket catalog pipes, and 300 blackout.

      *braces for counterattack*

      • Jared Vynn

        Hey you 300 blackout has its performance merits!!!

        But seriously it replicates 7.62×39 ballistics with one loading while also having decent subsonic loadings and takes a wide variety of bullet weights.

        Now I am Honor bound to use my Pitchfork now that I have drawn it, where do you want me to stick you with it?

      • Avid Fan

        Its the Fast and Furious Glock. Schnell unt wutend. Ja?

      • roguetechie

        Nope lol, you’re making perfect sense…
        The evolution of magpul into what it is now is a perfect example of your Post’s accuracy.

  • Johnsmyname

    Sweet!!! But what I really want to know is when are they going to make one for my .22 conversion??

    • Phillip Cooper

      Find someone with a lathe.

      • Johnsmyname

        You can’t have thought I was serious… 🙂

        • PK

          Well, the .22lr kicks pretty hard in such a ligh—

          I couldn’t finish it. You have me thinking about an indexed rectangular can matching the slide contours and general look, though. That could be worth a stamp.

          • roguetechie

            Oooh that really could be worth a stamp especially with the heavy 60 grain subsonics.

          • Cymond

            If you’re going to bother to make an indexed can, dedicated to a single slide … please mount a front sight on the can!

            A stationary front sight and huge sight radius would be cool. You could even locktite the can to the barrel.

          • roguetechie

            Hey, the Yugo mgv-176 wanders like a drunken colonel Sanders when you rip bursts!

        • Phillip Cooper

          Can I pretend, in hindsight, I didn’t? 🙂

  • PK

    Neat idea, not my cup of tea but interesting nonetheless!

    By the way, it should probably read “single stack” near the bottom of the article, not “single-stake”.

    • Phillip Cooper

      Nope. G19 is not single-stack.

      • Johnsmyname

        They’re actually talking about the Glock 43.

        • Phillip Cooper

          Thanks, I see the pic now. Still, not sure what they are referring to as a RS… that is clearly a 19.

          • There is a setting on some smart phones and computers that raises the contrast to help those with visual impairments. It won’t help those that are illiterate or don’t read articles before commenting though :/

      • PK

        No, the G43, the main subject of the article, is.

        • Phillip Cooper

          Which article are you reading? This is about a Roland Special, which is a G19.

          • PK

            Friend, I’m not sure what to tell you. This article is about the G43. The very top picture even shows G43 on the slide, and here’s an excerpt from the article:

            “But, what if the “full size” Roland Special is a bit too big for your
            tastes? Enter in Texas Black Rifle Company with their Micro Comps and their latest version for the G43.”

            Only one of the three photos shows anything but the G43 in question, and that one photo is comparing the length of the G43 to the G19.

          • roguetechie

            Upvote for you being substantially nicer than I would have been

          • Phillip Cooper

            And I’m here to tell you a Roland Special, by definition, is a G19.

          • The article is about a G43 Roland, not a G19 Roland.

          • Phillip Cooper

            Read the first two words in the title of the article.

            Hell, read the title.

          • I am fully aware of what a Roland Special is. This is rather ironic.

  • Mark

    Have you shot this? I’d be interested to know how it does with muzzle flash with that up-firing port.

    • RSG

      It’s no big deal as with the SW ported Shield.

  • john huscio

    Adding all this extraneous crap just makes the gun harder to conceal/carry…….night sights are the only thing a G19 needs.

    • Phillip Cooper

      If you can hide a 17, you can hide this.

      • Jared Vynn

        A stock 17 has a smaller overall profile as it doesn’t have the extraneous red dot, flashlight, or magwell. There is also more holster options​ for a stock handgun which makes concealing that much easier.

        • JoshCalle

          Yes, but the flashlight and the comp are the whole point. If you want to carry a stock gun carry a stock gun, but the Roland special is just a semi standardized blueprint for a gun with an RMR, compensator, and a flashlight that can be carried somewhat more easily.

          • Jared Vynn

            The Roland special is just a tactically tarted up handgun few can afford and fewer yet would actually ever use outside of training. Fiscal responsibility and practical training would be far more effective for most.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            so this bitter hipster backlash is because you can’t afford one

          • Jared Vynn

            I can’t afford much at the moment because of medical costs. I suggest you rethink attacking me for my fiscal situation.

            And no it isn’t personal for my reasoning, fact is that you are spending double to triple to upgrade a gun for a tiny bit of increased performance and situational capabilities. Rather than spending money on unneeded equipment (for the vast majority of users) it would be far better to get actual training and run drills than to try and buy “skill”.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            “I suggest you rethink attacking me for my fiscal situation.”

            You’re the one wasting everyones time by declaring because a thing works fine for you, your personal experiences and lack of imagination apply to every other person on the planet.

            “Rather than spending money on unneeded equipment (for the vast majority of users) it would be far better to get actual training and run drills than to try and buy “skill”.”

            One doesn’t neccessarily cancel out the other. But keep contributing your useless complaining about “kidsnowadays and their comps” that nobody needed to here.

          • DIR911911 .

            actually NOT what he said and YOU seem to be the one that’s butthurt just because everyone doesn’t fall in love with your choice

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Old gun forum fogeys repeating outdated information just to hear themselves talk is annoying. actually in every hobby, not just guns.

          • roguetechie

            Both the flashlight and red dot actually provide very telling increases in performance considering the most likely situations where defensive gun use is likely to happen, backed up by actual research and stuff!

            So what does this research say then?

            1. The biology factor: The physiological and psychological effects of adrenaline dumps have been well known for a long time now. I’ll refrain from reciting the entire litany of said effects since it’s covered elsewhere in considerable depth ad nauseum, but suffice it to say that a red dot really can provide a very real, tangible, and necessary bump in performance when your own biology on autopilot is conspiring with your assailant(s) to get you killed!

            2. Nothing good happens after midnight: statistics very clearly tell this story, and the bottom line is that an overwhelming majority of defensive gun uses happen after dark and or in your darkened house regardless of time of day. If the majority of DGU’s happen in the dark, a flashlight would seem to be a rather logical thing to bring to a gun fight… What better place to keep your flashlight than on your gun?

            As you can see here, neither a flashlight nor a red dot are anything approaching extraneous.

          • Jared Vynn

            Extraneous was meant as more of an external addition rather than irrelevant, pedantry strikes again.

            I can see a use for the flashlight but I would prefer it to be offhand so I could hold it away from my body and not present a target, but this is just a habit I picked up from my old man who was an MP. My carry guns don’t have a rail either so I don’t have a way to attach a light to them, I have a 5 D cell maglight I use off hand currently that also doubles as a great club.

            I got into my issues with a red dot in another comment, but I also tend to point shoot so irons don’t make much a difference either.

          • roguetechie

            I habitually have pockets full of too much S*** and am at best only a proficient/adequate pistol shooter.

            In my case stacking the deck with red dot and having a flashlight attached to my gun just makes sense.

            It’s not like I can ask Joe mugger to hang on while I dig my flashlight out while regaling him with tales of the giant chunks of face meat it will rip out of him when I try to embed it bezel first into his face…

          • Jared Vynn

            You should try practicing point shooting, makes picking up the red dot easier it seems. Can’t deny it’s handier having a flashlight on your handgun. The look on Joe muggers face when you pull out a bludgeon of a flashlight like a magician would be worth it, no one expects 17″ of hard black fury until it’s slapping them in the face. (Seriously it’s over a foot and a half long)

        • DonDrapersAcidTrip

          “extraneous red dot”

          christ then just keep carrying your cap and ball revolver then, nobody is stopping you

          • Jared Vynn

            In think you need to chill out mate, you are getting way out of hand trying to call me old fashioned. Fact is red dots are extraneous as they aren’t a normal or necessary part of ANY firearm design.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Better tell everyone with one on a rifle to hand them in then

          • Jared Vynn

            Why? Only one to bring rifles into this conversation was you. I think you are trying to sidetrack as you know I am correct.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            You have yet to make an actual point, you’ve just rambled on about how how you think comps and red dots are pointless because you personally can’t afford them lmao

          • Jared Vynn

            No, you are the only one rude enough to insinuate my financial standings are impacting my view.

            Notice how I had an actual honest and civil discourse with roguetechie. I simply feel that there are more drawbacks including fiscal than benefits to red dots and compensators ON HANDGUNS that are going to be CONCEALED, emphasis necessary. I find porting much better than a comp as you maintain the same overall length, but still feel that you run the risk of running or impacting your low level vision.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Okay, and smarter people than you have actually put these guns into practice beyond your forum armchair theorizing so

          • Jared Vynn

            Again you insult me and assume that I don’t have any actual experience. I have shot plenty of race guns as my old man and grandfather were both competition shooters. For the everyday CCW I feel the benefits don’t outweigh the negatives as both the fiscal cost and reduced concealability and lack of need for the minor improvements to handling just overshadow it.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            I don’t care what race guns you’ve shot. I’m talking about this specific setup which you have no experience with but feel perfectly comfortable making declarations about

        • Phillip Cooper

          Making holsters is simple… be they leather or kydex. That’s no excuse.

          also, there are holsters available already.

          • Jared Vynn

            Yes you can get customer made holsters, but that is an additional step and extra hassle. And you miss out on trying out multiple different designs and styles.

    • gunsandrockets

      Yeah, with all that excess equipment on the Glock 19, why not use a bare Glock 20 instead?

      • DonDrapersAcidTrip

        we get it, you’re a 10mm big boy.

        • gunsandrockets

          No, I’m not. But thanks for playing.

          The simple point is larding up a CCW with too many geegaws just gets silly at a certain point and obviously counter-productive.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            It’s not counter productive, because all the mods serve a purpose that demonstrably improves the gun.

            But there’s always going to be whining old traditionalists who backlash against anything new.

          • gunsandrockets

            Are you done fighting with your strawman yet? Because it’s really boring.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Oh were you ever going to try to make an actual point beyond “my personal experiences apply to every other person”

          • roguetechie

            I’ve seriously considered a j point / one of the 4 other brand names under which that red dot is sold specifically because it’s about the tiniest red dot on the market that I’ve ever seen.

            My rationale for it is like my rationale for anything having to do with ccw pistols.

            If it helps me shoot even a little bit better and or get back on target between shots even slightly faster, it’s a good investment and something I should at least look into!

            God forbid any of us ever have to use our ccw guns in anger, but if we do anything that let’s us end the fight quicker while putting out less stray rounds that could potentially kill an innocent is pretty unquestionably, a very good thing!

          • gunsandrockets

            Certainly. I’m a recent convert to laser spotlights for the same reason.

          • roguetechie

            I have a couple laser genetics laser “flashlights” myself… I figure since I can’t afford a pair of pvs-14 or etc, they’re the next best thing.

            I’m actually very seriously considering letting my grandpa the EE tear one apart and see if he can help me figure out how to build an IR laser version and just buy some gen 2+

            This actually seems like a tempting option since I can then have an excuse for over the ear helmet picatinny rail on one side to mount an IR flashlight to while I have another on my gun…

            I would SOOO be feeling that boba fett vibe with a setup like this!!

    • Payce

      I’ve been carrying a RMRd G19 for over a year, added a comp 4 months ago, not a single additional issue (aside from the basic ones inherent to carrying period). Try it before denouncing it.

      • Oregon213

        Nine, pistol is fine.

        (see what I did there)

        • Joe

          *Nein.

    • Oregon213

      And apparently the only thing they didn’t put on that G43 – sure looks like the polymer OEM Glock front sight….

      • RSG

        Because there isn’t an RMR on the 43. No need for taller sights.

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      I guess you’re out shooting the people using roland specials then

      • Jared Vynn

        Modern vehicles are so bring made with drum brakes usually in the rear. And as the drum brakes still work fine in my car I see no reason to change it, and I can’t afford to.

        • DonDrapersAcidTrip

          You welcome to keep using your vietnam style ar15s and drive you bias ply tire and drum break equipped cars, and telling everyone how revolvers are good enough for handguns and iron sights are good enough for rifles.

          • DIR911911 .

            did he pinch a nerve with your lack of information?? by the way every tractor trailer you see on the road uses nothing but drum brakes to stop the heaviest loads on the road

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Are you his alt account or something lol

          • Jared Vynn

            Vietnam style ar15 really? Ain’t nothing vintage on my AR rifles, but you are welcome to pretend I am some old FUDD if it makes you feel better. Fact is you are simply misinformed about technology and the concept of something being outdated.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Says the guy going on about the BLINDING FLASH of compensators lmao

          • Jared Vynn

            Dude you are obviously very upset over my comments. Chill out a little, don’t be breaking out the caps lock man.

            I can see spots from shooting my 22tcm commander 1911 at night and even without a compensator it throws off a comparable fireball to something like a 10mm compensated. Not to mention the added concussive effects if you are indoors. I am one to take interest in the latest and greatest, but I am also skeptical and practical. I don’t operate or shoot competition so I tend to view things in more utilitarian and everyday use.

          • roguetechie

            Both compensators and red dots very much fit in the realm of the practical even on a CCW pistol.

            Though personally I don’t see why more people aren’t converting to the cult of the j point/ delta point/ all the other rebranding the same very tiny red dot is sold under is beyond my understanding.

            Seriously, you should check it out.

            There was a company at shot this year showing a custom slide for one pistol or another that could actually cowitness the standard iron sights.

            The negligible decrease in concealability this installation represented struck me as more than worth it.

          • Jared Vynn

            I have used a Burris fast fire with a Glock 20c, I just couldn’t get used to aiming with the red dot. I would like to try one with a red dot on the front of the slide as I am used to focusing on the front sight.

            As I understand it the JPoint was the first, but this is coming from my old man who used to work with JP a lot so it could be wrong.

            My biggest complaint for red dots is finding holsters and how they seem to jab into me.

          • roguetechie

            I think JP licensed a rebranded copy first because I know the actual originator company is not American.

            There was actually a TFB post on this exact subject awhile back.

          • Jared Vynn

            I’ll have to look into it, I would want to go with the Leupold for their warranty if any though.

            Kinda wanna see someone make a prism style using a chunk of Spinel, I think they could etch the reticle using lasers like those glass bubble 3d art things.

          • Speaking of a forward-mounted red dot, an IPSC shooter by the name of Randy Helton mounted a Tasco Optima on top of a side-venting compensator. The following ad appeared in Front Sight magazine back in early 2000.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ee95107ccd20b339241f951b0e691232e4f712d31326cafb5ddd8baa3230097b.jpg

          • Joe

            Why would one choose to shoot aNY handgun in complete darkness? Unless of course they were under NODS, and using an IR pointer or an RMR. My point is if you are shooting in complete darkness for serious use, you are also sending #allthelumens at the badguy.

    • Joe

      Only thing my Springfield 1861 needs is a spare ramrod.

    • roguetechie

      You don’t get to decide that, and judging by the number of people doing these mods… You’re completely wrong.

      Are you really so arrogant that you actually believe EVERY single person building Roland’s or Roland alikes and the people who are advocates of the system are all less intelligent than you?

  • Triforce

    This is not as high speed/low drag as the comped NAA .22 mag I use for revolver division.

  • Triforce

    Is this a open class pistol for children and midgets?

    • Avid Fan

      Helps tame that tendon shredding recoil of 9mm. Not for the faint of heart, ya know. Only 10th level wizards, ninjas and the cool kids can hang.

  • gunsandrockets

    As critical as barrel length is to cartridge performance, better a longer barrel than a comp on something as small as a Glock 43. And even in terms of shootability, I think reduced muzzle blast from a longer barrel would be preferable to what a comp would provide.

    • gunsandrockets

      And now I’m wondering… will a Glock 19 slide work on a Glock 43 frame?

      • billyoblivion

        To quote Sir Charles Babbage: “I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.”

        • Brett

          To quote Colonel Harland David Sanders: “I’m to drunk to taste this chicken.”

          • billyoblivion

            ITYM “I’m too taste to drunk this chicken”

          • Brett

            He was drinking.

      • Remember that the G43 is closer to a G26 in barrel length. The G43’s slide is narrower as well.

        That might be something to check if a G26M ever comes to market. The G17M and G19M appear to use G43-derived internals (locking block, ejector housing, and firing pin safety.)

        • gunsandrockets

          The point of the thought experiment is a Glock 43 with a longer barrel and slide in contrast to adding a comp extension to a Glock 43 slide.

          • You could, but you’d need a filler to close the roughly half-inch gap between the end of the G26’s frame and the G19’s slide. Lone Wolf sells adapters for this purpose.

    • Stuki Moi

      But of course, ditto for the 19…..

      Reminds me of no-inch barreled ARs with 16 inches of tacticool muzzle brakes/flash hiders/bull balls hung off the front…

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      Shouldn’t the comp be even more of a benefit than on a 19 then

      • gunsandrockets

        I have nothing against comps, I like comps, I own a Glock 23C.

        But adding a big blocky compensator to the end of pistol designed for concealed carry is contradictory.

        • Jared Vynn

          I think a ported barrel/slide would make much more sense, still just as concealable while offering recoil reduction.

        • DonDrapersAcidTrip

          There are no rules about this, and it’s the grip that’s the part that sticks out.

          Declaring “adding something to the front end of this gun which should only be a set length because I decided so and it works fine for me as is” is ignorant.

          • Jared Vynn

            The point of making a pistol concealability is to reduce it’s overall footprint; shorter barrels/slides, more narrow profile, shorter grip, and other differences are what make a pistol more concealable to their full size/duty counterparts. Adding a compensator takes away from the shorter barrel/slide benefit for concealability as it increases the footprint to near the same as a full-sized while the red dot also increases the footprint​ negating the benefit from a shorter grip.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            It’s not that big of deal and it doesn’t break the Holy Rules of Concealability brought down from the mountain top inscribed into stone and nobody is forcing you to do it. Maybe at your gunstore you buy a subcompact gun they lecture you about how it needs to be kept to a certain size because Those Are The Rules though.

          • Jared Vynn

            Bigger guns are harder to conceal. You can’t dispute or refute this fact.

            The bigger the gun the more likely it is to print.

            I’m sorry you think I am trying to be an authority or expert, but that is just your own insecure projections. There is a reason pocket pistols are super popular as of late. Hence the Glock 42 and 43.

          • roguetechie

            Also the reason why I really regret selling my 380 Remington model 51.

          • Jared Vynn

            I am currently carrying an LC9S over my 1911 and 92fs as it conceals so much better and more comfortable AIWB. I also shoot it better than the 92fs oddly.

          • roguetechie

            What gun you’re going to shoot well with seems to be almost up to the whims of some very mischievous and mercurial gods…

            Except when it comes to original Remington model 51’s… Everyone shoots those well. It’s kind of freakish actually.

          • Jared Vynn

            Pedersen never gets the credit he deserves for his contributions to firearm technology sadly. Feels like there could be a market for pedersen devices for all the bolt actions out there.

          • roguetechie

            Eh that would likely be a tall order, though the idea of an entire firing line full of savage rifles in 308 with new age Pedersen device magazines jutting out.

          • Jared Vynn

            I bet it would be really popular in states like California.

          • roguetechie

            He’s also one of the very key people behind the drive to standardize the actual shop floor technical drawings products are made to and the fixed +- tolerances that made parts for US made equipment so damn easily interchangeable without any hand fitting requirements!

            This was a huge boon to all the allies when you consider just how much war materiel for other allied nations was made in the US and shipped to wherever and whomever had the need.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            “but that is just your own insecure projections” literally everything you’ve posted is you laying down “how things are supposed to be” by your narrow definition. no one said bigger guns aren’t hard to conceal, you however came in like modifying smaller guns is some absolute rule breaking no-no. people conceal all kinds of guns, I don’t know what point you’re actually trying to make other than you love hearing yourself talk

          • Jared Vynn

            I am only letting out my own thoughts and some basic facts unless you can prove bigger guns aren’t harder to conceal? Modifying small guns isn’t bad, but when doing so makes them into a bigger gun you lose the benefits of having a smaller gun. You are the one who keeps attacking me and strawmanning arguments I don’t have.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            “bigger guns aren’t harder to conceal”
            wow and thanks for this genius insight. I don’t think anyone was aware of this until you brought it up, very useful info.

            ” strawmanning arguments I don’t have.”
            well you never had an argument beyond “I don’t see why these modifications I’ve never used are useful.” which is such a compelling basis for discussion to begin with

          • roguetechie

            I get where you’re coming from but from what I’ve seen the human brain and senses “key/activate” on something being different like movement, non contiguous geometric shapes.

            So that square comp or factory porting really do have a purpose.

            Whether people know it or not they also see the gun shaped bulge/ holster but if YOU are acting like you belong, everything’s OK, and lastly their subconscious lizard brain looks for the addict, gang banger cop or etc!

            If you fail any of their lizard brain layer cake of potential danger, imminent danger, and or RUN there’s more of them than I have rounds!

            One of the things that has beneficial effects on gun culture is tribal knowledge being pumped into the wider gun community every time veterans rotate out.

            Honestly that’s what helps us ask the right questions wrt gun fights, equipment load, and etc.
            The shapes thing and the way we process difference is pretty neat, and well worth the reading of these studies and etc.

            Mike Sparks talks about it in one of his aviation pages.

            The truly interesting thing is just how much we can do without resorting to expensive stuff.

          • roguetechie

            FWIW, I agree with you about the grip being the primary obstacle to conceal ability…

            For those that don’t immediately grock this concept…

            U fat yo put down the god damn fried chicken and back away slowly!

          • Jared Vynn

            The grip is one of the primary obstacles to concealability, but a good canted holster can alleviate that. I would place the slide/barrel as a solid runner up to the grip though.

          • roguetechie

            As a very skinny and small framed person I’d somewhat tend to agree, however I’ve noticed that you can have one long bulky protrusion with a wider more rounded one and still retain decent concealability.

            It’s when you’ve got two protrusions in nearly an L shape that things get dicey for concealment real fast!

            To my mind this makes finding a way to make the grip stubbier, especially if it means I can get away with concealing something with a longer barrel, the way to go.

          • Jared Vynn

            Thankfully with modern defense ammo it’s easier to get more out of the shorter barrels.

            The L shape does make concealing a bit dicey, a red dot on top makes it a bit of a t shape and a little harder to conceal. I have a 22tcm 1911 I considered carrying but not only is it the full size grip but a double stack to boot and sticks out like you wouldn’t believe. Upside is the ammo weighs a lot less.

          • roguetechie

            I actually CC’ed a rock island double stack 1911a1 pattern as a winter gun when I lived places with actual snow!

          • Jared Vynn

            Always easier to conceal with a jacket or thick clothing. I think if I could find a good AIWB holster I could pull it off even during the summer. Or I could always just open carry, but I would want to get a retention holster for that and possibly a lanyard.

          • gunsandrockets

            Hypocrite.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            learn what words actually mean before you use them

        • Joe

          You have ported barrel, regardless of what the manufacturer has decided to call it. There’s a reason Glock has cancelled new prodiction of the C models.

          • gunsandrockets

            Whatever you think you might know, I know from personal experience the Glock 23C is better than the Glock 23.

    • Joe

      So Mk 18’s/HK 416’s with 10″ barrels would benefit more from having a longer barrel instead of a muzzle device too?

      • gunsandrockets

        Are you really so foolish as to detach my statement from it’s context?

        • Joe

          1. If a Comp can help keep the muzzle flat on an SBR it can do the same on a handgun.

          2. Unless you are attempting to conceal carry a handgun in a Leotard, adding 1″ in length to the muzzle end of any subcompact, or compact semi auto isn’t going to suddenly make you print, or be unreasonably uncomfortable.

          3. The end user will of course have to decide, do they want less muzzle blast, or redirected muzzle blast. With a 9mm using 124-147gr +P duty ammo your going to have muzzle blast with all barrels under 6-10″ in length. I personally would rather add 1″ in length via a Comp and gain more control/faster splits/flatter shooting gun, than to add a 8″ barrel or device, such as a suppressor to my appendix carried conceal carry handgun.

          • roguetechie

            Yup slow is fast and fast is smooth

            Pretty sure I butchered the quote.

  • 360_AD

    As if 9mm really need a comp… Made to part money from fools.

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      It doesn’t need a comp. but the thing is you can put one on, if you want, and shoot better, incredible.

      • DIR911911 .

        more likely to be resistant to adding extra weight to a carry gun

        • DonDrapersAcidTrip

          not so resistant to lecturing everyone else on how things were done “back in the day” though apparently

          • Jared Vynn

            Funny at 25 I don’t feel that old, but you seem to only want to attack our persons instead of our arguments. As someone on the P320 bandwagon I find your insinuating that I am old fashioned to be hilarious.

          • roguetechie

            Do you have a P320?

            I’m kinda curious about them, but since I can’t get nearly the deal the army got ($208 per pistol) I’ve sorta been hesitant.

          • Jared Vynn

            I’m waiting to see if the prices drop and to see what kind of third party parts are made. Unfortunately it’s gonna be a while until I can buy any new guns, medical costs suck.

          • roguetechie

            Know that feeling all too well, though I broke down and started ordering the parts etc to build myself an ultralight AR74.

            AR74= An AR15 using a modified AR47 lower that will instead take magpul ak74 5.45×39 magazines and hopefully I’ll be able to make a South Korean AK drum lock up too. If so, I’ll be converting the drum to work with 5.45×39.

            I’ll also be doing a DIY bump stock and pistol grip built around the UTG pro line stock featured on TFB the other day, and a suitable modular pistol grip I’ll modify to function as part of the bump fire system.

            The idea being to build myself a fun gun which is cheap and won’t tax my physical endurance too hard when firing from positions other than prone.

          • Jared Vynn

            I’d be careful doing DiY bumpfire simply because the ATF isn’t​ always consistent and tends to be heavy handed.

            Personally I have been toying with a faux burst shot trigger idea, just gotta work on translating the picture in my head to paper.

            I would love to try 5.45 in something like a mini14/30 platform.

          • roguetechie

            Oh I agree, I’m very careful to color inside the lines.

            Considering signals the ATF itself is making right now I figure I’m good until at least a few Novembers from now.

            Depending on how things look on November 9th of 2020… I will re evaluate if I need to.

            I’d likewise offer you the same advice to be careful especially since an fcg group that’s legal and one that’s not is about half a stroke with a medium roughness file.

            Especially since they successfully got a shoe lace declared a machine gun once already!

          • Jared Vynn

            The shoe lace still makes me chuckle.

            My thought was to design it so that the trigger would over it’s entire travel trip the sear three times, but you would have to release it a little bit after each shot to release the disconnect. This way you could ride the resets to facilitate a faux burst fire, but you would have to physically let the trigger move forward​ between shots and it would only be one shot per function of the trigger.

          • roguetechie

            A trinary trigger so to speak…

            I wish you look, and smooth sailing when you send your sample to ATF tech branch assuming that you decide you want to market it.

          • Jared Vynn

            Yeah trinary trigger is a good term, depending on how well I can get a prototype I might try to market it if not sell the design out.

          • roguetechie

            I’m in the process of securing the IP for a tool thing I designed, hopefully I can find someone to buy that aspect of the design so I can afford to protect and launch other iterations more quickly.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            age doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with being prone to unimaginative, boring, regressive thinking, as you demonstrate

          • Jared Vynn

            If you were to see my post history on TFB you would see imagination ain’t something I am lacking. Unless you are gonna try and be civil and stop insulting me I am just gonna assume you have no interest in actual discussion and block you. Don’t like doing so, but sometimes it’s necessary.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            yeah I’m really going to miss these pointless replies that don’t actually say anything

      • roguetechie

        Don,

        Actually quite a bit of research does indicate that 9×19 really could use a compensator since it’s at or over the limits of true controllability for pistols.

        Hence why 4.6hk and 5.7fn are more than a little less energetic than 9×19 para…

    • Jared Vynn

      I could understand a linear comp or a flash hider as there is lowlight concerns (hence the flashlight) but a regular compensator/brake I would think would only serve to aggravate muzzle flash and hurt your night sight.

      • DonDrapersAcidTrip

        Yeah you’ve made clear you don’t actually have the first clue about any of these mods you’re dismissing, just rehashing 2003 gun forum “wisdom” with no experience.

        Also upvoting your own posts repeatedly is weird.

      • Joe

        You’ve never actually fired a compensated 9mm handgun at night have you?

        • Jared Vynn

          I’ve fired 9, 40, 10, 45, 38 super, and more comped at night. Yes I have experience mostly using my old man’s race guns for hunting.

    • roguetechie

      You do know that several studies have actually shown 9×19 para to be at or over the upper limit for controllability and fast follow up shots right?

      Why do you think 4.6HK and 5.7FN are actually less energetic than 9×19 para?

    • Joe

      Exact same thing has been said about 5.56, & 7.62 NATO….

  • Avid Fan

    Think of the hatred and vitriol this concept would get if it were a Commander sized 1911. But satellite TV on your Glock is ok. Now this same package on a Glock 29 might not be so silly.

    • Jared Vynn

      A 1911 I could understand stand as it’s an inherently accurate platform, but I still think porting with a longer barrel and slide would be better.

      • roguetechie

        Inherently accurate platform….

        You mean rifles?

        Actually truthfully when it comes to both pistols and rifles the true variable to how accurate a gun is these days is always the same, and it sure isn’t the brand or specific platform…

        • Jared Vynn

          With the way the barrel locks up on the 1911 it tends to be more mechanically accurate I believe.

          Otherwise it’s mostly dependent on the shooter and ammunition.

          • roguetechie

            Considering that the Glock uses what is essentially the same locking system as the one in the hi-power which Browning also did much of the development work on, it only being handed off to Saive due to JMB’s death mid development, and was specifically intended to be an improved version of the earlier 1911 barrel link…

            I would tend to question the idea that the 1911 mechanism possesses more inherent accuracy potential.

            This said though, this is just my own personal belief based upon what I know of the development histories and my personal experiences with 1911’s, hi-powers (& their innumerable clones), and Glocks.

            Personally I’m a rabid fan of rotating barrel locked short recoil pistol operating systems myself, so my opinion and $5 should get you a cup of coffee as the saying goes.

            There’s actually a pistol design inspired by a couple of patents by a “new energy” goofball named Raphial Morgado.

            (most “famous” for his invention of the massive yet tiny engine for what that’s worth)

          • Jared Vynn

            The 1911 has a barrel bushing on the front that improves the lockup in a way the Glock doesn’t. Going to look up Raphial Morgado latter I am curious.

          • I’m certain that someone could play with the Glock to improve the fit between the slide and the barrel’s muzzle. For instance, you could use a muzzle profile like the S&W Model 52 or the later 3rd Gen S&W semiautos. Alternatively, you could borrow the O-ring concept from the HK Mk 23 and USP Tactical. A really obsessive gunsmith could machine the slide for a screw-in bushing or even slot it for a spherical bushing. If you wanted to use a compensator or muzzle weight, you could machine a small cone integral to the muzzle device.

          • Jared Vynn

            I think the muzzle weight/compensator with a small cone might be the best for simplicity.

          • noob

            with his zero muzzle rise pistol (which looks a lot like a european rapid fire target airgun) how does he intend to get the ammunition from the overhead magazine down into the chamber?

            And the rocketball Insane Clown Posse ammunition will have a primer that “pops off” and has to go somewhere. where will it go? there is no ejection port and the primer is going in the opposite direction.

          • noob

            wait, I found his 1983 patent

            Semiautomatic pistol and ammunition
            United States Patent 5939657

            he is going with a very HK G11 set up with a rotating chamber.

            you know, if he had access to LSAT CT ammo or caseless it could actually work.

            how does the russian VOG-15 (7P17) grenade get rid of its primer?

            the Zero Muzzle Rise pistol just expects the spent and loose primer to simply fall out of the barrel, instead of getting caught between the rotating breech and the barrel.

            It is kinda creative to put the charging handle where the magazine baseplate would be. Unfortunately his promotional video spends about 10 minutes bashing the 1911 and then asks which gun would you rather have “when it really matters”.

            Anyone who has ever shot would look at the bizarre manual of arms for the ZMR pistol and say “the 1911!”

            He should have asked “Isn’t target performance in a concealable package worth the weird space gun manual of arms and cuckoo clock action?”

          • roguetechie

            Yeah, the dude isn’t very smart, he had all sorts of very real advantages he didn’t bother mentioning. What peaks my interest is you could have large magazine capacity, a nearly full length pistol barrel, and still not print white carrying concealed.

            If someone made it work with conventional ammo and have it work well, the pistol would be a no compromise ccw gun from hell.

            This has me envisioning both the race gun version and would make for a hell of a pistol for service men to carry as a green on blue prevention mechanism!

          • noob

            speaking of patents, the first generation P90 should be pretty close to out of patent by now.

            in an age where things like that ZK-10/22 stock exists, why has nobody made P90 clones in 221 fireball or 30 cabine or 22TCM9R for fun and self defense?

            You could even make one that was shorter (with 30 round magazine capacity) that would qualify as a pistol and could conceal easily because with folding BUIS it is square like a book rather than printing L shaped like a handgun. Have a telescoping mp5 style stock on it and a SBR stamp and you’d have one mean little gun.

          • roguetechie

            Yeah,

            I’ve kinda looked at that exact thing after getting ideas from airsloth gun mods and etc.

            What I wonder is, can you replace the case coating with molycoat or something else?

          • roguetechie

            Yes… Like I said, there’s just a few problems with the design as is lol. I sort of intended to use the patents as a very loose guide. As to the ammunition feed there’s a flipper thing that works during the recoil and return cycle along with the rotating chamber.

    • Gunsmiths were building “carry comps” on Commanders and Officers ACP all the way back in the 1980s. Back in the early/mid 1990s, Springfield Armory actually offered carry comps across their entire pistol line.

  • ozzallos .

    I bought an xd in part because i could rolandize it at some point… But thats from .45acp to 460, not tacticooling a 9mm out.

    • gunsandrockets

      Funny you should mention that, I was contemplating just such a project a couple days ago!

      • ozzallos .

        Just fell in love with the idea of a 3.8″ pocket rocket and 13 rounds of 460 goodness 😉

        • roguetechie

          Come on man why only take it half way?

          .38 casull or bust I say!

    • DIR911911 .

      that’s like buying a sparkling glove because you want to be elvis

  • Lead Kisses

    An RMR on a G43? I’d be interested to see the profile from the rear. Not sure putting an optic on such a small gun like that is my cup of tea. Maybe on a G26, though.

  • Mazryonh

    This “micro comp” has got me wondering what the flash coming out of it would look like if you managed to make a version for a Glock 29. It would probably look very impressive.

  • Does the roland s[ecial include an alchohol induced gunshot wound?

    • roguetechie

      Only on Tuesday when the fobbits gather in their hidden hidey hole and watch westerns then attempt to do whatever asshatery the “star makes”

  • Lee Attiny

    I get it. It’s a normal glock but uncircumcised.

  • Tierlieb

    So, how do they index the comp correctly on a standard thread?

  • ChiptheBarber

    I’m kinda confused (I stay that way quite often now). Article starts out by saying what a great carry pistol the G19 is. Then it morphs into a Roland Special. While vastly improving a G19, it’s not going to slip nondescriptly into my jacket pocket any more when you add 4 pounds and 3 inches to the gun. Segue to….no, JUMP to the G43 which is pretty near to no-man’s land in terms of utilizable size in the first place. It’s too large to be a pocket gun and too small to be a comfortable gun to grip (at least with the “carry mag” in place). Then add a comp to it—what the heck? Wouldn’t that make it about as long as a stock G19 in the first place? There are many, many products out there that I just cannot understand the need for. I guess this just happens to be another one.

  • Colonel K

    What, no quad rails? This bites!

  • JD

    Lmao, anyone who needs a comp for a 9mm, really needs to put down the twinkies and pick up some weights. My friggen word….