BREAKING: ATF Decides Dead Air Wipes Are Silencer Parts

In a decision that could have broad implications throughout the silencer industry as well as with shooters/consumers, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATFE or ATF) has notified silencer manufacturer Dead Air Armament that the wipes used in their Ghost M silencer is a silencer part. News came to me from fellow blogger Nathan at ModernRifleman.net, who reported on an informational post on Dead Air’s Facebook page stating the company will discontinue sales of the rubber insert immediately.

Historically, the ATF has viewed wipes made of rubber or other disposable materials not to be silencer parts, making them replaceable by the end user. Replacing actual silencer parts, no matter how small, can only be accomplished by an FFL/SOT.*

* Thanks to the HansohnBrothers.com team for the clarification  any FFL can replace wipes, which is fairly significant. Instead of sending your Silencer to an SOT, your local FFL can legally do the replacement.

At this point, it is unclear why the ATF has decided to reverse their opinion on a nearly 20 year old issue. Once used in a variety of now dated silencer designs, the wipe has seen a limited resurgence as of late in modular suppressors and small silencers that require the use of an ablative media (“wet”) for increased noise reduction.

Wipes

From Dead Air Via Facebook:

Please read regarding Ghost 45M

Valued Dead Air customers, dealers and wholesalers,

Last week, we were notified by the BATFE that they consider the accessory aperture wipe on our Ghost 45M suppressor to be a “silencer” part. We presented them with the Bardwell ATF opinion letter (http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/atf_letter66.txt)* that is commonly used as justification for the use of wipes and replacement of wipes in silencers by their owners. This morning, we were informally notified that the BATFE FTB does not share the opinion of the Bardwell letter regarding wipes not being silencer parts, and asked that we take immediate corrective action. As such we are immediately discontinuing the sale of accessory wipes for that product. The aperture wipe for the Ghost has always been an optional use item. We have consciously decided NOT to pursue the issue with FTB, as the resulting opinion letter, based on the informal notification to us, may have a potential negative impact on ALL owners of suppressors that utilize wipes in the design.

Moving forward we are conducting research on a wipe constructed of a more durable material, that will be included with the Ghost 45M. Extra or additional wipes will not be available for sale. Other options and clarifications are being sought as well.

Dead Air has developed and will release a new linear compensator product for handguns and submachineguns that will lead to cross compatibility with some Ghost accessories, including pistons, fixed mounts and caliber specific caps.

We appreciate the support of our customer, dealers and wholesalers, and will continue to bring innovative, quality products to the market. If there are any questions regarding this issue or any questions about our products, please contact us at info@deadairsilencers.com,

Thank You
Gary Hughes
Director of Sales
Dead Air Silencers

ATF 1999 ‘Bardwell Letter’ Regarding Wipes

In regard to the two parts in your cited example, we consider a
baffle to be a silencer, but a wipe, which is usually nothing more
than a rubber or plastic disc with a hole in it, is generally not
considered to be a silencer. Thus an individual owner could
replace a wipe.




Pete

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  • M-dasher

    Hey look….another unenforcable law that no one is going to follow…..thanks ATF!

    • Juggernaut

      Just like most stuff out of Trump’s mouth the passing of the HPA is complete BS.

      • valorius

        Where did that come from?

        • m-dasher

          like most liberls, he probably feels the need to incessantly let the world know he hates trump…

          ” oh this sandwich is pretty good, whered you get it?”

          “YEAH THE SANDWICH IS PRETTY GOOD, UNLIKE TRUMPS POLICIES!”

          • GD Ajax

            Everyone hates President white trash now. Those who voted for him deserve to lose their benefits. As those who support him are meth smoking loses and other moochers.

          • Yeah, that attitude worked so very well for Clinton during the election, obviously the only rational plan is to double down on it until Dems lose everything in the midterms and Trump gets re-elected by a landslide.

            GG, Ds.

          • Wow!

            The NIMBLE NAVIGATOR continues to expose the democrats as fools. The past week was exceptionally golden with the Russian conspiracy and the tax returns.

          • Phillip Cooper

            Personally, I’m enjoying watching the left/Dems go absolutely nuckin-futz and melt down.

          • frankspeak

            after recent events..not so sure that’s gonna’ happen!

          • M-dasher

            Nice to know you voted clinton…..

          • Steve Sparks

            I love this kind of BS. This is why Trump overwhelming won among the productive classes.

          • frankspeak

            …or those who would like to be “productive”…

          • Bad Penguin

            GD , didn’t you mean ex-president half-white trash?

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            How about more and more people just plain hating GOVERNMENT. Which is the DISEASE masquerading as the CURE.

          • iksnilol

            Umm… Juggernaut is pretty far right, several times accused of being a nazi. So calling him a “liberls” is a bit wrong.

          • dltaylor51

            He sounds like a Juggernut.

          • Phillip Cooper

            Nazis weren’t far-right.

            Nazi is more in keeping with him being a leftie….

          • gabriel brack

            Except the lefties consider righties nazi like. WE know what it actually is but THEY throw the term at anyone that disagrees with them.

          • Cymond

            Reminds me of how the Right constantly treated “Obummer”.

            Personally, I dislike both sides. They’re like creepy alternate universe versions of each other.

          • Edeco

            “The more things change, the more they stay the same.” -Snake Plissken

          • frankspeak

            good analogy..was hoping this guy would be different!…

        • UpChuck.Liberals

          Lack of a silencer.

          • valorius

            Indeed.

        • Phillip Cooper

          Juggernaut. Thus, it was random and nonsensical.

      • Pranqster

        What a Liar, He was suppose to be on OUR side.

        • frankspeak

          …nope…just the “productive class”….

          • Pranqster

            indeed

      • Hoosier Steve

        Wake up Juggernaut, Congress has not passed it yet and the democrats are fighting ot tooth and nail

      • Bad Penguin

        Off your meds again I see.

    • Pranqster

      I thought Trump was gonna legalize suppressors, not pile on MORE restrictions!!!

      • M-dasher

        Yes because im sure trump called up the ATF personally and told them to do this……moron

        • Pranqster

          He called Ford, He called Carrier, He called Boeing.
          Why does he refuse call the ATF?

          • koolhed

            Pranqster… are you “that guy” that never votes and thinks that anyone who votes is a fool?

          • Pranqster

            I’ve voted IN PERSON in every election since I was 18. Far more than most.

          • frankspeak

            give him time..he may yet get rid of these guys…after killing “entitlements” and tax cuts, of course..just a question of priorities!

          • Pranqster

            Sure, The Republicans can’t even agree on repealing Obamacare. Empty promises!

      • Bad Penguin

        He hasn’t even been in office for 3 months for gods sake, give him time. This is one of the smaller problems he has to fix. First he has to fix the big problems.

        • frankspeak

          like SCOTUS…that’s Huuuge!..

        • Jake Atkins

          Like getting down to a 3 stroke par right?

  • Pls disband the atf president trump.

    • ExMachina1

      Don’t think anything 2A is high on his agenda. He’s too busy tweeting about what he sees on late night TV and phoning up cute, 24-year old Fox news anchors to thank them for “defending” him.

      • valorius

        Wrong. He has placed national reciprocity very high on his agenda.

        Where the hell are all these libs coming from? Are they aware this is a gun site?

        • int19h

          Yes, yes we are. We have guns too, just FYI.

          • valorius

            Except they hold 10 rounds, can’t have any evil “assault rifle accessories” and they cry if you don’t talk to them nicely.

          • int19h

            My four ARs and two C-MAG drums respectfully disagree.

          • valorius

            Well if your political masters had their way you’d be using a wrist rocket.

          • Mr Evilwrench

            They wouldn’t want to get crossways of me and my wrist rocket, for that matter. I have one I can use w

          • Mr Evilwrench

            You live in one of those bits crusted onto one of the coasts, don’t you?

        • Wow!

          TFB is a very much a libertarian site. Libertarians are liberals with guns. Ever wonder why the motto is “guns not politics” despite many political articles? AKA we don’t want to hear right wing opinions (which is the majority of weapon enthusiasts).

          • H.C.

            If you think being a Libertarian has anything to do with being a Liberal, you’re not a Libertarian. Libertarians are in favor of restricting government as much as possible. Liberals are in favor of a government that is everyone’s caretaker. I suggest you find styxhexenhammer666 and watch his video A refutation of Left Libertarianism.

      • Jim_Macklin

        He mentions the Second Amendment at every speech. It is on this agenda! National Reciprocity is very high on his list.
        Also on his list is any government agency or program that doesn’t actually accomplish its stated function.

        • int19h

          As head of EO, he could literally direct the ATF to stop enforcing the entirety of NFA with a single stroke of his pen.

          That he hasn’t done anything even close tells you all you need to know on what he really thinks about 2A.

          • The NFA (and the GCA and FOPA, et al) are federal law, they can’t just… not be enforced– if ATF didn’t do it, FBI would.

            Which is a very good idea, actually, and one I’ve always supported– ATF is a completely unnecessary agency and should be dissolved immediately, with FBI handling enforcement and IRS taxation and no more unlegislated ~~opinions~~ that carry the weight of federal law despite never having been voted on by elected representatives.

          • int19h

            There are plenty of federal laws that haven’t been enforced, because the executive refused to enforce them. To remind, DEA hasn’t been enforcing many federal drug laws in states that legalized weed. ICE has also not been enforcing many immigration laws.

            This is very much a grey area when it comes to precedent. There’s no explicit clause requiring the executive to enforce laws. It can be reasonably argued that for the president, this obligation is implicit in their oath to “faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States” – but the only real judge of that is the Congress, via impeachment if they feel that the oath is not upheld.

            There’s also an argument that the president can – in fact, is obligated to, by that same oath – not implement the laws that are unconstitutional. When it comes to ATF, that would be easy to invoke via 2A, and let anyone challenge that in court.

            But in this particular case, all that stuff is not relevant, because we aren’t even talking about written law – we’re talking about the interpretation of that law by ATF. There’s nothing in NFA that says or implies that baffles, wipes and other components ought to be regulated as silencers in their own right – ATF in their infinite wisdom decided that. They do have such prerogative under the NFA, which explicitly gave them the authority to interpret it. But head of executive can guide, and even explicitly direct, their interpretation, by virtue of being head of executive. So Trump could absolutely sign a EO wiping out, at the very least, all of ATF’s onerous interpretations of NFA. This would include the notion that adding a VFG to a pistol makes it an AOW, for example, or the whole stabilizing brace thing.

          • Pranqster

            What happened to his “day 1” promises? Quit defending his lies

          • I believe you may have responded to the wrong comment, friend.

          • Pranqster

            whoops. sorry ’bout that.

          • frankspeak

            sensible..and may yet happen…

          • frankspeak

            congress wouldn’t permit that..they’re the source of McClure-Volkmer…and that occurred during a republican administration

          • int19h

            For Congress to not permit that, they’d have to pass a bill prohibiting it. So they would have to have a vote.

            Now, how many of them do you think would be willing to risk having their name on such a piece of legislation, all while NRA hounds them down about it?

        • iksnilol

          Lip service, do you know what that means?

          • koolhed

            55 days in office and you’re not happy yet? Amazing/

          • GaryOlson

            Also known as marketing — say it loud, say it often. Some people need to be hit early and often with a clueXfour before you take action.

        • Pranqster

          What happened to his “day 1” promises? Quit defending his lies

        • davida

          whom ever authorized this change needs to be canned from the job.
          i do not have silencers (YET) but this kinda stuff is getting to stupid.
          the only benifit i see in this is i will never get to sit on a jury on such issues.

        • frankspeak

          NR may turn out badly if federal standards are applied….

      • Wow!

        He has Judges violating federal law. There are more important things to take care of first. If he plays the 2A card now, people will ignore it and it is dead in the water.

        And 2A is not defended by the federal government, it is defended by the people. When you comply with illegal laws you are equally to blame for us in this situation in the first place.

  • Guy Slack

    Hey look something I never knew existed until this article is banned!

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    Dear ATF, how does every single hardware store in the US prevent themselves being shutdown for felony sale of suppressor parts now?

    • ExMachina1

      It’s not the possession of just one part, it’s possessing all the parts that defines intent. Just like having an AR stock by itself is not a violation, but having a stock AND an AR pistol (and not having an AR rifle) is enough to be an NFA violation

      • Travis

        Even then, depending on the situation and what they want to pin on a person, they can throw any charge that they would like at you.

        • ExMachina1

          For possessing gaskets for your sink?!!

        • Shayne Jenkins

          Almost as if obama was still in office….

          • Pranqster

            In other words, Trump lied to us, and is no better than Obama on guns?

          • Hoosier Steve

            In other words the prmanent bureaucracy is still in control

          • Pranqster

            Shame on the republicans who actually believed he was any different. So much for draining the swamp.

          • Bad Penguin

            So you could drain the Everglades overnight? You should be president.

          • Pranqster

            I could. Id be the greatest president god ever placed in the white house. Bigly.

          • Phillip Cooper

            Please learn how the government works….

          • Pranqster

            why? I know at least as much about government as the oopa-loompa you elected. Bigly.

          • Phillip Cooper

            Ah, the typical lefty response- presuming to know a thing about me, and attacking me on it.

            FOAD, CS.

          • Pranqster

            Awe, did I hurt your feeligs snowflake?

          • frankspeak

            his priorities appear to be destroying “entitlements” and tax cuts…standard republican fare..

          • frankspeak

            ..this current push for “universal reciprocity” could end badly, as well..if ATF is allowed to oversee it…

          • Hoosier Steve

            Prankster, I want to remind you that swamp draining takes time. The swamp was not built in a day and cannot be taken down in a day. Second, when you are up to your ass in alligators, the original goal of draining the swamp is often forgotten.

          • Hoosier Steve

            An old saying, that it is hard to remember you were there to drain the swamp when you are up to your ass in alligators!

          • Rocket Doc

            THE ESTABLISHMENT AND ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA HYPE!!!!

          • Bad Penguin

            Takes time to weed all of these guys out. Have to get rid of the biggest problems first.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            Yeah let me know how replacing politicians with ceos works for corruption

          • Mr Evilwrench

            Well, we know it doesn’t work with politicians in there, could CEOs be worse? Sure they could, but we’d never know.

          • Pranqster

            indeed, and rednecks still think Trump is looking out for the working man! Suckers

          • frankspeak

            well,..we already knew “SHE” wrote them off..so they didn’t have much choice..it was..”vote republican..and cross your fingers”!

          • Pranqster

            Who cares if she wrote them off? Why do republicans need to be coddled all the time, what whiny little snowflakes!

          • Unless you want to go back to the spoils system, this sort of thing is a continuing problem that nobody has figured out how to fix. The civil service system has a lot of advantages, this is one of the disadvantages.

          • Phillip Cooper

            It’s more than likely the result of a bureaucrat who has been there for years.

          • frankspeak

            yeah,..get the impression there are some anti-gun types deeply imbedded there….

        • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

          The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge charges sure prove your point.

      • TennTexan

        Wrong. Possessing even a single baffle for an unregistered silencer is a federal crime. ATF views the baffle or any other “silencer part” as possessing the silencer itself. Intent has nothing to do with it.

        • ExMachina1

          Who the eff is talking about “baffles”. Baffles are CLEARLY suppressor parts. Rubber washers sold in hardware store are NOT. Sheesh.

          • TennTexan

            The point is possessing a single “thing” that ATF considers a “silencer part,” be it baffle, tube, or otherwise, is verboten. Intent is irrelevant.

          • ExMachina1

            I thought we were talking about hardware stores…

          • RetroG

            We are. All the parts for a working suppressor can be found in a hardware store. Along with the tools to manufacture it, and thread a barrel.

          • Jim_Macklin

            All hardware and home stores sell all the parts needed to make a pipe bomb. Fertilizer, oil, thread pipe, caps, wire, batteries.
            PVC pipe could be undetectable pipe bombs, even Bangalore torpedoes..
            I saw a contractor burying water main lines apparently. But they could be terrorists mining the city with huge network of buried bombs. Or maybe all these “water pipes” are just drug infrastructure used to transport drugs to and from Mexico?

          • Rocket Doc

            QUICK!!! WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN EVERY HARDWARE STORE IN THE COUNTRY!!!! SOMEONE CALL THE BATF, AND TELL THEM!!!! THEY ARE MANUFACTURED FOR ALL OUR HARDWARE NEEDS, AND THAT IS DANGEROUS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE USED FOR SILENCING YOUR FAUCET AND USED FOR NOISE SUPPRESSION ON YOU SAW STAND!!! WE CAN’T HAVE A PART OF SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT LET SOMETHING MAKE A NOISE, OR A BANG!!!! OH MY GOD, THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!(HE SAYS EXTREMELY SARCASTICALLY)…

            THE BATF NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN, IT IS MANNED BY PEOPLE WHO ARE WANNA BE COPS, AND SOLDIERS, WHO HAVE EITHER BEEN BRAIN DAMAGED OR WANT TO HAVE COMPLETE POWER OVER OTHERS LIVES… THEY ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND ANSWER TO NO ONE, THUS A A THUG AGENCY, BENT ON DESTRUCTION OF OUR REPUBLIC!!!!!

            F**K THE BATF!!!!!

          • Carlos Velazquez

            I used to deliver industrial grade fertilizer to golf courses and farms. There were certain red flags that the sales reps were to look for when selling fertilizer to new customers. Don’t be suprised if pipe specialists at hardware stores are told to look for red flags from new customers. You know the usual red flags……….. baseball caps with the stars and bars, NRA logo, or Git-R-Done on it, camouflage clothing, tobacco stains on their teeth, and people who only buy straight pieces of pipe.

          • frankspeak

            …now my ears hurt!…share your sentiments though..and there is some talk that may actually happen….

          • Fal Phil

            QUICK!!! WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN EVERY HARDWARE STORE IN THE COUNTRY!!!!

            Actually, this is not a bad strategy. If BATF got a couple of hundred thousand “tips” on their hotline every month about someone selling unregistered suppressor parts at a given address, which just happened to be the address of a big box hardware or home goods store, they might realize what a stupid interpretation of the law this is.

          • sonofamotherlessgoat

            they have a slant drilling rig ?

          • frankspeak

            obviously we’re talking about something you could make yourself..without them having any knowledge of it..sounds unenforceable and just an attempt to intimidate…

          • Phillip Cooper

            Until they send the ninjas after you, and “accidentally” put a round in your dog and your wife.

          • Rocket Doc

            BRING ‘EM ON!!! I PREFER A FACE TO FACE FIGHT!!! I AIN’T AFRAID OF THESE TERRORISTS!!!

          • Phillip Cooper

            Settle down, Francis. You aren’t the badass you think you are.

          • frankspeak

            …while she’s holding the baby!

          • LilWolfy

            I have baffles in the mufflers on all of my vehicles. Much death, much assassin I iz.

        • valorius

          Intent only applies to Hillary Clinton.

        • Don

          Then every car owner is breaking the law then according to what you’re saying. Any oil filter is a silencer if you buy the fitting that connects it to a rifle. It’s all about intent, quit acting like a legal know it all. You are completely wrong on this.

          • jerry young

            Don’t forget ghetto silencers, a empty pop bottle and a bit of tape to secure it, so every time you finish that bottle of water or pop you’re breaking the law and God forbid you need a roll of tape for anything

          • Snake

            All of this arguing is childish and stupid. The fact remains that the ATF is an illegal agency enforcing unconstitutional “laws”. Whether there is intent or not is bullhockey, but until you actually do what “you intend” you have broken no law! The US is the only country that has declared the suppressor/silencer to be illegal; most other countries you can buy them at the local hardware store or just make them yourself. Lets just hope that Trump/congress passes the Hearing Protection Act” and also gets rid of many alphabet agencies like the EPA, ATF, BLM, etc.

          • Mr Evilwrench

            “Intent” was a dangerous toy to let them have. It should have been put down like a rabid dog the first time some idiot bureaucrat thought of it. If you have over an arbitrary quantity of some drug, you’ll receive an additional charge of “intent to sell”, even if you just didn’t want to run out so soon.

          • Mike Domgard

            Actually, if you own a threaded barrel and one of the oil can adapter fitting then you are in violation. Intent is not necessary. You can’t have both in your house. If you have oil filters and a threaded barrel that is fine. It is the adapter you can’t have. It is worth noting that if the ATF is making a surprise stop at your place then you have bigger problems because they don’t make random surprise visits on law abiding gun owners.

          • Cymond

            Please provide citation for this claim.

          • Eurk Burkell

            ATF doesn’t make surprise visits at anyone’s house.

          • Mike Domgard

            As long as you aren’t continually breaking the law you’re right. But if you start selling oil filter thread adapters online expect a visit sooner or later!

          • TennTexan

            An oil filter has obvious uses apart from being a makeshift silencer. I’m talking about items that ATF considers to be “silencers,” which includes baffles, tubes, and now, apparently, wipes.

          • Don

            TennTexan, and the wipes don’t have non-firearm uses? Come on now… The wipe was a product developed originally as a common hardware item which was then repurposed and renamed by some creative individual wanting to solve an issue and make money doing it.

          • TennTexan

            Oh wipes absolutely DO have non-firearm uses, and I vehemently disagree with ATF’s opinion that wipes are “silencer parts.”

        • LGonDISQUS

          That’s why I threw all my gun oil filter gun cleaning adapters into a lake!

          • Kivaari

            I have those rubber washers in the shop and never had a silencer for them. I used them on other projects totally unrelated to firearms.

          • LGonDISQUS

            Could we throw a condom over oue suppressors? You know… for protection?

          • supergun

            Just make a contribution to hillary and you will be ok.

          • Phillip Cooper

            I have them in my toolbox. I use them for plumbing. Apparently I am now a felon??
            Note: I bought them at Lowes, for the home improvement, plumbing repair purpose. But they are identical.

          • PC

            Yes you are. You need to go to jail.

          • LilWolfy

            So you run a business that specializes in providing assassin tools discreetly….you’re guilty.

      • valorius

        can you show me a case where anyone was ever prosecuted for that?

        • davida

          hardly the issue. it’s the fact if this stands they COULD
          and its reasionable to be outraged by that fact alone.

          • valorius

            I’m not saying it’s not irksome, i’m saying i don’t think it’s every actually happened.

          • davida

            its like saying shoe laces are now garots and your subject to law for it .. (unlawful possion) who last got charged for haveing or using shoe laces that way.
            or great grand ma’s wick glass lamp (that strangely looked like a molitove cocktail to me. but lacked the throwing of it. )

          • Pumpkin King XXIII

            Actually the atf has held that shoe laces can be machine guns

          • Wow!

            Valorius brings up a good point that most of the BATFE’s power comes from the chilling effect. They try to scare us knowing they can’t do anything about it and let gun owners quiver in their boots and regulate themselves. Talk to any LE officer about trends. The people who are found out with “illegal” weapons are people who committed other crimes, and the weapons were found as a bonus. Next to no one (unless you are a business or otherwise registered on BATFE’s short lists) is found strictly based on having illegal weapons. Which actually goes to show that straight up violating the laws is the safest way to go and actually is the best way to fight gun control. Just look on youtube. If you ever worked with the BATFE you can tell that certain videos are obviously illegal, but the BATFE knows they can’t do anything about it. BATFE are FBI rejects in all respects, and people seem to forget that.

          • frankspeak

            yeah,..at least when it comes to the enforcement branch…they tend to score the lowest….

          • frankspeak

            ATF went down this road some time ago…with M-16 parts, for example…the only prosecutable offense should be when you actually assemble something….

      • Sianmink

        Hardware stores have tubes, threaded adapters, washers, rubber washers and sheet, wire, steel wool, and insulation.

        All of these things can and have been used to construct suppressors.

      • Jim_Macklin

        I guess we all should register as “sexual predators” since we all have the parts.

        • Paul Rain

          That will be allowed, but they would prefer that you remove them and certainly do not use them to have children.

          • Bad Penguin

            But wouldn’t that make him transbarreled or something?

          • Danilushka Ozera

            But you can choose which sex you identify with and use any bathroom you fancy.

          • Snake

            You can also have intent and not be fined!

        • Phillip Cooper

          You joke, but there are nutters who’d have us do precisely that.

          • Rocket Doc

            KATHERINE MCKINNEN, PROFESSOR AT THE MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY… ALL SEX IS RAPE…

          • Phillip Cooper

            Spoken like someone who’s not getting any. And never should.

          • Cymond

            Google is your friend.
            Ok, maybe not your friend.
            http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mackinnon.asp

        • Sianmink

          I’m a sexual tyrannosaurus

        • frankspeak

          but no serial numbers…yet!….

      • Cullen Swanson

        Well said.

    • Some Rabbit

      Exactly. How do you discern a suppressor wipe from say, a common rubber washer or gasket? HomeDepot and my plumber need to know if they should be getting $200 tax stamps for each one.

      • supergun

        Especially when they can haul your a@@ off to jail and fine you hundreds of thousands of dollars over wipes. Unbelievable.

      • Striker333

        No wonder my last plumbing repair bill was so high-

    • David Christensen

      This looks like another case of Obama hold-overs. Drain the Swamp! Let’s get back to Congress writing the laws!

    • LilWolfy

      Maybe we should call in anonymous tips around the clock about stores selling suppressor parts, starting with Lowes and Home Depot, then onto any plumbing supply and hardware store.

    • GOT12

      the atf was also concerned about steel wool because it can be used in silencers

    • supergun

      The lunacy must stop. Hopefully President Trump can put some common sense back into these agencies. Where did this stuff come from?

  • PersonCommenting

    So if I have a can and want to replace a wipe I have to send the can back to manufacture?

    • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

      Yes. More importantly, and this is the worst part, you could now be charged with felony violation of the NFA for possessing gasket material and gasket punches, even if you’re also an automotive mechanic.

      • ExMachina1

        If you’re a mechanic (or really, if you have anything that requires a gasket) you would not be in technical violation. And since wipes aren’t serialized, I don’t know how ATF would ever prove that one have been replaced in an unauthorized way…pretty stupid waste of ATF’s resources it seems to me.

      • TennTexan

        F the ATF in the A… I’ve got a ziploc bag full of spare wipes for my Poseidon. They know where to find me if they want to come get my ass…

        • Dual sport

          A real bad ass would post under his real are and home address.

          • Paul Rain

            A real bad ass would post under the address of the quarry next to his hide. c.f. Ross, J. Unintended Consequences 1996.

      • You could be charged… but only if you’ve already been busted for something else and they’re trying to stack enough extra weight on your neck to convince you to plead out and save them the hassle of proving you guilty in court. Ergo, don’t be a felon and you’ll almost certainly be fine.

    • If you have a can and want to replace a wipe, quietly make your own from hardware store parts and be sure not to commit any other felony crimes, since the only reason this sort of thing is ever prosecuted– and I mean the only reason– is if someone has already been busted for a felony and the feds are stacking charges on the to prompt a plea deal and ensure that at least something sticks.

      • PersonCommenting

        Yeah thats the way I look at most things. 922 laws I quietly do the same thing as well… Some of the parts you cant even tell if they are US made or not. Just another dumb law. If it has no manufacture origin I just call it could on a build. Of course all of this is just for entertainment purposes only, I dont mean anything. Just a keyboard warrior.

        In all seriousness I try and tow the line but since I am not a lawyer I probably have broken the law on a few things. For instance I just found out that it is the law that you have to notify UPS when shipping a gun to your self.. I thought it was corporate policy but found out it isnt just policy if a company has that in their handbook then it is enforced by law. Now I cant ship anything because they wont take it. I have heard of guys en running this by doing pick up boxes and they just notify the guy picking the package up and he usually doesnt care but Im just not willing to take the risk on a 500 or more dollar object.

        • With UPS you have to take it to a hub, not just one of the neighborhood shipping stores. They absolutely do not give a buck at the hubs, just drop off the box with a shipping label on it and tell them it’s a firearm packed according to UPS regulations.

          • PersonCommenting

            My hub did and it was frustrating because I got ahold of some corporate manager and he said their policy is that one end has to be an FFL and I even found it in their books that it did. It was soooo frustrating because depending on where you are and who is working they enforce it all differently. My overall point is that laws are complex and I am no lawyer so while I dont intentionally want to break the law the Government doesnt care about that. Just reading ATF rules on the subject was nauseating and after sorting it out I found out you did have to notify. It was crazy.

  • Twilight sparkle
    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Haha! You win.

    • brutal

      The only reason to drink that swill would be for new wipes.

      • Phillip Cooper

        Oxdung! Some people don’t know good beer.

      • Longhaired Redneck

        Or somebody else is buying. Just sayin’…

    • madconfusion

      Obviously some sort of odd German suppressors.

      • Twilight sparkle

        Possibly, those rubber gaskets actually work well for guitar strap keepers though

        • Phillip Cooper

          I prefer straplocks. Get ’em cheap on Amazon. Use different screws, though- the supplied are made out of bizmuth, I’m convinced.

    • Phillip Cooper

      That’s EXACTLY what I was talking about. I have a lot of these washers laying around somewhere from my brewing days.

  • Maxpwr

    How about we compromise and it’s only a silencer part if you hold the part up to your shoulder when you shoot. That would be consistent with the SIG Brace decision.

    The Deep State Bureaucracy sucks.

    • Wow!

      It only sucks when you go along with it.

  • Evan Morris

    Thanks Obama… Oh wait…

    • ExMachina1

      Yeah, need to come up with a new retort now that its clear that no one in EITHER party cares about things we care about 😛

      • m-dasher

        why….obama blamed stuff on the previous administration for years……we can too.

        • Trump doesn’t have to deal with a House and Senate controlled by obstructionist children who literally said out loud that they would devote their entire legislative effort to blocking any and every policy he supports regardless of content.

      • valorius

        It’s the deep state swamp that makes these stupid rulings on all manner of nonsense.

    • Iggy

      Dammit Donald! Has a ring to it…

  • JumpIf NotZero

    Reading DeadAir’s comments, the title is wrong.

    The ATF has not decided wipes are silencer parts. The have decided DeadAir’s wipes are silencer parts.

    The FTB telling DeadAir they don’t recognize their own agency’s opinion (comedic situation withstanding) doesn’t mean YOU have to stop using them. Until they tell you do. There is no duty to be up to date on which opinions the ATF has informally decided it wants to follow today.

    Until there is a rule change, this is a case by case basis.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      For once, I agree with you. My headline was off. Changed.

      • so people can still punch out rubber discs and use them in a silencer as several silencers allow one to do?

    • Cullen Swanson

      Well said. It’s all a matter of interpretation. Don’t read too far into it. On legal decisions like this, you have to read the letter exactly for what it is, and for the intent in which it was written. The ATF is ALL about intent.

      • until they jam you up….

        • JumpIf NotZero

          Any 1/2 decent lawyer would demolish them on this. It’s the reason that 99% of the “constructive intent” stuff is just a myth. They might use that as an add-on charge to another crime, but it’s stupid for people on the internet to get all fussy about it.

          There are great reasons the ATF doesn’t bring these things to trail. They fully rule by fear and ambiguity.

          • frankspeak

            still puts a dent in your pocketbook!…

    • frankspeak

      it only becomes relevant when you become one of their “examples”…

  • xebat

    WTF ATF ? Seriously What the F# ?

  • USMC03Vet

    Time to drain that swamp.

    • Juggernaut

      After a few more Goldman Sachs guys are added to Trump’s roster

      • valorius

        You seem confused, this is not the DailyKos or mother jones.

        • He campaigned on “draining the swamp” and then immediately appointed unilaterally unqualified cronies to every cabinet position, dude. Take off the shiny white armor and put the tinfoil hat away, this isn’t some kind of phantom liberal boogeyman conspiracy, it’s a matter of public record.

          • Paul Rain

            Please, stop with the politics, don’t throw us actual principled people in the brier patch.

          • I’m afraid that empty appeal to temperance falls kinda flat coming less than a minute after you facetiously accuse someone of antisemitism for dragging a banking corporation with a history of financial impropriety.

          • Wow!

            And how exactly are they unqualified? Because the media doesn’t like them?

          • It’s not my job to provide you with a list of political CVs you can get from any search engine, but google [betsy devos michigan results] for one glaringly obvious example.

          • valorius

            OK, it’s on i guess. The best way to dismember an organization is from the inside. How many of his appointees have said in the past they want to eliminate or gut the very agencies they’re now heading?

            Several.

          • Pretty much all of them; if they haven’t said so outright, they’ve spent enough time railing against those agencies’ core missions to add up to it.

            If you honestly think dismantling the federal government entirely is a good thing, I can’t help you aside from recommending a vacation to Mogadishu or Helmand Province if you really want to see what a lack of functional government looks like up close.

          • valorius

            I think dismantling the agencies that Trump is trying to dismantle from the inside out is a very very good thing. It’s one of the main reasons I voted for him. You know, draining the swamp and all.

            BTW, i lived in Killadelphia and worked in inner city Camden. I’ve seen up close and personal how spectacularly Democrat regulations have failed. Anarchy in Camden might be an improvement.

            In any case, I wish Trump would appoint one of these swamp drainers to the ATF.

      • Paul Rain

        You seem pretty anti-Semitic.

        • Wow, you think he’s pretty? I had no idea you swung like that!

      • USMC03Vet

        I don’t always respond to shitposting strawmen but when I do it’s only because I was cut deeply by that edge.

  • marathag

    Freeze plugs will be next.
    Too bad, car owners.

    • Cullen Swanson

      I have a feeling you’re right.

      • Ralph Brooks

        They already shut down SD Tactical a few weeks ago, and they were the only ‘legit’ outfit in the game.

        • kcshooter

          False. They did not shut them down. Once SD Tactical started selling suppressors, the parts they were selling before became suppressor replacement parts, and just like the wipes they are not end-user replaceable by law.

  • Michael Gallagher

    They just need to sell the disks without the hole in the middle. Let the end user decide what to do with them. BATFE lawyers would not even waste the time challenging that in court.

    • TennTexan

      That’s where you’re wrong, sadly. ATF has an unlimited amount of time and money to spend on making gun owners’ lives miserable.

      • frankspeak

        and “justifying” their existence….

  • 1ABT

    we know what the real ‘___wipes’ are **cough cough** ATF..

  • gunsandrockets

    Just one more reason why the HPA needs to become law.

    • some other joe

      Silencer part is still a silencer, so if HPA passes, the wipes will still need a 4473 and an FFL to complete a legal sale.

      • Ralph Brooks

        False, if the silencer is no longer part of the NFA, you can then make whatever part you want yourself with no regulation whatsoever. Homemade cans are free and clear at that point, no different than an 80% lower.

      • kcshooter

        No, replacing parts on a suppressor will be no different than replacing parts in a rifle once the HPA passes.

  • Bigbigpoopi

    So is Grainger gonna be shutdown too now? They sell TOOLS that make the wipes. The horror!

  • Gary Kirk

    K, so every time I punch out a neoprene isolator for a pipe bollard or beam support, I have now made a suppressor part???

    • Cullen Swanson

      The ATF is all about intent. If they can prove that you INTEND to use it (or any other part they deem to be a suppressor part) in an illegal way or fashion, then they can bring charges against you. You don’t have to be caught in the act of making a suppressor with one of these wipes. Intent intent intent.

  • Kirk Newsted

    All part of the leftover Obama people trying to screw everyone before they get ID’ed and fired.

    • If you think ATF stupidity started with the Obama Administration, I have a registered shoelace to sell you.

      • iksnilol

        Shoe lace kit, you mean? It’s the most versatile MG conversion ever made.

      • Kirk Newsted

        If you think its not a lefty bureaucrat doing this, I feel sorry for you.

        • I don’t really care about the individual political leanings of idiots who make idiotic policy, but hey, whatever– you be you.

          • Kirk Newsted

            I suspect you won’t care right up until the policies enacted by leftists affect you. Then you’ll scream bloody murder and demand action.

          • Yeah, it sure is great the way rightwingers never made any policies that affected me.

  • valorius

    It’s a friggin washer, which you can buy in literally any hardware store.

  • 22winmag

    Defund the ATF!

  • Grey Beard

    Quick, somebody tell Chevy that rubber cushions that go between the frame and the body of my wife’s truck make it an unregistered silencer. Only can the US Government make common sense not so common anymore. My apologies to Voltaire.

  • Jim_Macklin

    A policy change by an obama hold over. Trump should cancel it and clean house, drain the swamp that is nATF.

  • Miguel Raton

    So, what you’re saying is that the ATF [currently staffed by carryovers from the Obama regime] is waffling on their ever-unstable position about wipes being silencer parts? Shocking! Seriously, the 1st time around they decided that a piece of rubber sheet with an “X” cut into it w/ a razor blade was a silencer in & of itself was back in the early ’80s, wasn’t it? [It may have been the ’70s, idk, I didn’t pay much attention to those things at the time, I was too interested in watching the initial run of Miami Vice & such like, as kids are prone to do… ::) ] Truthfully, I was completely unaware that the BATFE had ever relented upon their wipes position, so the nearly 20 y.o. Bardwell letter comes as a complete surprise to me, moreso than any return to their former stance following 8 years of Obamanation!

    • Obama wasn’t in charge when they declared a shoelace with a metal ring on it to be a machine gun; the stupid goes way deeper than any given Presidential administration, it’s an institutional malfunction and the entire agency needs to be roundfiled.

  • BooCocky

    Abolish the ATF

  • Wow!

    Easy solution, take some rubber sheet from OSH, a hole saw and you are golden. What the BATFE doesn’t know won’t trigger them. In this day and age you are more likely to get in trouble complying with the illegal laws than not.

  • Pranqster

    Two full months into the Trump administration and Suppressors are MORE DIFFICULT to get?! Wasn’t he suppose to lock hillary up and take Suppressors off the NFA? WTF!

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      The President can’t “Take suppressors off the NFA.” That is a congressional power.

      • Pranqster

        President = Republican
        House of Representatives = Republican
        Senate = Republican
        What’s the problem?

        • frankspeak

          guess you’re not up on current events…

  • jerry young

    Looks like a common part sold at local hardware stores, I would think once you’ve paid the blood money to be able to own something like a silencer, have jumped through all the hoops, leaped every tall building and have all the proper permits that you would be able to maintain it, only needing a ffl/sot gunsmith when repairs were above your ability, are they now saying in order to buy rubber washers I need to buy permission? and just which rubber washers will this new finding cover?

    • apparently it is only the ones made by dead air that are considered under this ruling. ones made by the end user are okay. so you just buy a sheet of the appropriate rubber, an appropriate punch then make your own wipes/baffles. Several silencers tell you to do this plus welrod pistol baffles require you to do this.

  • Jones2112

    Umm, yeah, I’ve seen black rubber washers just like that at home depot or any home improvement store…

    So I guess only the special ones that DAS sells are “silencers” LOL

    I predict they’ll be a run black rubber washers at your local home improvement store…LOL

  • uisconfruzed

    The wipe looks like it can be found in the plumbing aisle.
    What next, will the ATF will have jurisdiction over my kitchen faucet?

  • CommonCents

    speaking of wipes, i think i’ll get rolls of TP printed w/ the ATF rules, anyone interested in one? we could send them to the ATF offices too.

  • Colonel K

    ATF made this same decision back in the 80s, which is why every manufacturer I an aware of quit making suppressors with disposable wipes, like the once popular “Hush Puppy”. I’m surprised they didn’t go after Dead Air sooner (ditto for the late SD Tactical and their “solvent traps”). The original reasoning ATF used was that it was getting too easy for the unwashed masses to acquire suppressor parts and make illegal cans. All one had to do was go to the right gun show or thumb through a copy of SHOTGUN NEWS (pre-internet) to find two or more sources for internals and tubes. ATF viewed it as facilitation, rather like selling bongs and other paraphernalia for those who use marijuana, so they ruled it illegal by bureaucratic fiat. As far as I know, the courts have not disagreed with them except in cases where they could not prove constructive possession (having enough parts to make something illegal or possessing parts so unique that no other use could be envisioned). I know the idea is ridiculous and of questionable constitutionality, but so is the NFA. What Dead Air can do is what some class 2s did at the time, add an extension to the suppressor and stuff it full of wipes. That way you have the option of removing it and inserting only the wipes you need as required. Eventually, you will run out of wipes, at which point you can send the unit back to a class 2 manufacturer for a refill. Or you can make your own wipes, which ATF says is illegal, but would have a difficult time proving unless they saw you making and using them. Another option is to design the suppressor to take a commercially available wipe that is used in other applications (assuming they exist). An example is the oil filter silencers are considered legal because only the adapter is the silencer. Being able to attach an oil filter is just a convenient coincidence (roll eyes). Perhaps Dead Air should design their tube large enough to accept a roll of toilet paper. They could always include a disclaimer in their instructions that inserting Charmin, while not recommended, may produce a better wipe in the end. 🙂

  • dltaylor51

    The only wipes are the butt wipes in the ATF left over from the Obama admin.Time for a purge Mr.Trump there are still many enemy’s within.

  • Danilushka Ozera

    We have a lot of Obama bin Lyin left-leaning spies to root out in D.C. particularly the ATF. Let’s just take suppressors off the NFA and be done with this nonsense. In fact, let’s justabolish the NFA all together.

    • really.really!really?

      There are separate Bill’s in the House and Senate regarding “Hearing Protection”. Removing Suppressors from ATF background checks, as well as abolishing the $200 tax are part of it. In short – if they pass in their current form – buying a suppressor will be the same as buying a gun with a NIBC.

  • DashVT

    Thanks ATF. Finally the senseless bloodsheed caused by unregulated rubber ghost washers will come to an end.

  • Josh Rothman

    Fortunately, IF one owned such a supressor, one could go to the hardware store, buy neoprene toilet tank washers as needed, and skip a) the unnecessary trip to the FFL, and b) the nonsensical discussion herein about Trump by his detractors. Try to stay on topic, guys.

  • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

    When is the deep state going to leave our rights ALONE. After all, the document they swear to uphold says >>>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED<<<<. Someone needs to bring it to there attention. Oh wait, no one can. They are part of the deep state. They don't follow anything that prescribes RIGHTS. They follow a screw you we don't need no stinking Constitution agenda.

  • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

    There is only Freedom and Slavery. Start on the left or right with the word freedom…anything going away from it is SLAVERY. Welcome to the United Slave States of America. Where we work 50% of the year to pay “Taxes” when they can create the money out of thin air. Where we have to pay “rent” to live in our own homes to the local thieves. Time is getting short…

  • Ced Truz

    The ATF is so stupid.

  • John

    Remember when shoelaces could be machine guns because they could be used to “convert” AKs? Well, I guess they still can be…

    Remember when the ATF ruled that a HOLE in a registered HK receiver was a
    machine gun all by itself? If you drilled a push pin hole in a registered receiver you had TWO machine guns in one?

  • Phillip Cooper

    So does the local Lowe’s now violate the law every time it sells plumbing parts? These wipes look identical to rubber washers I was using last week to do some plumbing in my girlfriend’s house.

    • Creepy Uncle Tim Kaine

      Well, if you used some rubber washers in a manner where it makes the plumbing system a bit quieter (ex., reduces water hammer), well….

      It should have been performed by a FFL, I’d suppose, and, you’ll need to provide:

      Pay the $200 Transfer Tax to BATFE

      Wait for your paperwork to clear

      Fill out a ATF Form 4473

      Two (2) ATF FORM 4’s (ATF FORM 5320.4)

      Two (2) ATF FORM 5330.20’s Certification of Compliance with 18

      U.S.C 922(g)(5)(B) called “Citizen Certification” Forms

      Two (2) FBI Fingerprint Cards (FBI-258LE)

      This may be a bit of overkill, but it oughta do it!

      • Phillip Cooper

        No. I was repairing plumbing, not building a silencer.

  • Phil Cuff

    Ohmygawd, I am in possession of unlicensed silencer parts in every faucet in my house! I can probably find an equal number of rubber washers in my two cars. If it weren’t for the $200, I would ask BATFE to send me forms for my two bathrooms, my kitchen, and all the outdoor faucets. Just to be an ass about it.

    • Mr Evilwrench

      I think I’d better take the sound pressure level meter to my toilet and make sure my farts aren’t suppressed more than 3dB. Wouldn’t want to be in possession of illegal plumbing, now would I?

  • Reginald Pettifogger

    Further reason why “suppressors” need to be removed from NFA-34!

  • Reginald Pettifogger

    What about all the extra baffles I have for SuperTrapp Mufflers?
    I mean, they could be used for a suppressor on a 3″ gun, right?

  • Phillip Cooper

    Thank you! About time someone understands.

  • John

    But remember… under trump, everything is going to be WAAAY better! smh

  • AJ187

    Where’s Alex C. to tell me that that only an act of congress can change regulations on the firearm industry and not the BATF.

    • Cymond

      This is a reinterpretation of the law, not a new one made from thin air.

      Not a hard concept.

  • Donald Darr

    Once again “Big Brother” steps in and screws us! I only hope that the Hearing Protect Act becomes law and these suppressors are sold just like a regular firearm. ATF and their archaic rules need to be put out to pasture!

  • sonofamotherlessgoat

    I GUESS they never heard off 22 or 223 is quiet with the use of 3/4″ pvc pipe or freeze plugs
    coke bottles with Kleenex or the old fashion screen door material

    • frankspeak

      cotton, steel wool, cotton, steel wool, etc,etc…just don’t use dryer lint…almost burned the damn house down!…

  • Joseph Anthony

    Ok. And wipes are 70’s technology.. Even going back to the wellrod in .32 auto.. Moronic yes. Suprising no..

  • Vet for Trump

    What’s next? Fender Washers from Home Depot?
    And did they declare Expansion (Freeze) Plugs from NAPA to be “Silencer Parts”?

  • Jimbo

    They’re damn washers. I use them every single day in my job. How stupid are these people?

  • Core

    The BATFE just Derpa derped.. Who runs this organization?

  • Jamie Clemons

    I had to throw out all my baby wipes.

  • Eh no politics—

  • Fr33zy

    Contact your reps. We NEED to HPA to pass. Then we need to repeal the whole damn NFA. These morons have no clue.

  • Herschel Walker

    Next they are going to claim that water is a suppressor, and can only be purchased from registered manufacturers. BATFE needs to be refunded and eliminated.

  • Mark Apsolon

    When is the recall on plastic soda bottles and cotton! Also all washers are now silencer parts!!! This has to be in the top 15 dumbest things the ATF has done.

  • Lonesome Whistle

    “Unintended Consequences” by John Ross.
    Find it, read it.

  • Baggy270

    Be thankful you don’t live in Canada where the RCMP make any rules they want when it concerns firearms.

  • Tom_EE

    By what enumerated power in our Constitution does the ATF have the authority to have any control concerning silencers/supressors, or any firearms for that matter?

  • Wzrd

    I didn’t see anything about the adapter in your citation. Did I miss it?

    • Mike Domgard

      The ATF considers it a suppressor part just like the solvent traps in the above article.

  • Sianmink

    So if I have a C&R FFL, I can keep and replace wipes no problem?
    Why is this so stupid?

  • datimes

    Just watched Tim on MAC and he says only the manufacturer can change the wipe.

  • GOT12

    every home in america has silencer parts hidden in their water lines

  • Cymond

    Ok, so putting a home to allow a bullet to pass through is manufacturing a suppressor.

    Where does it say that threaded barrel + adapter (without a hole in the filter) is illegal?

    • Mike Domgard

      You can have an oil filter and threaded barrels. Can’t help Ann adapter that will fit your oil filter to a barrel. As far as solvent traps go if you are in possession of said solvent traps and threaded barrels that can thread on even without the hole, the ATF has determined that shows intent and you are in possession of silencer parts. that is why he can no longer sell them.

      • Cymond

        The text you quoted, and the page you linked, do not support your interpretation that “Can’t have an adapter that will fit your oil filter to a barrel.”

        In fact, he’s the rest of the quote you left off, from the website you cited.

        “The stated intent of a solvent trap is to catch and trap gun cleaning solvent during bore cleaning operations commonly performed on firearms. Solvent traps do attach to the muzzle of a firearm but do not have any design features intended to allow a bullet to pass through them. Since as originally manufactured they are not intended to silence, muffle or diminish the report of a portable firearm they are not silencers..”

        That quote is from the ATF. If you want anyone to believe your claims that contradict official ATF statements, then you need to provide a source.

        A source that actually says what you say, not one that contradicts you, like your last source.

  • frankspeak

    doesn’t seem to make much sense…unsure what their motivation is…

  • frankspeak

    yep!…gotta’ believe there’s some internal conflict going oh there;;;

  • cruzo1981

    ATF, Absolutely total fu <#tards!

  • Eric B.

    Once the NRA’s “Safe Hearing Act passes “this too will pass”.

    -> Let’s urge our Congressmen and Senators to support The Safe Hearing Act! No more NFA $200. tax, no more NFA Trust needed and NO MORE WAITING ON A BUREAUCRACY to release our NFA approval.

  • Stuart

    Here’s hoping the BATFEces unemployment rate skyrockets under President Trump.