BREAKING: Remington Laysoff Senior Directors And Management

Directors

Several sources have confirmed that the corporation has “released” several dozen employees, some of which hold high-ranking positions. Out of respect for the individuals named, TFB will only be releasing their general titles and departments.

The news isn’t exactly a surprise – following last week’s report of 120 layoffs at a New York manufacturing plant, everyone had the feeling that more changes were coming. Remington has also faced harsh, and mostly deserved, criticism in the past few years for failed product launches, quality control issues and completely basically ignoring some specialty divisions such as Advanced Armament.

In the end, someone is accountable for both the successes and the failures – an obvious conclusion that some companies never reach. However, the harder questions remain: does Remington have enough talent left to fix the problems they have and develop new firearms that people actually want to buy? Do they have the resources to hire new blood that will favor innovation over pure profitability?

Me personally, I’d settle for quality lever actions, bolt actions and pump shotguns that we all used to trust to work every time. Get back to basics of producing industry-standard guns and worry about rolling out the next big pistol sometime later in the future.

Remington Fires High-Level Directors and management:

  • Director (in Product Management)
  • Director (in Defense)
  • Senior VP (in Product Development)
  • Sr. Retail Specialist

We asked Remington Media Relations for a statement:

Earlier today we made the difficult decision to release 34 employees across ROC locations.

These changes, while difficult, are necessary to ensure the Company’s long-term success in a rapidly changing marketplace. We are assisting affected employees through severance packages and other benefits to facilitate their transition.

The small arms industry is facing significant near-term challenges related to slowing order velocity and high channel inventories; a dynamic from which Remington is not immune. After exploring all the options available to us, we were compelled to reduce our work force by releasing 122 team members Wednesday, March 8th from our Ilion, NY site. As we move forward, we will continue to monitor all segments of the business for growth opportunities.


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  • alex archuleta

    So what does this mean for AAC and by completely ignoring them has it affected AAC quality? I ask because I’m going through the process of buying my first can, an AAC M4-2000.

    • I can’t think of any reason why not to buy an AAC suppressor. The consequence of Remington buying AAC was that some talent left, Remington makes high quality firearms (ignoring that misstep with the R51)

      • Mike N.

        Their 51T mount is terrible.

        • Bob

          Mike, What’s wrong with AAC 51T muzzle breaks? I have 4 rifles with that flash/break style that I use with my AAC 762-SDN6. I have no issues/complaints.

      • TechnoTriticale

        re: (ignoring that misstep with the R51)

        That was really a tragic story, and with any luck, one that’s not over yet. Quality issues aside…

        Nice size, Pretty light. Low bore height. Light slide spring. Sports the caliber it should have had as the Model 51. (Had the 51 been available in full 9mm, it might have been a much bigger hit, perhaps even found some mil work.)

        I really like the idea of a grip safety on pistols. Much more intuitive than any thumb safety. I personally consider a “trigger safety” to be an oxymoron. If the gun can be fired by a lipstick tube in a purse, or a small flashlight in a backpack, it’s not a safety. Unsafe carry? Sure, but it happens.

        As I understand it, it was AAC that dug the m51 design out of the archives, because they wanted a rigid-barrel pistol as the basis of something integrally suppressed. The final product not only wasn’t that, it didn’t even get an option for an extended threaded barrel.

        It also didn’t get a rail [even as option], further limiting utility.

        I’d like to think that someone smarter than the current Rem management will eventually fully exploit the R51 opportunity. … HPA passes. Integral. In 10mm if not.45GAP.

        • ostiariusalpha

          Ugh, the R51. It was Para-Ordnance’s independent project before Remington bought them, and I blame Para a bit for some of the design flaws. They got rid of the good part of the original design, the linear trigger, and kept the inordinately fiddly breakdown procedure, with gripping the barrel so it can pointlessly coming off with the slide for you to try to dig out later, when they should have made the barrel truly fixed to the frame with a sane breakdown like a PPK or a Ruger SR22; I love John Pedersen’s design, but I’ll never understand why he made field stripping the pistol so complicated.

          They did plan on a suppressor-ready version, but everything went pear-shaped before that could happen.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/02a83dd77f089a13fa6a17474c0e9c85c3c6e39db89a169feb9439d0d9e075b1.jpg
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          • Henry C.

            The problem with the R51 is it was designed by John Pedersen. His designs have always been complex, and not easy to work on from a gunsmiths point of view. Case in point, I own my great grandfathers Remington Model 10 shotgun, which was designed by John Pedersen. I took it apart once, and I will never do that again.

          • Texas-Roll-Over

            You sir are incorrect, the R51 was a Remington product that was worked on by the Para-USA team after Remington acquired Para-USA.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Ha ha, oops! Yes, both you and TechnoTriticale are absolutely correct, it was initially an AAC project for a suppressor host pistol whose head engineer abandoned it after an argument with Remington management.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      Well if they have ignored it they havent had the chance to mess with it and screw it up…

      No I kid (at least mostly). I have no idea what that actually means for them.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Maybe I could have phrased that better. Most of the AAC made today, while still quality, are designs and models from 5+ years ago. In my opinion, Remington hasn’t done enough to support AAC’s growth.

      • alex archuleta

        I suppose I could have phrased better as well. I already paid for the AAC can after doing extensive research and am satisfied with what I bought (even though it’s not in my hands yet)
        The quality isn’t in doubt but my question is based more off of customer service?
        So your saying that quality hasn’t suffered but in the area of new research and designs Rem. hasn’t supported anything new?

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          The can you bought is a performer and you’ll be happy. Is it the latest/greatest? No, but who cares. You’ll be buying another one soon enough. 😉

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    All I want is a steady flow of reliable good quality 700s, 870s, 1894s, and 1895/336s. And I dont think Im the only one who has that same priority.

    Those are the things I go to Remington for. They are highly unlikely to covert me to their pistols and I build my ARs and thats about the extent of my gun variety.

    They will lose more money by building their core guns to a questionable standard than they will gain by expanding into new markets (especially with what theyve been putting out).

    • yukon cornelius

      I agree but i will say i have one of their 1911s and they did quite well with that one!

      • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

        Ok Id probably never own a Remington 1911 (Id go Rock Island, Springfield, or Sig depending on my budget) but Ill grant they seem to be pretty good. I have only shot a Rem 1911 once, but it was a pretty nice shooter and my friend who owns it says she really likes it, but she also says .45ACP is the end all defense round…

        • Henry C.

          Ruger 1911’s are very well built.

          • LGonDISQUS

            Ruger is like the missionary sex of 1911’s – perfectly good, but that ‘oomph’ just isn’t there. Their nickel plating is very nice, as are the SS metals they use.

          • Colonel K

            Oh great! Now I’ll never be able to look at my SR1911 again without that image in my head.

          • junkman

            I do not own a 1911, probably never will, but if I did the Ruger would be my one & only pick. The new 9mm version is interesting.

          • LGonDISQUS

            Oooh, fun-size does sound neat!

          • Rap Scallion

            Mine is flawless, twice the gun at half the price of the 1911 clones out there!

    • The_Champ

      Yep spot on. They really need to keep the quality up on those tried and tested models. They are all great guns and I’m sure there is still a large market for them.

      Also I want the Model 8 to come back in all original guise. I know it will never happen.

    • whamprod

      I couldn’t agree more. I have exactly the same priority. With Remington’s growing refusal to maintain quality, when it came time to buy a new pump action shotgun, I went with a Mossberg. I haven’t looked back. After getting hosed by AAC and Marlin, my next lever action will be Henry and my next suppressor will be some other brand. My next bolt rifle will be either a Savage or a Ruger. I have zero confidence left in what passes for Remington “quality”.

      • junkman

        A friend of mine was sure he was going to buy a Remington 870, until he picked it up. Went with a Winchester SX4, of which the front bead immediately fell off of. I’m sticking with Mossberg until Ruger finally brings out a pump or semi shotgun (they are working on it). Ironically he had the Mossy ordered & cancelled it.

  • Sense Offender

    Now all they need to do is leave NY and as far away from Cuomo’s and Blasio’s as possible.

  • Mark

    Rest in piss Remington.

  • Don Ward

    I guess laying them off is a kinder fate than feeding them to the jackals.

  • JimBobble

    “Order velocity?”

  • Blake

    I hope they axed the people responsible for transforming Marlin from one of the best firearms manufacturers in the country (as well as one of the best to work for) into a disastrous quality control nightmare.

    • Don Ward

      That debacle was particularly annoying. Not only couldn’t you get a quality Marlin lever action, but the vultures selling used ones suddenly thought theirs was now a collector’s item and were charging above retail.

      • Porty1119

        Prices have somewhat stabilized, but I can easily get a JM for $150-200 less than a new rifle. Laminate-stock 336Ws don’t count either.

        • dlh0

          Well, you may, but not from me. My marlins all have standing offers well north of retail remlins. I’m just not ready to sell them, yet.

      • Hoth

        “…selling used ones suddenly thought theirs was now a collector’s item and were charging above retail.”

        They were right to do so given what Marlin was putting out at the time. I was giving Marlin 3 to 4 years before they closed up permanently.

        • junkman

          ” vultures selling used ones suddenly thought theirs was now a collector’s item and were charging above retail.” Well, I was one of the vultures, made a tidy $200 profit & the new owner did not even quibble about the price, thought that it was fair. Seller’s market.

          • Rap Scallion

            But you can’t go back and get that Original Marlin Marlin! I have 6 of them and none of them are for sale…..I will give them away when I die!

      • whamprod

        I bought a Remlin 336BL a couple of months ago. It functions OK and it shoots OK, but the wood to metal fit is atrocious, and I had to fix the misaligned magazine tube which didn’t line up with the barrel. After getting it straightened, we realized that the screw holes in the forearm tip tenon weren’t straight and didn’t line up with the forearm tip any longer. So now, one of the screws looks like it has been cross-threaded, but it has not. The rifle looks like it was either never inspected before leaving the factory, or it was inspected by someone who doesn’t give a crap about their job. The laminated stock, which from a distance looks halfway decent, up close appears to have been made from layers of cheap plywood.

        The front sight bead does not actually standout at all. When you install the provided front sight hood, it not only makes it harder to see the bead, but the shape of the top of the hood is almost squared off instead of curved, so that there is very little daylight between the top of the bead and the underside of the hood. Whoever thought that design up clearly had his head in a dark and moist place. I ended up replacing the sights completely with a XS Sight Systems rail with included rear ghost ring sight and a front sight blade with a bright white ramp. I then mounted a Leupold 1.5-5×33 Scout Scope onto the rail.

        The main reason I bought a Marlin instead of a Henry was the side-loading gate, which seemed a more practical way to load the rifle to me. But in reality, the loading gate’s spring is so stiff that it is very difficult to actually push the gate aside enough to feed a cartridge into the magazine. You have to actually force it so hard that the lateral pressure against the bullet in the case neck can’t be any good for the cartridge…..and subsequent accuracy. At the range, while zeroing the iron sights and the scope I mounted, I have ended up loading singles through the ejection port instead. The loading gate is just TOO much trouble. Later, I bought a Henry .22LR Octagonal Barrel. I can pull the magazine tube, load 23 rounds, and close the tube on the Henry, faster than I can load 2 rounds into the Marlin. It’s ridiculous.

        This is not the first issue I’ve had with a Remington division product. I own an AAC 762-SDN-6 which I use on an AR with 5.56 and .300 Blk uppers. After about 200 rounds, the can shot a couple of its ratchet pieces into deep space, never to be seen again. I had to send it back to them for repair. I could have fixed it easily and in half the time if they would have just sent me the parts, but they wouldn’t do it. Later, when I bought another 51T AAC flashhider to mount that suppressor to a .308, the flashhider was out of spec, and would not mount the can. My son, who is a qualified machinist, mic’d the thing out compared to one that DID mount the can, and the OD of the toothed section was oversized by several thousandths and would not fit into the corresponding space in the can. When I called CS to see about getting the part swapped out for one that was in spec, I got a lot of attitude about it and an insistence that they don’t ship anything that is out of spec. The idiot told me that measurements we had obtained were within spec, but the only logical way that is possible is if (A) my can is out of spec, and (B) the other two flashhiders I had were out of spec. What a jackass. I had to send them the part, and was told that “the next time I talk to the machinist we use down the street, some time next week, I’ll have him verify that it is fine.” When they finally got around to sending me back a flashhider……..it was a new one. I’m not an idiot, but they talk to their customers like they are. Worst QC and CS ever! I sent a letter to Remington about their QC, explaining the problems I’d had with the AAC suppressor and flashhider, and with the Marlin rifle, and with the feckless attitude of their CS people, and told them that their reputation was suffering out there in the market and that they’d better get a handle on their QC and do it quick, or they would suffer in the market for it. I actually got a phone call from someone who defended their QC as “the finest”, yada yada yada.

        I wrote them off at that point. I’m done with Remington. I have a very nice model 700 that I like very much, but as far as I am concerned, they are not anywhere near the company they were back in 2007 when that rifle was manufactured.

    • Colonel K

      Your comment is timely. I just called Marlin (Remington) yesterday to replace a broken mag well in a brand new, unfired XT .22 rifle. They didn’t give me any grief about it and were very considerate. They are sending me a replacement part, but I’ve decided to get rid of the rifle and not stock them anymore. This rifle was designed and built to compete with the Savage MKII, but
      the Savage parts are all metal, and the mag well is sheet steel, far
      stronger and more robustly mounted than the Marlin. By contrast, the mag well of the Marlin is an inherent weakness in the design because it is made of thin, cheap plastic and mounted with a single screw and cross pin. It’s these kinds of shortcuts that make you feel disheartened by what has become of what was once (and could be again) a fine company.

      • Blake

        I advise people looking for a good inexpensive 22LR to get either a Henry levergun, a Ruger 10/22 semi-auto, or a used pre-2007 Marlin 39 (we have multiple examples of all 3 :-).

        • Colonel K

          They used to be. In fact, if they’d just replace the cheap plastic magazine well with a meta one and use to 1/4″ machine screws to secure it in place the way Savage does, I’d recommend it.

        • jcitizen

          I’m a believer in Savage – all my friends and I have experienced the best quality and accuracy with their rifles. My buddies have bought just about every brand, and always come back to Savage – they used to be Remingtion 788 fans, but no more.

    • supergun

      And the author was worried about rifles and shotguns?

    • JCPerry

      I also hope the jerks that who decided to offer loyal customers a fraction of the value for their 597 (17HMR) get the boot, too. I have several Remington rifles & shotguns but, I won’t buy another! You can’t treat your customers like that and expect them to come back for more.

    • Rap Scallion

      Well the new broom does not always sweep clean does it! Marlin and H&R both got the knife in the back to roll out new POS Remingtons……SHAME ON YOU!

    • Budogunner

      Remington has been on my boycott list aince I got to see how their management de-throwned AAC from #1 in the Silencer industry. I’m glad to see some accountability, finally.

  • Big Daddy

    Move their plant out of NY, less tax, less overhead and tax breaks. Hire veterans, new blood with firearms experience, get rid of corporate slugs. Start producing their well known and loved firearms from the past, improve QC and do not worry about the latest and greatest right now as you said in the article. That would be a good start and renew the faith of the knowledgeable gun buying consumers.

    • Dan

      I would love for all the major companies to produce if in limited numbers firearms they have produced over the years. I realize that it would be financially stupid but it would be nice to have a chance to own a few that i never had the chance to purchased but fell in love with when i handled/fired in the past.

    • Frank

      Hard to improve quality when that NY factory has their best workers.

      • Gaffer

        I can guarantee you that is not the case.
        A nepotism-riddle union shop in the middle of the Empire state? Yeah, they’re the “best workers” in the same way that the union guys that helped run Detroit into the ground were the “best workers”.

        • junkman

          Seems to be another example of unions helping to ruin a company. It would hurt, I think Remington employs 1 out of 3 people there, but move to a GUN FRIENDLY southern state with NO UNION. Unions should be abolished as an out of date no longer needed item.

          • Rap Scallion

            Either you are preaching to the choir or all the screaming is falling on deaf ears! The sucessful companies listen and move into the mainstream of labor and manufacturing! ASK Ruger, or some of the other companies who are moving to SD and TX!

          • junkman

            Ruger put their 3rd plant in Mayodan, NC in the fall of 2013.The American Rimfire, some American centerfire, all AR556, all SR762, the SR22 Pistol, the original version of the LCR & Shop Ruger are located there. It is also their main call center Lots going on there, no layoffs so far, nine hour shifts. Just know people who work there.

          • Tp

            !00% CORRECT, Unions were needed, and did allot of good in their time, but new Gov. laws made them obsolete, then they turned into all about money, and power for their leaders, not their people. This has been going on forever now, time to abolish them all for the sake of the people, companies, and customers, that alone will help turn America back around.

      • john huscio

        Yeah and colt had a “talented” union workforce as well……..who were a huge factor in the destruction of that company…….

        • Rap Scallion

          Unions and the state killed Colt, not the product or management!

  • yukon cornelius

    I want to see big green do well. Hopefully they can get thier q.c. lined out and possibly just get back to their basics(700, 870, 1100, leverguns) and get back on track. Its bad for the community to see recall after recall. Savage was in the same boat years ago.

    • ALL MUST BOW AT THE ALTAR OF THE DARK LORD DEMING

      • I’m reading his book “New Economics” now. Great timing.

      • John T. MacF. Mood

        “You don’t know the power of the Dark Side!” – Darth Deming

      • VT Patriot

        As a former (now retired) QC expert (MS in metrology), Deming introduced statistical QC management.
        IT WORKED and still does today, but takes money to do. So folks just drop it now, and run with an “acceptable # of defects”. That is an unsustainable QC philosophy. Rem is the perfect example.

        • Hello VT,
          It’s amazing that people still don’t know how important metrology is in MFG, but it actually is not as expensive to do as one may think. Getting rid of X BAR charts is one, especially for circular components.
          Who gives an M.S in metrology?

  • Isa Akhbar

    I “had it” with Big Green years ago…they’ve been stumbling from one colossal blunder to the next for at least a decade. Quality control issues, products launched and immediately abandoned (ala .30 Rem AR), and on and on. Buy Savage. Beautiful guns and workmanship.

  • Gregory Markle

    I have disagree with the statement that Remington “ignored” AAC, I don’t think they could have paid more attention to actively getting rid of everyone and everything that the AAC brand was built. They bought was undeniably the hottest suppressor company in the business (I wasn’t a fan but they were what they were) and applied an “if it isn’t broken, fix it until it is” mentality. Not paying attention to AAC would have been a better idea.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      I think we are saying the same things, just in different ways. I agree with you.

      • Gregory Markle

        I can see that. You can look at it from the standpoint that they ignored what actually made AAC an valuable asset, they ignored AAC’s customer base, and they ignored the employees who made AAC what it was.

        • Spencerhut

          Freedom Group is destroying everything it touches. Are they being financed by George Soros?

          • Dan

            Would be a very effective way to achieve his dream. If he can’t get it done politically then just buy the company and kill it from within.

          • J.T.

            No. The people who run Freedom Group and its parent Cerberus Capital are not fans of his, they just suck at managing companies.

          • Rap Scallion

            Do any of “them” shoot or even hunt with these guns they make???????

    • RSG

      More importantly, AAC were the creators of the modern 300blk cartridge, as well as the finest AR’s purpose built to shoot it. That after acquiring AAC, Remington couldn’t capitalize on the explosive growth of this caliber, shows complete incompetence on their part.

      • Gregory Markle

        Change creators to “made minor modifications to .300 Whisper and established it as a SAAMI standard under the name .300 Blackout” and I totally agree.

        • Ehtacs

          And .300 whisper was a necked down .221 Remington Fireball or .223 Remington which, by the transitive property, means Remington is like the original designer of .300 BLK and failing to capitalize on their own legacy!

          Damn no matter how you spin it, Remington did not do well.

          • Hoth

            Remington is great at failing to support their own creations.

          • LilWolfy

            .300 Whisper is necked up, not down. I think you meant that.

        • Dave

          The 300 Whisper has been around for about 25 years that I am aware of. We were making dies for it in the early 90’s. All AAC did was trim .040″ off the length & rename it.

  • Scott Wagner

    Since apparently the mods didn’t like my first post:

    ” Out of respect for the individuals named, TFB will only be releasing their general titles and departments.”

    TFB does the firearms community a disservice by not releasing the names. If these are the people that brought the big green giant low, then they need to be outed as the incompetent schmucks that they are. You want to know why Sig quality fell a few years ago? Because the guys that messed up Kimber all left for Sig and nobody thought to throw up a warning flag on them.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      I see your point, but we don’t know the whole story. Were these people put in a position to fail? Are these the actual people that failed?

      We have only one data point (their release) to work with. In the weeks to come, it will be easy enough to find who was let go if someone is so inclined.

      • Scott Wagner

        In other words: We don’t actually have any news. We don’t know if Remington is trying to clean house and actually work or if they’re spiraling the drain even faster. If you have names, why not reach out and find out? Hell, take a look at their linkedin profiles and see if they were just put in that position or if they’ve been there forever. It’s a small industry. Someone knows something.

        And hell, if they’re the fall guys, say so.

        • It really doesn’t do the firearms industry a disservice by not naming names.
          We spent hours today working on this. I know the names of those fired but it really serves no purpose in adding to the hell of a bad day they have already had by not only publishing names but giving all the Linkedin information. Some of those fired have been there a short few years. A small number had been there for awhile.
          To answer your question they are trying to make things better and improve the company. A little over a year ago I was in a meeting with the then new CEO and his intention was to get back to basic sound business practices as well as work on the core products that have been proven sellers for many years.

          • Scott Wagner

            There you go. A couple of sentences that change the entire tone of the article. The article as written makes it sound like these were the guys that were responsible for the failures at Remington, hence my initial reaction. The minuscule amount of information you provided there changes the tone.

            And sure, if they’re not at fault, then no need to release their info, but again, when you provide *nothing*, that doesn’t help anyone (and I’m not saying release everything. The Linkedin and industry stuff was in response to the ‘one data point’ claim. There’s never one data point, and if there was you wouldn’t have taken hours to write this.

          • Lets just say some were not contributing.

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          Points taken. I just didn’t feel good about releasing personal information. From the limited second hand information I have, it sounds like some were responsible and some were “fall guys”. Thanks.

      • Pete I appreciate the article, and your discretion. Sure, I’d love to know exactly who is responsible for some of the HUGE failures at Remington so we and the industry can encourage them to move out of the firearms industry. However, in big layoffs like this there are always collateral losses – people who did their jobs but their particular section suffered. Sometimes a bad boss causes good employees to lose jobs too.

        Not to mention that some of the large reduction is from an industry-wide reduction in demand. Remington is not the only manufacturer looking at downsizing as demand has taken a significant downturn.

        • junkman

          Overall demand has not taken a significant downturn, look at recent NICS checks compared to history; 3rd highest. Companies that botch QC & don’t listen to customer demand start to fail. As an example of how to do it right, look to Ruger. They have the ‘voice of the consumer’ link to give them ideas directly of what people are looking for (realizing that not everything is possible). I know people at Ruger & QC never takes a back seat. I like Remington & hate to see this happen, but I have become a Ruger ‘super owner’ & don’t regret it for a moment.

    • junkman

      These incompetent managers do need to be called out so that they become permanently unemployable (probably wouldn’t even make good burger flippers) so that their path of destruction is halted.

  • Walter E. Kurtz

    The firearms business is challenging but that is also true of many other businesses. Onerous regulations, changing market tastes, increased competition, changes in federal policies and technological advances are all challenging American industry. Nevertheless, as others have mentioned, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realize what Remington (and Colt and others) should be doing: 1) move to low-tax, non-union and friendlier states, 2) focus on re-energizing your great brands and your best products, and 3) offer value priced products…but also move upscale. Remington should own the high-end Model 700 market; instead they’ve allowed a myriad of custom shops to eat their lunch. The 870 should be a thing of beauty, not a cost-cutting utilitarian shotgun trying to compete with Mossberg and cheap imports. Quality should be the name of the game….not low cost.

    The list of fairly obvious fixes can continue…none of it is complicated. I don’t understand why the biggest names in the industry seem incapable of changing and becoming more agile. Gun owners have pretty simple tastes and tend to be loyal. Treat them well, produce good stuff and they will continue to buy your products.

    I’d hate to see such venerable names go belly up. The horror….the horror…

  • Kira Pounds

    I have worked for Remington in the past. If they learn to quit ending the duties of the ones that actually work their butt off and instead of being racist or having their favorite picks, they will have better quality in work and supplies. They let me go because my daughter was seriously injured and we were back and forth the the hospital 2 weeks straight and they even told me that I was a hard worker and I enjoyed my job. They ended my duties after I kept reporting to my supervisor everyday and he told me that I wasn’t going to lose my job and another supervisor, that was a different race, went and told the staffing lady to end my duties. I was livid. It wasn’t fair because I actually care about my job and enjoyed it. But they want to hang on to those that don’t even care about their job and then they end up with poor quality and that’s why nobody wants to purchase their ammo or guns because the lazy ones are careless in their work and get rid of the ones who actually care about their work.

    • Gerbs

      So… because you see everything through a racist lens, you just assumed the other “different race” guy was as racist as you apparently are?

      You may be right about the work ethic of the folks at Remington, I don’t know, but you are most definitely also a Racist.

      • FRANK

        It happens quite frequently where a supervisor of one race will ride an employee of a different race to get rid of them. It happens in all races and doesn’t mean the victim of the mistreatment mentioned is racist.
        I had a friend worked for one of the largest shipping companies in the US. He is one of the easiest guys to get along with, friendly and will help anyone.
        He got transferred to a different shift where there was a guy of a different race who started riding his ass because he was the wrong color. This employee had been fired twice for attacking other employees but the union got his job back. One day my friend was eating lunch listening to the radio this guy comes across the lunch table and the fight was on.
        The company fired both of them. The union told my friend who was attacked if they got his job back they would have to get the attackers job back too.
        So according to you everyone is a racist that is mistreated by someone that’s a different color.
        If you notice it is usually the case when someone starts crying someone else is a racist the real racist is that person themselve.
        And for the record I don’t know Kira I just think your wrong calling a person a racist simply because they were mistreated by a person of a different race. You don’t know the motivations of the supervisor who got him fired.
        Calling someone a racist is a serious charge.

        • Gerbs

          Thats great… but saying “racism exists” is not a substitute for ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF RACISM, of which none has been given here.

          There is no evidence of mistreatment, Kira simply didn’t get the results that they wanted so (he) threw up his hands and said “Must be racism!”

          • FRANK

            Part of the problem with racism is being blind to it when it occurs no matter what race it is.
            The incidents described above are the very definition of racism.
            Racism – noun
            Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.

            In the example I gave of the employees of the shipping company the employee that was always jumping on employees of another race constantly belittled people of a different color and before attacking by friend made several comments about his race
            Whether a person actually says it out loud a person’s actions toward a person speaks racism also as in Kira’S example. The supervis or of a different race used their position as a supervisor to harm an employee based on race.
            It is our responsibility to recognize racism from any nationality and speak out against it.

          • Gerbs

            The incident described above was of somebody being let go because they hadn’t showed up to work for a couple weeks.

            The writer SPECULATED that it was racist, but provided ZERO EVIDENCE to support that claim.

            I’m not blind to racism. Just because someone yells “racism” doesn’t mean its actually there. There needs to be this thing we call EVIDENCE, and so far there is none.

    • BigR

      Something is rotten in Denmark! I smell a rat!

  • gunsandrockets

    How bad does management have to be to screw up the bottom line considering the kind of hyped up market climate of the past 9 years?

  • John

    Well, Brother Heckler and Brother Koch are looking for some new people…

    • BigR

      I doubt H & K would want to hire ex Remington employees!!!! H & K are proud of the quality of their products!!!!!

      • Gerbs

        See: G36 gets dumped by the german goverment for quality issues. 😛

  • Spencerhut

    I totally unload on the “Product Manager” at the pistol counter with the R51. He had a broken gun out on display. I showed him it had a broken trigger and he denied it 2-3 times until I made him pull the trigger. He finally admitted it was broken and put it back out for display. I about lost my mind on him.

    Remington, Freedom Group, who is paying you people to destroy these once honored brands?

  • Bob

    I worked for a big box sporting goods retailer for a decade in their gun department. It was before and after Remington’s sale and acquisition of Marlin. I watched the quality issues of both increase, especially Marlin. It was hard to recommend either product to customers. We had a lot of returns. During that same period we had Remington’s ex-CEO become our CEO. Now that “big box” is in trouble.

  • Geoff Timm

    Looks like Scapegoating no change at the top. Same-o Same-o. Geoff Who would recommend the Red Chinese method of correcting quality control problems, cross reference the infamous refrigerator fail.

    • Gerbs

      Well they have a new CEO, and a bunch of new VPs and Directors… what exactly do you think is the “Top” if not them?

  • Carlos Velazquez

    The Magpul Masada had so much potential until it became a Bushmaster ACR.

  • Bigg Bunyon

    Any company that doesn’t recognize the transient nature of sales, fails to understand their customer’s core buying habits and motivations and has no plan to deal with a rapidly changing market is doomed. Did Remington just believe the boom is sales would go on indefinitely? I’d bet money the sales figures that got these people fired were the exact sales numbers a few years ago that got them hailed as heroes. The difference being a downward trend versus an upward trend. Hence the need to understand your customer’s core buying habits and motivations.

    • Gerbs

      I think they did realize the transient nature of sales – that’s why they laid people off.

      You seem to think that you can “plan around” a 30% drop in sales across the industry. Reality doesn’t work that way.

      A lot of smaller companies try the “we won’t cut anybody approach”, and go out of business in the attempt. The larger businesses know that you have to significantly cut costs BEFORE the well runs completely dry.

      It seems like that’s what happened here.

  • john huscio

    Don’t continously roll out complete crap to the public and this wouldn’t happen…..

  • Jesse

    Hopefully they got rid of the people responsible for getting the majority of the pistol parts from Korea, their shotgun parts from China, and their small parts from India. I have to laugh every time I come on here and remind people that the majority of gun manufacturers, especially the ones with QC problems, ditched their local manufacturing and domestic vendors long ago. Remington, and many others, may be assembled in NY but it’s far from “Made in the USA” The majority of the historic gun brands have been gutted from the inside by the bean counters and share holders. Hopefully the post election cooling of the industry will result in a reboot that cuts out that cancer. Hopefully the race to the bottom is over.

    • VT Patriot

      Such a shame. I’m sorry i sold my BEAUTIFUL rem semi-auto 22 a few years ago. It was so nice, that I never wanted to take it out of the house for fear of scratching or denting it. Bought it in 1987.

      My GF (of 16 years) Mom and Dad both worked for Rem in B’port, CT. She in QC (ammo) during WW11, and he in ballistics. He worked at Rem before WW11, and returned there after the war. He became manager of the balistics lab from which he retired, Rem B’port is now just some deserted buildings, covered with grafiti, and overgrown weeds and trees. I still have the Rem 41T that he owned and used as part of the Rem shooting club. As a kid, driving thru B’port, I was always thrilled to see the very busy company with the huge ‘shot tower’ as a landmark.

      They were both so proud to be associated with Remington. In my own life, I wound up as the NE regional mgr. of the largest mfg of hign end QC devices and custom measuring machines. As such, we did much work for the ‘other Ct gun makers’ like Colt, Mossberg, Marlin etc. High end stuff like CMM’s etc. But Rem had already virtually closed B’port as well as Winchester. As time went on, I watched the ‘aquisition’ of these beautiful and successful historic old companies by ‘groups’ that thould they’d bought the goose that laid the golden eggs. Then proceeded to milk them dry and wonder ‘what happened’? Never thinking that they had to feed and care for, and about the goose.

      I am truly disgusted with the management of Remington and their parent families. To destroy a fantastic old company (incl Marlin) and then stand back and blame the market.

      Nope dummies, you destroyed your market.
      The market was, and is, quality arms that functioned, out of the box. You decided the market is ‘quantity, more quantity, still more quantity’. Quality?? Eh, don’t worry, we have ‘quantity’.

      9 innings later, you find you’re score is “0”. Lets see who we can blame. Maybe it’s the Russians.

      • junkman

        “Nope dummies, you destroyed your market.” How very true. And I don’t want a Winchester made in Japan (absolute firearms hating country) or Turkey (feel like I’m contributing my $ to terrorists). From what i read CT looked at Winchester as the tax cash cow to the extent that Winchester tore the buildings down & moved.

        • Oh Japan likes gun shows but can’t have any. Gun otaku exists. I took our Japanese students at my local university out shooting, they all loved it and bragged to their friends

      • BigR

        VT, I wish I had said that!!!!!

    • junkman

      Again, look to Ruger: 100% AMERICAN MADE down to the Raw Materials; absolute refusal to cut QC & outsource outside of the U.S. And I like Henry’s statement: Made In America or Not Made At All. Both of these companies are famous for their QC & CS. Guess who gets my business?

    • Baggy270

      Jesse, My Chinese Norinco’s work flawlessly sorry. I have 2 AR’s, 2 1911’s and a Sig 228 clone….as well as about 35 other made in America, Czechoslovakia, Canada and UK firearms.

  • Stephen Paraski

    Rem has been getting sued over triggers since late 70s. Nothing has changed.

  • talonbug

    Remington is welcome in Texas if they promise to leave their liberal minded workforce in New York . Why haven’t they developed a 22 wmr simi-auto pistol ? Kel-Tec did and if you are lucky enough to find one you will pay $100 above retail . This is the kind of guns sportsmen want not some exotic caliber or gun that is unproven . I own many Remington rifles and shotguns and I am happy with these , but to stay with the basics I am going to look for other manufacturers instead of Remington .

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    • JOHN MASTROMARCHI

      I am holding out for the Gander Going Out ot Business Sale.
      Cancelled a $300 on line order a month ago because of their fine print exclusions.

  • FRANK

    Last year I submitted a rebate in the amount of $400 which still had not been paid in 6 months after submitting it. Remington customer care lied to me repeatedly about when the check would be issued. I finally had to give them the choose of small claims court or paying the rebate.
    I contacted Remingtons parent company, The Freedom Grouo and explained my concerns about how I was treated at Remington. Freedom Group informed me if I wrote a letter to them I would definitely get a response. I wrote a detailed letter
    listing all the dates and times I had contacted Remington and how I had been lied to. Freedom G

  • John T. MacF. Mood

    First Colt, now Remington. The old reliable (mostly) original manufacturers are going away. Stick around. It’s going to get interesting. Though Remington’s REPEATED rifle recalls on the Model 700 have been appalling. I sold mine. Had they spent the (literally) $0.50
    FIFTY CENTS recommended by the designer of the original trigger assembly, they might not have gotten in so deep on settlements due to “accidental” (negligent on Remington’s part) on injury and death settlements.

    Springfield Armory is doing OK as of last report, and Kimber is doing “Brisk” sales. Buy American!

    • junkman

      Car companies would kill their mother to save 25 cents on a component, and have killed many for a ‘just a few cents’. The bean counters of many companies should be tried for murder or at least manslaughter. Let’s see, 25 cents times 10 million is 2.5 million dollars; yea, mom is expendable.

  • ToddB

    I know some want to blame liberals or laws in NY, but I did not know NY passed a law saying they have to sell junk. Its not unions who did it. Its just Wall Street thinking, they do it with everything. All people like that care about is the numbers. How can they make a little more money off a product, quality is never really a consideration. The legendary brand of Gibson guitars, Wall Street guy took over. First thing he did was get rid of anybody who knew what they were doing, the people being paid decent money. Same thing that happened when Remington took over Marlin, labor costs money. Unfortunately they are also the people who know how to build guns. I doubt they sit in a boardroom somewhere saying well lets sell junk. Thats just the end result of cutting corners to make more money. Quality control costs money. So an easy corner to cut. They cant have anybody making basic checks if guns are being sold with parts obviously falling off. They have the math worked out, 20% failure is acceptable. Out of that 20% they ignore you knowing some will opt to just pawn it off on somebody else vs deal with them. So eventually they have to fix say half of them, somehow the math works out for them. Well for a while, Remington will eventually get a reputation like Century. Where the only ones who buy their stuff are people who don’t know any better. Century as bad as they were at times, is still in business, there’s always a new buyer to screw over. .

  • LilWolfy

    If you compare Remington’s corporate structure and market presence in 2017 to companies like Sig or CZ, you see that Remington is not being very aggressive, responsive, or proactive to the expanding market like these other companies I mentioned.

    With Sig and CZ, you see excitement, tons of new products that people actually like, with everything from popular legacy rifles and pistols, to modern advancements in modular carbines, optics, and emerging technologies.

    Sig Kilo LRF
    Sig scopes
    Sig MCX
    Sig MPX
    Sig pistols including US Army contract
    Sig Suppressors
    Sig electronic micro optics including thermals and spotting scopes

    CZ bolt guns from rimfire to magnums, Micro Mausers in 6.5 Grendel, suppressor-ready 527 American
    Bren 805 Carbines and pistols
    CZ Scorpion Pistol Caliber Carbines and pistols
    CZ P-10 pistols
    CZ shotguns

    What do you see from Remington?
    R-51
    Ball dropped on AAC suppressors big time
    Ball dropped on ACR
    Ball dropped on winning US Army CSASS
    Unacceptable QC on production ammunition
    Rem 700 trigger recall SNAFU
    Failed marketing of small frame .308 AR rifles
    Same old presentation and atmosphere at SHOT booth

    I have no connections with CZ or Sig, don’t even own any of their products. I’m just making dispassionate market observations about what I see as a long-time student of this industry. At SHOT and in the actual marketplace, I am seeing all kinds of excitement with these 2 big companies, and none for or from Remington. They are in bad need of change at the top, and probably somewhere in production management/QC as well.

  • supergun

    A good finish product is all anyone wants. When that is not accomplished, then you will go out of business. A restaurant survives on good food. Once food is serve that does not taste good, people will stop coming.

  • disqus_Cc20uRF6eN

    FINALLY a company that lets the FATCATS at the top go first. Been making great guns for past 2oo years….just FOLLOW THE RECIPE

  • John

    I’ve had my arguments with Remington representatives that I saw at gun shows over 25 years ago. I can’t believe that Remington is so stupid that they think the only thing a firearm is good for is “huntin”. How many deer rifles does a hunter need? What really is the difference between a .30-06, .280, or .270 when it comes to killing a deer? I was told by the representatives that to offer two different lengths of varmint barrels was too much of a tooling cost. The difference is that the one they wanted to sell couldn’t be used for metallic silhouette shooting because of the weight, Target shooters wear out barrels in a year, whereas hunters give their “like new” guns to the grandchildren, no new sales necessary. Guns will continue in this country as long as we have good clubs offering lots of different types of competitive events, requiring different types of firearms. Hunting is too seasonal and too sparse. Sport shooting can be like bowling and playing golf. Remington left their Custom Shop fall apart. Meanwhile, there are now many gunsmith shops that are charging high prices to offer equipment that a good Remington management should have seen was in demand.

  • DunRanull

    Too bad about Remington and Marlin.. both once prime examples of solid American-made quality arms. I suppose the void will be filled by imported guns- I’m glad I’ve “got mine” but feel badly for the upcoming generations…

    • junkman

      No imported guns for me, no matter if they might be good or not.

  • cp124patriot

    The problem in manufacturing today is that they are owned by investment groups and run by accountants, mba’s, and over educated hacks that couldn’t make two pieces of toast. The entrepreneurs and engineers are gone or babysitting their ill-equipped workforce that came from public schools that don’t teach anything but social left wing crap. I have been been in manufacturing for 40 years, see it every day and I am afraid our re-entry in to creating real wealth may be 20 years too late. I hope I am wrong.

    • Iwasthere

      “engineers are gone or babysitting their ill-equipped workforce”

      You have no idea how right you are.

  • [email protected]

    Sounds like General Motors executives trimming the staff to avoid paying pension packages and other perks to preserve corporate cash! It also reminds one of why corps. move out of the country to avoid the high taxes and other maneuvering of the parts industries. I wonder if the “cuts” were based on age or other tangible facts? The Scoad

  • junkman

    North Carolina.

  • Big Al

    I had been in sales and marketing for a tangentially competing company when I made an appointment to speak with Remington management at SHOT about 7 years ago. (I could dig up the names of the people I spoke with but it was VP and director level. Don’t care that much now.) After about 10 minutes of discussion it became apparent to me that these people were very uninformed about the gun business. I knew 2 things right then: 1. I would not move across the country to work with these people. 2. It would just be a matter of time before the Remington brand would be demolished.

    Marlin, AAC, the 51 debacle, QC issues etc taken individually can be fixed relatively quickly. What will take years for competent leaders to accomplish is restoring the Remington brand.

  • MidwayBill

    I purchased a Para 1911 several years ago before Remington acquired that firm. Now it’s as if Para has disappeared off the planet. I haven’t seen a new one in any stores for quite some time. It’s curious why Remington would purchase Para when they started making their own 1911 before the acquisition.
    Last year I bought a new M700 laminate varmint 223. It was OK but after the first shots and an in depth look at it, it was obvious it need a bit of work to accurize it. A high point in the barrel channel was putting pressure on the barrel near the front swivel stud, and the action needed glass bedding to correct a sloppy inlet job. Now it shoots splendidly, but I’m thinking no more Remingtons on my shopping list. They have a journey ahead of them to get back to producing quality firearms.

  • Eric B.

    Remington won’t even admit to having dangerous triggers on their 700 models. How can we expect them to have the corporate smarts to make really GOOD new designs. Even their Precision Sniper Rifle was a Canadian CADEX designed chassis, as was the XM2010 version for the recycled receivers from the M24 sniper rifle.

    So Ruger now seems to be the dominate civilian small arms company in the US and their growth is the result of really well designed new products like my 6.5 Creedmore Ruger Precision Rifle and the LC line of pistols.
    Remington tried to make an “entry level” bolt action rifle and it flopped. Their 9 mm pistol took two tries to get it right.
    “Heads will roll.”

  • 1inidaho

    First Colt, now this. Companies had better understand that a saturated marketplace demands the best at a competitive price.

  • Hyok Kim

    How would this affect V3 shotgun? I am waiting for combat version.

  • jimmyjet

    So you’d settle for a quality lever action? So, you’re one in a million because nobody else wants lever actions anymore. So get lost.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Jokes on you. I have a map and GPS. So I can’t get lost!

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Well, my RM380 is flawless and nicer to shoot than my LCP, which was my mini cc firearm, prior to owning the RM380.

  • Thinker-1

    When times are tough, the directors and vps should be the first to go. The workers did not make the decisions that ran the company into the ditch. Besides, it reduces costs much more than firing bunches of low-paid people.

  • Thinker-1

    The ones doing the firing are the real villains here. They get rid of those telling the truth, then the higher paid workers, then those making improvements. The ones fired are very rarely at fault.

  • T Rex

    I just wonder if the heads that rolled in upper management at Remington belonged to those actually responsible for the multitude of failures ranging from the R51 debacle to the inexplicable lapses in quality control across all models of firearms produced by Big Green over the last several years, the 870 being a prime example. This belated purge might be too little too late.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    No surprise there. Remington went from the best guns money can buy to a literal laughing stock in under a decade. Every other company they’ve bought has suffered the same fate.
    Why? Because incompetent management and a lazy workforce.
    What they did to Marlin was criminal. The people involved in making them after should have been shot. There is absolutely no reason to put out the shoddy products that they were.
    They turned AAC from one of the best suppressor companies into a mediocre one.

    The R51, the relauch of R51, and the RP line? There is absolutely no excuse for those firearms to make it to the general public. They knew it was shoddy and released it anyways.

  • Eric Jackson

    Good. Somewhere between the holding company and the management of Remington, a national icon was turned into a sad disgrace. It’s about time the market corrected itself.