Pistol Caliber Carbine Effective At Distance


Haley Strategic shows a pistol caliber SMG can get combat effective hits out to 300 yards. The 300 yard hits are a bit of a stretch but it can be done.

Here is a screen capture of his hits using a 25 yard zero. 50 yards is a couple inches high and the 100 yard hits are opening up but close to the 25 yard zero.

 

At 200 yards there is a 24″ drop in hits. James points out that those hits would be in the pelvic region assuming you did not adjust your POA. Which is still combat effective.

300 yards was a little bit different. With this particular gun and ammo combination, he had to hold over by about 10 feet to get hits on target.

Have any of our readers used a pistol caliber carbine out to distance?





Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • BG

    When I was 19, I did a guy in Laos from 1000 yards out. Maybe eight or even ten guys in the world could have made that shot. It’s the only thing I was ever good at. Plus, I can shoot smiley faces on silhouette targets with my 9mm Beretta.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      I like you. We can be friends.

    • Phillip Cooper

      Watched that last weekend….

    • Dougscamo

      You sleep with that thing?….I’ll leave the rest for someone else to complete 😀

  • Phillip Cooper

    This is now on the front page no less than 3 times. Are you guys so desperate for content you’ll just post the same article multiple times? It’s been happening a lot lately.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      There is a bug that we are trying to work out. I can assure you that we are not hurting for content.

  • EzGoingKev

    How do you arrive at your premise of the 9mm being combat effective at 300 yards?

    • JoelC

      repeatable hits can be made, and it hurts.

      • Madcap_Magician

        I’m sure it does, but I kind of doubt the former part. Sure, if you’re a paper target standing still. But if you’re moving at all, I doubt a pistol-caliber carbine’s effectiveness at that range is poor, even if you’re a professional shooter or trainer like Haley.

        • Mark S

          It’s ‘combat effective’ if it makes them take cover while you withdraw. I don’t think he’s telling anyone that your 9mm is a go to 300 yd weapon, just that it can reach out that far if you have to. If it’s all you have (or all you have on you) it’s not a bad idea to think about how to employ it at maximum range.

  • J-

    When I lived in Chicago, I was bound by their AWB. I was able to buy a Beretta CX4 carbine because it managed to skirt the AWB by enough where it was legal with a 10 round mag. I outfitted mine with an older EOTech and zeroed it at in indoor range at 25 yards with 115 gr 9mm +p.

    I manged to get it out to a range in Wisconsin for some extended shooting. My trajectory was similar to this test, maybe a little flatter beacuse of the longer barrel and +p load. It was about 2 in high at 50, 1 in high at 100, dead on at 125, and 1.5 low at 150. That was the furthest the range went. I figured in a SHTF situation I had a 150 yard gun. Close in, I was probably getting .357 mag energy with the 16 inch barrel. At 100 yds, I’d guess about as much as a 38 special.

    Not nearly as good as a center fire rifle, but it was the best I could do with a semi-auto.

    If I needed more punch at distance, I could use my Marlin 30-30 or 308 Rem 700.

    • Mark S

      I’ve got a 10″ Colt, with +p I’m on at 25 and 100 (maybe .5 high, tough to tell with my ‘groups’). That’s as much range as I had to use, but I think the ballistics chart put me 3 low at 150 and 15ish low at 200. Probably should go rerun it and tape it to the gun. Not that I’d ever want to engage at that range if I didn’t have to.

  • Arie Heath

    I’ve made hits at 300 with an M1 Carbine, but I’m not good enough of a shot to do it consistently.

  • Eric L.

    Far be it from me to disagree with the deific Haley Inc., but I do believe there is a reason there isn’t any velocities associated with this article. The ability to push through paper at 300 yards is not the same as maintaining enough velocity for reliable terminal effects.