OPINION: Brass To Face Is NOT A Malfunction

Like it or not, Brass To Face or BTF malfunctions are not a thing. Sure, it is an annoying thing to happen when you are at the range but it is far from a malfunction. I am not going to dive into the reason for the brass to be ejected towards the face, there are tons of videos and posts all over the internet that dive into this so-called malfunction.

Sure, there are those that feel that a piece of hot brass hurtling towards their face in a self-defense situation is dangerous and could blind you. I guess that is a concern. I counter that if you are using your gun in a self-defense situation, the last thing I care about is being bonked in the face by some warm brass. Don’t care if it burns me, don’t care if it sticks to my eye even, I just care that the brass is out of the gun and a fresh cartridge is loaded into the chamber so that I can stop the threat. Not that I want brass stuck to my eye, but if I need a gun in a defensive situation that is preferable to whatever might await me should my gun actually fail.

In my humble opinion, brass to face “malfunctions” are just another thing for people to gripe about. It is in no way an actual malfunction since the brass has obviously left the gun and is being replaced with a fresh round.

Stop worrying about things that don’t matter, shoot more. Over time you don’t even notice where the brass goes because you will be hyper-focused on something that matters like controlling recoil, lining the sights up, jerking the trigger while not moving the sights or some other important fundamental.

Is it correctable? Yes. Does it really matter? Not so much.

Click here for the source video that the cover photo was taken from.

UPDATE: Seems that some of you just don’t seem to understand what I am saying. I am not excusing brass to face, I am making the point that it is not a malfunction in the sense that the gun’s operation has been halted. If the gun works all the time but occasionally tosses a spent case towards your face, there is no need to discount it for carry use.





Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and Co-Director for TFBTV. He is a verified gun nerd and also podcasts at The Firearms Podcast. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially overly modified plastic handguns, precision rifles, and AR based things. You can follow Patrick on Instagram @tfbpatrick, Facebook, or contact him by email at tfbpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • It isn’t a malfunction it is a symptom of poor design, companies who don’t care enough about the shooter to correct it, and agencies that don’t care about their end users to mandate to have it fixed.

    If a FBI or major LE contract required that no brass to the face the companies whose guns that do this (it starts with ‘G’ and rhymes with Block), could easily fix it to win the contract. Sort of like how they did for previous contracts.

    Just like the Army forced Colt to put the brass deflector on every M-16.

    • Joshua

      this, a well made gun should have a consistent ejection pastern, a well balanced gun should just drop the brass out of the gun, and a well designed gun should put the brass out and away from you.

      If your gun does not do this, your gun could be better.

      • BecausePhysics

        More often than not, it’s because you’re shooting garbage ammo with inconsistent powder charges. Action speed (which is usually mostly dictated by cartridge power) is wholly dependent upon the pressure built in each round.

        Physics.

        • Joshua

          technically true, however some guns are better at buffering inconsistent charges than others.

          • Edeco

            Yup, like I said on the other HK thread, longer recoil spring; more service life in a narrower weight range. People were all shocked and offended that I’d have the gall to want more of a good thing. What can I say, I’m not afraid to dream.

      • PersonCommenting

        Ever see a CZ Scorpion in 32s ejection pattern? I rented one while in the Czech Republic and it had a nice rainbow pattern. Best 60 bucks I spent.

        • DW

          I also did rent the old skorpion in czech. Shouldered the short stock and that was the big mistake I made. The gun ejected in a rainbow pattern and landed brass into my shirt. Ow.
          Guess ATF’s karma division caught me shouldering a brace and decided to punish me for that.

          • PersonCommenting

            Where did you go? I was in Prague, it was the crappiest indoor gun range ever. Built in 1939 just after Germany took some of their land.

      • billyoblivion

        If you were OCD enough with the HK P7 you could put a bucket in certain spot and not have to pick up your brass. That is if you held the gun in exactly the same spot/angle every time.

        • Rodford Smith

          Oh, yeah. There have been days at the range with one of my P7s when the ejected brass was making better patterns than the bullets were. 🙂

    • Perry

      One of the very reasons I do not own a pistol made by a certain Austrian company. I am left handed and every time I shoot pistols from that company I get hit in the forehead at least every third shot. No thank you.

  • Jess

    I used to have that issue with one of my handguns, fix was as easy as taking a pick and patch, and cleaning up the extractor.

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  • TyrannyOfEvilMen

    Yep. If you haven’t experienced the occasional hot casing going down the front of your shirt or the back of your neck, you simply haven’t shot enough rounds.

    In any case, it is not acceptable to lose muzzle or trigger control over it.

  • BrandonAKsALot

    My Steyr M9 likes to throw Winchester white box at my forehead, but that’s because it’s weak ammo and the recoil spring is rated for +p+. I more have problems with my guns throwing brass at other people. Last time I was shooting my Arsenal slr104ur, I had to tilt the gun because I was pelting people 8 lanes down with cases.

  • JamesG3

    I had this problem. Switched ammo companies and it went away entirely.

  • Ramsey

    Here is my counterargument: should normal operation of the firearm result in potential injury to the shooter or increased risk to standers by? I would argue that, for a well designed weapon, no it should not. A piece of searing hot brass on the skin can leave scars (ask me how I know…), and reacting to intense pain has a tendency to decrease conscientious adherence to range directions.

    Based on this reasoning, a firearm that consistently ejects brass onto the shooter has a deficient design and needs modification. A firearm that is designed not to brand the shooter but does occasionally is malfunctioning.

    • Keiichi

      Does your argument include the design and construction of indoor ranges where the lanes have walls which may deflect the brass back onto the shooter?

      At what point does it become the individual’s responsibility to protect themselves from said risk of injury during a range session? (Shooting goggles, hat, don’t wear a shirt with a hood that could catch the hot brass, don’t wear a v-neck blouse, etc.)

      Is the risk of said injury in a defensive situation significant enough for said individual to modify their behavior and clothing choices?

      Is the expense of correcting the “malfunction” justifiable relative to the risk?

      • Phillip Cooper

        If the walls are deflecting brass on to the shooter, it CLEARLY isn’t a firearm problem. It’s a range wall problem.

        Why is this hard to understand?

        • Keiichi

          Oh, your position isn’t hard to understand; though you clearly misunderstood mine.

    • Mystick

      When trajectory is determined in part by recoil velocity, the designer cannot account for the wide range of ammunition available in today’s market – the design must accommodate all or one – you end up designing for the average. The various powder loads available, the selection of bullets by shape and mass, and even the cartridge material and tolerance factor into the final trajectory…. not to mention the maintenance level and cleanliness of the firearm.

      • Joshua

        really? because most companies advertise that the guns have been tested with several types of ammunition, the only time you see big changes in ejection pattern is going from light to heavy, usually you only see it when going from standard to +P. There are designs that are able to moderate recoil velocity better than others, Glock, is not so good at that.

  • James Young

    Not a malfunction, it’s working as intended. I guess that makes it a feature then?

  • Edeco

    Agree, not a malfunction. I say yoink that brass from out the chamber hole and fling it wherever’s natural for the gun. If I ever build an AR one of my requirements is no deflector, I think those are ugly, afterthought dead weight.

    For a gun one might have use in emergency, without PPE I could see wanting it to be mostly trustworthy not to send the brass at ones eyes, if that’s possible. Except for revolvers of course, come to think of it, I’m not sure which if any handguns reliably don’t eject at the face (I shoot in lanes often so I can get them bouncing off a wall at me as well).

    • Jess

      To your last statement, as someone who had the great misfortune of getting a papercut on the cornea by a rogue paper airplane in first grade, I will say that my eyesight was not affected in that eye, just a few days of wearing an eyepatch. That being said… hot brass MIGHT be just a tad worse, not too sure though lol

  • A Fascist Corgi

    It might not be a malfunction, but it’s definitely a design flaw. I won’t buy a handgun if it ejects brass into my face.

    • Jared Vynn

      I have had lots of issues with the sig P938 and inconsistent brass ejection. Even sandbagged I couldn’t get it to consistently eject the brass.

      • PersonCommenting

        Really? mine works pretty well. Cant ever remember being hit in the face. A couple times to the top of the dome but thats out of 1000s arounds in the 2 years ive owned it.

        • Jared Vynn

          It was only a few times in the face mostly after hitting the top of my head, but the ejection pattern would consistently miss the 20’x20′ tarp I use to catch brass. Only handgun I used that did it, same ammo in my LC9s would land the brass within a few feet of each other as would my 92fs.

          Best firearm I have had for ejection has been my Marlin 1894 44 Magnum, no matter how I worked the lever it always seems to drop the brass at my feet.

      • Ryan L

        Is the little downward finger on your extractor broken off? It’s easy to miss.

        • Jared Vynn

          No, I also tried a few others. I have had similar results with a sports model, scorpion, emperor Scorpion, and a rainbow model. The rainbow was the most consistent out of them. They all seemed to do better with heavier bullets (124 gr and up) though. I haven’t tried steel or aluminum cases just brass. Except for the emperor Scorpion they all fired every time, the emperor Scorpion was getting primer material stuck in the firing pin hole with some cheap remanufactured ammo but ran fine with everything else.

    • Moonman45

      you need a forearm tattoo and a ridiculous shooting stance then maybe your opinion will be worth something

      • Edison Frisbee

        I laughed…

      • SnidelyTipCash

        Ridiculous to the unwashed masses, well, yeah. But if you still want to rock the teacup / dapper-fellow shooting stances for all the right hipster mustachio-twirling reasons, be my guest.

        • Joshua

          I wish I could upvote this more than once, the picture of a 1890s gentleman shooting a glock with a the single hand bent elbow technique.

        • Moonman45

          nonsense. if you arent actively thinking of forcing your beard to grow and trying to hyper-extend your arm than you arent doing it right!

  • Justin

    As a lefty I consider it a feature for some weapons.
    Honestly I’m glad I’m not a woman. I’ve seen one get hot brass down her shirt and 5 guys jump up to help her get it out of her cleavage. After looking at her double tap to center mass and the follow on head shot I figured she knew what she was doing and didn’t need or want my help. She just told them to F-off did a speed reload and kept shooting.

  • John A. Smith

    Brass in the face may not tie up the gun, but all the macho-posing “don’t care if it sticks to my eye even” in the world won’t save if you can’t see because you’ve got a casing in your eye. I do care about being dead or blind because of my carry gun. We’re living in a golden age of guns — never before have there been so
    many reasonably priced, reliable, accurate, and carryable guns on the
    market as now. If a gun is throwing brass in your face, fix it or dump it; replacements are cheaper than eye surgery and funerals. I tried to power through a short 1911 that would kick brass back at my eyes/forehead hard enough to draw blood. And then I asked myself: “why the hell am I spending money sending this to the factory and gunsmiths when I can just replace it with a handgun that doesn’t do this?” And that was the end of that.

    • noob

      makes sense – it’s one thing to power through adversity. It’s another thing to go to jail because you shot somebody you didn’t intend to because you had your eyes full of hot brass. Or to get killed because you couldn’t see the badguy for a follow up shot because you had your eyes full of brass.

      Maybe Patrick could demonstrate tactical holding-the-other-eye-open-and-shooting-accurately-while-hot-metal-is-in-dominant-eye?

  • Sid Collins

    However, I always try to position my children on the left end of the shooting table. No one enjoys being pelted with brass from your neighbors weapon.

  • Twilight sparkle

    I was going to say “who said it was a malfunction to begins with?” Then I read the comments section… guess some of these people just don’t have enough experience with firearms

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    I prefer my brass to go down the front of any attractive womans shirt nearby.
    They tend to start shedding clothes when that happens.

    • iksnilol

      Lord, give me a gun that ejects brass consistently at cleavage’o’clock.

      • Keiichi

        Keltek RDB ejects downward from the rear of the stock… depending on how expansive the cleavage, that might fit the bill.

        • noob

          it’s like a high pass filter.

        • Phillip Cooper

          We need some example pics here, or this thread is useless…. ;P

  • Rick O’Shay

    If brass starts going where you normally don’t see it going, sounds like you need to clean up or at least check your extractor. On my ARs, it’s usually a pretty good indicator of whether or not the gun is gassed properly, or if I need to inspect it.
    I consider brass direction to be more an indicator of proper gun function than anything else.

    • Calavera

      True that. My Glock 26 inexplicabl

    • Fourth round out of the box with my Glock 36, I took the brass between the eyes. This is why we wear eyepro.

      To be fair, the G36 is easily Glock’s worst model about tossing brass hither and yon with wild abandon because for some reason they forgot how to extractor???, but still, it’s not always a maintenance issue.

      • Rick O’Shay

        That is true. And if it’s not a maintenance issue, you’ve got a poorly designed gun, and it’s your own damn fault for buying it.

        • YMMV, but I can still draw that G36 from concealment facing away from the target– after jogging a couple hundred yards to get the adrenalin up– and put the whole magazine in the A zone in under six seconds from 15yds, so “poorly designed” is a relative term. I’m less concerned with the likelihood of brass between my eyes than I am with the likelihood of lead and copper between the bad guy’s ventricles.

          • Rick O’Shay

            But if getting brass in your face every time you train reduces how much you train because it’s so unpleasant… Well, you’re not going to be as effective in your application of lead poisoning, are you?
            If there’s something that bothers you about your gun, there’s enough competition in the market that you can find something equally suitable/accurate but more enjoyable to shoot. Putting up with brass to the face just because the gun is accurate seems dumb to me. But you do you.

          • If it were happening every time I shot I’d probably be more inclined to replace the extractor at the very least, but I haven’t caught one in the noggin since I replaced the factory magazine springs with Wolff springs. Life is full of compromises; I’d rather stick with a known quantity of holes in targets in close proximity than spend increasing amounts of money chasing the ~~PERFECTION~~ Glock promises but can’t quite reach. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

            I’m sure I could get better performance out of a $1911 1911 for sending American Compressed Patriotism downrange, too, but an M&P45 with an Apex trigger does a pretty good approximation for a third the price.

  • gordon

    How serious it is is a matter of opinion. For most of us who are not you, your opinion doesn’t matter in the slightest. I don’t care what you can tolerate or not either.

  • Dracon1201

    Not a malfunction, people are just soft. They lose sight of what they’re doing, it becomes recreational, and in doing so (like every other martial sport) they seek to make it as comfortable as possible, it’s why square ranges and seated shooting are things here as well. Brass doesn’t hurt if your nerves are made of steel.

    • Don Ward

      They lose sight of what they’re doing when a chunk of burning brass lodges next to their eyeball, that’s for sure.

      • Dracon1201

        Just wait till they trip or take a bullet, apparently combat princesses completely shut down.

        STORY: I had a .308 casing from one of my early PTRs burn itself into my forearm and scar for 3 years because I was so focused on hitting the 400yd gong. Connecting with the last 10/11 shots of that mag made me so proud. I was 15. I’m probably going to get it tatted there to remind myself XD.

  • Anonymoose

    What about brass under your glasses or brass up your nose? Sparks and shrapnel build character!

    • Edeco

      I’ve probably let myself open to getting them under the glasses but ideally the glasses should fit well enough to prevent it. Even poor fitting glasses would almost always kill the velocity of the brass, leaving just heat and relatively small mechanical hazard, so maybe not a huge deal.

      The nose; it’s just skin, worst case take the pain, rawr. Best case, puff sharply to expel the foreign bullet shell.

  • Jim Slade

    Obviously a conspiracy perpetrated by the thriving industry of aftermarket Glock parts manufacturers.
    You can tell by how a new extractor fixes it.

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  • Scott Tuttle

    fun story: I was shooting my brothers g22 (bullpup 22 fyi) and he had it set up for right handers and I’m a lefty. I thought, its 22 how bad could it be? it was pretty bad, felt like someone lightly punched me in the jaw.

  • valorius

    Once while qualifying with my M16A1, the first shot of the qual flung the brass straight back at my face and it got wedged between my cheek and my chin strap. I shot a mere 36 out of 40, minumum score for expert, but my most proud moment ever on the rifle range.

    It burnt the F out of my face.

  • Ryan L

    Heh I bought a Glock because of course like everyone else I wanted to Operate operationally and ya know it just plain works, its a “tool” all that jibberish lol.

    My gen 3 glock 19 does for sure BTF me all the time. It really doesn’t bother me that much but it is something Glock apologists try and sweep under the rug.

    I will say this – I have had two stove pipe malfunctions in under 2000 rounds. Sure it was with sh*tty wallyworld Tula Ammo but it sure put a damper in the “Works every time I pull the trigger” argument.

    I still have the glock even though it’s uncomfortable and pelts me with brass. I’m keeping it until my Sig 320 compact shows up. Then it’ll be decision time.

    • KnowThyWeapon

      Good luck getting that 320 to reliably detonate those hard Russian primers on that cheaper-than-dirt TulAmmo. Which is good training ammo, however, very inconsistently loaded so expect similar results shooting that ammo out of any semi-auto pistol.

      Also, out of every 1,000 rounds or so expect maybe 2-3 dead primers, 3-5 grossly under-pressured loads and one or two over…

      • .45

        I have noticed that with the Tula. 7.62×39 in my AK has literally never had a problem in the thousands of rounds I’ve fired, but their pistol ammo has issues. I have had, in no particular order: A round that refused to go off after repeated strikes, a round without a primer, a round with an upside down primer, and a round where the bullet was not crimped in place.

      • Ryan L

        Yeah I don’t expect it to be perfect but fwiw I have the same actual malfunctions in my glock as I have had in my 9mm 1911. The 1911 were both federal aluminum that failed to extract. My only real point was that while a glock is a decent tool, it is not the be all end all that some folks would have you believe.

        What the 19 is for sure – is the lightest, most compact, highest capacity gun that I’ve found.

  • Yeah, if you’re having problems with your own brass fitting you in the face, you probably need to use another gun. But this was the first thing I thought about…. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f0aadfc5447b2f8302eeaf3aa281e61f3e0b634cac7a64a14608b9a1577e3490.gif

    • CommonSense23

      Where is that video from?

      • Marco Antonio Gonzalez

        The Gods Must Be Crazy (1980) A very good comedy

  • iksnilol

    I never really notice brass hitting my face or something, it just bounces off. It’s like “okay, that happened” but I don’t think about it more than that.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Ive found that when a gun starts getting janky with the ejection pattern it needs to be cleaned.

      • iksnilol

        It’s either janky ejection or the stall dividers bouncing it back at ya.

        Can’t win, hombre, CAN’T WIN FOR GODS SAKE!

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          meh
          Small price to pay usually.

          • iksnilol

            IT’S GAME OVER, MAN, GAME OVER!

        • Gary Kirk

          Or the guy 8 to 10 lanes to your left with an AK or sks dropping brass (steel) on you like a damned mortar..

          • DW

            A G3 operator operating operationally at another range also does that.

  • pblanc

    By that same token, a pistol that gave you hammer bite and took a chunk out of the web space of your thumb would also not be malfunctioning, but it surely wouldn’t be desirable. A tendency for a pistol to consistently send hot brass to your face or down the front of your shirt is very likely going to affect how you shoot that pistol, and not in a positive way. I think the whole premise of this article is rather inane.

  • Don Ward

    Wow Patrick. Way to come off sounding like prat and a complete t wat.

    Also, I don’t have the issue of brass ejecting into my face and down my shirt because my EDC is a revolver.

  • USMC03Vet

    So we are excusing unnecessarily dangerous firearm design, because hypothetically one day you might use that same firearm to shoot someone with?
    Pretty sure Patrick just won the worst straw man argument of all time with this post.

    • Don Ward

      YOU NEED TO STOP WHINING, SHOOT MOAR!

      • Dan

        Lets see his argument when that brass does indeed stick to his eye. I’m guessing he has never had a serious eye injury before. Rip/burn a few layers of Cornea off and tell me how easy it is to keep both your eyes open after that. So yeah shoot more. What a joke. There are times when I wish Alex wouldn’t have left his little garden gnome here

        • Suppressed

          Upvoted for “little garden gnome”. Lol, sorry Patrick, but that’s funny.

  • FelixD

    With experience you’ll find its not that unusual to have brass from an auto fly all over. I’ve been hit in the face, forehead, and had brass pitched down the front and back of my shirt. (try taking a piece of 8mm brass from a FN49 down your shirt) I’ve seen some guns with no determinable pattern to the ejection and some that went into neat piles. Its a part of shooting. This is why we wear glasses and hats.

  • PersonCommenting

    My glock 19 does this occasionally. like once every 200 or so rounds. Its never really a problem. It was kind of funny when my gf ripped her shirt when one hit her face then went down her shirt… Me being the good RO that I am I quickly took the gun so she could remedy the problem. Not that it was dangerous but she was dancing around with her finger indexed trying to fix it with one hand.

  • Robert Sweeney

    I’ve frequently pondered the hot brass in face question when thinking about having to shoot from inside a vehicle. It’s annoying enough to have brass bouncing around at an indoor range, how distracting might it be while fighting for your life from the driver’s seat? Makes me think a revolver would make for a better car gun.

  • BBMW

    It’s a display of lack of quality. A quality firearm would be designed in such a way as to provide the shooter with a comfortable, safe shooting experience. Having hot spent brass hitting you in the face is neither of those. Good engineering wold eliminate it.

  • JLR84

    My M&P has a tendency to throw casings in my face when I use weak ammo like Blazer aluminum. Generally not a problem with peppier loads. I’ll use the rest of my supply of the stuff (bought a 1000 round case) but I probably won’t be buying it anymore.

  • Badwolf

    “Don’t care if it burns me, don’t care if it sticks to my eye even…”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed95b96319657f3ba731f613e5fec93649591a78aa788ce6427dad2ba7d60b97.jpg

  • Dan

    If in a self defense scenario I almost guarantee you will care if a piece of hot brass sticks to your eye. Kinda hard to fire that freshly loaded round anywhere close to accurately when you can’t see.

  • Gary Kirk
  • DanGoodShot

    Ok, ok. We have officially became a community of cry babies. Honestly, I didn’t even know this was a thing. Sure, I’ve caught my fair share of brass to the head/face. My sheild is almost guaranteed to pop a couple off your head. I thought it was a funny thing. I’ll be annoying when I’m trying to collect my brass. I guess that’s my biggest complaint. But to actually cry about it and call it a malfunction??? Either grow a set or stop shooting. Just my 2 cents.

    • Dan

      It is a problem to a degree. However Patricks take on it just sounds dumb. Handgun advice from someone that not long ago admitted to being a noob to handgun shooting.

      • Joshua

        This, this article is nothing but pseudo macho testosterone idiocy, there is no reason or sense in what he wrote, it’s an opinion piece, and the opinion is bad.

        I left TTAG because of this kind of article quality, now where do I go?

        • pvw20

          Never ask people where should you go.

      • DanGoodShot

        I politely disagree. If someone has a gun that does it and it bothers em’ sell it and get one that doesn’t. But to call it a “malfunction” is a bit far. Maybe an undesirable design flaw to some. Sure. To carry on about it, make a video complaining about it AND go as far as to say it could cause severe injury. Thats just silly to me. I had one go down in between my glasses and eye. Than it hit the ground. I thought it was interesting at best. Mildly annoying at worst. People nowadays are so overly concerned with safety(I am in no way knocking being safe) but being overboard is another thing. As far as questioning Patrick’s credentials? I don’t know the man or know much about him. I can’t say either way. I do get the feeling that when he said he was kind of a noob, I believe he was just being modest. Besides, it doesn’t take much “expertise” to see a bunch of hooey.

      • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

        LOL, far from a noob.

  • Quasimofo

    BTF a malfunction? Nope, just a result of poor design, typically combined with poor ammo, based on my experiences (and many others, judging from the comments). My HK pistols never directly BTF’d me regardless of what I fed them, but my Glock 17L BTF’d like it was its purpose in life. Switched out the ejector for the Gen 4 version and now it behaves well. BTF is not something I’d want to distract or injure me in a DGU.

  • I’ll take brass to the face any day as long as the bad guy is takin’ lead and copper to his. Priorities, y’all– priorities.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      At least someone sees the point.

  • HAT

    This is a symptom of a bad cycling gun. if it didn’t do it before, its a few hundred rounds of wear away from stove-pipe malfunctions. if it just does it randomly out of the box, its garbage design.

    a properly cut extractor made of hardened steel should throw the brass consistently in the desired direction, without fail. preferably that direction is not at your face.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      You understand that direction and where it goes depends on consistent ammo as well correct?

  • Pandaz3

    Just shoot that 19 Gangster style

  • TheChunkNorris

    Using your logic, slide bite isn’t a problem either. It’s funny how by telling other people not to whine… you yourself are doing the whining.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      I am whining about people whining? Interesting, some sort of strange whineception going on.

  • .45

    I wear glasses, so have literally never fired a gun without some form of eye protection. Thusly, the fact that one of my 1911s likes to bounce an empty off my face now and then doesn’t really concern me much. The first time it startled me a little, but now I’ll shoot and not even think about it until later when someone asks me what the little circle smudge on my face is about.

  • Evan

    If you’re left-handed as I am, brass to the face can be a major nuisance, and can hurt both accuracy and the general fun that comes from firearms. I’ve had my chin cut up – through a beard (albeit a thin one) – from the brass from a Tavor. Brass to the face can cause minor injury, but the real problem is that it makes you flinch, and you can’t shoot well if you’re flinching.

    What I really hate is brass down the shirt, especially when wearing a flak jacket. I was on a BZO range once, and the guy to my left, Trujillo, had a talent for getting the casing from every other round down my shirt. It wasn’t fun.

  • jerry young

    Did this even need to be addressed? Who would think malfunction? I have one gun that never throws a ejected case in the same direction, I’ve been hit in the face they go right forward and left, never once called it a malfunction and not much of an issue to worry about.

  • The_Champ

    A lot of talk in the comments about hot brass sticking to your eyeball, I kind of doubt that is a thing. Anyone have any documented examples? I could maybe see it getting wedged between eye pro and your eye, but ‘sticking’ to your eye? Really?

  • Bigg Bunyon

    I got my first semi auto in 1970: a Browning Hi-Power “T” model; I still have it. Over the years, I’ve owned dozens of semi auto hand guns. It was only when we got the internet I realized that easily 90% of my guns had a serious design flaw: the dreaded Brass To The Face flaw. Up until then I’d just worn a ball cap or a Panama to ward off the flying monkey demonic brass.

    I once did get a hot 9mm case lodged between safety glasses frame and temple. That was a bit uncomfortable, but so was the paper cut that morning as I mounted a new roll of toilet paper. There are just so many insidious hazards out there ready to ruin my day if not my life.

    One I’m tackling just as soon as my paper cut stitches are removed is sharp edges on our kitchen knife sets. I’m sure my wife will thank me for making our kitchen safer.

  • Rodford Smith

    This is how I learned not to wear a t-shirt with a stretched-out neck when I went shooting. 🙂

    (Other folks on the firing line do not take kindly to a maniac with a loaded .45 in his hand jumping up and down and screaming.)

    My first M-1911 used to be *really* bad at doing this. I’d come home and my first look in a mirror would often reveal one or more dark rings on my forehead. Eventually, a little cautious adjustment with a file of the extractor hook and ejection port greatly reduced the problem.

    For some reason – at least in my experience – this seems to happen more often with .45 Auto than other cartridges.

  • mazkact

    My CZ-75’s and clones thereof through them to One O’Clock, just sayin.

  • Bob

    tune your extractor. It is dangerous!! The brass can lodge right between your eye glasses and your EYE. I’ve had it happen, entered from the top, I was lucky I only got a scalded eye brow and eye lid.
    Nothing to screw around with.

  • Don Ward

    So I see Patrick had to walk back his WHINE LESS, SHOOT MORE tough talk while blaming those of us in the comments for just not understanding what he wrote.