California Ammunition Sales UP FIFTY PERCENT

Widener’s Reloading and Shooting Supply is a Johnson City, TN based online ammunition company that has pushed a press release out citing a number of alarming panic/bulk buy figures from customers in California. According to the company overall ammunition sales are up 50% from California alone, whereas national sales from other states have remained relatively normal. The sale of 9x19mm and .308 Win cartridges is especially alarming from California, showing an increase of up to 60-80%, with .223 Rem cartridges higher than either of them. Just reading some of the statistics on this panic buy is enough to give one flashbacks to the Sandy Hook induced panic buy. From Widener’s-

In the two months since 2016’s General Election, traffic from California is up 50% to Wideners.com. Nationwide traffic to the site has remained relatively static for the same period.

“There’s been a massive influx of California hunters and sport shooters who are stocking up in the wake of California’s new laws, no doubt about it.” Anne Taylor of Widener’s said. “There’s not just increased interest, it’s clear the gun owners who are buying are buying in bulk. We’ve seen our average order weight go up in the past couple months.”

Taylor points to sales data indicating the average quantity purchased by Californians is up 20% in the two months following the election compared to the same time period before. So, if the average customer bought 10 boxes in his or her order prior to the election, they’re now buying 12.

“We heard from a lot of customers in late December and early January who were confused about Prop 63,” Taylor said. “Many people seemed to think the background checks would start immediately.”

Starting January 1, 2018, California gun owners will no longer be able to buy ammunition online with only face-to-face transfers allowed inside the state. California is also mandating a background check for all ammunition purchases under Proposition 63.

The actual figures concerning percentile increase are even more alarming-

Percent Increase in Sales by Municipality:

Los Angeles Metro Area – 395%

San Francisco Metro Area – 417%

San Diego Metro Area – 161%

Sacramento Metro Area – 449%

Anaheim Metro Area – 264%

San Jose Metro Area – 233%

 

Proposition 63 entails a number of regulations, the most concerning and damning to shooters in California is the ammunition permit, and the complete ban of high capacity magazines, even those owned before 2003. It also makes stealing a firearm a misdemeanor, and purchasing ammunition outside the state illegal unless it went through a dealer first. This is the law explained in it’s entirety as it is currently adopted, according to Ballotpedia

Requirements to buy ammo

Proposition 63 was designed to require individuals who wish to purchase ammunition to first obtain a four-year permit from the California Department of Justice. The measure required dealers to check this permit before selling ammunition.[1] California enacted legislation in July 2016 that repealed this provision and instead mandated dealers to check with the Department of Justice to determine if the buyer is authorized to purchase.

Licenses to sell ammo

In July 2016, California enacted legislation to regulate the sale of ammunition. The legislation required individuals and businesses to obtain a one-year license from the California Department of Justice to sell ammunition. Hunters selling 50 rounds or less of ammunition per month for hunting trips were not required to obtain a license.

Proposition 63 established a misdemeanor penalty for failing to follow these dealer licensing requirements.

Large-capacity magazines

California banned large-capacity magazines for most individuals in 2000. Individuals who had large-capacity magazines before 2000 were allowed to keep the magazines. Proposition 63 removed the ownership exemption for pre-2000 owners of large-capacity magazines. The measure provided for charging Individuals who do not comply with it with an infraction.

Court removal of firearms

Proposition 63 enacted a court process that attempts to ensure prohibited individuals do not continue to have firearms. The measure required courts to inform individuals prohibited from owning a firearm that they must turn their firearms over to local law enforcement, sell their firearms to a licensed dealer, or give their firearms to a dealer for storage. Proposition 63 also required probation officers to check and report on what prohibited individuals did with their firearms.

Out-of-state purchases

Starting in July 2019, the July 2016 legislation would have prohibited most California residents from purchasing ammunition outside the state and bringing it into the state without first having it delivered to a licensed dealer. Proposition 63 moved up the start date of this law to January 2018. It also made bringing out-of-state ammunition into the state without first delivering it to a dealer an infraction.

Reporting theft

The measure required dealers of ammunition to report a theft or loss within 48 hours. It required individuals to report a theft or loss within five days to local law enforcement. Failure to report was considered an infraction under the initiative.

Penalty for theft

Proposition 47 of 2014 made stealing an item that is valued at less than $950 a misdemeanor. Therefore, stealing a gun valued at less than $950 was a misdemeanor.

Proposition 63 made stealing a gun, including one valued at less than $950, a felony punishable by up to three years in prison.

Text of measure

The ever looming question about this debate is how it is going to affect the rest of the country. California does have the largest population of shooters in the United States, but will that affect the rest of the country when it comes to ammunition sales and prices? My predication is that the panic buying we are seeing right now, isn’t from the average consumer. This panic buying is from the concerned groups of shooters,instructors, sportsmen/women who are very in tune with the political atmosphere and are thus stocking up now. The average California gunowner probably doesn’t realize the effects of the law until a couple months from now, and I think we’ll see a dramatic increase of ammunition sales from non-California ammunition sales starting in the summer, and coming to a climax in December. I suspect that on the other 49 states end, prices will go up, but not dramatically. Then they will subside after January 2018.

Whatever happens, this better not be the case again.



Miles

Infantry Marine, based in the Midwest. Specifically interested in small arms history, development, and usage within the MENA region and Central Asia. To that end, I run Silah Report, a website dedicated to analyzing small arms history and news out of MENA and Central Asia. You can also follow us on Twitter- @Silah_Report

Please feel free to get in touch with me about something I can add to a post, an error I’ve made, or if you just want to talk guns. I can be reached at miles@tfb.tv


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  • datimes

    These dopes in CA are doing all wrong. The need to check in with the other dopes in Chicago so they can implement laws that really reduce crime.

  • Major Tom

    Yeah Prop 63 is doomed to die a death by Supreme Court. Prohibiting buying something from another state? Yeah that’s a violation of the interstate commerce clause. Only Congress can regulate that.

    • Greg

      Unfortunately I don’t think the courts will see it that way. It does not prevent us (yes I live in Kalifornia) from ordering ammo online. We must have ithe ammo sent to a FFL/Ammo Dealer (not to our house) to do the back ground check to make sure we paid the fee to get the ammo licence then pay more fees ($35 to the dealer for receiving the ammo) and state tax on the purchase price.

      • Major Tom

        It’s not ordering online that’s the violation, it’s the part where if you physically buy and possess ammo (legally!) in another state and then take it back over the CA stateline it’s now illegal to have.

        The way it’s worded it would mean it’s illegal for the US postal service to deliver it to California EVEN IF THE DESTINATION IS AN FFL DEALER!

        Only Congress has the power to prohibit interstate transfers like that.

      • John1943

        One local dealer told me he could charge whatever fee he wanted, and I see nothing that contradicts him. He made it very plain that by the time you do it through him, he will charge enough to make sure he makes enough profit to offsetting any loss he incurs by us trying to save money with bulk out of state purchases.

    • Phillip Cooper

      I seem to recall similar statements concerning Obamacare.

      Don’t forget, the Dems likely have a pic of Roberts in drag, judging by the frantic way he rewrote his opinion on that case.

      • Fox Fetterworth

        Maggot Roberts didn’t rewrite his opinion. The opinion he wrote REWROTE the law. Roberts should be caned to death.

      • jsl55

        The reason Roberts flipped was a threat to expose an illegal adoption and possibly take his adopted children. They were both from Ireland, but adopted through a Latin American country. That is against the law.

        • Phillip Cooper

          Source?

    • Cal.Bar

      It’s not the purchasing part that they are worried about…. it’s the bringing back into CA that will get you in trouble. Buy all you want… just leave it in NV.

      • Phillip Cooper

        There IS an awful lot of empty desert in CA…

        Wonder how long till they start finding caches of ammo when they open up new construction projects. It could be centuries, if ever.

        • billyoblivion

          > There IS an awful lot of empty desert in CA…

          It is probably a felony to suggest a better use for that shovel and all those empty miles.

          • mcjagermech

            a real shovel ready job

          • Wow!

            It isn’t a crime if no one knows, which is kind of the point. :>

    • Black Dots

      Your lips to God’s ears, but I am not holding out any hope for that. There are already bans on certain type of chemicals you can import to California, so they might be case law that would allow this type of thing.

    • rrangel

      Likely no, but it’s still preempted, through a different avenue. Not to mention a big glaring Second Amendment violation where they are only pushing laws to restrict the right.

    • VT Patriot

      Didn’t one state that had a similar law, (FFL required for ammo) where the NICS system said it could not, and would not spend the time to process ammo purchases? That law was kicked to the curb. NY? CT? IL? Forget which.

  • 11b

    A permit to buy ammo? That’s insane. What does the permit cost?

    • KestrelBike

      Dunno about permit cost, but I know the 5-yr handgun “safety certificate” (permit to buy a handgun, you didn’t need one for shotguns/rifles) cost $25 and you had to pass a fairly-easy 15 or 25 multiple choice questionnaire.

      • Elijah Decker

        My mother and I both had to pass the test and get our firearm safety certificate to buy a long gun. $25 fee each, but at least the test is easy, multiple choice, and can be retaken immediately if failed. That doesn’t make it any less of an infringement, though.

        • KestrelBike

          Oh ok, guess that fsc for long guns is a new infringement. No surprise, really.

        • Blkojo

          Let’s mandate similar for voting and expression of the First Amendment. Okay…….let’s not.

      • gunsandrockets

        Not just handguns, now you need a “safety certificate” to purchase any firearm. Oh, and the old handgun certificate became invalid even if it was within its expiration date, forcing you to buy the new certificate. And the new certificate expires every two years.

        • Marcus D.

          The HSC remained valid for handgun purchases, but could not be used for long gun purchases.

      • Ron Ceguera

        CA has changed the rules again, and you actually DO need a “safety certificate” to purchase shotguns/rifles nowadays..

      • Aldo1887

        That “5-year” used to be a One-Time until they started chipping away at how to make it harder to legally own guns…

    • Disarmed in CA

      Just a few ounces of freedom

    • Marcus D.

      $50. The money is to pay for the massive computer network that will be needed to process app. 10 million applications, and the vendor reporting requirements, and the attendant background check–which is the same background check you have to pass to buy a gun in the first place. So if you decide to buy a gun, you have to have a Firearm Safety Certificate ($25 every five years), a background check with a ten day wait ($25), an ammo purchase permit ($50) and pay a surcharge to the dealer to cover the cost of the reporting, APPS database check and vendor license.
      The APPS check of course renders the permit absolutely useless, except as a tax and a way to register all gun owners–or all gun owners who buy ammo–within the state. And the State knows what you bought since the dealer has to report all ammo sales to the State electronically–through its new and unbuilt and unstaffed computer system– by make, caliber and amount purchased. And if the Ninth Circuit adopts the position of the Fourth Circuit that carrying a gun means that you are automatically dangerous, then every arrest will be at gun point, and every raid a no-knock SWAT incursion for anyone who has the temerity to own a firearm.

      • Blkojo

        Infringement defined.

  • Anon

    Doesn’t prop 63 move stealing a firearm to a felony? If I’m reading it right it seems like your quote says that they rectified that.

  • Ranger Rick

    And yet the firearms and ammunition industry continues to do business with the State of California, it’s county and municipal governments. Hey Remington, Federal, Winchester, Speer, Sig, Glock. Smith, and you too Colt cut them off!!!

    • Drew Coleman

      I wonder how fast they’d change their tune if all the firearms companies refused to sell them guns, ammo, and equipment that civilians can’t have.

      • valorius

        A few smaller companies have done that, but the big corps don’t care.

        • Phillip Cooper

          Barrett is one of them.

          • valorius

            Yeah, they are specifically who i was thinking of.

      • Cal.Bar

        Barrett did it. They didn’t seem to notice or care.

        • Drew Coleman

          Barrett is also tiny compared to glock, sig, and s&w. They also make a niche product from law enforcements perspective

          • billyoblivion

            Glock and Sig are foreign owned companies who have different notions about rights.

            S&W, Remington etc. don’t have that excuse, but because Glock, Sig, H&K etc. won’t stand in solidarity American companies won’t either.

          • Ranger Rick

            Good point, sad but true.

          • Core

            This is why I don’t buy their foreign made junk. *blades Croation XD..

      • Andrew

        You have no idea how large the firearms market is in CA. It is THE biggest market of all the US. By a long shot. Contact Brownells, Midway USA, etc and ask which state purchases the most firearms products. They cannot just shut off CA.

        • Drew Coleman

          I am not saying pull out entirely – just don’t allow law enforcement to buy anything that non-LEO’s can’t buy. E.g. refuse to sell standard cap mags, non roster handguns, and “assault weapons” to government agencies.

          • Andrew

            I agree with that for sure.

          • Core

            That’s a great strategy. Dry out the tyranny until they come to their senses. I have been supportive to this strategy for years, and I was impressed several companies have followed through.

          • carlcasino

            Drew Coleman–Do you want Kalifornika to actually abide by the Constitution??? Really !!!!

        • rrangel

          That’s why the traitorous leftist legislators in California are pushing so many gun laws. They want to eliminate the market. Prop 63 and like minded legislation is headed for a major lawsuits.

        • John1943

          They won’t have a choice with this new law, buying from them will be illegal.

        • carlcasino

          What Kalifornika has accomplished is driving the small mom & pop operation over the border. Nothing affects progressive Governments like choking off their source of $$$$$$. You can bet that Hollyweirds bodyguards have their Guns and Ammo, but they are more important that the Folks–Just ask them!

          • Bruce Rogers

            Don’t forget Gavin Newsome and his tax payer paid for CHP body guards. He won’t walk through Oakland without them at night.

    • Kafir1911

      They are too greedy. They will keep selling until those are the only sales they have. Then they will wonder what happened.

    • Aldo1887

      It’s a dream of mine that the firearms industry would step up and do that.. It may be the only thing that can save us in this state, one of the big public employee unions who run this state, taking it in the shorts like the rest of us. If they squawked people would listen..

    • Wow!

      You can’t cut them off. If you don’t sell to the state, the state will buy from the GSA. The only way to fight gun control is to violate it. Period.

    • CavScout

      You do realize that many/most go through distributors, not directly with the manufacturer, right?

      • Ranger Rick

        Yes, by design. Depending on the contractual arrangement the manufacturer sets the territory for which distributors may sell their wares. Many law enforcement/governmental sales must go through “Law Enforcement” distributors/reps.

  • Oh I am sure that the gun shops in Arizona and Nevada will be checking every drivers license. And I am sure that anyone from California buying ammo there will report to their dealer to have their ammo checked in. ?

    • John

      You’re damn right Nevadans will. Everyone is sick of running out of .22 anything.

      • Russ Kell

        Heh. .22LR may be ‘coming back’ in other places, but I’ll be damned if it doesn’t still vanish within minutes of hitting shelves here in Vegas.

        • valorius

          No problem getting .22 in Pa. Everytime i’m in wally world there’s plenty of it.

          • Russ Kell

            Wallyworld here still have the 4AM squatters sitting in folding lawn chairs at the ammo counter waiting for the ammo to be rolled out.

          • valorius

            Hoarders are the reason it’s so expensive- not because of any shortage of manufacturing. It’s because of idiots hoarding.

      • Al Shartpants

        Like the retailers care.

    • Just Sayin’

      Just like us buying fireworks in Wyoming and bringing them back to Ewtah.

  • 22winmag

    The problem is not these tyrannical guns laws. The problem is all the people who slavishly comply with them.

    • Greg

      Slavishly comply? I’m fighting the best I can (money to CPRA, CalGuns, and most importantly taking new shooters out for the first time shooting). I/we welcome your help.

      • valorius

        If you want my help i’ll give it in the form of free advice: Move to America.

        • Black Dots

          I keep forgetting that “Molon Labe” means “Give up and run away.”

          • valorius

            Did the spartans pick Thermopalye because it was an indefensible position surrounded by hostile locals, or because it was a highly defensible position with supportive natives?

            Hitler lost WWII largely because he refused to make strategic retreats to defensible positions, and instead insisted on defending every inch of land no matter how foolish.

            California is lost. It is completely, totally lost. Withdraw to America while it can still be saved and help us fortify our defensive voting rolls here.

          • Black Dots

            The Spartans are a good example, but not for the reasons you think. They could have said “All of northern Greece is lost, let’s fortify the Isthmus of Corinth and protect ourselves.” But no, they marched north and took the fight to the enemy. Why? Because they knew that if they did nothing the enemy would eventually come for them anyway. The same thing is happening now. If you think you will be safe in your part of the country, give it time. It looks like you’re from PA. How are those gun laws looking in most of your neighboring states? Do you think that has nothing to do with you? Think again.

            Also, on a positive note, you can’t win if you don’t fight. We still have the 2nd Amendment, a Supremacy Clause, a lot of vacancies in the 9th Circuit court, and we going to have a few more on SCOTUS. Things look bad now, but they look better for tomorrow. They only way to make something of those opportunities is by fighting for them. Our enemies are arrogant and it is only a matter of time before they overplay their hand. In fact, that might have happened already.

          • valorius

            They marched and took the fight to the enemy at Thermopalye because it was a highly defensible position where a few could withstand the assault of many.

            California is not that place.

            Moving every single conservative in Ca to battleground states would FAR better serve the Republic than having a smattering of you hopelessly outnumbered in what is essentially a 1 party state.

          • valorius

            Conservatives in Ca are going to be so massively outbred by leftists that within 10 years you’ll be outnumbered twice as bad as you already are. Ca is lost.

        • Heartland Patriot

          No, let ’em stay there and enjoy their “socialist paradise”. At least some firearms owners had to have voted Democrat, and we sure don’t need them moving east and ruining the rest of the nation. Maybe there should be extreme vetting for anyone moving out of California. “Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Democrat Party”?

        • Aldo1887

          Yeah and why should I have to move from my home of 3 generations because other people have ruined MY home?

          • valorius

            You Commiefornia conservatives better start breeding like rabbits then.

    • Phillip Cooper

      It’s all well and good to talk big on the Internet.

      It’s quite another thing when the VoPos come execute a no-knock warrant on your house and “accidentally” shoot your wife and child.

      • Marc

        Like valorous said, move. The great California weather isn’t giving daily blow jobs is it?

        • Phillip Cooper

          I wouldn’t be caught dead on the left coast.

    • Aldo1887

      You have it all wrong. We are utterly outnumbered by folks who have never even seen a gun outside of a movie, yet they still vote on laws that were created to sound like they do one thing, yet actually do another (make guns illegal.) Meanwhile, practically at a whim, LE can strip you of,, what may be family heirlooms to you, if you step out of line. We are fighting tooth and nail, and losing badly.

  • TyrannyOfEvilMen

    Just wait until 2018 and ammunition stores in Nevada and Arizona will see huge spikes as well.

    But don’t worry, you won’t have to break the law to buy ammunition in California.

    Just look for an illegal alien in a Scooby van at Walmart or Costco. Ammunition will be the new cocaine.

    You heard it here first.

  • valorius

    If all the conservatives in Commiefornia would move to battleground states in the US, not only would it solidify the chances of R victories in the presidential election, it would all but guarantee the commies in Commiefornia would have the necessary % of the electorate to secede.

    Then they can buy all their power and water from the US at massively inflated prices and we’d save hundreds of billions in welfare and other subsudies. Win- win.

    • AlanHan

      There is no circumstance under which California could secede from the U.S.A. It’s silly talk. They also will never gain the approvals needed to divide the state into two states, because the rest of the states have no interest in having four senators from CA. One of these years CA residents are going to realize that they, and they alone, have to pay the price of legitimating illegal residence, and the use of obviously counterfeit documentation. The price will be the loss of a state pleasant to live in for the pre-’80s inhabitants.

      • valorius

        I think you’d be surprised how many red states would gleefully say goodbye to Commiefornia.

        I am sure every leftist state would oppose it though, because they know the Dems would never win another presidential election again.

        • AlanHan

          Californians didn’t create the state’s wealth of facilities, US taxpayers did, and primarily during the WWII era and in the fifties. The nation bought/captured the land. The current residents are free to head north or south if they wish. They can’t keep the land, the harbors, the mineral resources.

          I was stunned to read CA Senate President Pro Tem’s statement, that half his family would be deportable under Trump’s plans, and that “of course everybody uses false documents, SSN cards,”and such. The real estate development interests in CA suborned a mass immigration absolutely contrary to federal law. Then the people who came illegally gained the vote through marriage….and told the powers-that-be “take a hike.”.

          • valorius

            I’m not disagreeing with anything you say.

          • Marcus D.

            You should have identified the context in which his statement was made–a bill to make the whole state a “sanctuary state,” meaning that all of the busted drug mules would get to stay after serving their sentences, and the Mexican Mafia, Nortenos, and Surenos membership will rise. Now it is true that California relies on immigrant labor for its huge agricultural industry–but why can’t pressure be brought on Mexico to clean up its corrupt mess with the issuance of visas that could solve that problem without creating a new one?

      • Mike Price

        California will implode from the loss of tax revenue and burden of all there refugees they are taking in. They are sinking now. The schools are a mess now I hear from the people I have talked to that left the state that are now here in Indiana. These places don’t think about long term burden. All they want to do is be politically correct for the moment for political reasons.

  • AC97

    As it has been said many times before, I’ll say it again: California is a lost cause, aside from a Supreme Court miracle.

    • DT

      leaving CA gun owners out to rot is a great way continue eroding the 2A. Unless we break up the union, what happens in CA tends to flow east. A little support out there would go a long way to shoring up against other restrictions in other states.

    • Aldo1887

      Yeah but all the a-holes in this state move to other states and bring their poisonous anti-2A ideas with them (every heard of the West Coast Wall of Gun Control or Nevada’s “Question 1?”) If you don’t fight now, and join NRA, GOA and any gun organization you can, and send letters to legislators and oppose the anti-gun abominations they are inflicting on us Californians, it will come to YOUR state eventually. I grew up with everyone I knew owning guns, and if you had of told me that they were going to pass the laws that they have passed recently, I would have fitted you for a straight-jacket. You never think they can do it to you, until it’s too late. Join and Give Generously, while you still can…

  • gunsandrockets

    Abandon all hope, anyone foolish enough to enter the borders of Mordor.

    • billyoblivion

      I have to go there for work sometimes.

      SFO is surprisingly good about checking firearms.

  • gunsandrockets

    Big surprise? Not to anyone paying attention.

    Last year I predicted that California panic buying would effect the national market for ammunition. There’s a lot of gun owners with a lot of money in California.

  • Marcus D.

    I started buying in bulk a year ago from an out of state supplier. My wife thinks I am crazy. Unfortunately, I don’t have very much but I’ve already run out of storage in the cabinet out in the garage.

  • 1inidaho

    The last time external factors affected the supply of ammo, I vowed I wouldn’t fall victim to it again. Let’s just say I’m comfortable with where I’m at.

  • MegaGlide

    The repeated use of the word “alarming” makes you sound like CNN. Nothing alarming about it. Sheesh.

  • Core

    The 9th is an unconstitutional tyranny. Raise the Jack!

  • Heartland Patriot

    So, how are the authorities in California going to know if someone drives to Arizona or Nevada, buys ammo, and takes it back? Have they set up border crossing stations to look for ammo now? Maybe they should, then the people could sue the state for 4th Amendment violations.

    • Aldo1887

      There are already border stations to check for agricultural products that may bring insects back, Law Enforcement stops every car that come across each of our borders, it wouldn’t take much to expand their scope to ammo.

  • cruzo1981

    And this is why I will never visit friends or family in California. I have told them why, they say I’m crazy. I tell them they are, living in a place where their rights are stepped on.

    • billyoblivion

      It is pretty crazy not to visit relatives you like just because they live behind enemy lines.

      • cruzo1981

        Well, they come to Texas! I don’t think I could stomach it. If I saw an AR with a bullet button, I would lose my s#@+. Hahahaahahaha

        • billyoblivion

          It’s probably heresy here, but there’s other things to do with free time besides shoot, clean and talk about guns. There’s also…Um…Hiking. Yeah, hiking. And drinking.

          • cruzo1981

            I agree, I really only shoot with friends when they’re off from a hitch and I’m free as well. It’s just a personal thing. I don’t think CA has anything to offer that I can’t het here, especially bbq and mexican food. I just will not soend my money in CA because I don’t believe their decisions are just or constitutional. Not just the 2nd ammendment issues either.

          • billyoblivion

            > I don’t think CA has anything to offer that I can’t het here,

            Snow and both Alpine and Nordic skiing in the Tahoe area (although honestly you can do that on the Nevada side in Tahoe.

            Real mountains.

            A real ocean.

            Redwoods.

            I lived in CA for years, and left for the reasons you won’t go there. But I will always be sad that I essentially *can’t* live there because while Colorado is a beautiful place to be, California has more variety and more beauty.

            Shame about the people though.

          • DT

            I don’t believe you. except for the drinking part.

        • DT

          Then this going to give you nightmares: as of Jan 1, we are already longing for the good old days of the BB. Fixed 10 round mag only now. My God, the pain…

          Anyone have any recommendation for a good modern platform that are 10 round stripper clip?

          • cruzo1981

            You could do a Garand with Sage fixed stock chassis or start looking for a jon elsewhere.

  • .45

    This reminds me of articles in which some guy gets arrested for whatever reason and the news reports something like that he had “over three thousand rounds stashed away! OMG!!!” It always makes me laugh. A measly three thousand rounds. And seriously, it’s not like he could even reasonably use or carry that much if he was an evil active shooter. It would be like freaking out because a guy had a three thousand gallon tank of fuel in the backyard and fanastising he was going to give the cops a thousand mile car chase…

  • VT Patriot

    I think sarcasm here…

    • Bucho4Prez

      Also being sarcastic, but I just wanted to make sure people understood the context of said sarcasm.

  • valorius

    I say this in all seriousness- there is one huge difference between the South and California. The Union actually wanted the South to stay.

    The only states that would fight to keep California are the other leftist bastions…because without Ca they’d be doomed to conservative control for perpetuity.

  • Al Shartpants

    You know you are panic buying when you end up at Wideners.

  • Bruce Rogers

    Hopefully with the new Supreme Court Justice, we can challenge these CA laws. The state is being run by self-righteous fascist thugs. they’re anti 2A and 1A (i.e. Berkeley), free press and all that as long as you are PC cowards, just don’t challenge the liberal dogma. FOPA is pretty clear on the ammunition purchase through mails and the non-registration, it just needs to be brought before new SCOTUS….I am talking to you NRA, use my dues properly.

    • DT

      I appreciate the wishful thinking. But you do realize you just asked Wayne “Negotiate Rights Away” Lapierre to put part of his million a year salary into actually defending 2A in CA? I’m not holding my breath on that one.