Skeli X11 | SHOT 2017

The premise of the Skeli X11 is to bring an economically priced modular “Next Generation” rifle to the consumer market. Not everyone might be able to afford or sustain a SCAR-H or SCAR-L, but with the X11, a modular, folding stock, ambidextrous (controls and ejecting), quick-change barrel, the majority of the consumer market will be able to own a rifle that has many of the features that something like a SCAR is so well known for, but without the enormous price tag. All for a MSRP of $1449.

Built upon similar operating principles as the AR18 with duel spring loaded rods that the bolt rides on, the rifle rifle is currently being offered in multiple caliber configurations such as 5.56, .300 BLK, 6.8 SPC, and 6.5 Grendel. The charging handle can be switched to the left or right side of the receiver with the additional purchase of the desired direction. The rods that the bolt rides on are wedged against the lower polymer stock, thus preventing vibration into the upper receiver and affecting any scope adjustments. Top rail is monolithic picatinny, while the sides and bottom are of M-Lok configuration. Changing out the barrel involves unscrewing it from the outside through the receiver. However it isn’t completely exposed, so there really can’t be any accidental tampering with it. The rifle also has an adjustable gas port for normal, high volume of fire, and suppressed modes. Current design iterations don’t have a bolt lock back option, but this could change with more progress on the design.

At SHOT the company was displaying a prototype model, with an injection molded polymer receiver. When the rifle goes to production it will have a much more robust receiver. The Scottsdale, AZ based company still has some work ahead of them on the design, but hopefully it will come to fruition in the U.S. market.

The two rods that the bolt rides on.



Miles

Infantry Marine, based in the Midwest. Specifically interested in small arms history, development, and usage within the MENA region and Central Asia. To that end, I run Silah Report, a website dedicated to analyzing small arms history and news out of MENA and Central Asia.

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  • Rocky Mountain 9

    I dig it.

  • Edeco

    Looks pretty trim. Not 100% sure it
    Is without seeing in person. Still a wee bit spendy. Kind of want one in 6.8*.

    *I never turned against that cartridge. Say what you will about it lacking even a niche in tactical operations, but as a small rifle round, on paper it covers a lot of otherwise sparsely occupied ground.

    • ClintTorres

      Let me just get this in before anyone else chimes in…You should prefer 6.5 Grendel for reasons X, Y and Z.

      • Edeco

        Different concept, uses longer, heavier bullets. Wouldn’t want it in a 16 incher.

        • Rob

          Agreed. For what it was intended to do the 6.8 is still the best thing going.

          • Wolfgar

            I own both calibers and the 6.5 Grendel is way more versatile. Right now the SIX8-A2 by LWRC is the best 6.8 rifle combination but I would have preferred it in 6.5 Grendel.

          • iksnilol

            No… no it isn’t.

        • Vitor Roma

          You can load 115gr in 6.5. Basically the same energy out of the barrel, but much better BC. The whole idea that a round is better at short range because it is worse at long range makes no sense.

          • Edeco

            It should make sense. Bullets speed up the same way they slow down; being pushed by gas. A bullet that’s more compliant in the hose will generally be more compliant outside.

        • iksnilol

          Works just fine out of such a short barrel.

        • JoelC

          Nathaniel did a good post on the 6.5 Grendal in his intermediate caliber series. It is way under-underrated in shorter barrels because everyone focuses on it’s long range capabilities.

          • Edeco

            Eh, generally a fan but not of his attempts at intensive, hard tech topics; kinda just dives in and talks himself in circles.

          • JoelC

            That may be, and i disagree with him more than my fair share, but ut doesnt mean his numbers were wrong in that article. Its worth looking at.

  • GD Ajax

    So it’s basically the AR-180B that never was.

    • Ebby123

      If you mean they both fire bullets, then yes – they’re practically twins!
      Otherwise no.

      • GD Ajax

        This is nothing more than a dressed up AR-18. Stop with the pesdo intellectualism.

        Only the mall ninja crowd calls anything in .300 BLK a “new gun”.

        • Ebby123

          Lol.. two completely different designs, but thanks for playing.

          So in your mind, if two guns (1) Are of the same caliber, and (2) Have the same class of operating system, they are the same gun?

          I’m guessing then that this gun is also “a dressed up” ACR, SCAR, and Bren? Meaning a Polymer frame, piston operated 5.56 carbine…?

          The amount of proclaimed “knowledge” based on so little actual information is astounding. Basically the guns looks similar, so to you “ermagurd, they’re teh same gun!!”.

          • Jason Culligan

            The X-11 uses a dual guide rod setup and short stroke piston just like the AR-18, SA80, Type 89 and any other AR-18 derivatives. GD Ajax is right in saying that this is essentially a development of the AR-180.

            Not that there’s anything wrong with this mind you.

          • Ebby123

            Conceptually similar, but unless the parts are interchangeable they are not the same gun.

  • Bob

    Looks like everyone is making an updated AR-180 except Armalite.

    • Anonymoose

      Armalite failed massively the last time they tried.

    • Shankbone

      …And Olympic Arms.

      (Too soon?)

  • Russ Kell

    “…as the AR18 with duel spring loaded rods…”

    “duel”?

    Have at thee!

    • Seth Hill

      I’m not sure that I want a gun that the rods are dueling with each other. Though I am curious if they are shooting the springs at each other, are they using the springs to shoot something at each other, or are they using the springs like swords?

      • iksnilol

        I imagine the springs go against each other to cancel out the recoil?

    • DChrls

      Maybe Inigo Montoya designed it.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    Needs a longer hand guard but looks promising for those who want something different than an AR.

  • Dave Webster

    “check out this new. Affordable, gun!”
    Oh cool. So maybe 6-700? This could really make a difference in the market!
    “Its 1449!”
    Oh, so its the same as EVERY OTHER “premium” rifle on the market that does nothing better than a 550 dollar palmetto state armory ar but its heavier and unproven…like every other “premium” rifle on the market.
    Still, good for them for bringing something new, at least! Looks cool.

    • Bradley

      That’s not the correct comparison. It does multiple things that a palmetto state armory ar doesnt. If you bought a complete upper for another cartridge for your $550 rifle then you would spend almost as much or more. As stated it is affordable when compared with other completely modular rifles on the market.

      • Cal S.

        We don’t know how much the conversion kits are. Just look at the 9mm Tavor kit. It’s almost as expensive as the base rifle!

        • Bradley

          This rifle shouldn’t need a “kit” with .300 and 5.56, which would be most likely the most popular swap, you would only need a barrel. For several others you should just need a barrel and bolt. Converting to a pistol caliber will always be more involved. You have to use a different mag well size, barrel, bolt, and often a few other things. As far as my ar15 goes I pretty much would rather just buy a whole different rifle considering an assembled upper is the majority of the cost.

        • Wang Chung Tonight

          They are $285 for the 556 + 300. $395 for the 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel which I think is a new bolt included. So fortunately it’s not Tavor insanity pricing.

          • Cal S.

            That’s true, but uppers for an AR can be built for about that price as well, with the much cheaper base price of the overall rifle.

    • Malthrak

      If a $550 PSA AR15 exists that has a collapsible, folding stock available in multiple caliber options with adjustable gas port, wth an easy to swap barrel and what looks to be a piston operation, I’d love for you to share the link to it.

      This thing is competing on features against $2500 SCAR’s, not just on lead throwing ability with bargain bin AR’s.

      I doubt this’ll be the “next big thing”, but lets at least recognize what the target market and competition is.

      • Bradley

        Not only that the $550 palmetto is likely mil spec meaning it wouldn’t be a fair comparison even without some of those features.

    • Heck, Beretta ARX-100 is like… $1100-$1200? These guys really need to come in at $800 to be worthwhile. Otherwise, I’m just gonna buy the ARX-100, which is the semi-auto version of a real military rifle.

    • Ryfyle

      I scored pretty good with Hardened Arms myself.

    • BrandonAKsALot

      Guess we should all be driving the same vehicle and in certain size and styles of homes too because no one needs anything more. Commie.

  • Alex Waits

    looks cool, will finger if I see it a my LGS, might buy if it feels good. 😛

  • Cal S.

    I love how, in an era of reliable, good-quality $499 AR-15s, “Affordable” is still defined as somewhere over $1,100. Cheaper than a SCAR, but still annoyingly expensive.

    I know it’s hard to do all of that R&D to bring a rifle out these days sub-$1k. But no one is even trying.

    • Malthrak

      Or it’s just that the AR enjoys such economies of scale, decades of logistical support, ubiquity and commonality of knowledge that it’s just not possible for another new design to compete in the same cost footing, particularly when then it will be asked “why not just get an AR with better aftermarket support”?

      Even AK’s now are more $700-900 guns for relatively low-mid range options.

      This looks to be competing against $2500 SCAR’s on features, not $500 AR’s on basic ability to put 5.55mm projectiles downrange.

      • JoelC

        Agreed.

        Even Ruger, with all it’s finances behind it, can’t get the Mini-14 to be competitively priced with AR-15s.

        • b0x3r0ck

          Ruger doesn’t want the mini-14 to be competitively price to the AR-15. They are raping people in strict gun states.

          • Ebby123

            Yes, that must be it. Ruger is conspiring against their customers… because reasons. I’m sure economics has nothing to do with it.

          • tts

            It used to sell for much cheaper. Like 200-300 cheaper. The relatively recent price increases on the Mini-14 make no sense since its not like they’re doing a whole lot to change the rifle every year.

            Biggest changes were made back in 2005 I believe (changes were to improve accuracy and lower costs IIRC) and the expense to make those changes should’ve been amortized quite a while ago since they haven’t done much else with it since mechanically.

        • Malthrak

          Yeah, those have gotten really expensive of late, they used to be cheap but are pushing 900 now, though for people in AW ban states they remain probably the best overall offering.

        • Cal S.

          At least that one is within the realm of what I would consider to be “affordable”.

      • Cal S.

        I suppose, but unfortunately it also lacks the brand recognition of an FN that gives the latter its ‘cult’ or elitist following. I’m afraid for the price it will either fail to catch or we’ll end up seeing it for about $950 before too long.

        • Malthrak

          Thats entirely fair, and MSRP’s are usually higher than street prices once release has settled down. We’ll see if they actually release first XD

    • Brett

      Last one to do that was Master Piece Arms. We all remember how that went down?

      • Cal S.

        They could have fixed 99% of the problems with that rifle if they’d just used a standard bird cage flash hider, good hammer spring, and light handguard. In other words, $2.49 in miscellaneous parts on eBay.

        But no, they decided to suck.

  • Suppressed

    Anybody have an idea what that little fitting/nipple looking thing on the receiver in front of the magazine is?

    • Twilight sparkle

      Part of the quick change barrel system

    • MaxPower515

      If I remember correctly, you will down on the rod and then unscrew the exposed barrel nut.

  • Twilight sparkle
    • Shankbone

      Glad they went with a modular grip.

      • DanGoodShot

        Yeah, that grip looks… sad. Really. Like it’s sad.

    • forrest1985

      Agreed! Hated original design but this looks promising. Just not keen on either stock.

    • KestrelBike

      I dunno, I wish I could more clearly see that it’s called an X11…

      • Twilight sparkle

        It says it in big letters right on the side… you can open the pic in a new tab to see it bigger if you want but I pulled it from the first TFB article when they announced this rifle last year.

        • VanDiemensLand

          I think someone missed the point.

          • Twilight sparkle

            I’ve been low on sleep lately O.o

  • Anonymoose

    It’s like a ACR mixed with an ARX160, but with a CZ Scorpion stock…

    • b0x3r0ck

      The CZ Scorpions stock atleast adjusts the length of pull some.

  • RSG

    For $1500, I might be in love. But since I can’t afford to be a guinea pig, I’ll have to wait until after a few folks beat on their production models, whenever that will be.

  • Justin

    I’ll wait and see how it works in the wild and what problems are uncovered and how the company deals with them.

  • Slim934

    A cheaper SCAR type modular doohickey? Good luck to them.

  • kregano

    Man, I’m totally into the concept and wish them success, but holy crap, that stock looks like a three year old could break it, never mind recoil forces when it’s pressed against your shoulder. It also looks like it’ll tear up your face if you try to get a cheek weld.

    • MaxPower515

      After talking with them about it, that stock was just 3d printed and for the show. The actual stock will be better.

  • gusto

    why do you want a quick barrel change on a semi-auto tactical rifle?

    you can already change upper on an AR and have different barrels/calibres, and you have the benefit of the optic staying on the barrel/upper

    • iksnilol

      Yeah, why would I want to change the barrel (a cheap component) versus buying practically a new rifle?

      I’ve got no idea.

      • Or quickly remove the barrel and fold the stock so the rifle fits in a 16″ messenger bag?

        Totes useless feature brah. It’s all about non folding stocks and replacing the entire upper receiver and remounting optics for caliber changes.

  • Bradley

    Who are you talking to, and what are you referring to?

  • gunsandrockets

    So poly lower, aluminum upper?

  • Reader

    Both side ejection port kills reliability under bad conditions, and no ejection port cover also isnt a great idea.

  • Very, very cool. One of the more exciting things from SHOT, along with the B&T USW, Hudson H9, and K&M’s .308 Bullpup.

    With the US Firearms market having devolved into essentially just AR’s, 1911’s, and Glock clones, this is a much needed breath of fresh air.

    I wish the company all the best.

  • aka_mythos

    Nothing is ever going to unseat the AR15 in the modularity arena until some company or government is willing to absorb enough of the costs to produce something “new” for half that $1499 price tag. The firearms selling for that much are selling to a relatively narrow band of customers but the virtues of modularity are inherently entwined with economy of scale and an embedded consumer base. Firearm platforms are no different than other technology platforms; a company like Apple was an out of nowhere mega-success a decade ago because they were able to get enough early adopters into their encapsulated ecosystem quickly enough to create momentum. SCAR, ACR, etc… they never took off because they had no market momentum. When the X11 hits the market they will be lucky if one or two other companies sees it as an opportunity to sell accessories or upgrades… but the vast majority will leave such projects for the back burner and it will take momentum for them to prioritize them and grow greater interest around this gun.

  • JDC

    Timely discussion. Especially liked the folks commenting on price points. Was in a local store “Fleet Farm” (Midwest farm chain store) today. The firearms supervisor was chatty and pointed to the rack of rifles. Said: “We had a deal to sell high end AR-15’s, 1000 to $2000 guns based upon the owners relationship with the gun manufacturer. (Huldra and Korsag). Once we changed owners, we started selling the $500 to 900 AR’s that our customers could afford and wanted.”

    Pretty much sums up the discussion some folks are having. There will always be a smaller market at the upper end where price consideration is secondary, and larger market favors quality, lower priced goods that fit their budget.

  • DanGoodShot

    Figure out the bolt hold and I’m in… IF the product logo isn’t plastered across 1/3 of the thing. Whats with this “nascar” trend. I call it nascar because if I’m driving in nascar I want it to look like that. It means some PAID ME to put that crap on my car. I’m not going to pay them to do it. It’s like buying a car where the hood ornament IS the hood. Ha! Ok. Rant over… for now…

  • Cal S.

    Wasn’t in the article, I guess I figured the author was thorough…

  • CA

    Damn that looks good.

  • Peter Nissen

    Pls make mine in .300 BLK 🙂

  • Colonel K

    This word “economical”, I do not think it means what you think it means.

  • CavScout

    I don’t get it. An LMT MRP is more modular than anything on the market, and with an upper and your own $400 complete lower, is all of $1600 or less. Yet it’s good enough to get military contracts.