Yes! More B&T Inbound | SHOT 2017

At the top of my SHOT Show schedule was the B&T booth to find out more about their growing offerings available to U.S. consumers. And they didn’t disappoint. We’ve talked recently here at TFB about the APC line of firearms chambered in pistol calibers like 9mm and .45ACP as will as rifle cartridges like 5.56 and .308. But, I have had my sights set on the modern-day Welrod suppressed pistol, the VP9. And I’m happy to report that B&T will be bringing the VP9 to America.

Timeline, prices and other details are slim at the moment because the VP9 is still undergoing an ATF review. However, if all goes well, dealers may be able to sell the silent pistol by the end of the year. A price “guesstimate” is in the $2K to $2.5K range and it may include the Aimpoint Nano as previously seen on the USW line of pistols.

It’s no secret that I have a passion for unique silencers, and the VP9 fits that bill perfectly. If all goes well, I’ll be ordering my own 2017 Christmas present.

B&T VP9 PISTOL

The VP9 is, as a repeating pistol in calibre 9 x 19 mm with an integrated suppressor, the most quiet pistol in this calibre on the market. The barrel, due to several holes in front of the chamber, slows normal (supersonic) ammunition down to subsonic speed, therefore the suppression is optimal.




B&T USW A1 and USW

Also bound for U.S. shores is the USW line of pistols. Packaged with a light and the afore mentioned Aimpoint Nano, the USW A1 will be capable of accepting a foldable stock once registered as a short barreled rifle (SBR). Also in development is a level two polymer retention holster. Outfitted with a protective hood for the red dot optic, the holster is capable of accepting the USW A1 with the stock folded or extended.

Still in the design phase, a second USW pistol is currently in development (I got to see the raw cad drawings directly from one of the top B&T engineers). The new version will be built on a modular polymer frame that will have the ability to switch internals similar to the Sig P320. There is no ETA on the modular USW pistol.

Another price “guesstimate” will place the below pictured USW A1 at $2K, which will include the light and optic.

In order to react to the quickly changing threats faced by police forces all over Europe, especially those threats presented by Islamic terrorist, law enforcement needs to quickly rethink its armament. The recent terroristic attacks have proven, today’s police side arms are not able to cope with an opponent armed with military assault rifles and bomb vests.

This is the main reason for the development of the Universal Service Weapon (USW). It was to designed to be a weapon which enables the first responder, thus the normal patrol officer, to intervene effectively in the event of a terrorist event. It is also a sidearm that is suitable for every kind of “normal” police work.
The USW will be available in two versions. One with a DA/SA trigger, available in Spring 2017 and one with a preset striker available Winter 2017.


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Also arriving is the SPR300, a suppressed bolt action rifle chambered in .300BLK. Due to import restrictions, the American version needs a few tweaks before it becomes available. As such, there is no ETA as this point.

B&T SPR300

The SPR300 is the perfect precision tool for all kinds of sniper assignments up to 150 meters. Due to its integrated suppressor the SPR300 is more silent than an air rifle. The SPR300 is designed as a quick take down rifle, enabling the operator to sneak into position, as it fits a small and inconspicuous carrying bag.



B&T KH9 and GHM9

Whereas the KH9 is a “Collector Series” gun and will only be available in limited quantities, the GHM9 will be more accessible. Missing the interchangeable magazine wells and sporting a polymer lower receiver, the GHM9 will be more affordable than the KH9. I was able to do a superficial “weight and feel” comparison and the two guns are expectedly well made and refined.




These are indeed exciting times. Stay tuned to TFB for more details as they are released.


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  • Mr. C

    As for the VP9, does it use a rubber wipe system à la Welrod, or is it just a conventional through-hole design?

    • Eric B

      There’s rubber in the one I looked at in Switzerland

    • Squirrel

      The true VP9 comes as a kit in a case. It comes with 2 suppressors, a “practice” suppressor that is less quiet and uses baffles and a “working” suppressor that has wipes. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0d5983480f1e0c2b4a373094920f48957c45bc0c3e281a82589bc9841ce186f8.jpg

      • Pete – TFB Writer

        Exactly. And the US catalog has the same kit shown. But everything is a little up in the air and subject to change.

        • El Dude

          Are B+T going to import their labeled ammo? I would think the subsonic 9mm would sell well with it’s documented performance. $1.50 a round?

          • Wow!

            I would just get into reloading. Can’t beat 5 cents per round with a cast bullet.

  • Nicholas C

    What does the VP9 cost $2k – $2.5? And don’t say it’s because it is B&T. It is a manually loading pistol. Sort of like a bolt action handgun. The can can’t be that special and it has a ported barrel like and MP5SD. Still not seeing $2k worth of gun,

    • EdgyTrumpet

      But it’s B&T :^)

    • DanGoodShot

      Agreed

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      I’ve always wanted a Welrod. This is the closest I can get at the moment.

      • Nicholas C

        Fair enough. But can you really show me where there is $2k in that pistol and can setup?

        Think of what $2k gets you else where. A nice pistol can can be almost $1000. A bit high but sure lets go that far. So are you saying a manually operated handgun is worth another $1000?

        If the VP9 itself is $500, do you see a $1500-$2000 9mm suppressor there?

        That is ridiculous.

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          I’ll flip it around. Show me an alternative. A manually operated repeating 9mm ported pistol / suppressor combo.

          Plus, if the specs hold true, the kit includes two suppressors.

        • Sunshine_Shooter

          Nicholas, how many do you think they’ll sell? R&D is expensive and those costs need to be recouped. If B&T sells 4 million units they won’t be very expensive, but if they only sell a few thousand…

          • PersonCommenting

            True but why not bring the price down 500 bucks and sell more of them over a longer period of time and make more money? There has to be a point where we can say R&D cant cost that much or they are just charging a ton for no reason.

            Dont get me wrong I think most things are properly priced but why does a manufacture and a decently established one like B&T have to make their costs back with 12-18 months? I dont want to use the word price gauging but maybe they are charging more than what they need to for the exclusivity effect. People buy cause others wont have them and the buyer wants something different. Idk just thinking out loud.

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            Maybe they plan to make that money back over the course of 2 or 3 years, they just don’t see very many of these pistols moving at any decent price. Also, they are not in the “make customers happy” business, nor even the “gun” business. B&T is in the “make a profit” business, and tying up money in R&D projects that will take 4 or 5 years to break even once production starts is not how you make a profit.

          • PersonCommenting

            Tay they sell 1000 of these in 2 years for their price of 2000 and bring in 2,000,000 and take whatever the profit is out of that. Why not lower the price to 1500 dollars and make 2,250,000 and pull out a greater profit out of that?

            Then again I am sure they have played around with the numbers and probably have a time frame of break even and profit. I just am with the others in not seeing 2000 dollars worth of gun in this.

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            I personally don’t think that this pistol is worth it. But like you said, they have numbers guys who get paid to look into these things, and I am not one of them. For all I know, this may be a huge money-maker, but I don’t think it will be.

          • PersonCommenting

            All of B&Ts products are extremely pricey. They look really good but very pricey. I think we will agree its a niche market they got.

          • RealitiCzech

            What R&D? It’s a slightly refined Welrod.

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            Are you for real? #1: Reverse engineering the Welrod (if that’s what it is). #2: Refining that design. #3: Determining acceptable tolerances. #4: Determining how exactly to machine/forge/cast the pieces to make the design. #5: Creating tooling, jigs, fixtures, etc, to produce the things. #6: Training people to use those tools to make your gun. #7: Finally ship something to someone and start to actually bring in revenue. Bringing something new to market isn’t simple or quick.

          • Wow!

            Reverse engineering isn’t that expensive. I have replicated the IWI negev just by watching videos on youtube and pictures IWI posted online. It took me only about a weekend day to draw up the parts and about an hour every day for two weeks to make one. If you gave me a full time job I could get you a negev in a weekend.

            Basically B&T like H&K is selling their brand. Nothing wrong with that, that is marketing, but I for one am not going to pay that much since I can make my own, and even if I couldn’t there are so many other alternatives far cheaper and possibly better designed.

      • SGT Fish

        are they making the suppressors in the US? otherwise wont they be dealer samples only?

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          Yes, made in the US.

          • El Dude

            I would be interested to see how the VP9 is imported as far as points scored. $1000.00 with a non-suppressed barrel and a mag would get more support. Don’t they use modified Sig 225 magazines?

      • mike

        Anyone want to make a Non NFA Welrod looking pistol?

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Maybe I’m just getting old, but I’d pick a Welrod over a Maxim 9 right now.

    • PersonCommenting

      Why did they name it the vp9?

      • tsubaka

        B&T VP9 Veterinary Pistol

        “B&T has recognized the need for law enforcement, veterinary services and hunters to have a very quiet single shot pistol for use when putting down injured animals and wounded game”

        • PersonCommenting

          Gotcha. Still though. There is already a gun with this name. Why not incorporate the meaning in some other way.

          • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

            B&T’s VP9 was first by several years. If anything, HK should have used another name,

          • PersonCommenting

            Wasnt aware of that. To be fair isnt H&K a lot bigger though. Also this isnt a main stream gun. Names change all the time when they come to the US.

  • Edeco

    GMH9 use Suomi coffin mags? Prolly out of my price/priority range anyway, but yanno, just as I’d be sad if wild leopards went extinct, I’d like new quad-stack pistols/PCCs to be a thing.

  • Vhyrus

    Um…. are they going to change the VP9 name before they import them or is HK and BT about to get very confusing in the near future?

    • PersonCommenting

      Yeah I mentioned the same thing. Apparently the VP stands for vets and police . Its for dispatching animals over in europe where they dont want to be loud and not everyone can have a semi auto.

      All the same, I agree, should of changed up the name.

  • Squirrel

    In my dreams, B & T sells the VP-9 as a host pistol without the suppressor so I can just add my own. Also its only a few hundred dollars

  • CharlesH

    Finally, a modern Spectre SMG.

  • Auslander Raus

    B&T makes collapsible batons?
    Woot!
    Gimme!

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Yeah. And they are awesome. Extended they can take a lot of punishment.

    • Wow!

      You have my attention B&T.

  • ??

    You would think based on how many suppressors are in the United States they would just sell the VP9 pistol with 1/2 28 threads.

  • El Dude

    Any vendors out there that sell the batons? I kind of want one just to add to the B+T collection.

  • Cottersay

    Does anyone notice how this looks like a (slightly) slicker Welrod silenced pistol — but for $2,000!!!!!!!!!!!!???? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ff71675a01524eb53b28dff1e53c3a2dab01a1eefe7894fdddc2ece2a90a556a.jpg

  • Wow!

    B&T is nice, but not MSRP nice. I as well as thousands of other casual gunsmiths like me have built essentially the exact same thing as the KH9 and it only costs me less than $30 to produce by hand and about 6 hours to produce. And that isn’t even doing an assembly line process to where a full work day could probably let me produce 10 per day. Even if you paid me $100 per hour, it would be cheaper to pay me to produce by hand than to ask B&T to produce with all of their CNC machining. If only licencing and restrictions wasn’t so expensive, we could literally flood the market with cheap $200 sub guns for everyone. None of this overpriced bs.

    • PersonCommenting

      Yeah but R&D costs! /s

      Sometimes I think this is overplayed. Also some of these manufactures must be paying their guys like 30 or 40 an hour…
      Most of the time however with products I think the price is reasonable. This is one I just dont think it is. But you cant ever say that on forums like this other wise youll get chewed out.

      • Wow!

        Agreed. Like Kel Tec, I agree with any price they put out. They use a lot of polymer molding for their furniture and a lot of custom folded parts for the trigger groups that are somewhat irregular. That is a lot of tooling you have to pay for to even get one product out. This on the other hand is practically on the same level as P.A. Lutys semi auto closed bolt. Nothing advanced worth a price beyond $700 no matter how much special german “quality” you inject into it from the factory.

  • CavScout

    OK… waiting for the $2000 B&T version of the M3 grease gun…

    • PersonCommenting

      Psh, theyd charge 4k for that probably…