ATI Omni Hybrid .410 Shotgun | SHOT 2017

American Tactical Imports (ATI) showed off their AR-15 shotgun chambered in .410 gauge a few years back, well they’re finally coming out. I was walking through ATI’s booth to go fondle their MP-40 replica chambered in 9mm when I stumbled on the Omni Hybrid .410 shotgun. The new shotgun uses ATI’s OMNI Hybrid Mil-Spec, multi-caliber, polymer and metal lower receiver. The lower also uses a standard AR-15 6 position stock. The upper has a 2.5″ chamber and an 18.5″ barrel, 13″ free float rail with Keymod slots and a full length Picatinny rail up top.

The Omni Hybrid .410 will include a 5 round magazine but a 15 round mag will also be available. The mags also have round count holes along the side. ATI claims their new Omni Hybrid .410 is compatible with most bird shot, buck shot and slugs on the market. I got to play around with it a bit and it’s pretty light, they didn’t have an exact weight but according to their prototype from a few years back they claimed it was only 6.5lbs. The new Omni Hybrid .410 will retail for $499.95 and should be coming out very soon. Check out Americantactical.us for more info.

The Omni Hybrid .410 Shotgun 5 round and 15 round mags side by side with their round count holes.





Ray I.

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  • valorius

    Neat, but i’d like it better with a 3″ chamber. Still, firing 3 pellet 000 buck shells this would be a very effective home defense weapon. I really like the price of this shotgun.

  • Sasquatch

    Man this is cool. I hope it runs reliably.

  • hami

    Multi-caliber lower seems to be an understatement for these guys. It looks like a great shotgun.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Cool idea, looks good and the price is right.
    Im down.

  • TexianPatriot

    Like the price point. Shorten the barrel to 16 inches, or better yet offer it as a pistol with brace and I’m in.

    • Risky

      It’s still a smoothbore shotgun, can’t make a pistol version of it without it being considered an AOW or <18 inc bbl without being an SBS.

      • TexianPatriot

        Black aces does and it is considered a firearm. Not an AOW or SBS.

        • gunsandrockets

          I imagine they use some pinned muzzle device to make up the legally required minimum barrel length.

          • thedonn007

            No, it is a title 1 firearm.

          • gunsandrockets

            ??

          • JSmath

            It’s the specific legal definition outlined by the ATF, where it ISN’T a shotgun, isn’t a short barreled shotgun, and isn’t a rifle, but still a firearm.

          • gunsandrockets

            I am tired of playing chinese whispers.

          • JSmath

            That reads more like you’re saying you don’t understand English well enough to comprehend what people are telling you. The short story is you were and are wrong about meeting minimum length.

            If you’re tired of people attempting to explain it to you, then go read the definitions and letters yourself and figure it out.

          • gunsandrockets

            ugh. I understand the law perfectly well.

            So please, tell me where a shotgun with a barrel of less than 18 inches is not regulated by the NFA.

          • Bradley

            It would be, but what they are referring to is not a “shotgun” under legal definition. They intentionally remain outside the legal definitions of the NFA regulated weapons which are very specific. If they don’t fit any of these legal definitions then they are simply classified as “firearms.” I’m not sure who is whispering to you in Chinese, but you might want to see a doctor about that.

          • gunsandrockets

            I’ll restate the question: please tell me how a smoothbore firearm firing fixed ammunition with a barrel length less than 18 inches is not regulated by the NFA.

          • salty

            shotgun fired from shoulder, has buttstock. Non-shotgun firearm does not. easy sleazy. google is your friend.(in searches)

          • gunsandrockets

            So in responding to me you completely ignored the part where I never used the word “shotgun”?

            I know the law. Do you?

          • salty

            dude, go read hte atf opinion letter. you are late to the party. just because you dont understand it doesnt it isnt happening. go and acquire knowledge for thyself instead of demanding spoon feedings

          • Cymond

            I’ll try to summarize. Imagine a smoothbore firearm with a 14″barrel, 26.5″ overall, and only a pistol grip. It isn’t a “shotgun” or SBS because it isn’t designed to be fired from the shoulder. It isn’t an AOW because the overall length doesn’t fit ATF’s definition of “concealable”. It isn’t a handgun because it’s a smoothbore. It is simply a firearm that defies every clarification.

            Franklin Armory achieved something similar with their XO-26. It’s over 26″, has an 11″ barrel, and a vertical forward grip. It isn’t an AOW due to length, isn’t a SBR because of the arm brace, isn’t a pistol because of the front vertical grip.

            Look at this for the background, including opinion letters from the ATF. This page was published at least 5 years ago. http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88%2F

            It’s been discussed here on TFB http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/03/26/14-mossberg-non-nfa-scattergun/ and now Mossberg is offering factory models like this http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/16/industry-range-day-mossberg-shotguns-shot-2017/

            And although this author incorrectly uses the term “shotgun” it’s the same ruling that Black Aces Tactical uses as the basis of their non-NFA models http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/05/04/black-aces-tactical-shotgun/

          • gunsandrockets

            My mistake. For some reason I thought the rules for smoothbores were different.

          • Cynic

            hilariously I could build an M2HB or a Browning 1919 with a 12 inch barrel with the right length spade grip because of this ruling

            its why the mini tippman .22lr beltfed semi auto’s are legal with short barrels I love making the atf look dumb with their stupid interpretations and opinion letters.

          • Cymond

            Arguably, it could be considered a handgun if you used a single grip. That would free you from the 26″ overall length requirement of an uncategorized “firearm”.

          • valorius

            You obviously do not know the law, as the product mentioned above does not require NFA paperwork to own.

          • Cynic

            basically legally there are 3 different types of title one long gun

            rifle – 16inch barrel and designed to be fired from the shoulder using two hands

            shotgun – 18 inche barrel, designed to be fired from the shoulder and use 2 hands

            Other – not legally a pistol (designed to be fired with one hand rifled bore)

            for example an AR lower because it has no barrel no stock is an Other.

            a

        • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

          Id guess that it would be legal if you put the upper on your own lower that had never had a stock attached (ie what we would normally call a pistol lower), but Im no lawyer and I dont want to tangle with the ATF.

          • salty

            DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! that would be a bad ass home D gun. can get a pretty good payload in a 410 if you reload it yourself (and save money over the triple cost vs 12 ga) “Shockwave NFA hack” for the win!!!!

          • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

            Unfortunately the Sig brace gets all the attention while the Shockwave is a better option for those who do not actually intend to attach it to their arm. Though if you were to theoretically shoulder a Shockwave brace the narrower contact surface compared to the Sig products would make heavier recoil less comfortable, but we are talking about .410 here.

          • valorius

            I like the shockwave better too

    • valorius

      Can’t have a 16″ bbl or it’d be an SBS, or an AOW in pistol form.

  • Dukeblue91

    This looks very interesting to me and at a great price point too.

  • PersonCommenting

    ATI does some cool stuff. They were one of the first to put out a PCC for a decent price.

  • MrBrassporkchop

    Can you look at this like a powerful pistol caliber carbine with lower capacity?

    For the $500 that’s pretty neat.

    • corey

      No, you can’t.

  • valorius

    Is the forward assist functional?

    • Christopher Ati-importmanager

      Good question, so i just went down there and checked and no it is not, sorry.

      • valorius

        Bummer. Well, still a fun range toy.

  • MrFN

    Yesss. Finally I can go into three gun with three ARs. A pistol AR, a rifle, and now a shotgun. /s

    • LGonDISQUS

      Top lol right here!

    • Audie Bakerson

      You’ve been able to do it with 3 AKs for years.

      • MrFN

        Oh like I want another .089 seconds added to my split? Really? I can’t even put my 1300$ Larue-KAC Elcan mount on an AK, learn to compete n00b.

        /s because I know there is someone out there who takes this view above seriously

  • Did ATI ever get around to fixing that whole “BCG explodes and nearly takes the shooter’s eyeballs out” problem they used to have?

    • Just say’n

      #fakenews

    • corey

      Never heard of it, without pictures it’s fiction

  • gunsandrockets
    • salty

      they used to sell these. called the t14. it was kinda junk. perhaps they’ve fixed the issues… also, used to be like 800. so yes, maybe better now.
      PS, they been promising these since like 2015.

      • Christopher Ati-importmanager

        try more like 2011!

        • salty

          welllll, you had the t14 back then though no? then had to pull cause of reliability? I had 2 back then… 1 cycled great, other I polished bore and then it would extract the empties… alas, traded them away, one for a colt 1911, other for a diff super trade, so I have fond memories of the ones I used… just the ammo cost is so high! triple what 12ga is!! maybe this will help bring it down, as demand should hopefully increase capacity and therefore loosen stuff by scale of metrics or whatever its called?

          • valorius

            I just checked last night after reading this article and found 2 1/2″ 4 pellet federal 000 buckshot online for about $.60 a round, which is not too bad.

          • Christopher Ati-importmanager

            The T-14 was 09-10, we dropped it by fall of 2010. I was head of CS then so I’m super familiar with that particular product. We started development of our own in early 2011 and literally had 6 years of set backs with it, engineering, re-engineering, re-re-engineering. Probably two dozen people have worked on it with us over the years, its been crazy.

          • Sledgecrowbar

            It’s nice to get comments from insiders, especially when we’re looking for clarity.

          • corey

            So will your mags work in a T14? You left a lot of people holding T14s and no mags…

          • Christopher Ati-importmanager

            Right now I do not know if the new mag will work with the Safir.

          • corey

            I’d be happy to do application testing

          • corey

            Also is ATI planning on supplying those nice hot .410 slugs they used to sell for the T14? Those were some of the best .410 slugs I think we’re ever sold in the US IMHO.

          • Christopher Ati-importmanager

            We may have that in the works, although I don’t think it will be as hot as the old stuff, just normal.

          • corey

            Well they certainly ran great in the T-14, and were higher velocity than any other .410 slug I know off. And due to mag size restrictions of a standard AR lower it appears the Omni .410 will face the same issues with overall shell length to feed correctly… I realize it may be an ITAR related supplier issue, but those were some nice rounds. I still have about 1000 of them lol.

          • Nick

            Are you planning on selling uppers as well or just complete guns?

      • corey

        The T14 was made by Safir in Turkey. ATI imported them. It wasn’t junk really, it works pretty well. But ATI stopped selling them, and then stopped supporting them so you couldn’t get parts or magazines… Hopefully the new ATI .410 mags will work in a Safir T14, that will make a lot of people they pissed off previously just a little happier…

  • thedonn007

    Can you use .45 LC with it?

  • Rusty S.

    Just imagine the pest control possibilities…

    • LGonDISQUS

      User Avatar checks out.

  • Cal S.

    I don’t know why I’m so excited about this. Probably wait and just pick up an upper if sold separate.

    I don’t suppose it could shoot .45lc? I’m betting it would be a chamber issue. I feel I’ve answered my own question…

    • JSmath

      The Judge is rifled, which is why it can use .45LC and .410 – but the latter to poor effect. In this case, it’s a 18.5″ smooth (shotgun) barrel, so I’m guessing it would fire, but probably physically function like crap. No stabilization from rifling = good ol’ ball accuracy, right?

      • Cal S.

        Ah, good point. I hadn’t considered the lack of rifling.

        • salty

          nothing to do with rifling. everything to do with the actual inner diameter of the bore… they make the judge for 45, which is larger than 410…

          • Cal S.

            That’s an even better point.

          • salty

            thank you! i thought the same thing for a while, but then i googled it! ahahah. i think it wold be interesting to bore it for 45 as well, but just becasue judge does it doesnt mean it would work well in a detachable box mag. i e, have to have 2 spearate mags, 1 for shotgun shells one for the 45. now not impossible, but more junk to have around…you could prob buy as 410, then retrofit to 45 if you wanted to pay someone for the custom work…

          • Christopher Ati-importmanager

            you nailed it salty, will not fire 45LC

      • salty

        and its rifled/bored to .45xx, not .41xx like a 410… lemme know how that extra 40 thou works out for ya!!!

      • gunsandrockets

        what if you made a .45/.410 shotgun barrel with replaceable chokes, and one of the chokes had paradox rifling?

        • valorius

          If you want a .45 caliber AR just buy a .458 socom upper.

    • corey

      No, it was designed for the pressures of a .410, not the pressures of a .45LC. The piston system would never allow you to use both. A Judge doesn’t care because it was designed for 45LC, doesn’t use gas, and it doesn’t care if the .410 is firing from a bore larger than it was designed for at close range. However, a chamber designed for .410 does care if you over pressure it, and a barrel designed for .410 does care if you try to put a .45 diameter bullet through it…

  • LGonDISQUS

    That is a REALLY fun price!

  • JSmath

    Like .22LR, .410 is great for fun plinking but you’d be out of your mind to choose it as a primary defensive option.

    I’m not expecting it to mesh with the hybrid/polymer lower as well, but I would personally LOVE the same model rebarreled/trimmed as necessary for ~10/11 shots of 28 Gauge. That would be pretty choice imo.

    • gunsandrockets

      buckshot pellets (of the same size) leave the barrel just as fast from a .410 shotgun as from a 12 gauge shotgun, the .410 just fires fewer pellets.

      4 x 000 buckshot pellets is quite lethal

      • Nick

        Especially if it runs well (as it should if it is being considered for defense). With a 15rd mag that’s anywhere from 45-60 OOO pellets depending on the load.

  • Southpaw89

    Honestly, this is the first AR that I would consider using for home defense, living in a populated area the idea of using a rifle caliber firearm for the purpose brings up concerns of over penetration, and while some of the pistol caliber options might be ok, this looks like something well suited to the purpose, rather than something that could simply be used for the purpose.

    • Bradley

      It’s pretty well known that heavier projectiles from pistol calibers penetrate walls, etc. more than light rifle cartridges like .223. It’s the main reason why sub guns are still used by swat teams even though they’re pretty much obsolete for military use.

  • d s

    Why a 2.5″ chamber??

    • salty

      go measure a 556 lower and tell me how you are going to fit a shell that long into it… ok. lemme restate. it will fit with a polymer mag easier, with thicker wall thickness and more reliable feeding…

      • d s

        Then why not go the extra inch

        • salty

          because. it. cant. physically. work. reliably.

    • gunsandrockets

      Why? Because a 3 inch shell is too long to feed through an AR-15 magazine well.

      • d s

        Yes a 3″ 410 case is actually 3 1/2 ” after firing. Thanks.

  • thomas

    Now make it take 45LC and we have a sweet carbine and pig gun.

    • corey

      This will never shoot a 45LC… The pressures involved would tear it apart. The only way a Judge handles both is because it was designed for 45LC and accommodates .410. Something designed for .410 will not accommodate 45LC. Besides the pressures, a .410 barrel is too small for 45LC.

  • Bruce Richards

    Would love to see this in a legal pistol version. Perfect back up, and home defense. Take my money….

  • Rock Island Auction

    Claims of “no sporting purpose” coming in 3… 2…

    • salty

      nope, doesnt matter. already been here before as t14, and remeber, after ATF anti saiga “sporting purpose investigation” saigas got less restrictive not more, ie, pistol grip allowed from russia, etc. so, sporting purpose is less of a thing at this point in history vs more…

      • Christopher Ati-importmanager

        Besides, its not an import, we’re making them at our facility in SC.

        • valorius

          Awesome, more jobs, make america great again! 😉

          • Christopher Ati-importmanager

            20 of us relocated, we are now over 70 strong!

          • valorius

            And growing, we all hope.

    • corey

      You can trap shoot with it, that’s a sporting purpose…

  • Mark Apsolon

    I have yet to see an AR shotgun that runs reliably . Maybe this will be different… Who even makes a reliable one will get my money first.

    • Christopher Ati-importmanager

      So would we, that’s why this has taken so damn long. One of our biggest challenges is that 2.5″ 410 cartridges can be anywhere from 2.5 to 2.75, and if they’re a little over 2.5 no go. We’re actually working right now on identifying specific brands that run the best with the system.

  • Christopher Ati-importmanager

    So, I apologize if I’m bursting any bubbles here and its great to see you all enthusiastic, but the MSRP is actually $599.95. Apologies if there was an error by someone in the booth.

    • valorius

      That MSRP should equate to about $500 in the real world.

    • Sledgecrowbar

      For the complete gun? That’s a good number. Still hopeful that it will be offered as an upper, though.

      • Christopher Ati-importmanager

        Eventually we will but I don’t know the release time frame for that quite yet, we want to get the first batches as full guns out there first. Building right now.

  • corey

    They announced this at SHOT the last two shows, and it’s been vaporware. Unless it was available at range day, I’m not convinced it will be available this year.

  • corey

    And, it still isn’t listed on their website… Vaporware.

  • valorius

    I’d remove the flash suppressor on this to cut down the length a few inches.

  • Sledgecrowbar

    Holy balls.

    • It’s a pain in the hump to find it now because Google sucks at parsing forum posts, but someone on SomethingAwful’s TFR subforum had a protracted and well-documented fight with ATI’s luridly terrible customer service over this exact explode-a-bolt, which did in fact cause hand/arm injuries and as I recall left some life-flashing-before-your-eyes gouges on the eye pro he was wearing.

      • corey

        That looks exactly like what I would expect to see happen if someone tried to load a higher power round than a .410 into a T14. I seriously doubt a .410 round did that. And I’ve never heard a word of this story from any legitimate source or the ATF.

  • Sledgecrowbar

    “Inexplicably heat-treated stainless” indeed. This failure looks exactly like a bad heat treat (actually it reminds me of someone trying to make a bolt out of pot metal…) but the catastrophic failure is just so huge, makes you wonder if the bolt lugs all broke off at once or he kept shooting it after the first one broke off, in which case it was a legitimate torture test, but not worthy of repercussion like that, If it was legit, glad the guy eventually got compensated.

  • corey

    Seems to have enough details to have some legitimacy however the part about having to sent it to the BATF because it had M16 alike fire controls seems a stretch since as long as it doesn’t have an auto-sear that really means nothing. I have M-16 style BCG in just about every AR I own and that’s perfectly legal according to the BATF. So I still am somewhat skeptical about the story. I mean why didn’t the owner sue ATI then? He could have used the 3 grand as a retainer for ar lawyer if he didn’t sign any type of agreement in order to get the money and he obviously still has a bone to pick with ATI even after getting the money.

    • Christopher Ati-importmanager

      Well, as always, there’s 2 sides to every story, as soon as I read the part about the M16 parts I said the former customer’s name out loud. But, the gun in the above listed incident was not a 410. It wasn’t even an import. It was an AR made for us under variance by a manufacturer in PA that we were having Adams Arms pistons installed on. That specific incident was from 2011. And it was a bad heat treat by a manufacturer in the US who is no longer building guns because of reasons.

      • corey

        Understood. I guess I assumed the question was related to the product reviewed and therefore assumed .410. (no ASS-U-ME comments required). Glad to hear though that the manufacturer in question is no longer building guns (or parts I hope)… I’m not sure that settles the question with the OP, but as much as this all still peaks my curiosity I doubt any more details will follow, so it settles it for me as far as the topic of this thread is concerned.

        • corey

          However, you might explain what made under variance actually means and why it’s important you mention it, and what ATI did afterward to avoid this type of thing ever happening again…

          • Christopher Ati-importmanager

            ATF allows companies to have other companies build guns for them in their name, which requires that company to have a marking variance issued by the ATF. Essentially, we were purchasing some parts for the guns from other suppliers (i.e. Adams Arms Piston Kits) and the manufacturer in PA was making some of his own parts like the lowers, uppers, barrels & BCGs, and then doing the assembly on the guns for us. But the guns said ATI, Rochester NY on them because we had the variance in place. In turn for that and owning the parts the manufacturer/assembler were using, we were then liable to pay the federal excise tax to the government and the actual manufacturer was not. Following this experience first with this guy in PA and then later with Head Down Products, we moved all QC and actual assembly into our NY facility, which we then of course expanded once we got to SC. Now we have close to 40 in house assemblers, laser engravers, rockwell testers, a QC department (we sent back a lot of BCGs last year as well) and have just purchased our own CNCs and the stuff that goes with them to actually produce some of the more critical parts ourselves instead of relying on vendors. If you ever find yourself in Summerville, I’d be glad to show you around 🙂

          • corey

            For those of you not involved in manufacturing, what Christopher just outlined above is what is commonly known as a “corrective action”. That is what a responsible company does to resolve a problem once it’s identified it. The only thing I might suggest as my own opinion is that ATI become an ISO registered company to show their commitment to continuous improvement. Doing that is a pain in the ass, I know, but that may help with any lingering reputation issues.

  • LGonDISQUS

    Oh gosh, can someone remind me when you can buy this just as an upper and magazine?

    Serious.

  • LGonDISQUS

    Lugs on that done bolted away! *ba dum tssh*