FOR SALE: Colt M16A1 Full Auto Lowers $499ea

In an American gun-lover’s dream world, the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 and the Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA) of 1986 would be repealed. Among other regulations, both laws control and restrict the transfer and making of fully automatic firearms. As such, ordering a M16A1 lower to an FFL in the United States by an individual is nothing short of impossible.

So when a Gunbroker listing popped up advertising seven vintage M16 Colt 3-hole lowers for under $500 each – “discreet PayPal accepted” – my suspicion radar went way up. Sure enough, the listing is from Sweden, not the USA.

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From the M16A1 Gunbroker Ad Listing:

This is a listing for 7 M16a1 Colt manufactured full auto lowers. Each purchase is for 1 of the 7 lowers. they are 3 holed for a auto sear and in great condition for their age. Please look at the picture for condition

WORLDWIDE shipping cost is 25$ for registered parcel with tracking number and insurance. Worldwide includes all US states, Canada, Norway, Zimbabwe and the rest of the world.

Please check your countries laws before purchasing. Item located in Sweden

Delivery time is usually 1-2 weeks but some countries might take up to 4 weeks.

Payment options are: Discreet paypal or international wiretransfer.

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I love the surreal Sesame Street backdrop.

No, I will not including a link to the actual listing, and even though shipping to the states is advertised as only being $25 and “no FFL required”, I strongly suggest that you resist the urge to attempt adding one of these lowers to your collection. The two possible exceptions are: 1) you are a licensed importer/exporter with the proper ITAR licensing requirements or 2) you are an individual interested in spending a lot of time in federal prison.

NOTE: The President of the United States has the ability to temporarily open up the NFA registry as an “amnesty period” allowing new machine guns to be added and lawfully transferred to citizens. Hint, hint POTUS-Elect Trump, my birthday is coming up soon.





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  • Andrew

    What’s the worst that could happen? #YOLO

  • Frank

    I mean if you wanted to have a full auto ready receiver wouldn’t it easier to just drill a third hole yourself on a regular lower, if you were doing it on the downlow, all hypothetical of course.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      Certain lowers would definitely require additional machining; others though may not…

    • noob

      There’s a thing called a lightning link or drop in auto sear which can be made from scrap metal with a punch and file that turns the semi position into full auto on your ar15.

      Oddly enough if the drop in auto sear is registered as a transferable “machine gun” it suddenly becomes worth many, many more times its weight in gold.

      • HSR47

        It’s a bit more complicated than just making the DIAS or LL: A DIAS requires an M16 FCG (minus GI sear), and a LL requires an SP1 bolt carrier.

      • jay

        $25,000.00 to $35,000.00 for a registered transferable auto sear.

  • USMC03Vet

    ATF honey pot. It’s so sweet but so bad.

    • Audie Bakerson

      I’d love to see another agency try ordering these as a sting and watch the chaos.

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        I’m surprised the ATF hasn’t tried ordering them and conducting a sting on themselves.

        • glenn cheney

          Last time they did that they GOT CAUGHT.

  • DataMatters

    If the US really was a free country regular people would be able to own, buy and sell these with no restrictions.

    • Koolhed

      Yes. When I see a rack full of FN Mag 58’s at my local WalMart gun section, I’ll KNOW that America is truly great again.

    • Sam Green

      If you don’t believe the USA is a free country, I suggest taking a trip to Saudi Arabia and try ordering a beer at any restaurant.

      Or, try letting your wife drive the rental car and see what happens. And that’s a ‘moderate’ Muslim state.

  • Jeff Smith
  • I didn’t know Sweden even had a honey industry, but that’s a whole pot full right there.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Well done.

    • Assange

      Just ask Assange…

  • Audie Bakerson

    I gave my congressman the points for NFA repeal in person Saturday. Hopefully it’s just his staff that are constitution hating jerks.

  • Kiwishooter

    #3 you don’t live in the USA.

    • Tuulos

      Not really, as the guy is charging extra for those.

  • Truth Speaker

    Seems legit.

  • valorius

    Nah, this couldn’t possibly be a sting operation by the ATF…

    • Lo Andy Kruth

      Its most likely not, but i dont think this person has thought it through.
      Im swedish,if i sell items to americans that are restricted in the USA wont that mean i am persona non grata in USA?

      • valorius

        If there’s an extradition treaty you could get shipped to the US and charged for NFA violations, i really don’t know what would happen, but i doubt it’d be good.

  • TheBest

    Nice try, ATF.

  • Ryfyle

    You know what would be great for Colt? If the NFA got repealed and they can sell their surplus full autos.

    • Doom

      I doubt colt has any surplus full autos laying around. Now the Military on the other hand via the CMP…Wow, I better stop before I pop… ouch…

      • Ryfyle

        Strange times. A fun thought though, wandering toward a Nation Guard Armory with a grand in hand for an old M16.

  • noob

    Hmm who do these german guys sell to usually? I did not know of a private european market for full auto.

    • iksnilol

      Well, funny thing is, in most of Europe AR lowers aren’t regulated (we usually regulate stuff that is actually important to the function of the gun and hard to make, like the bolt or barrel). So might be collectors and whatnot buying the,

      • noob

        so if you were in europe and mated a registered barrel to a full auto lower…?

        • iksnilol

          I’d reckon you’d commit a crime since a full auto firearm is illegal.

        • Tuulos

          I have one installed on my V22 rimfire upper. As long as I don’t install full auto capable trigger group it is a semi-automatic rimfire rifle. At least here the third hole doesn’t instantly turn it into a fully automatic assault rifle. I’d assume the case is similar for most of the other European countries. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c7915e14855a47a38d37ea67dded4acd339a96254203c4f2e54890a673f2ef70.jpg

          Also I’ve had no trouble with Zib-militaria.

          • Henrik Bergdahl

            The crime is that luvo upper. I have one myself and the feeding issues are real… If you know of a supplier of good magazines please tell me.

          • Tuulos

            Black Dog V22 magazines work for me. I also went the smart route and bought the upper used from a guy that fixed the problems on it.

          • Henrik Bergdahl

            I have 2 of those and it just feeds the first 10 rounds. Then I have problems 🙁 I did have a gunsmith fix most of the issues. What ammo do you use?

          • Tuulos

            Remington Subsonic as mine has an integrated suppressor. Alternatively cheap bricks that local store happens to have.

  • Björn Pfi

    I don´t think this is a honey pot. You can buy these lowers here in germany for 150€ without any regulations. I think there is a guy over there in sweden who wants to make some fast money.

    • Lo Andy Kruth

      Yap, he bought them for like 199$ and sells them for a little more 😉

      And he most likely doesnt want to visit USA ever.

  • Claus Økær Holdt Hansen

    The funny thing is, in most European countries are we able to buy anything else than the barrel 100% legally.
    Reciver’s doesn’t need to be cut or anything.

    • Lo Andy Kruth

      In what eu country can you buy a glock frame without a license for example?

  • In Sweden three parts of a firearm is considered vital and needs a license: The barrel, the bolt and receiver. The receiver is defined as the part of the weapon housing the area where the bolt locks against the barrel. So, an AR-15 upper is a serial numbered part requiring a permit, but a lower is just scrap metal. You could theoretically attach a full auto lower as long as it only as a single fire trigger group, but I wouldn’t want to be the person testing that legal issue.

    Sadly we can’t have deactivated firearms without a permit as any part of a weapon that’s fired at least one round is considered a firearm no matter how many pieces you cut it into or how you deactivate it. :/

  • jerry young

    It’s a shame there are so many hoops to jump through here in America just to own a full auto firearm, this would be one of the ones I would want along with a Thompson and a BAR, ok I want at least one of any gun but that wont happen but it would be nice, anyway I carried the M16A1 while I was in the Army and am currently working on building a look alike AR15, of course it will not be full auto and will not be drilled with the dreaded third hole, as far as markings I am looking for someone local that can reproduce a reasonable facsimile, I’m slowly collecting the parts to make it look like one

  • Blake

    Zimbabwe?

  • “But ATF officer, I was just trying to shave off a few grams from my sub-6lb rifle build, I swear!”

  • glenn cheney

    The mention of the word Trump makes this a political article.
    I posted yesterday’s effective date, 1/16/17, new revised FFL FORM 4473 and what I term the Grannie Get Your Gun Social Security reg. directive effective 1/18/18, tomorrow, has been sent to three desks in the Tower in N.Y., wild guesses accepted, PLUS, contact and response from key NRA contacts.
    The boys are aware and on it. Assumptions that perhaps revisions could be refuted, we’re bolstered by off record quip that ALL CRAP UNDER REVIEW.
    I took that to mean what was later referred to as a 2015 BILL, held up in committee, awaits review, revision perhaps and Paul Ryan at direction of Administration, may disolve ATF and fold it’s duties into multiple agencies incl FBI.
    My previous post days ago in TFB disappeared as soon as I went back to check if it was still standing. It wasnt.
    TFB, is we is or is we isnt, gonna have these relevant discussions, or bull chit ringer articles with subversive agendas TRACKING SOME LEGAL PISTOL from U.S. to Europe, where EU laws across the Union find that single hand gun then illegal and the conclusion AMERICA is responsible for arming citizens in EU countries.
    Hell, Bengahzi was an assassination, a hit, to cover up GUNS FOR ISIS, like guns for Contras.
    Let’s get real around here.
    I hope laws are recinded, ATF is eliminated in cost savings and it’s more relevant duties are as intended at this time and
    transferred to two agencies, FBI and another.
    I’ll paste this post to archives, and sAve plus forward to Sen. Sessions attention.
    The gloves are gonna drop some weight.
    Have a good day gentlemen.

    • DIR911911 .

      no, the mention of someone’s name DOESN’T make it political since that would be a birthday wish no matter who was president. I ain’t even going to waste my time reading all the rest of your babble since you aren’t open to understand something as simple as that.

      • glenn cheney

        We and this country are moving forward. I’m pleased you ride on the back of the wagon looking at where we are and been.
        Those of us informed, are bright eyed, busy tailed, and looking forward.
        Stick your babble.

  • glenn cheney

    There is a Bill held in committee ready NOW, to be called out that will do just that AND MORE.
    We are awaiting guidance on the measure, there exists much support and will only need a glance to Wrench Prebi to Ryan from the New Sheriff and things will start moving.
    Priorities are the rule of the day, patience to all grasshoppers. a new day is coming, far more comprehensive than known publically.

    • Audie Bakerson

      Bill number?

      • glenn cheney

        I posted all that, TFB pulled, guess they want us to work for it.
        I’ll have to dig it up, it’s a 2015 bill, of record. Held up in committee.
        Right now, I’m covering half as dozen items. Most worrisome right now is GCR’s.
        I seem to cause anxst whenever I do more than lurk.
        I do not spin, b.s., or misinform.
        I, like all U.S. citz here, likewise hold baited breath.
        Where this ends up, my “guess” is no better than yours.
        Those holding 25k machine guns may find their brass to grass short on value if prices collapse due to resets on availability.

        • Doom

          boy if there is another amnesty….

      • glenn cheney

        From Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner’s office: 1/13/17

        Today, Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner reintroduced the ATF Elimination Act, legislation that would dissolve the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and merge its exclusive duties into existing federal agencies.

        Additionally, the Act calls for an immediate hiring freeze at the agency and requires the Department of Justice (DOJ) to eliminate and reduce duplicative functions and waste, as well as report to Congress with a detailed plan on how the transition will take place. Further, it would transfer enforcement of firearms, explosives and arson laws to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and illegal diversion of alcohol and tobacco products would be transferred to the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA).

        Under this bill, the DEA and FBI would be required to submit to Congress a plan for winding down the affairs of the ATF after no more than 180 days, and field offices, along with other buildings and assets of the ATF, would be transferred to the FBI. It would have one year to report excess property to the General Services Administration (GSA).

        • Audie Bakerson

          Kills the ATF but folds them into the FBI and keeps all their powers.

          • glenn cheney

            Audie, ” and keeps all their powers.” Not so fast, executive order may have to be the “order of the day” perhaps initially, but, The new admin would not bother to make any changes to the status of the ATF as an agency unless there were WHOLESALE CHANGES coming down the pike.
            We can speculate, and I have some ideas of my own….Imo, no one will grouse in what “we” get. Obama i the waning hours, directed these changes to tighten the ropes, indeed, to poke the “bear.”
            The Bear is awake and eyes the honey jar!
            Consider this a start, reg’s will be pulled, some de-emphasized. Long run, the INTENT is to as much as possible, restore the SECOND AMENDMENT, irrespective of the perceived collateral damage to bureaucratic worms. Cheers!

        • glenn cheney

          The Hearing Act is said to be 3 to 1 odds for passage, and has leaked into the hey, why don’t we just…..wing….Sensenbrenner is high standing committee member, his Bill already “LOCKED and LOADED,” all his committee has to do is amend as “suggested” by DOJ/Sessions, advise Speaker Ryan they “ready on the left, ready on the right…READY ON THE BILL FIRING LINE.”
          Save your tax stamp money on supressors, I have an inkling they will soon be a much cheaper item at the point of sale. Wal-Mart, here wez come!

        • DChrls

          Getting rid of the ATF would be a good thing IMO. They seem to have a few Bernard “Barney” P. Milton Oliver Fife’s in the Administrative positions.

    • datimes

      It may be a new day but I’m not holding my breath..

  • Spear Fish

    This is nothing new, most European countries consider the barrel and/or bolt the controlled gun parts NOT the receiver. He states in his ad “Please check your countries laws before purchasing”. Been like that for as long as I can remember. Wackiest country is New Zealand, anyone can own a full auto just NOT live ammo! You can shoot them with blanks but not live ammo. Figure that one out.

    • A bearded being from beyond ti

      Really? That sounds like fun…

    • duh

      Most European countries consider every part that is proofed a controlled part, AND the part that has the serial, which usually means the Lower Receiver.

  • glenn cheney

    Face to face is best always, as higher up you go in staff gets you pro-pol-worms who believe their first job number one is to INSULATE your Congressman from the citizenry.
    That is how candidates worth helping hang themselves.
    Sad.

    • Audie Bakerson

      I can very much attest to this.

  • jerome

    Or you could just buy the drilling fixture from a company owned by the ATF…oh sorry, I meant BATFEWXY&z

  • Doom

    Why? Plenty of people own guns in Sweden, though they arent using it on the right kind of animals…

  • myndbender

    Is a 2 hole lower w/the inside milled out to the f/a example’s lower illegal on its own? IIRC I’ve seen the odd semi lower w/the inside appearance of an opened up 3 hole lower factory made.

    • HSR47

      The FCG cavity is certainly an area that you can remove material from in order to reduce weight. The cavity isn’t what makes the MG, it’s the third pin hole.

  • Kefefs

    “In an American gun-lover’s dream world, the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 and the Firearms Owners Protection Act (FOPA) of 1986 would be repealed”

    Are you insane? The Hughes Amendment, yeah. But the entirety of FOPA? What gun-lover wants to go back to the days of being arrested because you decided to transport your legal gun through a crappy state?

    • Cymond

      Sadly, most of the protections of FOPA have been eroded. Just try going through NY, NJ, MD, or CA with a standard AR-15 if you don’t believe me.

      The route from my current home to my hometown passes through MD, and it adds several hours to bypass MD, so I basically can’t take any of my favorite guns when I visit my brother.

  • HSR47

    The point I was making is that it’s not JUST the DIAS/LL that you need.

    Nobody makes SP1-cut carriers anymore; There are gunsmiths that will modify carriers to SP1 specs, but new carriers are not commercially available. Ultimately, this is the ONE thing you need in order to get a lightning link to work.

    As for DIAS, you need more than just a bolt carrier. To put it simply, the way an M16 FCG works is that when you flip to full auto the selector holds the disconnector down (so that it doesn’t grab the hammer), while also pushing the bottom of the autosear forward: When the gun is fired, the bolt pushes the hammer back to the point where it is caught by the autosear; As the bolt carrier returns to battery, the sear trip surface hits the autosear and causes it to release the hammer.

    Thus, a DIAS needs four specific parts in order to function: It needs an M16 trigger, an M16 hammer, an M16 selector, and an M16 bolt carrier (There are an additional 3 springs that are required — one each for the trigger, hammer, and disconnector).

  • glenn cheney

    I posted this release below in a sub-thread, in case anyone is interested.

    From Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner’s office: 1/13/17

    Today, Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner reintroduced the ATF Elimination Act, legislation that would dissolve the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and merge its exclusive duties into existing federal agencies.

    Additionally, the Act calls for an immediate hiring freeze at the agency and requires the Department of Justice (DOJ) to eliminate and reduce duplicative functions and waste, as well as report to Congress with a detailed plan on how the transition will take place. Further, it would transfer enforcement of firearms, explosives and arson laws to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), and illegal diversion of alcohol and tobacco products would be transferred to the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA).

    Under this bill, the DEA and FBI would be required to submit to Congress a plan for winding down the affairs of the ATF after no more than 180 days, and field offices, along with other buildings and assets of the ATF, would be transferred to the FBI. It would have one year to report excess property to the General Services Administration (GSA).

  • Audie Bakerson

    That doesn’t repeal the NFA, it just merges the ATF into the FBI.

    • glenn cheney

      This is true. I’m sure there are improvements in someone’s mind.
      DOJ will sort it out. We shall ascertain.

  • Benjamin Goldstein

    Well petition your new POTUS too have a amnesty registration… Im sure you could easily get 1 million signatures together.

  • Ron Walsh

    I know there is a company in Germany that sells all sorts of FA lowers, for the M16, G3, AK, etc. I guess it is no big deal over there. I would love to be able to order up a few of these.

    • Lo Andy Kruth

      There are swedish people who would love to be able to order a upper (which require a license in sweden)

  • DanGoodShot

    I feel like the grubby kid who’s standing outside a candy shop watching through the window as the other kid opens his brand new candy bar. As he sinks his teeth into it as a single tear slowly makes it way down my cheek to the tip of my chin… ‘sniff’ sniff’…

  • Lo Andy Kruth

    No he isnt, the lower is a non license item in sweden.

    • Henrik Bergdahl

      Yes, but that counts as a controlled military item. There has been people that have gone down for this before. The crime was: “grovt brott mot lagen om krigsmateriel”. An ordinary lower would have been ok though.

      • Lo Andy Kruth

        Not for selling a full auto capable ar15 lower no henrik.

    • Henrik Bergdahl

      Basically what this person is doing is smuggling materiel for war. That is a crime.

      • Lo Andy Kruth

        It’s not a crime in Sweden to sell these lowers to another person no mather what country that person is in BUT im quite sure you will end up on a no fly list to USA.

        • Henrik Bergdahl

          No, people have gone to jail in Sweden for this. An ordinary lower would not have been a problem, but this is considered war material.

          • Lo Andy Kruth

            No people have NOT gone to prison in sweden for selling a full auto capable lower reciever.

            Same thing with a full auto converter for a glock.

            Only crime in sweden occurs when you mount either of them on a gun without a license giving you the right to do so

            You can own both and you can sell both.

          • Henrik Bergdahl

            Do a google search for: “Raimo Huolman”. He had an online store where he sold M16 lowers and Glock fire selector backplates. He went to jail for this.

  • Capman911

    On most rifles and shot guns the serial number is stamped on the barrel not the receiver. It’s harder for the average person to make, rifle and true a barrel. But the AR parts are for some reason different. As you can legally buy all of the parts very cheap to make a completed ar except the lower receiver which has the serial number on it. You can buy a 80% lower and mill it yourself and you have an operational ar. It becomes a ghost gun. So who is getting screwed here, I think it’s the atf for serializing the wrong part. So thank you atf for your oversight. lol

  • Jr Dirty

    7/10 for effort ATF.

  • Bob

    I was going to say, the ATF will be all over you if you don’t give them their $200 for the FED tax stamp, and jump through all the hoops.

  • GR Arnold

    REPEAL THE DAMN FULL AUTO BAN THEN !!!

  • macabre12345 .

    The president isn’t allowed to amisty anymore because of 922(0) 1986 was the cut off date. No machine guns will be registered after that. The elected congress knows better than to repeal the NFA. The gangster guns were banned because of their widespread use by criminals prior to 1934. Including short barrel shotguns used by people like Clyde barrow. They just outgunned police or paid them off. (north Hollywood shootout) You now you have criminals who don’t want anything they just kill as many people as possible with the best weapons they can get. They won’t ever pass a bill allowing it or other NFA weapons.

  • macabre12345 .

    Sweden has worse gun laws. It would be harder to get licensed to even own a gun than NFA registration. The only difference here is a market set cost. If people are asking for that or using Europe as an example of gun ownership I don’t know what to say.