Nosler Releases The Brand New 22 Nosler | Fastest .22 Cartridge For The AR-15 Platform |SHOT 2017

 

Early this morning I woke to a brand new press release detailing the latest factory produced wildcat-style cartridge offered by our friends over at Nosler. They claim that the new cartridge will boast velocities that rival the 22-250 cartridge while fitting into an AR-15 platform.

The only thing required to swap to the new 22 Nosler cartridge is to swap the upper for one chambered in the new speedy cartridge and switch over to 6.8 magazines (notice I didn’t say Six8.) The new 22 Nosler should perform well against small game, varmints, and even larger game like deer while using a platform that most shooters know and love with a familiar control layout.

I posted the press release at the bottom of this post so that you can read it yourself. CLICK HERE to learn more about the 22 Nosler as well as Nosler’s other offerings.

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Bend, Ore—January 17, 2017— Nosler Inc. announced today the release of the 22 Nosler®, a new cartridge designed to transform any standard AR-15 into the fastest, most powerful .22 caliber available for the platform, with the least amount of modification. The new addition to Nosler’s cartridge family, which also features optimized 6.5mm, 7mm, 30 caliber and .338 magnum class rounds, delivers 30% more energy and is nearly 300 fps faster than a 223 Remington/ 5.56 NATO .

Born from the idea of creating the most powerful .22 caliber centerfire cartridge that would readily function in the AR platform, the 22 Nosler’s case design takes advantage of the AR-15’s unparalleled modularity, making the conversion from a standard 223 Remington/ 5.56 NATO to the 22 Nosler® simple, requiring only a swap of the upper to the new chambering and switching out to a 6.8 Rem SPC magazine. This effortless two-step retrofit will allow shooters to experience the 22 Nosler’s lightning fast, hard-hitting performance, while still being able to use their existing 223 bolt carrier group.

Approaching 22-250 velocities in a significantly smaller package, the 22 Nosler® yields nearly 25% more capacity than the 223 Rem/ 5.56 NATO making the round capable of pushing a 55gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet at 2,950 fps out of an AR-15 fitted with an 18” barrel and a 77gr. Custom Competition® bullet at 2,950 fps.

“The AR-15 is indisputably one of the most popular firearms among shooting enthusiasts across the globe” said John Nosler, Executive Vice President for the company. “While there are other hard-hitting cartridges that exist for the platform, as far as .22 caliber is concerned, nothing compares to the performance of our newly engineered 22 Nosler case. It was important to us that every AR-15 owner could instantly customize their existing rifle to 22 Nosler without any fancy gunsmithing. In keeping with that goal, a simple switch of the magazine and upper will do the trick. With a cartridge innovation this significant, any shooter running other .22 cals in their AR-15, will at the very least, have to reconsider their efficiency.”

The 22 Nosler® is a SAAMI standardized cartridge making for consistent brass and chamber dimensions industry wide. The company will be supporting the new cartridge with Nosler® Brass and ammunition, with plans to chamber their full line of M48 bolt action rifles in 24” barrel configurations in the future. Complete uppers and magazines for 22 Nosler® conversions will be available at major sporting goods retailers nationwide.

22 Nosler® ammunition will initially be loaded in the company’s popular Match Gradeand Trophy GradeAmmunition lines in the following offerings:

  • Nosler® Trophy Grade Ammunition— 55gr. Ballistic Tip
  • 3,500 fps (24” SAAMI test bbl) | 3,350 fps (18” gas-op semi auto)
  • Nosler® Match Grade Ammunition— 77gr. Custom Competition
  • 3,100 fps (24” SAAMI test bbl) | 3,350 fps (18” gas-op semi auto)


Patrick R

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  • Shankbone

    I Ike the look of it, but if they made it in 10mm and it took Glock mags.

    • Bear_The_Grizzly

      You are my hero.

    • Ebby123

      So much salt in that comment I just got my sodium intake for the year…

  • yodamiles

    77gr. Custom Competition
    3,350 fps for 18” ???
    I’m pretty sure that is a typo.

    • Jaune Arc

      Definitely a typo. In the release:

      “…AR-15 fitted with an 18” barrel and a 77gr. Custom Competition® bullet at 2,950 fps.”

  • User

    Complete SH*** Nose Ogive! Velocity will bleed away insanly quick! Low form factor = verry low efficiency.

    • User

      * BTW, ive seen 62grain M855A1 EPR at 3303fps! = over 2000J

    • Ebby123

      Er… you are aware that’s a characteristic of the BULLET, not the cartridge, right?

    • FarmerB

      And who cares? I (like many others) have shot tens of thousands of 55gn Nosler BT’s and it will kill varmints (and bigger stuff) like crazy.
      Sure, I’m launching it with a .22/250 but that’s what varmint hunter go for – speed and laser trajectory. To me, this thing is too slow.

      • User

        Yes, i know what you mean, its an allright varmint etc round. So while having low efficiency, its a good varmint etc round fitting into the Ar15.

  • The .22 Nosler looks like a throwback to the 1963-vintage .224 Winchester E5 experimental cartridge. You can see a factory drawing of the cartridge on Page 65 of “The Black Rifle” by R. Blake Stevens and Edward C. Ezell.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a7824cd70dd1ec00e1cf340f7495035141a25bae69bd5b324ea4ab885b0f0b99.jpg

    • User

      Yes the rim looks interesting, but as stated the form factor is hilarious and will cause verry fast velocity bleed.

      • Ebby123

        Becaaaaause… You can’t tell the difference between a cartridge and a projectile?

        When someone makes it their mission in life to trash a new product (IE: posting the same unsupported sh*t-talk 4 times in one thread) I start to get a little suspicious.

        …well, OK, I get annoyed, THEN I get suspicious.

        • User

          Sry, im just saying the form factor is bad which makes a bullet really inefficient. The cartridge is designed for that nose ogive lenght, therefore its not the bullets fault but the cartridge’s.

          Its not my mission, i just say my opinion, which in that case simply is directed on this certain detail that makes the cartridge highly inefficient.

          • FarmerB

            Blame the AR action length then.

          • User

            I do. The action lenght should have been made longer from the beginning, with longer ogives you get more case capacity and incredible enhanced external ballistic. The diameter 5.7 (5.56) is a really good one with the right form factor. Eighter ballistic knowledge wasnt ready, or existing technology overlooked.

          • Kivaari

            BUT, it wasn’t. It was built to the state of the art to accommodate what the army wanted at the time. So if you wish for a longer action, buy an AR10.

          • User

            I know, thats what im saying, and no i wont buy an Ar10.

          • Kivaari

            But it is no different than the .223 as far as bullets go. As long as the rate of twist is proper it will handle all the bullets a .223/5.56mm will handle. If you have a good .22 bullet for the .223, all you get is a good bullet starting out faster. That doesn’t seem to be a bad thing. Since it is suitable for 77 gr. bullets it seems like a real smoking round. I used to use the .22-250, but to get optimum performance I had to load it down to the same velocity as this load. And there wasn’t anything wrong with that performance.
            Highly inefficient – seriously. It’s giving an extra 300 FPS for the same bullets. That makes it a longer range rifle than the .223 – AND it all fits into the AR platform. So just what do you want? This can fit within the AR platform and doesn’t need a new bolt. The 6.8 could use the same case treatment – but it wont be called the 6.8mm. Watch how fast this becomes a 6mm-.22 Nosler. This is going to be wildcatted into just about every bore diameter.

          • User

            The velocity bleed will slow it down fast. I never sayd the .223 has a good form factor in comperasion, its the same bullet. Im only saying even tough its an ok cartridge, its really not that amazing.

    • Ebby123

      Nothing is new under the sun, but the incremental improvements caused by new technology can make previously failed ideas become suddenly viable again.

      • I suspect, but cannot prove that the .224 Win E4 and E5 were offered up as potential solutions to the velocity/pressure mismatch found during US military testing of the .223 Remington/5.56x45mm cartridge in 1962-’63. A certain portion of this issue tracked back to Colt tightening the AR-15’s chamber throat dimensions to even smaller than the SAAMI specifications for the civilian .223 Remington, much less than what we expect from a Mil-Spec 5.56mm chamber. The rest came down to the twitchy lot-to-lot variations of IMR 4475, which became apparent once DuPont and Remington were no longer able to cherry pick production lots. This issue even carried over to 7.62mm NATO production using IMR 4475.

        • User

          True. Btw why is it called .22 even tough its .224?

          • Centerfire .22 cartridges using 0.224″ diameter projectiles host a wide range of nominal diameter designationd, running from .218 to .225. Just to choose one of each, you’ve got the .218 Bee, .219 Zipper, .220 Swift, .221 Fireball, .222 Remington, .223 Remington, .224 Weatherby Magnum, and .225 Winchester.

          • User

            Yes, just doesnt seem to make sence to me.

          • A lot simply comes down to marketing.

          • Kivaari

            It is just a name. This is essentially a 5.56x45mm round. It simply can’t use the metric name considering it is a different case. Therefor a new name. Like the .244 Remington (6x57mm) and the 6mm Remington (6x57mm) they are the same but needed new names to denote the different rifles suitable for the use.

          • David169

            You forgot the 22 Savage High Power with its .228 diameter bullets. I have an old M-99 takedown in 22 Savage and a second barrel in .410 bore 21/2″. Ackley also made a lot of wildcats with .228 bullets. I almost had a 22/06 made until I found out about the barrel life of less than 500 shots. It used a 160 grain .228 bullet.

          • That’s why I specified 0.224″ projectiles.

            You also have centerfire .22 cartridges using 0.223″ projectiles. These were meant for use with converted .22 rimfire barrels as in the original .22 Hornet, or meant for dual use firearms like the .22 Remington Jet and its parent S&W Model 53 revolver.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            You left out 2 of my favorites 22 Hornet an 22 Ackley improved Hornet. Reloading improved version is always fun case life is rather poor. Dam fine accurate round .

          • Like I said, I was only using one example of each nominal diameter. A comprehensive list would have been far longer, and I still would have missed more than a few wildcat.

            Of course, a lot of legacy Hornet rifles are better suited for 0.223″ projectiles, not 0.224″.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Yes Dan I understood you were merely selecting several exsamples. You are correct 3 of the Hornet Bolt action rifles I’ve owned varied from 221 to 223. I have a Marlin lever Chambered in 22 Hornet Bore slugged, 225. Standardization of the Hornet seems a best random. I do love this round with proper load selection it is incredibly accurate even out of a lever. Which is often hard to accomplish. I also like the 22PPk.

          • mrpoohead

            Well let’s hope you understand something – it’ll make a change from nothing on any other subject.

          • maodeedee

            And why isn’t a 38 special called a 357 special?

          • junkman

            Because the 38 Spl came along a lot earlier, it was what the .357 was based on.

          • G

            The cartridge is called “22 Nosler” and not “.22 Nosler”.

            Not a single cartridge that has been standardized by CIP or SAAMI has a name that begins with a decimal sign. “22” in the cartridge name is a model number and not a bullet diameter.

          • Buster Bibb

            Why is a 303 British called a 303 when the bullet is .311 or even .312 inches in diameter??

            223 Remington is a .224 bullet…marketing.

      • Of course, even the .224 Win E4 and E5 were close to a then popular wildcat, the .219 Donaldson Wasp. The Wasp was the hot ticket among early Benchrest competitors and varmint shooters. The biggest difference was that the Wasp used a rimmed case, while the ,224 Win E4 case was rimless and the .224 Win E5 case had a rebated rim.

      • kyle893

        Trounds have a chance then.

  • Aono

    I get that Nosler wants to sell its legacy 77 grainers but I think they missed the boat here on the possibility for heavier, better form factor bullets in .224. Instead of just getting SAAMI approval for 22 Beast, they could have shortened the case and optimized it for longer bullets. The 75 ELD-M for example is not useful in mag length 223, but could be in a shorter case. It has a better form factor than the Berger 105 Hybrid. Instead of a long range .224 challenger they gave us another varmint cartridge. I get it, but we already have so many choices for that. If they had sized it for something like the Berger 90 VLD and let innovation take over from there, I think this could have been interesting.

  • ??

    This looks like a lot of fun to hand load for. Bet you could get some crazy velocity from the Barnes and Hornady lead-free bullets. This would also be a nice cartridge to re-chamber a Ruger American in. I think I have a new project.

  • Ebby123

    Eeeeexcept this article is not talking about projectiles..

    Read… then write…

    • User

      Its not the projectiles fault, its the cartridge design.
      Round lenght – cartridge lenght = nose ogive = good/ or bad FF = high or low efficiency.
      With high efficiency you will verry fast match energy, and than have significantly more as range increases. All that for less barrel erosion, less recoil, less blast, less weight, etc etc.

      • gordon

        The case length is the same as the 5.56×45 and thus the bullets that can be used are the same.

        • User

          Ofcourse it is. But that doesnt make it efficient in any way.

          • gordon

            If you want to use longer bullets in an AR-15, get a .22lbc or .223wssm then.

          • User

            I know. But i right now have no use for that. Theres better ammo coming, i have time.

          • gordon

            I am interested. What are you expecting is on the way?

          • User

            You will see, 1 or 2 years. I am not allowed to give out details, but theyr just insanly efficient.

  • gunsandrockets

    Not sure of the niche this cartridge is intended to fill. What does it do that the .204 Ruger or 6.5 Grendel doesn’t do better?

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      Flies faster than the Grendel, heavier projectile than the .204 Ruger, but that’s not it’s intended niche. It’s intended niche is to satisfy speed demons who worship at the alter of FPS, just like the other “two-digit-Nosler” cartridges introduced in the last few years.

      • Jared Vynn

        To be fair in energy velocity reigns supreme over mass.

        • Sunshine_Shooter

          True, but I’ve recently moved on from super high muzzle velocity in favor of higher retained energy. There’s a reason I switched from a .22-250 to a 6.5 CM.

          • Jared Vynn

            That is where mass makes its comeuppance as it stays constant while velocity is lost to friction. 6.5 CM may be the plateau of long ranged cartridge design for short actions.

          • User

            “plateu”… Exept than 6.5C necked down to 6.2 and 6mm are better… Still high bc due to higher form factor, higher muzzle velocity, flatter trajectory, less wind drift, less recoil.

          • Jared Vynn

            No it is plateau. 6.5 CM is a greater balance of many factors and in real world use has proven superior and much greater adoption.

          • User

            Still, if you create a perfected cartidge (in all aspects) in that class, its absolutly is not a 6.5CM….

          • maodeedee

            I agree. No need to re-invent the wheel al over again by necking down the 6.5 CM to 6.2 or 6mm, and the CM has greater utility as a hunting cartridge and is closer ballistically to the 270 winchester than it is the 243.

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            Could not agree more. 6.5 CM is about as perfect as a short action cartridge can be made.

          • User

            “About as perfect” so an sicnificant therm as perfect is the now the new word for mediocre?
            Even tough compared to what is usually widely known its good yes.

        • maodeedee

          Except that when you trade mass for velocity you sacrifice sectional density and ballistic coefficient.

          • User

            Except with mid weight and high form factor, you have the same bc but low recoil, far better internal ballistics, verry flat trajectorys, lighter more efficient rounds. (which this one ofcourse isnt). Form Factor has incredible advantages over than sectional density with bad form factor.

      • User

        The thing is ,what is best is a cartridge that has both high velocity and adequat form factor, only both together makes a round highly efficient. Which both this cartridge and 6.5Grendel arent. And its hard to do in an Ar15 mag. But theres a way. And this cartridge has missed it, which will result in extrem quick velocity bleed.

        • Kivaari

          Why does getting a starting advantage of 300 fps over the same bullet in a .223 a bad thing? If people want more range than the .223, this gives it to them, all in a package suited for the AR. If you want real performance than it makes sense to buy a bolt action rifle in a bigger caliber. Maximizing the performance of what fits into an AR action is what they were after, and it seems they made it. Using a rebated rim was a practical solution to the bolt problems. Smart. I don’t see why you are smashing the ability to perform so well from the AR. It’s like saying it doesn’t make sense to handload an 8mm Mauser to perform like the military load compared to factory (down loaded) Mauser ammo. There is a point to getting more velocity. Your complaints seem misplaced.

          • User

            Im just saying way more well designed cartridges could been made.
            Yes the rebated rim is interesting, i didnt say anything against the rim.

          • Kivaari

            The key is to fit it into the AR package.

          • User

            Thats what im saying. But there really are possibilitys. Even tough rare known.

          • Dan

            Well get to work making your wonder cartridge that lives up to your expectations, then submit all your data and designs to one of the many ammo manufacturers out there and get it into production. And when it get’s featured here we can then have a discussion on your wonder round. We get it you don’t like the cartridge. Your reasons have been noted move on.

          • User

            Im working at other platforms. Even tough yes its an idea. I just drawn a cartridge containing the things ive noted to an incredible high efficieny level, making it possible in an Ar15 action due to use of certain technology and own developments. Even tough its the best possible long range cartridge in an Ar15. I really dont see to much use for it. My main platform has extremly less restrictions and standart performance is higher, without any need for barrel change, bolt change, or less mag capacity. So i will later see when im done with my main projects. If people are interested in the perfected cartridge for the AR15, i dont see much use exept for long range and hunting. Which might be what people want, but im rather into military equipment. Currently i have other interests and use for my limited time. But thanks for the idea.

        • Sunshine_Shooter

          User, your dislike of the .22 Nosler I’d well documented in this section. You are starting to become a fan boy against this cartridge for no reason other than an arbitrary projectile’s profile. Or, more likely, you have some sort of hate against Nosler. Are you a disgruntled employee? Did they steal your idea? Lay off, people are trying to have a discussion.

          • User

            Im just saying its not that of an amazing cartridge.

            I dont dislike Nolser. Dont get me wrong.

      • maodeedee

        Nosler is the new Weatherby.

      • gunsandrockets

        Yeah, that’s my point. If maximum velocity is your game, what does the Nosler do that the .204 Ruger doesn’t do better?

        Not only does the .204 Ruger cartridge produce a screaming high velocity, it fits into standard magazines and actions, and uses less powder (and thus produces less waste heat) than the new Nosler cartridge.

        The only advantage I can think of for the Nosler cartridge is when hand loading. Is that advantage enough to offset the disadvantages?

  • Edeco

    Huh, I like the concept but the numbers don’t seem that great (no, I don’t have empirical data of Hornady Supermatch 5.56 yet). It’s young, whereas 5.56 is very mature, so perhaps if it catches on and loads are refined.

    Do me this in a CZ 527 with 26″ switchable CFC wrapped barrel plz.

  • User

    (this post is obsolte i wrote a second because this did not go released at first, to it could basicly get deleted)

  • uisconfruzed

    Typos?
    The 55 & 77gr rounds go the same speed? “pushing a 55gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet at 2,950 fps out of an AR-15 fitted with an 18” barrel and a 77gr. Custom Competition® bullet at 2,950 fps”

    250fps higher velocity from a shorter gas op barrel?, “Nosler® Match Grade™ Ammunition— 77gr. Custom Competition
    3,100 fps (24” SAAMI test bbl) | 3,350 fps (18” gas-op semi auto)”

    • Bob

      Obviously they didnt read what they were writing

      • Baggy270

        It’s painful reading most of the posts here. Does anyone know how to use correct grammar, correct words or spell anymore?

  • dltaylor51

    We need 22 LRs not another hot rod 22 that we already have covered,If you want to go fast with a 22 get a 220 Swift or a 22-250.

    • Jared Vynn

      22-250 and 220 swift are too long for the ar15 action though. In terms of the ar15 action 22 nosler fills a void that has been empty. Wether or not it needed to be filled is another question.

      • dltaylor51

        Its probably an ok round for the AR platform but what pisses me of is I cant find a box of 300 savage35 Rem. or 250-3000 at any of my local ammo supply places but I can find all these new calibers while we have millions of great rifles hanging on the walls with no ammo.If they would build the new calibers in conjugation with the great old rounds I wouldn’t hate to see a new one pop up so bad.The ammo company’s claim they are running at full capacity to fill demand so untill they can catch up we dont need anymore new rounds that do nothing that hasn’t done before untill they catch up on our already existing rounds.

  • maodeedee

    The nay-sayers are too eager to find fault with this new cartridge. The beloved 5.56/223 has reached the point of diminishing returns as far as case capacity with heavy bullets. It’s good to see that Nosler has developed a 77 grain load as well as a 55 grain load which means that rifles chambered for this round would need to be able to stabilize a variety of bullet weights which means not only greater versatility for the reloader, but a greater long-range potential.

    What this new chambering does is to extend the range beyond which the 223 is effective. At first glance this cartridge is little more than a 22-250 made to fit on an AR15 platform, but with heavier bullets, it has greater range than most 22-250’s with longer ballistically superior projectiles because most 22-250’s have a 1-14 or 1-12 twist.

  • Peatro Giorgio

    Approaching 22-250 velocitis horse crap-Ola ,22 Nosler is any where from 350 -400 fps slower then is the 22-250.

  • Tucson_Jim

    So… I’m to buy a new upper, and 10 new magazines, for an additional 100 fps out of my AR-15 SP1’s… which, with their 20″ 1:12 twist barrels already clock at 3200+ fps with Federal XM193’s and Winchester Q3131… and at under 50-cents a round. If I want to spend $1.50 a round, I could probably buy Federal TRU’s with Sierra Game Kings…

    • Laserbait

      Let’s see your 20″ 1:12 stabilize a 77 grain bullet, and get that velocity.

  • dailyrealist

    Greetings all,
    Interesting for sure. 25% more case capacity than the .223…hmmm, that would make it right up there with my loads for 6BR. Neck this baby up to 6mm, decrease the load a bit so that you are right at 100% load density, pushing a 70grain SMK. This could be a remarkable RF sitting and RF prone load in an AR platform. The platform and cartridge will probably not outshoot my bolt gun, but to have me not working the bolt…….can see a lot more 10s and Xs with this platform.

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    With the rebated rim, does that mean it uses standard .223/5.56 bolts? That would be interesting indeed.

    • Laserbait

      It does use a standard bolt!

  • Buster Bibb

    Really?! Why!!

    We’re talking specialty brass…expensive!! Specialty dies….expensive!!! As if 3,200 + FPS from an AR15 chambered in 5.56/223/223 Wylde for a 55 grain bullet isn’t cutting the mustard anymore??!

    This will be here today….gone in a couple of years…just like the 7mm Short Mag and others….doesn’t make any sense. Just like Savage coming out with yet another…AR15 line which guess what??!! It’s an AR!! Why not just learn how a 5.56 will shoot at effective ranges and just use what is here….and what works. A 30-06 is well over 100 years old…and honestly…it just has been hard to beat and shall always be so….as it as always been said…”If you can’t kill it with a 30-06…it doesn’t need killing”!

    Anyone can do as they so choose….I have built several AR’s in 7.62×39 and one in 300 Blackout. 7.62×39 ammo is easy to come by…300 Blackout sort of is…but you’ll pay dearly for a box of 300 Blackout.

    Now of course I cut and form my own 300 Blackout brass from 223 commercial brass…I also buy Prvi Partizan brass for my 7.62×39 AR’s…I cast my own bullets using the Lee Precision 160 grain TL bullet for both…just size accordingly using gas checks. Chrono’d 300 Blackout @ 2,150 FPS…chrono’d 7.62×39 ammo at 2070 FPS….SAME BULLET!! Is there really that much of a difference? No. Since I have chorno’d factory 7.62×39 ammo at near or slighty higher than 2,400 FPS with 123 grain bullets.

    Buying 1,000 rounds of commercial once fired brass cost if you wait til the specials hit…for free shipping etc or 20% free brass on special….the same for Lake City Grade 1 brass….that’s 10 cents per round for commercial 223 brass normal everyday price or less…just load for what chamber you have.

    More hype…makes no economic sense. As stated…here today…gone in a couple of years.

    Someone mentioned a 6mm x 22 Nosler…..why not just rebarrel a 5.56 AR into a 6mm x 223 (6×45) and use the same mags as a 5.56/223??!!…90 grain bullets at 2,600 FPS!

    Someone has too much time on their hands!

  • oldgrayfox123

    Little confused here. Of course the 223WSSM is somewhat of a dead horse, but you can find brass and ammo if you look hard enough. My Oly Arms 24″ AR upper could easily shoot 55gr bullets @4000+FPS and very accurate.

  • dailyrealist

    User, True x 3, You are right for sure, ogive length will determine limitations regarding feeding and ultimate case capacity due to bullet seating depth. Thinking a bit more about this, in summary to what you say, there are some serious limitations to what can be done regarding the magazine / action space available. Please note that the RF events are at 200 and 300 yards, where really, 223 will do the trick. 600 yard SF prone, single loading we possibly could get past the normal magazine related geometry / COAL issues. We shall see. For now, I stick with my 6mmBR bolt gun.
    regards,

  • Full Name

    Is a 6mm next? Maybe 24 Nosler?

    • Peatro Giorgio

      6mm is 243 or 24 cal. would be no rational reason for a 24 Nosler A 6.5- 260 now we are talking.

  • basinman

    I am hoping they will neck up to larger calibers for this case in the future.

    • User

      The main broblem with necking it up becomes with the same case lenght and action lenght limitation but bigger bullet diameter the nose ogive in caliber lenght decreases and form factor goes to sh** even more, causing extrem velocity bleed and overall inefficiency. Also when incresing the diameter the frontal area increases by ^2 while the weight increses by ^3. This results in eighter a slower bullet for the same projectile when scaled up. Or a underweight thick projectile with hilarious form factor. Necking up is only good for internal ballistics, which doesnt seem that bad from the start wth that cartridge, and pressure reduction doesnt seem needed because you dont use it in fullauto magdumps etc.

      • Peatro Giorgio

        Case neck forming,neck sizing up followed by fire forming eliminates the issue of velocity bleed off .Most of the issues with which you’ve described pertain to exstreme neck sizing up like .223 to .308 or larger.
        From 223 -243 to 260 or even the 6.5mm those issues are only marginally apparent. An grow even less acute the closer one gets to orginal enterior & exterior case neck dimensions

  • jonp

    Is there a varmit out there im not aware of that cant be taken with a 223? If i have to switch top ends and mags for larger game its going to be 300blk or 6.5 not another .22.

    • User

      … this totally outperforms .300blk in terminal ballistic and has longer point blank range. But as clearly noted, overall i think its a really unperfected cartrige in aerodynamic therms. Its 2228Joule and has a far better hydrostatic reaction (flesh tearing), than slow .300blk with 1700-max1850J.
      In therms of varmits a verry flat trajectory is needed at range because theyr so small, 3500fps is good for that, (but as said its not perfect, the short bullet nose lenght causes velocity bleed).

  • disqus_VNhNhKJeMH

    Congratulations, you’ve reinvented the 223 AI and/or the 222 Rem Mag, and need special mags and proprietary brass to use it. If you absolutely need more power in a AR platform w/ a .224 bore, go w/ 22 PPC, need a new bolt head but that’s not a big deal and while still real expensive, brass will be a touch cheaper and easier to find.

  • 1biggun

    your numbers are way off . nice try .
    this is off the nosler site also not the 18″ barrel bing faster than the 24″ OPPs

    Nosler® Trophy Grade™ Ammunition— 55gr. Ballistic Tip
    – 3,500 fps (24” SAAMI test bbl) | 3,350 fps (18” gas-op semi auto)

    Nosler® Match Grade™ Ammunition— 77gr. Custom Competition
    – 3,100 fps (24” SAAMI test bbl) | 2,950 fps (18” gas-op semi auto)

  • 1biggun

    not even close to 22-250 .

  • Hikfromstik

    This fills a very small niche. Nosler should have done something interesting like high bc and high velocity 6mm , 6.2 (.257 ) , 6.5 . The high speed fad past about 5 yrs ago. $28.50 for 20 rds ain’t gonna help this either . This round may sit better with the bolt action crowd that reload . With the price no body will want to load more than 5 or 10 in a mag a once .

  • Chris Lubowski

    Your quoted velocity numbers are all bass akwards…

    “Approaching 22-250 velocities in a significantly smaller package, the 22 Nosler® yields nearly 25% more capacity than the 223 Rem/ 5.56 NATO making the round capable of pushing a 55gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet at 2,950 fps out of an AR-15 fitted with an 18” barrel and a 77gr. Custom Competition® bullet at 2,950 fps.”

    “Nosler® Trophy Grade™ Ammunition— 55gr. Ballistic Tip
    3,500 fps (24” SAAMI test bbl) | 3,350 fps (18” gas-op semi auto)
    Nosler® Match Grade™ Ammunition— 77gr. Custom Competition
    3,100 fps (24” SAAMI test bbl) | 3,350 fps (18” gas-op semi auto)”

    These numbers don’t make any sense… just sayin’!

  • coyote-hunter

    Why?