Steve shared this odd gun sitting in the back window of this pick up truck. Can you identify what this gun is made of? I see a Browning A5 Remington Model 11 inverted but the handguard is relocated. You can see the ejection port and receiver below.  I do not recognize the pistol grip.

Close up

 

The barrel is actually the bottom tube, you can see the extended magazine tube has a front sight attached to the faux muzzle.

close up barel





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  • Graham2

    It’s an MG42 pistol grip.

    • DanGoodShot

      My thoughts exactly.

    • Justin Roney

      It would be slightly hilarious if that thing was a full auto shotgun. Other than the legal ramifications of course.

      • carlcasino

        Just maybe America can return to the idea behind the 2nd A. as envisioned by our Founders– Weapons compatible with current warfare.. Remember the idea was to never allow the People to be in a position of becoming serfs instead of Citizens.

    • Rapace32

      Or à french Anf1 or AA52 machine gun pistol grip

      • Graham2

        Except it’s not though, it’s from an MG42. The French AA52 pistol grip, although very similar to that of the MG42, has different shaped grip panels.

  • Arie Heath

    Good god, Bubba has evolved.

    • iksnilol

      This isn’t Bubba… this is Mad Max.

      • Josh

        I was thinking a homemade halo shotgun but mad max works

        • Wolfgang

          It’s a crossover gun.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      Bubba sent his son to Engineering School, but after a year and a half he dropped out to continue the family business of running shine. He had to have a semi 12ga so he could shoot and drive and the old 1100 just wouldnt do.

    • …into an Ork.

      • J Jac

        Needs more Dakka

        • Thomas Oakheart

          I love how I can always find some dank ass anime and 40k comments on this blog site.

          • txJM

            I don’t.

          • Gregory Allard

            You sucke then

          • txJM

            Well, you’re a smart one, ain’t ya?

        • jamezb

          Dakka-Dakka.

  • wetcorps

    Maybe he wanted a gun on the back window for aesthetics purposes but didn’t want to put a real gun here in case somewone stole it, so he cobbled something together out of spare parts he had laying around.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      I hope thats not true because that would make him an idiot.

      • Bierstadt54

        I think that ship has sailed. A long time ago…

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          Do you not think the gun works? Why?

          • How is the trigger linked to the actual gun? The linkage can’t pass through the shotgun body. That would be one reason to doubt it.

          • jamezb

            Just a bit of redo on the bolt. think in 3D…

          • Blastattack

            The hammer is likely coming through what was the top of the receiver. I don’t see why it wouldn’t work.

          • valorius

            The barrel is misaligned with the receiver, and so is the mag tube. (unless the top tube is the mag and the bottom is the barrel)

          • Benjamin Toombs

            From the article: “The barrel is actually the bottom tube, you can see the extended magazine tube has a front sight attached to the faux muzzle.”

          • valorius

            I admit- i was only oogling the pictures. 🙂

        • iksnilol

          Why are you stupid if you make your own gun?

          I mean, sure it looks weird but as long as it works its far from stupid.

      • jamezb

        I looked at a couple diagrams, and I do believe I can hypothesize how it could work.. I think I’d add a shell deflector, but…neat thingy, huh?

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          Definitely.
          I’m no gunsmith but I do know country boys come up with the damndest sh-t.

  • M.M.D.C.

    I love it.

  • Graham2

    It’s a FAL/Galil style stock but I can’t see this being a functional firearm though.

  • me ohmy

    art gun made to look steam punk…hope that browning was broken..

  • Big Daddy

    I wonder if it works? Very interesting.

  • Mister Thomas

    Someone bought whatever parts were on sale at Apex and made a non-functioning frankengun.

  • MrFN

    Jesus.
    A5 Inverted, over an Mg42/38 lower, with an ACE AK/FAL/Eh stock.
    Really neat if it didn’t look so flippin nasty.

    • Drew

      Dont forget front sight from a 1917 Enfield

    • Stephen Paraski

      Agree it is a FAL type stock. Yugo trigger group.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Why wouldnt it fire?

  • Ripley

    I bet it works great against zombies.

  • Joe Moore

    I would definitely like to know if it is functional

  • Alvar

    Han Solo’s truck.

  • Sianmink

    That’s neat actually.

    I remember the shotgun from HALO had a top-gate and thought that was a neat concept at the time, seems like it would be easier to load.

    • Sean

      I was thinking the same thing! The Halo shotgun always seemed like it would be really easy to load with the top port.

    • Grijnwaald

      I quite agree, it would be pretty awesome if someone did make one, I’ve always wondered why the idea hadn’t been explored; at least not with much effort.

      I believe the Russians experimented with something similar though the loading system wasn’t exactly conventional.

      • SP mclaughlin

        RMB-93, which also pumps forward.

      • Darren Hruska

        Along with the RMB-93, the GM-94 grenade launcher is also of such a layout. So is the South African NeoStead 2000.

      • Amplified Heat

        I actually have a half-finished (needs some polishing/fitting and a safety mechanism) “CAWS M90” look-alike that I cobbled together from an Ithaca M37 Deerslayer police trade-in that’s flipped upside down. The top-loading aspect is *hugely* convenient compared to the normal bottom-loaders. Unfortunately, due to the limitations of retrofitting an existing design, the trigger/grip were shifted back, and with the full-length barrel (no removable chokes so I never cut it) the package is extremely long. Looks like an anti-tank rifle.

        However, the concept works well enough that I’m convinced a clean-sheet effort by a professional would yield a very good fighting shotgun –the real question is whether that is something the market wants (I just wanted a gun that looks cool). If I were to do it again, I’d probably use a left-handed pump gun so ejection would be out the side vs. straight up & forward, even though the Ithaca trumps all other pump shotgun designs.

        TCB

        • Grijnwaald

          I’d love to see that! Are there any pictures of it anywhere?

          • Amplified Heat

            It actually looks really good, if only I would get off my duff & finish the darn thing!

            I had a big thread on weaponsguild (defunct for the time being, unfortunately). I’ll eventually resurrect it elsewhere if that site is down for good. I do discuss the concept of the conversion in an old The High Road thread titled “Fiber-Reinforced Stocks” –I’m guessing links’ll get my post moderated

          • Grijnwaald

            Thanks for sharing, it looks promising. It will be interesting to see the finished product; or if you decide to do it with a left handed shotgun, to see that.You will let me know won’t you?!

          • Amplified Heat

            Check out armorersalliance dot com

          • Dakota Raduenz

            I was on weaponsguild today, was it down in the past? Been looking at AK flats since November.

      • roguetechie

        The Russians actually have two production guns using top mag tube feed gate through top configuration.

        RMB-93 a 12 gauge shotgun version pump action

        Big daddy spetsnaz multi shot pump action grenade launcher actual designation slips my mind however due to their spec war spetz crews loving their thermobaric boom boom I shall temporarily dub thee…

        Spetsnaz setzyerazz onFIRE ROOM BROOM

  • A.WChuck

    Probably just a home made prop to scare the Antis.

    • jamezb

      Man, They get an “A” …if it actually works, they should get job offers!

  • KK

    I would bet that it fires from an open bolt. The trigger group would not be needed. The shell lifter screw is there. The bolt recoil spring is rerouted into the hollow stock tube. The shell is not released onto the lifter until the bolt begins to move forward. Positive feeding into the chamber might be an issue though,

    • Henry C

      I agree. I’m thinking the firing pin is fixed, and the bolt is cut out for the sear on the MG42 grip. And then the recoil spring is reworked into the ace tube.

  • Vhyrus

    Well, I can tell you WHERE that gun is, based on the scenery and vehicle it is somewhere in the southwest US, most likely Arizona or New Mexico.

  • KK

    Amending my point that the original Browning trigger group would not be needed because the bolt could be modified for a fixed firing pin and to catch on the trigger of the MG42 trigger frame in some way.

  • Justin

    I don’t see how that could actually function, the bolt looks about as long as the section behind it. There almost no space for anything to drive the bolt forward for operation.

  • KK

    The recoil spring would be in the stock tube in line with the bolt.

  • LazyReader

    If it defies the laws of physics in it’s operating system it’s either a ray gun or a cobbled together fake put in the window just for show.

  • Michael Lubrecht

    Most likely a Hollywood prop gun of some sort. I don’t see how you could very easily cobble together striker/sear/trigger linkage with that sort of setup – the bolt and bolt carrier bits that interface with the sear would be pointing up, away from the trigger, and there’s no apparent external linkage connecting them and no internal room to put them.

  • kk

    If open bolt, the safety on the MG42 grip would prevent the bolt from being drawn to hold the bolt open and the magazine cutoff feature could be used to prevent a shell from being released if the bolt were cocked.
    I think it could be a working shotgun.

  • KK

    The MG42 just has a simple trigger extension that would catch the bolt in an open position through a slot in the ‘top’, now bottom of the Browning receiver.
    The bolt is captured on rails inside the receiver already.
    If open bolt, fixed firing pin, then a hammer or striker would not be needed.

  • Joe Gamer

    Desire to know more intensifies!

  • A bearded being from beyond ti

    Is that beige colored part some kind of heatshield? Looks like it’s made of foam.

  • KK

    The ‘heat shield’ would be needed to keep your hand off the recoil spring that operates around the barrel in a long recoil action design.
    The actual handguard would be a heat shield in this shotgun.

  • KK

    The recoil spring actually operates around the magazine tube.
    This shotgun has me thinking upside down…lol.

  • KK

    of course if it operates like I think it might, it would be full auto if it would feed the shells.

  • codfilet

    It’s either a non-functioning fanasy piece, or this guy is another John Browning/Eugene Stoner….

  • Bill

    I know it’s in plain view and all, but it seems sort of creepy to be analyzing this guy, or girls’, gun.

    But that’s just me. Mine is always out of sight.

    • I want to mount a gun rack in my imaginary miata’s roll bar. Just for kicks and giggles.

  • Tassiebush

    Inverting the usual barrel to magazine arrangement would help reduce muzzle jump. It’s not unlike selecting the bottom barrel of an under and over to fire first.

  • JBC

    right to left conversion. Probably made from leftover parts and a beater shotgun. The reflective material up front was made to hold the original forend. The mag tube (sight is used to aim bottom barrel) holds the shells on top. Loaded from above and modified (machined, drilled, welded, etc…) to utilize a trigger assembly on the bottom/previous top. What kind and to what extent of parts I am unsure. The final culmination seems to have been prepared and finished with some expertise.

  • KK

    The trigger does seem to have been modified. There is a pin visible in it with an extension going back. There is also an extended channel added to the housing and the rear trigger mount pin hole is not being used. There may be something going on in there that we cant see that would put a hammer behind a closed bolt.
    There are semi modified MG42 triggers but they would not work as designed in this shotgun, but if the hammer was moves further back…..

  • Anonymoose

    Whatever it is, I want one!

  • It is not a Browning Auto 5 but a Remington model 11. The lack of a locking screw on the screw in the middle of the receiver gives it away. The grip is a MG42. The magazine extension looks like an 870 one that has been converted to fit the model 11.

    • Big Daddy

      Cool catch you know your firearms.

    • Nicholas C

      Thanks.

    • William Elliott

      I was thinking the same thing. Stock looks like a modified Ace Skeleton stock. The “buffer tube” should be functional, as IIRC my dad’s model 11, there IS a return spring in the stock. All he did was take the downward cant out of it. Whole assembly is now straight line, which should reduce muzzle climb just like the AR family. If it actually works [I’d like to fondl…errr…examine it] any recoil should be nearly straight back.
      I don’t recognize the front sight mount nor do I see rear sights.

      • jamezb

        I want to fond…er…examine it too.

      • Benjamin Toombs

        It’s difficult to tell but there’s a chance it could be a proper Galil. The butt pad is 90 degrees from the comb which rules out a FAL para stock.

    • Benjamin Toombs

      Remington 870 magazine tubes will fit on Remington Model 11 without modification.

  • ColonelColt

    Woe is the day when our holy Firearms Blog is staffed with people who can’t identify an MG 42 grip.

    • Kenneth Kirkham

      Whats an MG 42?

      • Despicable REM1875 ✓certified

        German WWII machine gun made in 1942 or thereabouts.

        • Kenneth Kirkham

          Thanks.

          • dirtsailor

            Damn, I thought that was sarcasm….

          • Gray2Hairs

            It was, just thanking you for not flaming me 🙂

  • What? It’s my Jackalope huntin’ shotgun.

  • Claus Økær Holdt Hansen

    This thing, actually look rather awesome IMO

  • Swarf

    If I were left handed, I would want one just like it very badly.

    Top loading? Yes please.

    As it is, I only want one a fair bit, and I’d want to TIG on the tab above the trigger myself.

  • .45

    The grip screamed German to me, but I couldn’t place it. Oh well, I fail Firearms Triva Night…

    • Graham2

      You also fail at reading the first comment made! LOL.

      • .45

        No, I read it, I was just sharing my first thought upon seeing the picture.

  • Matthew Cole Canil

    and Bubba is left handed…and somewhat innovative/cheep to buy leftie gun…Probably played HALO CE a bit, in college, honestly 10/10 would hangout and talk guns with him if only to find out more about …this.

    • iksnilol

      I doubt he bought a leftie gun, s/he just got a right handed Remmy and flipped it upside down. Thus the right side charging handle wound up on the left side.

      • Matthew Cole Canil

        that was my point..it would explain the mag tube on top, I actually find the project somewhat charming the joke was innovation/economy. still yes, definitely a right handed gun flipped, and some lovely tampering with fire control

  • Nephilim

    I looked up a cutaway of the Remington model 11/auto 5. The return spring for the bolt is supposed to extend down into the grip of the stock, but I don’t know where the hell it’s supposed to go on this thing.

    • iksnilol

      Around the barrel.

      • Edward Franklin

        That’s already occupied by the barrel return spring being a long recoil shotgun. The Model 11/A5 has a ‘tail’ extending out the rear of the receiver into the buttstock that this thing has obviously relocated into the FAL stock tube.

        • iksnilol

          Isn’t the fal stock tube too small for that?

          • Jaan Q

            The return spring is actually a pretty small diameter. About the diameter of a pencil.

  • LCON

    Looks like something designed by Tusken Raiders.

  • jerry young

    Bubba’s a lefty!

  • William Sullivan

    Pulse rifle, 40 watt range, left handed…

  • Jeremy Laschen

    German grip, could be Japanese but looks like mg42

  • ORCON

    Thousand of years from now people will be asking the same questions we are today. Who made this thing and why?

  • Walter Keller II

    Very Interesting since I have all those parts to make one.

  • Nashvone

    Am I the only one here that grew up on a farm? While there may be a passenger that this would be convenient for, there’s always a driver for a truck gun. The first thing the shooter is going to do is muzzle himself with this contraption when he reaches for it. With an obviously cobbled trigger group, this combination has bad idea written all over it.

    • Nicholas C

      Maybe he rolls IDF style and runs chamber empty?

    • txJM

      Or maybe he’s from Camden, Tennessee…?

      • Nashvone

        Bucksnort.

  • Cal S.

    It could very well be a prop. It’s tough to see, but is there enough space for the charging handle to travel past the ejection port?

  • Scott Roberts

    Just… Wow…

  • glenn cheney

    I’ll take the rest of the missing MG42, but having said that, you can keep everything but the skeleton stock, Star makes them, and another company. I’ll take a dozen to go thank you!

  • glenn cheney

    HEADS UP..GREAT NEWS…….THE TOWER KNOWS, hope it flows.

    NRA now working the S.S. Grannie get your gun b.s., and 4473’s may get a rewrite, but wait, there may be more in store.

  • Benjamin Goldstein

    So someones taken a very early model 11 shotgun, Flipped it upside down, fitted a Greek MG3 grip, XyZ generic stock……. I wonder if it works? Open bolt fun mode 12 gauge… Now only if the guy that took the photo had of done the correct thing, and asked, Can i have a go…

    • ColonelColt

      Why do you think it’s a Greek grip housing?

      • Benjamin Goldstein

        Theres slight differences between the Greek and a 42… Pattern and shape

      • Benjamin Goldstein

        The grip design is a little bit different on a MG3 then a MG42. Unless you actually look very closely, most people would never pick it.

  • jamezb

    Forgive me John Moses, but I like this crazy-assed thingamabob.

    • jamezb

      Hmm. some gunsmithing schools require a prototype for a “final” Might this be a “Mid-Term” proof of concept for 2019’s big new tactamomma?

  • jamezb

    DEAR TRUCK RACK FRANKEN-GUNSMITH.. ITS A SAFE BET YOU CAN GET INTERVIEWED HERE IF YOU’D LIKE..YOU HAVE OUR ATTENTION.

  • Looking at the trigger, there is some sort of strut or lever pinned to it not originally on an MG42. We really needed a pic from the other side. Given the amount of work into this gun, there well could be some sort of attachment to the Rem 11s trigger works.

  • Despicable REM1875 ✓certified

    Finally a gun I don’t have to get, Neat but no desire for one.

  • Blastattack

    I love it. That is the most beautiful retro 50’s style awesomeness that I find very appealing. It looks rugged and functional and totally badass.

  • Pete Sheppard

    Has anyone notified the ‘Star Wars’ prop shop?

  • billinfl

    Besides using that Remington 870 loading tube extension on his Remington model 11, there is another way to get more shells into that extended loading tube.
    First, remove the loading tube and 870 extension completely. Next fabricate a one piece full barrel length loading tube. You would need to do that in order to omit the screw on collar piece on the 870 tube extension since that collar would be in the way for another tube to be attached to the side of the loading tube. Now cut a slot all the way down the side of the new loading tube, except don’t cut the slot all the way to the muzzle end, leave about a half inch not slotted. Also don’t cut a slot all the way to the receiver end of the new loading tube either, because you need room to thread that end to go into the receiver.

    Now get a smaller diameter tube and long spring and cut a slot in it the same way. Now attach that smaller diameter tube to the side of the loading tube so that the slots in both tubes align. The smaller tube houses your spring and part of the follower. The follower extends into the muzzle end of the loading tube. In this way, just like with a ramline Ruger 10/22 mag, you remove the spring from the mag/loading tube, and the spring is now OUTSIDE the mag/loading tube, but still exerts pressure on the shells/cartridges, and since you opened up the space that the spring normally takes in the loading tube, you now have room for 2 to maybe 3 more shells using the same length loading tube but just relocating its spring to another tube on the side of the loading tube. The smaller tube located on the side of the loading tube, would resemble a little the ejector housing on an 1873 Colt peacemaker. Hope everyone understands what I am talking about. Bill Akins

  • billinfl

    I
    love that homemade build. Upside down Remington model 11 12 gauge
    shotgun, using a German MG42 pistol grip and the bolt return spring of
    the Remington model 11 being housed in the top rail of the buttstock.
    Genius.

    But I would add one more thing to it.

    Besides
    using that Remington 870 loading tube extension on his Remington model
    11, there is another way to get more shells into that extended loading
    tube.
    First, remove the loading tube and 870 extension
    completely. Next fabricate a one piece full barrel length loading tube.
    You would need to do that in order to omit the screw on collar piece on
    the 870 tube extension since that collar would be in the way for another
    tube to be attached to the side of the loading tube. Now cut a slot all
    the way down the side of the new loading tube, except don’t cut the
    slot all the way to the muzzle end, leave about a half inch not slotted.
    Also don’t cut a slot all the way to the receiver end of the new
    loading tube either, because you need room to thread that end to go into
    the receiver.

    Now get a smaller diameter tube and
    long spring and cut a slot in it the same way. Now attach that smaller
    diameter tube to the side of the loading tube so that the slots in both
    tubes align. The smaller tube houses your spring and part of the
    follower. The follower extends into the muzzle end of the loading tube.
    In this way, just like with a ramline Ruger 10/22 mag, you remove the
    spring from the mag/loading tube, and the spring is now OUTSIDE the
    mag/loading tube, but still exerts pressure on the shells/cartridges,
    and since you opened up the space that the spring normally takes in the
    loading tube, you now have room for 2 to maybe 3 more shells using the
    same length loading tube but just relocating its spring to another tube
    on the side of the loading tube. The smaller tube located on the side of
    the loading tube, would resemble a little the ejector housing on an
    1873 Colt peacemaker. Hope everyone understands what I am talking about. Bill Akins

  • Paveway

    The tail of a A5/Rem 11 bolt is hinged to ride the buffer spring diagonally/down into a traditional stock. it is attached at the bottom of the bolt – and in perfect alignment with the upper tube of that FAL style stock. The spring seen on top of this fire arm is the recoil normal spring around the mag tube of a A5/Rem 11; remember the A5/Rem 11’s entire barrel recoil backwards in firing.

    This gun is perfectly laid out to be functional. The only slightly difficult part would be cobbling up a semi-auto hammer for the MG42 pistol grip.

    I’m very tempted to try and make one myself.

    • Jayste

      Do it! Do it!do it!

  • valorius

    Kudos for the home build MG42 shotgun thingy.

  • valorius

    The barrel alignment with the receiver makes me wonder if this is even a working weapon, and not just a cool display item.

  • Edward Franklin

    Looking at it closely I’m struck by how much the the Model 11 receiver has been cut away. The entire humpback, stock area and portions of the trigger mechanism is simply gone. However it appears to be closed up with what must be a welded in panel of some sort, the original bolt ‘tail’ and return spring must have been removed and a new straight line system has been installed inside the hollow upper tube of the FAL style stock.
    The trigger mechanism is the real mystery, I would wonder if the top of the receiver hasn’t been opened up to allow a hammer contained in the grip frame extension to move freely and operate the action. As long as the guide rails for the bolt assembly are intact the top could be opened up quite extensively and the gun would still function.
    All in all I have to admire the amount of work that had to gone into a design like this and it seems like the quality of work is fairly good. Most importantly the builder of said gun has very likely not spent much more than his own free time and a few hundred dollars on a gun like this.

  • tarnishedcopper

    Perhaps he is just a left handed shooter and could never find on that ejected to the left, so he decided to build his own.

  • Seth Hill

    Ah yes, the extremely rare Maschinenschrotflinte Modell 1 (MS1).

  • Bruce Tucker

    I knew what this was as soon as I saw it. None of you have ever used a window gun? Left side eject won’t break your windshield and top port makes for fast reloads. I would hate to be a varmit in this gun’s sights. Pure genius! I’m sure the one who owns this gun is the envy of his local watering hole and you can be pretty sure he keeps his truck locked up!

  • jerome

    Shoot that right handed and you will feel how people with dominant left eyes/hands feel. Would you like your USMC boot camp eye patch before or after you shoot it?

  • frrst245

    something Sinister here

  • Beachhawk

    That gun looks like the illegitimate love child of a Browning Automatic Rifle and an AK-47. It should probably come with at least two wheels.

  • Sig_Sauer

    I know one thing, what ever it is, the Left will call it an “assault rifle” and will try to ban it!

  • Rufus Cornpone

    I like it! I give the guy a lot of credit for thinking outside the box and trying to innovate a firearm to meet his needs…

  • disqus_f62emCdwDh

    I’d guess it would be for a southpaw, to…

    • BraveNewWhirled

      End Right Privilege!

  • RICH

    I guess to each his own ! ! It DOES look like a MG-42 lower and the tubular stock looks like the one from
    K-Var but it seems to be fixed rather than having the side folding mechanism.

  • roguetechie

    I remembered a few minutes after I hit send on that post… Though I’m kinda partial to my off the cuff descriptive

  • Amplified Heat

    No, actually; that’s pretty cool!