More M&P M2.0 From Guns America

Credit: Guns America

Our friends over at Guns America recently got some hands-on time with the new Smith and Wesson M&P M2.0 series of pistols. If you remember the TFB coverage of the apparent launch slip-up by Academy Sports a few weeks ago, the new guns sport some features that piqued everyone’s curiosity. The Guns America team got an advanced look at the upcoming production release.

Previous speculation of a modular frame setup seem largely unfounded. Instead, S&W has firmed and strengthened the frame with embedded metal inserts that also include the gun’s serial number and QR code. Also important to note is that version 2.0 is backwards compatible with previous magazines, holsters and accessories.

M2.0

Credit: Guns America

The 2.0 version now has a steel skeleton that extends the length of the frame, underneath the polymer. The frame is much more rigid now, and recoil is noticeably lessened. I am not an engineer, but I am assuming this acts like rebar in concrete. Whatever the magic, it is working. The new frame is a huge step forward. It is easy to identify the new M2.0, since the steel frame is visible via windows on either side of the dust cover near the rails. In fact, that is now where the serial number is located.

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Credit: Guns America

Smith and Wesson did a real solid to the consumer on this one. Unlike future generation pistols we have seen from other manufacturers, all prior accessories from the M&P line still work. Yes, it is backward compatible. I tested this myself on magazines and holsters. Magazines still function flawlessly, and visually are indistinguishable from the 1.0. My Safariland retention holster holds the new guns just as secure as the old one, no problems. It is really nice to be able to buy a new gun without needing to invest in a pile of adds-ons, when you already spent the money once.


Read the full Guns America M2.0 Blog Post here.



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  • Anonymoose

    *still waiting for the .45 version*

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      9mm > .45cal

      Sorry, had to. Friday fun.

      • DonDrapersAcidTrip

        “nice but wheres the 10mm”

      • Nicks87

        What’s wrong with both? Glock 26 in the summer, Glock 41 in the winter. I carry weapons depending on my ability to comfortably conceal them. As far as effectiveness is concerned I think bigger is better as long it doesn’t limit ammo capacity too much or isn’t impossible to carry concealed.

      • ProLiberty82

        Erm, did you just assume his caliber preference? How dare you, you sub-caliber supremacist!

        • Billy Jack

          Triggered!

    • DGR

      Was included at the original launch. Per the S&W website, its looks like its available in the Black 4.25″ with or without the thumb safety.

    • Matt

      It’s available

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      I thought TFB already alienated all their .45 fans.

      Maybe they are just too darn stubborn to acknowledge 9mm or leave TFB.

      • Pete – TFB Writer

        TFB is a judgement free safe zone sanctuary.

        • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

          Im glad there is a safe space for .45 fans. I dont think they would be very welcome in most safe spaces.

          • DanGoodShot

            Any caliber I don’t own is just a caliber I need to add to my collection…. I have a LONG way to go! No hate here. I love all guns equally. Yes… even hi-point.

      • Nicks87

        I’ve crapped on .45s in the past but I’ve always enjoyed shooting them. 9mm is just more user friendly I think.

        • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

          I enjoy shooting 1911s and a 1911 in anything other than .45 is just not the same. I have no desire to carry one but they are great to shoot.

          • Nicks87

            Have you shot a 9mm 1911? They’re an absolute pleasure to shoot.

      • Anonymoose

        I still like 9mm, but I still like .45 too. If a gun is caliber-convertible that’s the best!

        • Tinkerer

          So, you’re bi-calibrious?

          • Billy Jack

            He’s a swingin, switch target hittin moose and he doesn’t care what closed minded people think.

    • Nicks87

      .45 long slide FTW.

    • Ranger Rick

      Saw one on Friday at the DSC Show.

  • ProLiberty82

    What about the TRIGGER?!? Is it a new design? Is it a true single action like the PPQ? Will there be compact and CORE models? And will there finally be a Glock 19 sized model?

    Hey, I gots to know.

    • Dave

      Apparently a new sear assembly has improved it to be more crisp and tactile

    • DGR

      The article mentions the new trigger as being the best striker trigger they have fired.

      • ProLiberty82

        Can’t read their article since I keep getting connection time out (I suspect obnoxious ITAR/’murica BS reasons), but if it truly has a better trigger than the PPQ then color me intrigued!

        • DGR

          All I know is that I never had a real complaint with the original triggers (hey, they went bang when I pulled the trigger that’s all that mattered to me). So if they are significantly better (all reports suggest they are) then I’m game. But lets be real, I’m going to buy one or three regardless of the trigger…

      • Machinegunnertim

        Must never have pulled it on the TP9, Caracal, or PPQ. Those three are hard to beat.

  • Gidge

    The full length steel skeleton in the frame probably reduces the recoil by putting a little more weight in the nose which shifts the center of mass further forward improving the balance.

  • Joe

    Only M&P I own is a Shield, but if this 2.0 has an improved trigger at the same price point…I’ll probably have the compact at some point this year.

  • I think I’ll pick up one in 9

    • Rodney Jenkins

      Why not 40?

      • Because I don’t want to pay more than I already am for ammo.

  • Mmmtacos

    I still need to know what that button is in front of the slide release! I know it can’t be anything too major, but I just can’t imagine what exactly it could be.

    • James

      I was thinking the exact same thing, it seems like the people who got an early look at the pistol never mention what that button is.

      Hopefully it is not a decocker.

      Please lord anything but a decocker.

      • Mmmtacos

        Oh God, that would be a non-starter for me. I can’t imagine it is based on it’s location…

        • A bearded being from beyond ti

          Maybe it’s just a part of the slide release and not button?

    • Austin

      Takedown lever.

      • Mmmtacos

        Look at the slide release, just to the left of it (it’s pretty much touching it) there is some button there. To the left of THAT there is the take-down lever, a la Sig.

        I want to know what that button is, because it’s not on the original M&P handguns.

    • Mmmtacos

      Okay, I looked more into it and found a thread on S&W Forum.

      Apparently it is a detent of some sort that allows for a more positive slide lock, and provides some audible and haptic report when actuated. The owner theorizes that it eliminates slam-reloading (when you slam in a mag and it unlocks the slide, chambering a round on reload).

      Personally, I like that “feature”. My VP9 does it, and my old M&P9 “M1.0” did it as well, but only if you did it with enough force. If this is by design, maybe you can remove the detent to allow slam-reloading.

  • James Swan

    Glad to see if can still get it in my favorite caliber .40. Good to see not all manufacturers are jumping on the 9mm or 45 only fad. I love em all but .40 is my favorite, followed by 9mm,357 mag then 45acp. Good calibers for good times.

    • SocratesWasRight

      That’s rich… “fad?” Call it a 100+ year fad for both 9mm and .45ACP then (1902 and 1904, respectively). When did the .40 come out? 1990?

      If anything was a fad, it’s .40S&W.

      Smith Exec #1: “Hey, will people buy a round that doesn’t really put out that much more energy than a 9mm or .45 but is so highly pressured every shot is dancing on the edge of catastrophe?”

      Smith Exec #2: “If we market it right. Milk that cow till its teats sour. The FBI blamed the dead agents in that Miami shootout on .38 cal revolvers and 9mm pistols they used, even if most of the early shot placement by the agents wasn’t ideal to stop the bad guys. But they won’t allow mud on the bureau’s face, let’s let blame it on a caliber and offer them a solution.”

      I think the swing back to 9mm was when people at the DOJ/FBI started doing actual, scientific ballistic testing instead of trying to have a pecker-measuring contest with caliber size.

      • James Swan

        Awesome. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to get buthurt and reply. Took longer than I expected but I lost the bet.I still enjoy the .40 no matter how much ego or half baked opinion you spew out.

      • Goosey

        .40 S&W has the same SAAMI max average pressure as standard pressure 9 mm Luger: 35,000 psi.

    • Rodney Jenkins

      no 357 Sig?

  • A bearded being from beyond ti

    Always liked the look of this gun, mainly cuz it actually has more of a “look” rather than just being a piece of square shaped plastic and steel.

  • Joe Gamer

    “What’s the number one complaint about our pistols?”
    The two piece trigger!
    “Should we change that in our new version?
    No! It’s totally fine!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da96d71b526e1e5afcf2f3cacffb84bf03cc50d4392d620ccede4a2ed8d34fd7.jpg

  • Disarmed in CA

    I wish they all could be California Guuuuuuuns

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    I wonder if the slides/barrels are compatible. Like, can I get a 9mm 2.0 and drop my 9L 5″ Performance Center Ported CORE barrel and slide on top? Would I get all the new hotness while not having to wait for a 2.0 version of the 5″ PC Ported CORE?

  • JumpIf NotZero

    SO CLOSE to making it modular and messed that up. Oh S&W :/

    Well, we know they messed that up and messed something in the performance because want one or not – this will NOT be the next army handgun.

  • I like the extended metal skeleton. The original trigger was tweaked to be a little better, it’ll be interesting if 2.0 has even more improvements. Overall a very good pistol.

  • DanGoodShot

    Can ANYONE tell me what that is in front of the slide lock?! I’ve asked in so many comment sections, forums and boards. I’ve searched everywhere and nobody even mentions it. What the hell is it?? This is killing me!

    • imtoomuch

      On Facebook Julie Golob said it’s part of the new slide lock design. Speculation is that it’s to prevent the lock from releasing when a mag is jammed into the gun. Some guns, such as the original M&P, release the slide when slamming a magazine into the gun.

      • DanGoodShot

        Interesting… I never had that issue with me shield. But that is a shiel and is a little different. I’m going to have to fondle one n see for myself. I’ve yet to get a definitive answer on it. Yours is the closest thing I’ve gotten to one yet. Than ahain, I could just call S&W about it….. hummm…. dailing now!

  • Treiz

    Love it. I’ll pick up one of the long slide models in black with out the safeties in 9 and 45, but I’ll wait on the standard models until they add the loaded chamber indicator to them too.

  • Edeco

    Alright, more stiffness at presumably a competitive weight.

    I think recoil feels more pleasant in a stiff gun. I don’t dislike recoil in the practical range, far from it, I enjoy the feedback. For instance, bought a batch of popo-surp 230 gr +P, it’s fun, wish I had more. But I think a stiff gun of the same weight, hose length, etc will feel smoother, more consistent, able to be stably gripped with less force during recoil, and the recoil will tend to be a simpler series of forces, easier to get used to and ride, baically. I can’t prove any of this.

  • diana pierce

    just about everything in nature has a rigid skeleton somewhere integral. [Of course not considering exoskeletal creatures.] But even then … whether they may be stays in your collar and certainly being able to stand erect demands this kind of flexible-rigidity ! … [nothing like a good oxymoron.]

  • cwolf

    smith-wesson DOT com/firearms#/?series=163

    Shows a M&P M2.0 45 ACP

  • CavScout

    Waiting for 9mm Compact M2.0.

  • CA

    What are those boxes near the rail? EWW GROOOOSSSEE!

  • BeoBear

    No mention of whether M&P 2.0 comes with the S&W factory requirement of removing all the trigger parts upon opening box and replacing them with aftermarket Apex versions? Seems like a relevant question to me. To this day every time I look at my M&P 1.0 my butt still starts to sting.

  • John

    Is the safety mechanism on the 2.0 exaxtly like the older model ? Same size and style ? I thought it was a tad to big on the original.