A Closer Look At The GHW Tailhook

Darrel Keathley has been teasing a few gun groups on Facebook with some sweet pictures of the Tailhook on some popular pistol caliber carbines.

Richard Johnson had posted an article about the Tailhook just the other day. Click here if you missed it.

The photos Darrel put up show the Tailhook being used on modified stocks.

Below are KRISS Vectors. Their stocks have been modified to work with the Tailhook.

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As you can see in the picture below, the original KRISS Vector stock has a lower section that was removed in the Tailhook version. They did that so the shooter’s forearm could actually be used with the Tailhook. The lower section would block the tail hook from properly being used.

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Here is the Tailhook on a collapsing MP5 stock.

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GHW made a special adapter that attaches to the stock slider bars and allows the Tailhook to be installed.

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GHW has even gone and made an adapter for the CZ Scorpion stock.

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I have to commend GHW on the simple yet clever adapter idea. That way they can use the same Tailhook on different guns. Rather than making specialized braces different guns.

One aspect of the Tailhook design might be an issue and that is how it attaches to the firearm. Remember KAK Industries? They were sued for infringing on SB Tactical’s patent. KAK went on to say their design does not look like the SB Tactical. But there is a specific claim in SB Tactical’s design patent that might give GHW some strife.

The patent in question is US Pat No. 8,869,444.

In the patent, there is a specific claim on how the brace attaches to the handgun.

a support structure extending rearwardly outward from the handgun;

a body having a front end, a rear end, an upper portion, a lower portion, and a passage longitudinally extending within said upper portion and at least through said front end of said body, the support structure of the handgun being telescopically received by said passage;

Those two parts in the patent apply to modern braces out there. It is the manner in which the brace is attached to the gun. In the AR15 pistol, it is the pistol buffer that is the “support structure”. The SB15 brace, KAK Shockwave and now the Tailhook all use a similar method of attachment. A support structure goes thru the body of the brace.

We shall see if SB Tactical pursues this and of course it is up to the patent attorneys to decipher the legal lingo and see if there is infringement. I am no lawyer so do not take my observation as gospel. I wish both companies the best. GHW’s Tailhook is cool and I like the way they are going with it.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • JumpIf NotZero

    I never underestimate the stupidity of the ATF… but as of right now it seems a few year more of this and there is a chance removing SBRs could happen just due to the sheer uselessness of that law.

    A. If silencers become deregulated from NFA, all PCCs will have integrated 8″ suppressors on 8″ barrels

    B. If “brace technology” gives you effectively the same thing “oh but I promise not to shoulder it!” than that’s just more people not SBRing.

    • R3

      I think that how quiet the ATF has been on this and the HPA is pretty telling and I believe that they fully support getting rid of the SBR and suppressor laws, if for no other reason than to reduce their workload.

      I also think it helps that NFA has been steadily going mainstream over the last decade. Honestly, it used to be taboo. I like to think having new sources of information from the internet and new magazines is starting to break up the haze around gun culture that the old fudds who used to control the NRA and American Rifleman put in place.

      • Mr. C

        You have far more faith in the wisdom of the ATF than me.

      • datimes

        I can only hope that you are correct and the ATF can make a practical decision, even if they swerve onto it accidently.

      • mike

        A Government department is going to want more work to justify an increase in budget.

        • Billy Jack

          Maybe not more work, definitely more authority.

        • Nicks87

          Govt dept and MORE work? Lol yeah right.

      • Ark

        Lord knows they have better things to do than chase the specter of 1920s mobsters with stubby Thompsons and shotguns stuffed under their trenchcoats.

  • ExMachina1

    Right now I’m trying to figure out if I was a sucker for SBR-ing anything. I mean, the ATF seems like they’re in a very amenable mood these days. Perhaps Magpul should try to get their CTR approved as a brace by just adding a velcro “forearm” strap through the sling holes

    • K-Gunner

      You’re lucky you can SBR at all, unlike in California where not only are SBRs illegal under state law but if you want to brace a pistol version of a PCC it will be “off roster” and only available to full time sworn LEOs, unless you can buy one from a private party. Those rules effective prevent Californians from having a pistol version of the Scorpion, MPX, Vector, ARs, etc, brace or not.

      • billyoblivion

        Throw the damn ring in the damn volcano and move.

      • pun&gun

        I hate to jump on the bandwagon of “abandon your homeland,” but my home state of VA has very good gun laws and a sufficiently delicate political balance that your pro-gun votes would make a difference. You know, if you ever decide you’ve had enough of it in CA. 😉

  • Dave Webster

    I want a proper length kriss all of a sudden…

  • thedarkknightreturns

    I don’t have high hopes that SBRs or suppressors will ever be taken out of NFA regulation. Hearing Protection Act and the like not with standing. It would be nice, but it’s just wishful thinking. Also, braces are really stupid, the BATFE has already issued it’s opinion stating that if one shoulders a “pistol” with a brace attached they will have essentially re-manufactured it into an SBR. It’s nigh impossible to tell if someone is cheek welding or shouldering one of these. A difficult to enforce standard, however, that does not stop some unfortunate overzealous LEO from using this against anyone they choose. i.e. I have actually seen this done before, arrests made for violating TX state law under Sec. 46.01. (10) it’s not worth it you guys.

    • ExMachina1

      “It’s nigh impossible to tell if someone is cheek welding or shouldering one of these. ”

      Agreed. Which is why we will never see anyone convicted of an NFA violation for doing so.

      • RSG

        Especially with the proliferation of countless videos demonstrating the now widely adopted usage of “cheek welding” as opposed to shouldering, and having that knowledge at the time of confrontation/arrest (and offering in the way of a formal statement, proving you possed that knowledge at that time, instead of creating that defense at a later time) makes it almost impossible to secure a conviction without definitive and unambiguous video proof.

      • billyoblivion

        Unless they are caught on video during an “event”.

      • Ebby123

        No, we’ll never see a prosecution because it would never hold up in court, and the once that happens the ATF won’t even be able to pretend like they have the authority to determine that “shouldering constitutes a redesign”.

        Its a farce people. The ATF will never prosecute someone over an arm brace because they would never expose their own impotence.

  • Sasquatch

    Now I might get a kiss. Thought almost useless unless in full auto.

    • Nicholas C

      Actually I prefer semi to full auto for the Vector. Full auto is too fast. Now two round burst on the other hand is way more practical.

      • A bearded being from beyond ti

        Wasn’t it Alex that went on about how burst fire was useless? Or was that someone else?

        • Nicholas C

          Not sure. He and I disagreed on quite a few things. He doesn’t like the Scorpion and I think it is better than the MP5 because it is modern and has more features.

          • A bearded being from beyond ti

            Did you ever fight about it, hand to hand?

      • Sasquatch

        True two round burst would be awesome. Though with the vector being designed specifically to deal with full auto muzzle clime, in semi auto I would think a Kel-tec sub 2000 or a Cz Scorpion would be more practical. Being that I have not had the chance to handle them side by side to anything else, is the vector worth the extra bulk?

        • Nicholas C

          Depends on what you prioritize. The Vector design has issues. Mag changes are slow, less options for accessories.

          When comparing semi auto platforms, the scorpion or MPX is a better choice for running and gunning.

          But if you want something for range use then any will be fine.

      • noob

        what would a drop in binary trigger for the vector look like?

        • Nicholas C

          Proprietary. That is what it would look like. The Kriss trigger system is not conducive to AR drop in.

  • cons2p8ted

    I am no lawyer but I can tell you GHW better “brace” themselves for a lawsuit!

  • The nicest looking brace so far! Very excited for this.

  • S. Plankenberg

    That gun in the first two pictures may be the ugliest gun I have ever seen.

    All the appeal of a bumper jack.
    A very ugly bumper jack.
    Probably carries about like one, too.

    • noob

      but being hit with a bumper jack still hurts, no?

      • S. Plankenberg

        I would say it would hurt, but so would a rock.
        Looks like it would be awkward to carry , or wrap your hands around, especially with the gloves people like to wear so much nowadays for some reason.
        BTW, what’s up with the gloves anyway?

        What is the purpose of the word ” no ” at the end of the sentence?

        • noob

          a shortened continental way of saying “does it not?”

  • Gregory

    I solved the SBR issue, I purchased an IWI X95.

    • super20g

      All buying an X95 Tavor did for me was to get me to send in a form 1 and wait for the conversion kit to be released.

      • Nicholas C

        Just to give your X95 a Bris? You are effectively circumsizing it with very little performance enhancement. Lol

        • super20g

          Mine is just intended to be a room broom so I want it closer to the actual X95.

  • VF 1777

    Ahhhh, the latest instance of the Schrodinger Brace. Is it a stock or is it a brace? Or perhaps both probabilities exist at the same time in superposition and it depends on when the ‘observer’ collapses the wave function? Or perhaps it’s a stock in one dimension and a brace in the other? When will we solve this paradox?

    • billyoblivion

      Stop being catty.

      • VF 1777

        Very punny man

        • billyoblivion

          Hey, I’m not purrfect or I’d have been able to a comment about collapsed state vectors.

  • Sid Collins

    I just don’t understand the utility of this item. I am not against their existence. But I just cannot see how it would be a useful/practical item.

    • Ebby123

      It is the stupid prize that results from the ATF’s stupid games.

      Also, to a small minority, it is a very useful means of overcoming a disability.