What Gun Was Used to Assassinate the Russia’s Ambassador to Turkey?

The very public shooting of the Russian ambassador to Turkey, Andrey Karlov, made headlines yesterday. The shooting was a politically motivated attack associated with the Syrian conflict and the city of Aleppo in particular. The gunman was an off-duty Turkish police officer, who apparently used his service sidearm in the shooting.

Many different kinds of handguns are produced in Turkey, with even more types from foreign manufacturers seeing use inside the country. Turkey is one of the largest producers of handguns in the world, making clones of the Beretta 92, CZ 75, 1911, Walther P99, and a number of domestic designs for sale on both the Turkish market and, increasingly, the Western market as well.

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The pistol used by the gunman.

The firearm used by the gunman was a compact model of the Canik TP9, although the photos released to the public are not clear enough to identify exactly which variant. Due to the contour of the slide near the muzzle, the most likely version is the 9mm TP9 55 Compact, which still uses the Walther-style SA decocking button on the top of the slide, in front of the rear sight.

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The image resolution is not high enough to make out a decocking button on the slide, but the other features are consistent with a Canik TP9 55 Compact.

The TP9 is commonly used by Turkish police, with reportedly 50,000 or more being sold to departments in that country.





Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He is also the author of the original web serial Heartblood, which is being updated and edited regularly. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Bill

    IknewitIknewitIknewit…as soon as I saw the video, someone would ask. Personally, I want to know where he got his suit, looked pretty sharp and it’s nice to see someone dressing up for the occasion.

    • Rick O’Shay

      You’ll need to go to the “fashion not politics” blog for that.

      • LCON

        his suit was important, it was camoflage. He was dressed as you would expect a Personal security detail or a High profile events security agent to appear. the all business look the nondescript tie. Security failed as he passed himself off as security. He got in because He wore that suit, talked the talk walked the walk had the right badge and was exactly what he seemed to be. but this was not a sheepdog to tend the flock this was a Wolf.

        • Rick O’Shay

          Oh, absolutely. My remark was more a response to the “it’s nice to see someone dressing up for the occasion” bit. Because it’s just rude not to dress to the nines when you’re about to assassinate someone.
          But in all seriousness, you’re right. The only reason why the shooter was able to get so close was because he looked like he was supposed to be there as part of the security detail.

          • Guest

            He WAS the security detail of the ambassador.

          • Would you like to share your source on that? I haven’t seen any information suggesting that he was.

          • Joseph Goins

            Most news source is saying that he was an off-duty policeman. The rest are saying that he was fired for his role in the coup attempt earlier this year.

          • Bill

            You gotta admit, it’s way better than the typical Central Asian tracksuit.

          • Swarf

            Slavic squatsuit.

    • iksnilol

      Seems Turkish assassins know a thing or two.

      • Billy Jack

        Ottoman Empire, taking people out since 1299

  • LCON

    The man was dressed in a black business suit, used a weapon that could have been his service pistol, and had police credentials. basically he posed as part of the security detail waited till the cameras were rolling then opened fire. Made his statement then waited till the Response team showed and he was shot dead.

    • 11b

      Basically a textbook definition of a terror attack.

      • Twilight sparkle

        I wouldn’t say textbook, he probably had political motive which would make it an act of terrorism but it’s not like many other terrorist acts because most of those are designed to instill fear into a populace while this was just designed to kill a single person in particular.

        • LCON

          An Assasination.

          • Twilight sparkle

            Very much so, but terrorism and an assassination aren’t necessarily two mutually exclusive terms.

          • Cuvie

            assassination is a form of terrorism

          • pun&gun

            Not necessarily. Sometimes it’s just done to remove an obstacle.

          • Twilight sparkle

            You beat me to it.

          • retfed

            Sometimes “assassination” doesn’t mean what it says. When Biggie Smalls was killed, it was widely reported in the press as an “assassination” (related to the East Coast-West Coast rap wars).
            A friend of mine said, “No, President Kennedy was assassinated. Dr. King was assassinated. Biggie was capped.”

          • Galfathen Dyrwood

            In this particular case, the ambassador wasn’t an obstacle per se, but only a victim for terrorism against a greater political cause. The guy didn’t have a personal or political agenda against the ambassador himself. He could as well choose any other political figure.

          • Kafir1911

            Militant, radical islam is at the bottom of the issue.

          • iksnilol

            No.

          • Kafir1911

            Correct and a third, Islamic fits either of them.

          • Core

            Assassination typically has terrorist intent to others outside of the victim and the victims’ family. It sends a message of fear by resorting to an act of violence, and will merit a full circle response.

      • David Silverstein

        Looks more like how I would picture a CIA hit to go down.

      • wwiifighterpilot

        Who cares as long as the lying ex-commie bastage is d-e-a-d. One down, several MILLION to go… Grrrr…

    • Given the display of good trigger discipline and the over all slickness he appears to be more of a professional agent type doing some wet work than a terrorist.

      • john huscio

        He was in the Turkish equivalent of SWAT

        • LCON

          exactly, he was a trained Police officer possibly trained for just this kind of security operation. They let him get this close as he was just the kind of person they would have wanted on there side… except he was turned.
          the critical question mark here is he did not have an escape he was making a statement.

          • Tolga

            He was not trained to be in any security detail. He was assigned to Çevik Kuvvet, full time anti-riot Police. Security Detail is provided by a different branch.

        • Ay

          you’re wrong. he was a riot police not pöh (polis özel harekat). pöh is equivalent of SWAT

      • Scouse

        My thoughts exactly Suzan, that rigid finger down the slide, dead give away.

  • JT303

    Following ‘firearms not politics’ to the letter.

    • Al Wise

      This is a firearms-related news story. Nothing to do with politics.

      • JT303

        Come now, you can’t just take the assassination of a diplomat and say ‘nothing to do with politics’. It would be too easy to speculate about the motives behind the murder. Instead, TFB has posed a question that skirts round the political aspect entirely.

        • J. Murphy

          “It would be too easy to speculate about the motives behind the murder”

          …And it would be entirely speculation, we don’t know, and might not know for years.

          • LCON

            This is Analysis. Determining the exact events and failures of security that led to an event.

          • DaveP

            …except that the assassin actually SAID what his motivation was, out loud, repeatedly, while standing over the demised.

          • VanDiemensLand

            Exactly!

          • iksnilol

            I really wonder what the assassin meant when he shouted: “Don’t forget Aleppo! Don’t forget Syria!’ repeatedly.

          • Marcus D.

            The speculation is that the shooter was expressing outrage for the Russian bombardment of Aleppo and bombing campaign in Syria generally. The Russians have been accused repeatedly (whether or not accurately I don’t know) of bombing schools and hospitals, as they were accused of doing in Chechnya as well. And he was shouting “God is Great” to express that the will of Allah had come down on the ambassador.

          • iksnilol

            You do realize that I was being sarcastic, since it was sorta obvious.

            That, and “God is Great” doesn’t say much about motive in a 99% muslim country. It’s used as literally everything, to show surprise, happiness, sadness and often as a battle cry (as was most likely here).

          • Stephen Paraski

            The English music group “The Damned” released a song called “Antipope” on record titled “Machine Gun Etiquette”, where Dave Vanian states “religion doesn’t mean a thing, just another word for being right wing”, this was in 1980 I think.

          • Phillip Cooper

            Seeing as how he yelled “Allah Akhbar”, I’d say it’s pretty GD obvious what the motive was.

          • J. Murphy

            …Not really, Allah Akhbar just means “God is greater” and it’s a common expression used by Muslims in all sorts of contexts. If a DC cop shot the Iranian ambassador while yelling “go to hell” the West wouldn’t automatically assume that the killing had a religious rather then political motive, would we?

          • Wolfgar

            I didn’t know there was an epidemic of radical Christians murdering people in every horrid way across the Earth yelling “go to hell”.

          • J. Murphy

            What does a Turkish cop assassinating the Russian ambassador in a rather professional hit have in common with driving a Truck into a crowd of people, or shooting up a theater?

            ISIS and ISIS inspired attacks are brutal blood baths designed to create fear in the minds of ISIS’s enemies by making everyone who goes out in public feel like a target for future attacks. This was an attack on one man where the shooter went out of his way to get as close to his target as possible, employing both a disguise and his police credentials. Seems more like ultranationalism to me.

          • Wolfgar

            He confirmed he belongs to the religion of peace by yelling twice “Allah Akbar” and stated he was upset with Russia for wiping out his good buddies in Aleppo who belong to the religion of peace. The truck driver that murdered the German Christmas shoppers was also a member of the religion of peace ISIS which it proudly confirmed. Not too confusing if you ask me.

          • J. Murphy

            …You know Turkey is literally 99% Muslim? The shooter being Muslim, in a country where nearly everyone is a Muslim is not a very telling revelation. Particularly since Turkey and Russia are backing opposite sides in the Syrian conflict, and Turkey experienced a failed military coup not 6 months ago, so there’s plenty of tensions over Syria that have nothing to do with ISIS.

          • Bill

            This could very well be acted from an anti-ISIS position; there are plenty of Muslim extremists active against Russia that have no association with ISIS, like all the anti-Assad ones.

          • Wolfgar

            If he was protesting ISIS he would have shot the Turkish ambassador or one of the many other nations who have been supporting ISIS.

          • J. Murphy

            …Except as a Kemalist Turkish nationalist he wouldn’t want to shoot the Turkish ambassador, because he’s Turkish. He would however want to shoot the Russian ambassador because the Russians are trying to set up an alliance with Erodogan, who the Kemalists want out of power because he’s fundamentally their opposite, who do you think is buying oil from ISIS? Erodogan.

          • Wolfgar

            Turkey is buying ISIS oil and arming them. If an American in early 1945 had shot a Russian ambassador and yelled Heil Hitler and stated he did it for what they were doing in Berlin I doubt there would be any confusion of his motive. There were examples of good Nazi’s such as the angel of Nanking but I digress.

          • J. Murphy

            The Russian ambassador was in Ankara as part of the ceasefire talks between Russia and Turkey, a process that’s going to involve the Turkish government transferring their backing to Assad in exchange for an alliance with Russia. There’s plenty of anti-Assad sentiment in Turkey that isn’t connected to ISIS, and since Assad is ultimately kept in power by Russia, that sentiment extends to Russia itself.

            As we’ve covered the phrase “Allah Akbar” tells you nothing about someone’s political affiliations. It tells you they’re Muslim, that’s not a great clue to motive in an entire country of Muslims.

          • Wolfgar

            I have not heard about the process of Turkey transferring their backing to Assad, just the cease fire negotiations. If true, it will be a whole new ballgame. Your point is well taken.

          • Malthrak

            I mean…not right this moment, but 20 years ago they did pretty awful things in Rwanda under a christian banner, the Nazi’s did terrible things with “God Is With Us” engraved on their uniform belt buckles 70something years ago.

            None of this is new or unique, just different flavors in different times.

          • Wolfgar

            Yup, using religion to kill and destroy. To be fair, the Nazi’s didn’t use the Christian religion as the reason for their actions but did use it when convenient.

          • Malthrak

            Right, most of their schtick was just pulled from older stuff and taken to a ridiculous extreme (such as taking the old Hussar iconography for the SS). But yeah, dont have to look too far back to see such stuff from just about all religions and groups sadly.

          • iksnilol

            Does it matter in the end though? People died either way.

          • Wolfgar

            If one is trying to find out motive it is, but you are right, in the end people died either way..

          • Bill

            Thanks for pointing that out, it’s as common as saying “God bless you” when someone sneezes, probably moreso.

          • Tassiebush

            I’m glad Allah Akbar isn’t shouted when people sneeze. It’d lead to some pretty awkward moments.

          • n0truscotsman

            L O L!!!

          • Joseph Goins

            Not exactly. As @disqus_eXPoOwVZCR:disqus pointed out, people say things (like “go to hell”) without actually meaning what they literally. If you recall (or even remember) the Iranian Revolution and the assault on the embassy there, the Iranians shouted “death to America.” I visited Iran a few years back and the cab driver yelled out the Farsi version of “death to traffic!” I asked the translator what he said, and the translator said that people there yell out “death to ____” when they are very frustrated at something.

          • iksnilol

            Just like how in Slavic languages you say you have sex with the mother of the object in question.

          • Malthrak

            Not that I doubt its a terrorist attack, but keep in mind that “allah ackbar” and various equivalents is a common phrase in the middle east used in place of almost any exclamation. It can be a literal statement made with religious intent, or can be used as an equivalent of “wow”, or “oh crap” after a near miss accident, or “holy **** did you see how crazy that was”, or “yay!” and a whole bunch of other stuff.

            It’s like a single catch-all exclamation in many places with a vast array of common vernacular usage beyond just a religious/terrorist slogan even if it is often used as such.

          • Phillip Cooper

            Yes but when one shouts it while killing people, it’s pretty obvious what is going on.

            Nothing like calling your god’s name while engaging in 6th century death-cult shenanigans.

          • Malthrak

            I wasnt disputing the characterization of the attack, I wont argue that XD, only the basis of using that phrase for such a characterization in every instance, people in the middle east are just as likely to use it in response to seeing such an attack as we might use “oh my god” or something.

            That said, its not like we havent seen similar phrases used in similar acts by people from other religions within living memory, Rwanda being an unfortunate example.

          • Phillip Cooper

            I’m unfamiliar with phrases used in Rwanda.

            I didn’t mean that ALL instances of using the phrase equate to terrorism… simply that when one yells it while killing people it’s pretty damn clear what’s going on.

          • iksnilol

            Not really, I’ve seen it used as a “battle cry”, sorta like Slavic folks shouting “URA!” and the rebel yell of the confederates in the “war of Northern agression”.

          • Marc

            Kind of like “bumba claat” in Jamaica. It’s an exclamation; not used in polite company.

          • Tassiebush

            His statements, the victim and the context of where Turkey stands on Syria and which factions it backs all paint the picture. Turkey is on the Sunni side of the whole Sunni vs Shiite divide. He mentioned that if “we don’t feel safe you won’t.” or similar wording as well as the remember Syria remember Aleppo statements. He clearly identified strongly with the Sunni factions currently being defeated in Aleppo with the help of Russian support. “we” meant Sunni in this instance.

        • User

          There is no stated opinion on the topic, or taking sides… It was just simply about the gun.

  • Dickie

    Oh shut up about the politics thing. Who cares.

    • Swarf

      I care. It’s one of the main reasons I come here and one of the main reasons TTAG has turned in to such a diaper pail fire.

      • iksnilol

        Eh, TTAG was always a crapfest. No integrity from its writers leads to that.

        • AlanHan

          I thought Nicholas C., here, is also a writer at TTAG. No?

          • Rick O’Shay

            Or at the very least is on pretty friendly terms with writers there.

          • AlanHan

            They’re both named Nicholas. They both started shooting at Penn State. They look the same. How can they be different people?

          • Rick O’Shay

            There’s a Nick C and Nick Leghorn. I don’t even know. I don’t pay tons of attention to their personal lives.

      • n0truscotsman

        Diaper pail fire. Im stealing that.

        Thats why I stopped reading and commenting there years ago. Too much nonsense, not enough technical/historical stuff.

  • Is the body even cold yet? This is pretty ghoulish, y’all.

    • LCON

      This ghoulish is posting images of both deadmen. We are I think rather attempting to analyze the event and determine the exact course of events much as no doubt ever VIP PSD in the region is as we speak.

  • datimes

    To the assassins credit he lowered the weapon and placed his trigger finger in the appropriate place.

    • Phillip Cooper

      That’s because he was a cop.

      Also, why are we giving that sorry piece of excrement ANY credit at all? I’m glad he’s dead, wish he’d been taken out before he took anyone else with him.

      • Jay

        I bet there’s an agenda here.

    • VanDiemensLand

      Amazing what training will do, even being trigger safe after assasinating someone, muscle memory kicking in.

    • wetcorps

      Well yeah you don’t want to harm anybody accidentally.

  • Y-man

    My opinion – but I think this is callous, tactless, ghoulish and not yet time for such a report. The man was a person, with family… Not good.
    43 people were killed in my country in Kafanchan [North Central Nigeria] and another 56 in Zaki Biam to the East, JUST yesterday…
    I would not start analysing the type of rifles used, nor the “penetration statistics of projectiles…”
    Next thing, someone will publish an article on the engine capacity and the type of windshield wipers of the truck that was used to kill 12 in Berlin last night.

    Just MY opinion though. No offense meant.

    • Swarf

      Strongly agree. And with TexasUberAlles. Ghoulish is the perfect word.

      And I’m pretty sure that’s what Bill was getting at with the very first comment, for those who think he actually cares about suits.

      • iksnilol

        When was TTAG ever used as a compliment?

        • Paul White

          Can someone explain to me the hatred for TTAG? I don’t really read them–the Signal to Noise ratio got really bad a few years ago, but other than that??

          • iksnilol

            Stealing stuff and general douchebag behaviour. + stirring up controversy for the sake of stirring up controversy.

            https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/nbxqw/gun_blog_the_truth_about_guns_uses_image_without/?sort=old

            http://www.weerdworld.com/2012/from-the-pricks-mouth/

          • Rick O’Shay

            And spammy low quality content for the sake of clicks, rampant obtrusive ads with unfulfilled claims that the problem will be fixed, unwillingness to deal with trolls and racists, etc., etc.

          • iksnilol

            I am just saying, I wandered over here to waste less time and get better info/entertainment. I got that.

            Though I did practice skimming through articles on TTAG.

          • Rick O’Shay

            I find myself on TTAG less and less these days, and here and ENDO more and more. If I want silly goofy ranty stuff, ENDO scratches that itch. TFB gives me decent articles and the comment section typically has tolerable, entertaining, or insightful discussions, depending on what you’re talking about. TTAG has two, maybe three decent writers I make it a point to check out what they’ve posted. The rest is basically treated like my weekly letter from the NRA… glanced at then pitched into the bin.

          • Swarf

            I’ve got a reply to you, but it’s hung up in moderation for unknown reasons, Paul. I didn’t curse or nothin’. Pretty sure I’m on some school marm watchlist around here.

            One thing I do like about TTAG is that you can use all the words and no one has to fetch their clutching pearls and smelling salts.

          • noob

            the word beginning with “B” and ending in “hurt” probably triggered the filter because it included the word b—.

            yes But is flagged.

          • Swarf

            Jesus wept.

      • Joseph Goins

        Was it any less “ghoulish” to discuss the HK416 in the wake of Osama bin Laden’s demise?

        • Y-man

          That thing DESERVED to DIE! A THOUSAND times!
          Do you think in your mind that they are the same?

          • Joseph Goins

            Calling him a “thing” doesn’t change the fact that he himself was a human with multiple family members.

          • Y-man

            Joseph Goins – I will not argue with you. You have a right to your opinion just as I also have mine.

            You can say and feel what you like – I think this is getting too much.

            Best wishes. Thank you.

          • iksnilol

            He was a man just like you or me. What he did don’t make him an animal.

            I find folks tend to forget that dehumanizing enemies makes it harder to seee enemies amongst your own. “oh no, *our* leader can’t be a bad guy like that animal over yonder”.

          • Y-man

            You are right, and I do not argue with you. While there may be 2,996 reasons not to agree with you (and many more since then) I guess we can agree to disagree.

            Peace.

        • Frank Grimes

          I thought he used a Warsport LVOA with RIP ammo to kill OBL?

      • That is an unfair comparison. You know TTAG would have covered this very differently to us.

    • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

      I tend to agree with you Y-Man. I hate when we run articles like this.

      • Joseph Goins

        Did you not hate it when we speculated on the HK416 being used to kill bin Laden? I seem to remember TFB running an article on the topic.

        • Y-man

          I would gladly give a running commentary on THAT killing. I would GLADLY do that for that, that, that “Thing”.

          May his bones rot even more with the fishes!

          • Joseph Goins

            Get off your high horse. Your objection to discussing the weapon used here is not based on any philosophical principles of his humanity. It is exclusively rooted in the fact that the ambassador himself didn’t do anything wrong (i.e. he was murdered in cold blood).

        • Patrick R. – Senior Writer

          I don’t appreciate ANY ghoulish story regardless of who was killed.

      • Greg Anderson

        I understand where you’re coming from, but given that we’re in a world where people are already saying that this pistol came from the United States, a discussion about the source of this firearm is timely and helpful.

    • ARCNA442

      When does it become acceptable to discuss weapons that have killed people? Not mentioning them at all would eliminate half of the history of firearms.

      If we can discuss the weapon that was used to kill Abraham Lincoln without disrespecting him then we should be able to discuss the weapon that was used to kill this ambassador.

      • Y-man

        Everyone has a right to do what they think best. No one can even try to stop that.
        Abe Lincoln died more than 100years ago (Am I right?)
        This man has not even been buried yet. His family, including his wife who was there at the shooting, is grieving him yet. And we already have an article that already almost gloatingly focuses on the gun, but dismisses the man like a rag.
        Well, cultures are different, no one can be forced to like or dislike something like this – so, best wishes.
        Cheers.

        • Billy Jack

          Time and place and all that good stuff. But as this event shows us, diplomacy is out of fashion.

    • FLdeepdiver

      Agreed. Too soon…

    • John

      “If it bleeds, it leads.”

      That has been true long before Joseph Pulitzer invented his yearly award. And if family members are surrounding the victim as they lay dying in the street, so much the better for ratings.

      Condolences to all. But life marches on.

      • Billy Jack

        Santa has brought us all schadenfreude/terror for Christmas again. I remember when we just got coal for being bad.

    • Joseph Goins

      “The man was a person, with family… Not good.”

      Was it any less “callous, tactless, ghoulish” when we speculated on the HK416 being used to kill Osama bin Laden?

      • Y-man

        If YOU or anyone of us upright men here had that GHOUL you mention in our sights with a HK416, or FN FAL, or Barrett .50, or a flintlock musket or a slingshot with steel ball bearings: I KNOW we would have taken the shot!
        But are you saying the Ambassador is same as “IT who’s name I will not even call”?
        Are you comparing them: one – a syphilitic, scheming, conniving son of a whore-bitch multiple-murderer terrorist and a Government Worker who simply looks forward to his next pay-check to look after his family, regardless of the Politics of his paymasters, and are you labeling them as the same kind of people?

        • iksnilol

          Both are human, to deny that is not only stupid, but dangerous.

          • Joseph Goins

            That type of attitude is why genocide happens in his part of the world.

      • JSmath

        Yes.

      • Billy Jack

        Considering the fact one was an armed combatant in a war that he declared, and shed significant blood in, while the other was a nonviolent diplomat announcing two nations sharing art in an effort to further deflate violence and encourage friendship between two nations, I believe it is very easy to conclude that the recent event could earn more sympathy from a community that embraces firearms as a means to defense and peace. 24 hours and a televised act of vicious terrorism that has global repercussions- not the same to me but to each his own.

        • Joseph Goins

          Even that stance isn’t principled [based on the humanity of the victim] which is what the original commenter was suggesting.

          • Billy Jack

            Considering what the assassination of ambassadors means to humanity in general, I humbly disagree.

          • Joseph Goins

            That’s not what I meant. The original commenter was saying that it is “callous, tactless, ghoulish” for us to discuss the weapon used since the ambassador “was a person, with family”. I asked if that would still hold true in the case of Osama bin Laden. You and the original commenter changed your tune. That proves one (or both) of two things: #1 that the objection made by the original commenter is not really based in the humanity of the deceased or #2 that we have changed our opinions about covering instances of death.

          • Billy Jack

            I saw what he wrote and your responses. My “tune” never changed. I find no reason to be sympathetic toward a person who began a war and lost his life. That’s how it works. That isn’t the case with a man who was slain while attempting to resolve conflict between nations and preserve life like an ambassador at an art exhibition. OBL had been expecting his violent death through five decades, as had others.

            In hindsight, my apprehension regarding the casual discussion of the assassins choice of weapon was overly emotional and in retrospect I am not as bothered by it. I’ve read about and viewed many other assassinations and murders where the weapons and details were discussed in close proximity to the event time. Events in Dallas and Baton Rouge in the US come to mind. I saw a man die on camera there too. Also shot in the back if I am remembering correctly. I had sympathy for him and his family but saw no reason to not discuss what weaponry was used. So I can acknowledge this morning the ambassador assassination was different for me. Maybe the time of year or what slaying ambassadors means to diplomacy and international relations. I can’t say exactly. Maybe the clarity of the video seeing the man’s face while the assailant made his declarations. Definitely different than a blurry man in uniform moving around a pillar. Maybe I expect certain individuals to be in harm’s way more often.

            I’ve changed my tune as of this morning but not previously. I don’t think we could all function if we didn’t value some lives differently than others. We can’t all be sociopathic. I don’t know the other poster’s motive. These kind of events are good for getting people ginned up.

    • JamesG3

      That’s what I though about the big media response showing the ambassador dead on the floor.

    • > My opinion – but I think this is callous, tactless, ghoulish and not yet time for such a report

      I respectfully disagree. I was interested in what weapon he used, as were a lot of other people. In contrast to mainstream media, we are not glorifying the murderer, not showing his in triumphant poses. We are not making him into a martyr or spreading his message.

      Nor are we showing images that might distress the victim’s family or the victim’s fellow countrymen.

      We ARE discussing how firearms related to one of the most significant geopolitical events of this year.

      This is how journalism should look like. Not being the mouthpiece for a terrorist, but bringing to light information surrounding an event.

      • Rocketman

        It seems a little odd to me. If I were the assassin I would have waited until he and his bodyguards were in a weak position like just coming into a dark room or about to go into an elevator. The assassin wasn’t expecting to get out of there alive and did it in front of cameras in order to get the maximum impact for his actions. This was a set up to do more than kill one man. This was done to set up a war between two or more nations.

    • Ark

      I have to agree with this.

    • Tassiebush

      I can’t think of anything useful or consoling to say but I do feel for the troubles suffered by the citizens of your country. It seems like a place destined for great things but held back by those ba$tards.

    • Core

      I don’t see any moral quandary with this. I just see folks collaborating and trying to understand something that is wrong with the world. Life is sacred but when it’s over we are left with no dignity whether we die of natural disease or at the hands of evil men. It’s clearly a horrible tragedy, and I have seen a few derogatory comments by some judgmental types, but overall I believe the intentions of the write up has merit. I believe it’s worse to forget the tragic events and dark moments of Humanity when we choose to file them away out of a sense of respect due to our lack of proximity to the events. If we do not face the darkness and engage it, it will continue to plague us. If we forget the dark moments in history our collective memory will lead us to repeat the same mistakes of our past and someday become victim to the same ignorance that plagued our ancestors: not because we have to but because we choose to forget it.

      • Y-man

        Well, I guess I am expected to say: “Ok”. So here goes: “Ok”.
        I just PERSONALLY felt that it was too soon, and seemed like some sort of “gloating” [Since the Russians are such “big, bad wolves…” or something…]
        I have nothing against reviewing firearms that have made history – I have personally studied the Derringer from 1865 and commented on the pistol Gavril Princip used in 1914, and have studied [With some disbelief and wonder] the Carcano rifle and the .38 Special from 1963.
        I guess to everyone, his own – in terms of sensitivity. The world has made most of us like this now.
        At least – I am not the only one who felt it was too soon – just like there are several who feel it doesn’t matter.
        Thank you.

  • BaldEagle

    Frankly, when i saw the footage, i could not help but wondering which gun it was, maybe because i could not identify it right away. Call it professional bias. That does NOT make me feel less sorry for the ambassador. I’m sure many of us see it same way.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    I guess he had a pretty serious beef over Turkey.

    • I’ll have beef over turkey any day.

    • Billy Jack

      Notoriously floated that one over the plate. I always choose prime rib over Turkey at Christmas.

  • Wolfgar

    This is like showing a beheading and then having a discussion about the knife. My condolences to the man’s family and may the murderer rot in hell..

    • Sgt. Stedenko

      Page clicks, yo.
      TFB is driven by the almighty dollar

  • Jay

    This is retarded. Nathaniel , you are no different than the mainstream media “journalists” publicizing the low life “adam lanzas” of this planet.
    Complete lack of morals.
    This is the lowest form of “blogging”.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      He is simply asking a question.
      No reason to get your shorts in a bunch.

      • Jay

        It’s tasteless and retarded.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          Most of the things I enjoy on the internet are.

          • Wolfgar

            Birds of feather!

          • Tassiebush

            Man I just identify with that so much!

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    This guy got off easy. At least the Russians didnt get hold of him.
    When the Muslim Brotherhood took four Russian embassy staff hostage in Beirut in 1985 Alpha Group of Russian Special forces identified the terrorists and began removing the body parts of their relatives and sending them to the hostage takers. Shortly after the staff members were released with something close to an apology and for 25 years no Russian diplomats were harmed.

    • Joseph Goins

      Still, it’s rare for embassy staff to be killed. Prior to Benghazi, the last US ambassador killed was in 1979 in Afghanistan.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Thats true.

      • some other joe

        You need to be very specific in your definition here. There have been several US Embassy attacks in the last 20 years, and embassy staff were killed.

    • Swarf

      We just carpet bomb your country’s infrastructure, then sell you Coke and Marlboros for ever and ever, amen.

      • Wolfgar

        Not true, ever heard of a smart bomb. If we carpet bombed there would be a different song being played here.

      • Dave

        We bombed Turkey?

    • n0truscotsman

      Yep.

      GRU can be a tough crowd when you piss them off or when they decide to send a message.

  • MrBrassporkchop

    Good job, I for one actually wondered what gun it was.

  • JoshCalle
  • Joseph Goins

    I don’t think it’s a Canik TP9 unless they make a version with a single rail slot. What I have trouble processing is the stainless steel barrel. Not that many companies make factory guns with SS barrels. I hope that he didn’t order it online from an American retailer. If he did, we may get more ITAR regulations in the future.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5cf45ffe4d4494bf9c31c2ff3573a4e90bb51fdf53ada8d436fe9536c06a447d.jpg

  • Friend of Tibet
    • Hmmm, that does seem to fit the images a bit better than the Canik.

    • Joseph Goins

      That’s good investigative work.

    • Tritro29

      Yes it was his issued side arm.

      • retfed

        Nah, it was obviously a Glock. All terrorists everywhere use Glocks. Terrorism is the only reason Glocks exist. I read it in the New York Times and the Washington Post.

        • mosinman

          This looks more like an AR-15 Assault weapon

          • Billy Jack

            It’s black just like those. And it had that hole in the front too! You’re right.

  • RSG

    Apparently, there’s workplace violence in Turkey, too. Who knew?

  • JHB

    Looks more like a Sarsilmaz ST9 to me with that silver colored barrel visible at the muzzle and ejection port.

  • Arandor Thinnorion

    Given the political implications, I think this is a valid question. The firearm he used could indicate if there was something behind this attack other than lone wolf terrorism. A good foreign assassin would use a local gun like this so it doesn’t necessarily discount foreign involvement.

    However, if the gun used was a firearm tied to a particular country or a particular agency/military group in a particular country (which may not be readily available to a Turkish citizen), that could be relevant to the motivation of the attacker and any foreign interests behind the attack.

    To me, the question isn’t, “Which gun killed this guy?” It’s, “What gun was used and what does that tell us about the attacker? Does anything not add up? Does it provide any clues that could point to foreign involvement?”

    Russia is on the move right now and this event only helps them in the long run. Do you think it is beyond a former KGB leader to sacrifice one of his own for the good of the entire country? The timing was perfect. The way it was carried out was perfect. The venue was perfect. The day it happened (electoral college day) was perfect. Who benefits most from this assassination?

    The type of firearm used could provide clues for such questions.

    • Tassiebush

      But the identity of the murderer does not fit that at all. He made clear slogans then waited to die. Getting killed to be able to kill someone else is very personal. I’d suspect the murderer was absolutely motivated for the exact reasons that he stated.

      • Arandor Thinnorion

        And knowing what type of gun he used can help prove that this was simply a lone wolf terrorist attack. Not knowing could leave more room for questions.

        My comments were geared towards the people saying we shouldn’t even be discussing what kind of gun he used and it was in bad taste. Actually, it is very pertinent to the situation and can be an important piece of evidence to prove or disprove motive and accomplices.

  • Don Ward

    For all of those wringing their hands, I don’t see anything wrong with this article or how Nate pointed out what weapon was used.

  • TheDudesNeighbor

    Looks like a variant of the Turkish made Sarsilmaz ST10 to me.

  • Yeh Te

    Cmon guys, its a Sarsilmaz SAR K2P, not a Canik.

    • JHB

      I went with the ST9 based on the more squarish trigger guard and length, but could be either.

  • Frank Grimes

    Such a peaceful religion.

    • Billy Jack

      Nothing more peaceful than dead people.

  • Sledgecrowbar

    According to my Facebook feed, it was a Glock Ninte-Glock with eleven bullet clip and automatic triggerloading.

    I hate people.

  • Swarf

    I know the US isn’t Russia (yet… yet), and that’s an inhumane answer to kidnapping and terrorism, but.

    Sometimes, in my darker moments, I think, “yeah, eff it. Fair’s fair, but life’s a gamble. You kidnapped an American citizen and now we’re going to start mailing your relative’s testacles to you. Starting with your Momma.”

  • Mark Everett

    Slightly off topic. I was in Istanbul in July of this year with my family. We took a trip to Taksim Square, timing it perfectly to arrive just in time for a major riot police deployment to prevent members of the LBGT community and an ultra-right political party that had threated to kill the LBGT group members from mixing. After some mild tear-gas exposure, my family and I decided to go have tea in a nice candy store and we sat on a the second floor to observe the action.
    I noticed that the Turkish police (riot police, regular uniformed police and plain-cloths) must purchase their own weapons. Officers in the same platoon of riot police carried different weapons, in different holsters. These ranged from the ubiquitous CZ pattern Turkish handguns to a 1911 race gun, with a beveled out magazine feed, carried cocked and locked in a Kevlar holster. I also saw lots of Glocks (more than one in the back pocket of a plain-clothes officer’s jeans). Some police even had suicide holsters.
    The riot platoons were interesting. Each one had one man armed with an MP-5 variant, along with someone carrying what looked to be a pump action shotgun, but on closer inspection turned out to have a very large bore and probably fired tear gas grenades.
    Other men carried paint-ball guns loaded with pepper-spray balls. After a shouting match between photographers and police resulted in a string of paint-balls being fired into the street just below, we decided to finish our cake and tea and head back to the hotel.
    We left the next day. Three days after that was the attack on the Attaturk Airport.

    • Billy Jack

      Which is why in our new world I don’t consider international leisure travel anymore. Can’t even go to Mexico or Canada without a passport* anymore.

      (Or similar)

  • Dan

    Agree’d this is not news worthy. This is someone looking for news. The gun used is not really all that interesting.
    Had the killer used a crude homemade gun that may be worth mentioning.
    I don’t have feelings one way or the other on the guy that died. Or if this is in good taste or not. I am speaking from a gun standpoint only and this is not interesting.

  • mazkact

    Back to the gun. I own an Armalite AR 24/TC and it is likely my all around favorite pistol. I hate that the thing was made in Turkey but it really is a quality build, it is kind of hard to mess up a CZ 75 design and they threw in a little SIG 210 styling. All Turkish made CZ 75 variants I have handled are handguns I would trust in every way.
    I do think that there is more at play in this assassination than jihad. Not much information about the shooter outside the US embassy across the street on the same day……………….I need to find my tin foil hat now.

  • n0truscotsman

    Jeez. Thats a shameless USP copy.

  • Joseph Goins

    No. It didn’t have a hammer.

  • imachinegunstuff

    I gotta agree with you, the only TTAG I read is when Jeremy S reviews a gun. I always think his review are well detailed and lots of pic + Videos.

  • 7.62x54r

    Tasteless article ill-timed and shows more American media disregard for professional courtesy about a cold blooded murder. Your blog has no class. You should apologize.

  • Kafir1911

    Maybe a political attack but that is following the leftist line. It was a muslim/ISIS terror attack. Again. I know that right now in the US it is in violation of the PC rules to say it, but Islamic Jihadist are our enemy.

  • Bigg Bunyon

    I find it interesting in the second picture down (assassin’s right hand and gun), he’s practicing good gun safety by keeping his finger off the trigger. Wouldn’t want to “accidentally” shoot anybody I guess.

  • disqus_PDmXLtTxJj

    Good trigger discipline.

    • Realist

      Agree…when i first saw the vid (I saw the vid before the pic), I knew this guy was professionally trained.

  • Bill

    Not sure why some posters think the firearm ID should wait. How long would be good-3 days? A week? A year? This was a political incident and history in the making. If you have information, you publish it.

  • Aint So

    Well I’m glad we got all that settled and can now sleep in peace again without the fear that a Glock may have been used in this execution. I’m sure the victim would agree as well.

  • Oingo Boingo

    HELL-LOOW…
    Does anybody remember how sales of Glocks soared after it became known that the Luby’s cafeteria shooter in Texas used one ?

    • maodeedee

      So it isn’t the peaceful Muslims screaming Alahu Akbar that are causing all the problems, it’s those damn Joos.

      It’s not hard to tell which side you’re on.

      • Oingo Boingo

        Talmud Symp sez WHUT ?

  • William

    In a Mar 3, 2016 Review the Canik TP9 SF Black – was determined to be Out “Glocking” a Glock.

  • maodeedee

    This is the firearm blog and not the current events blog so I don’t see anything wrong with discussing what firearm was used rather than the rest of the story that the entire world is talking about.

    For that matter, I read yesterday about the Islamic terrorist who killed people in Berlin with a semi-truck and how he tried to shoot it out with Police in Milan and they showed a picture of the gun that the creep used and it looked a lot like a PPK but I could tell that it was not, because it had different slide serrations and I was curious to know what it was.

    I also found it interesting that with Europe’s strict gun laws that it was so easy for a criminal fugitive to obtain a handgun.

  • Art Nickel

    The pistol is most likely the murderer’s duty weapon as he was an off-duty police officer…

  • Niguana

    Why didnt security shoot him

  • idahoguy101

    By the outline of the pistol it appears to be a CZ75 derivative. No surprise.

  • Core

    He has excellent hand positioning, but his support fingers are not locket in, which is not surprising because most folks who use 9mm fail to understand the importance of locking the support finger tips to the firing hand due to relatively tame muzzle rise. He has excellent trigger discipline in the second image. He has decent training judging by these images and his hand positioning on his grip. In the video he probes and checks for his weapon numerous times and re-positions himself before he engages the victim, this should have warranted a security team to draw on him prior to the assassination. The media to the right of the victim, appeared to be in the path of fire. I wonder if anyone else was wounded or killed? It’s too bad Muslims keep carrying out these acts of terror, the world is starting to develop some serious stigma and stereotypes about Muslims, and these radicals are perpetuating and escalating this. I think it’s time Muslims start focusing efforts to teach their children to find constructive ways to get messages across and work towards positive change, rather than resort to needless violence. Years ago a friend who happens to be an Arab Muslim, told me his people needed to start working to end the violence and extremism, and how the Islamic world does not do enough to stop violence and fanaticism. I have discussed this phenomenon with many Muslims and unfortunately many do not take ownership to this systemic issue. I don’t feel it’s an awkward subject to discuss ways to right a wrong in my culture and in other cultures, it’s just the right thing to do. We all need to work towards a moral high ground, or we will be nothing but classless, low life criminals.

  • jay

    Yeah, I understand the comment above. Disagree with all the blather (comment by steve tfb editor). But seriously, are you doing a feature article on what weapon was used in an assassination? So what exactly are you promoting?

  • TheTruth

    I was interested in the gun used. That question has been answered. Most of the MSM discussions are garbage

  • Tim Green

    Interesting. I’m wondering which gun was used to murder Jackie Warpoole Dec. 2013 in Rutherford County, TN? Was it the .40 S&W caliber pistol owned by Edgar Domonique Covington or was it a law enforcement weapon? Funny how I can’t find any information regarding a recovered bullet in that murder. That bullet is the critical piece of physical evidence needed to determine which firearm was used in the murder. Are the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office investigators unable to find the bullet or unwilling? Pass this information along to the DOJ. The Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office is full of corruption, just ask it’s former sheriff, Robert Arnold. You will find him in a federal prison in Kentucky. I have information that indicates Jackie Warpoole’s murder was not a random act of violence. – Tim Green, 314 Tyne Avenue, Murfreesboro, TN 37130

  • Richard Lutz

    Death to tyrants and their depraved lickspittles

    Good to see that some police officers are inclined to shoot the depraved lickspittles of fascist scum like Putin. Let us hope that one of Putin’s bodyguards takes his cue from Mevlut Mert Altintas before that fascist lowlife murders any more pro-democracy activists or journalists, or shoots down and more civilian airliners like M17. The latter crime was a direct result of Putin’s war of aggression again the Ukraine in which he illegally invaded and annexed the Crimea using self-serving justifications just as Hitler did when he invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938 and annexed the Sudetenland. Sic semper tyrannis.