THE FUTURE IS HERE: LASER FIRING PIN Ignition System of Voere X3 Rifle

Austrian firearms manufacturer Voere has developed a laser ignition system for their X3 precision rifle. The system consists of a replacement bolt, which has an integral laser instead of the firing pin assembly. The system works with any conventional ammunition with the primer changed to a special one.

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Note the special primer

Laser bolt Voere X3

So this system virtually eliminates any mechanical movement in the rifle mechanism during the shooting, making it potentially an extremely precise system. It also brings the lock time close to zero. The laser inside the bolt is powered by lithium-polymer batteries. Safety of this new system works by laser’s power interruption. So in order to convert the rifle to this laser ignition system, all you have to do is to change the bolt and use ammunition with the special primers.

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Laser bolt cutaway

You can see how the conversion is done in the video below:

Historical Note

Voere has been developing electrical ignition systems since 1991. Particularly, it’s been 25 years since they released their VEC-91 hunting rifle, which used caseless ammunition and electrical primer ignition. They patented the laser ignition system in 2005. They were continuously refining it until the technologies made it possible to fit a very powerful laser in such a compact space as the rifle bolt. Eventually, they made a working conversion bolt and ammunition system.

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Voere X3 rifle

Contacts

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Address: Untere Sparchen 56 6330 Kufstein / Tirol – Austria
Website: www.voere.at ; www.voere.com
Phone: +43 5372 62547
Fax: +43 5372 65752
E-Mail:office@voere.at



Hrachya H

I was born and currently live in Armenia, where I work in a family business of leather goods manufacturing. Being a retired sergeant of my country’s armed forces and a lifelong firearms enthusiast, I always enjoy studying firearms design, technology and history. Also my knowledge of Russian allows me to translate and make Russian/Soviet/Combloc small arms related information available for the English speaking audience.
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  • iksnilol

    That’s neat, how much do those primers cost tho? Can you reload them with regular equipment ?

    • Sam Damiano

      That could be the million dollar question.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Im sure they are super affordable.

    • AMX

      Marginal cost is supposed to be lower than traditional primers (simpler construction, no copper, priming compound doesn’t have to be impact-sensitive).

      Of course, traditional primers have economies of scale on their side…

      • iksnilol

        Yeah, but them being cheaper to make should allow them to establish a foothold.

        This together with two-piece brass should allow for some fancy half-modern ammo.

        • b0x3r0ck

          Don’t forget CNC bullets those are a thing now

    • Leveller

      As I recall, there is no Primer. Its actually more like a Laser Spark Plug or Impulse Detonation.

      • iksnilol

        Okay, the “primer” AKA spark plug. You get the gist.

  • G B

    That’s awesome! Not sure I’d want to rely on electronics/batteries for the main function of a rifle intended for serious applications, but dang, that’s awesome!

    • SirOliverHumperdink

      Life is becoming completely dependent on batteries and the internet. Strange this gun doesn’t have java.

      • slow to fire, constantly locks up, and poor performance even on high-end systems?

        • Evil_Bonsai

          Got make sure to keep your ignition system drivers up to date. Nvidia is always adding new tweaks for new calibers, even if you never use the new ones.

      • Phillip Cooper

        Do NOT get me started on the steaming pile that is Java.

        If it had Java, you’d have to update the damn thing twice a week!

      • Dougscamo

        Or bluetooth…..

      • Evil_Bonsai

        Hehe, some future news report is going to be about an all electronic, internet connected weapons system being hacked.

    • Rick O’Shay

      Maybe for a high-end competition gun. I wouldn’t use it in an everyday setting.

      • John

        Isn’t that the way technology progresses in the firearms world? People said the same thing about red dots two decades ago. I think this is progress. No one thinks this tech is mature yet, but it’s fun to dream, and to see what might be one day.

    • Jake

      what if there was a way for the power to be harvested from the trigger breaking?
      like a bbq grill

      • John Golt

        Gosh Dang I am seeing amazing ideas in this thread. Seriously Jake maybe from maybe not from state farm PATENT THAT IDEA!!!!!!!!!! That is actually 100% better then the laser IMO BBQ sparker + caseless ammo = win?

    • Marco Antonio Gonzalez

      You people keep being extremely paranoic. The obvious application at this stage is not defensive/offensive but match competition or long distance record setters.

  • Andrew Benton

    Why?

    • hking

      Exactly! Sure its neat, but what problem does this fix? What is the possible benefit of this?

      • Anomanom

        Aside from the trigger, no moving parts at the moment of firing. Good for extra precise shooting.

        • John Golt

          Ya but we can easily couple this with an electronic trigger for almost no moving parts just the feeding of the next round and ejecting of the spent casing which could theoretically mean more muzzle velocity out of the same barrel length since less energy is spent doing the things that are now electronic?

      • iksnilol

        Increasing precision, reducing weight and reducing price.

    • Sam Damiano

      Eliminates the heaviest moving part of the firing mechanism for less movement of the rifle when fired. Theoretically great; practical applications, eh.
      Combined with what could now be a near zero mass trigger mechanism that would only have a spring to control trigger pull weight you would have an ignition system that produces no vibration in the rifle.
      The last variables to work out in precision are still in the ammunition.

      • Phillip Cooper

        Heaviest moving part? Wouldn’t that be the hammer and all related parts of the FCG?

        • Rick O’Shay

          Except now there’s no need for a hammer.

        • Sam Damiano

          Bolt action rifles don’t have hammers. By applying this type of a bolt to a semi auto rifle you could eliminate the hammer altogether.

          • Evil_Bonsai

            Semi-auto metalstorm?

      • DC

        Combine that with an electronic trigger and NFA? Whats that?

  • mike

    If it still uses a standard trigger what is the point. To get rid of one tiny part of a system that seldom causes any sort of a problem. Now if it came with an electronic trigger then maybe I could see a benefit.

    • Phillip Cooper

      I was thinking the same thing, but apparently you could go with a zero mass trigger since you don’t have to depend on inertia to drive the firing pin into the primer.

      Basically, makes an electric rifle.. .which means there’s that much more to go wrong.

      Also, great way to counter this sort of weapon? Directed energy, aka “herf gun”. Don’t know exactly where the sniper is? Point your HERF gun in the general direction and trigger it- and the weapon will not work again until a new BCG and etc is installed.

      Thanks, no. Would be interesting for target matches, though.

      • Jay Logan

        You can protect against HIRF, with proper electrical design.

        • Phillip Cooper

          Yes, I am aware of this- and it’s done by grounding and use of Faraday cages. Want to carry that around with you?

          • RocketScientist

            I supervise an EMI/Rad-FX test lab where we test hardened space/defense hardware. You could definitely design this system to be similarly protected in a manner that would be unotticed by the end-user.

          • Phillip Cooper

            Cool. I’m sure some of your work is not-for-public-consumption-shall-we-say, but I’d be interested if you could point me to some non-class/non-sensitive info on what you do.

          • Dougscamo

            DAMN!….You really are a rocket scientist!….

          • John Golt

            I believe him. Who do you think is on the internet? Not degenerates, not hardly, especially in a blog like this.

          • Dougscamo

            Nah….not here….. 🙂

      • iksnilol

        Oh yeah, people are carrying around herf guns all the time and have portable versions that are powerful enough to hit at hundreds of meters.

        • Phillip Cooper

          They are quite easy to build, and obviously I’m not talking about things Joe Sixpack carries in his trunk, or a situation involving Joe Sixpack in any manner.

          • John Golt

            Then you just build a faraday cage around or into your electronic gun. Arms race continues.

    • lol

      There is a huge advantage in avoiding having a sear mechanism that needs to be tuned, and the associated issues that causes for safety vs. trigger pull.

      With this you can design an electrical switch an absolutely optimal trigger pull, and a grip switch to keep things safe.

  • Dougscamo

    Well….there goes dry firing practice on the neighbor’s cat….

    • Phillip Cooper

      Cats are expendable items. Carry on.

      • Dougscamo

        True dat…..thanks….

    • DaveGinOly

      That brings up an interesting point. IF the laser is visible (the visible laser in the photo is artwork that may not accurately depict the laser – the actual laser is more likely to be an IR emitter) then this system would have a built-in, bore-sighted laser for dry firing practice and use on targets with laser sensors (and those could be made to work with even an IR laser)..

      • John Golt

        Synchronicity. This idea keeps getting better and better.

    • carlcasino

      To think I spent 900$$ on a $50.00 suppressor plus Govt. fees and Attorney fees for the Trust for Squirrel control when I could have used a 10 million laser fired bullet !

  • DanGoodShot

    Some my not see the benefits of this. Than again some are not or don’t need long range precision. I completely see the benefits of this system when someone may have to make a shot that really counts. Say shooting over a hostages shoulder from a fairly long distance.
    With that said. I don’t see this getting any real attention unless the bolt is considered “affordable”. More so, the price of the primers need to be equal to that of its more explosive counterpart.

    • Phillip Cooper

      I see your point, but it seems to me that folks doing those sorts of shots are already doing just fine without the concerns of dead batteries, etc.

      • 11b

        You know I always see people worrying about dead batteries, but it isnt a problem if you do any PCIs at all. For example, night vision uses batteries. Before stepping off you always check the battery, just like you make sure all your other kit is in order. Mistakes happen but that’s what spare batteries are for- Its really not a big issue.

        • RayRay

          Battery failure may be a low probability of occurrence, but going by the MIL-STD dictating risk categories, the consequence of occurrence would probably be defined as catastrophic (loss of life), so this system would get a fair bit of pushback from the acquisition pipline.

          There would have to be a lot of reliability testing to get this into service.

          • iksnilol

            People whine about batteries but use a phone daily that has a difficult to replace one.

            Soldiers use flashlights, radios, comms, night vision, optics and more that all runs off batteries yet nobody is dying left and right of battery failures.

          • Wow!

            And how many times has your battery died on you or got low to where you didn’t want to turn it on? Compound that with the fact that most theaters don’t have a ready supply of electricty to power much beyond a laptop or two out of a vehicle. We are going to have to make some significant leaps in kinetic generators long before I see batteries replacing analog. That said, I think it is great to use tech to compliment existing systems (like red dots with iron sights) but not to replace them.

          • iksnilol

            I dunno, I take care of my stuff, never had my phone die on me.

            Also, what about digital watches, how often do those die on you?

        • Phillip Cooper

          and yet, that’s one of the biggest issues facing strategists for the future warrior concepts. Batteries.

          Get in a protracted firefight (seige of a compound for example) and see how unimportant batteries are for you.

          Of course the obvious answer is adding a display to show the battery’s remaining charge. Hello, added complication!

          • DanGoodShot

            I was thinking more along the lines of Police/swat or long range competition but, I’ll go with you on the military hyperbole. Let me offer a rebuttal. Heres a couple scenarios/setups that would work. Lets use .308 for this. Usually you have 1 (2 if your lucky) guys that would be proficient enough to even benefit from a system like this in a unit. They go out. They get boged down in a “siege” type scenario. Your snipers batteries die in his bolt. Swap the bolt for a mechanical(the article did state thats what they did)and swap out ammo. After all, he’s using 308. Easy peasy.
            In reality, those batteries are going to be very small. There will be no excuse for the individual who is in charge of that weapon system not to have more than enough batteries to last for the next decade of constant use on his body.
            I don’t see the military throwing away EOTech, Aimpoint, lasers, laser pointers, laser designators, Communications, flashlights, not to mention all the missils, bombs and other warheads that have guidance systems just because they use batteries. We can’t stay locked in the stoned age. We would never get anywhere thinking like that. It’s progress. Again, the batteries for that bolt would be very small and very easy to carry plenty of them. As far as the systems dependability, yes, that would have to be proven before the military would even think about using it. That goes for anything and everything that the military uses in that manner. Cuz our military would never use any sort of unproven type of Technology.(as Betty White says, “Thats a joke”)

          • georgesteele

            That would require you to carry both types of ammunition – seems unlikely. A hybrid primer that could be either laser or impact fired might be a better approach.

          • georgesteele

            Just put pedals and a chain-driven generator on the stock and ride ’em cowboy back to full charge. Wow, a hand-cranked Beretta 92 . . .

      • Slobberjaw

        Dead batteries are a concern but a dirty gun will fail too.
        Maintain your batteries like you maintain your gun. Nothing is maintenance free. The problem with electronics is that they don’t wear out as much as they just stop working. Then again so can springs and pins and other parts.
        Yeah trading apples for apples really. Just need it to be as reliable as current standard. Preferably more.

  • Mud

    Ya’ll remember the Remington Etronix rifles? Didn’t think so. There is a good reason for that.

    • Sunshine_Shooter
      • Cory C

        Hahaha.

    • Sam Damiano

      Yes, same type of primer as CIWS. For sporting use it was over priced from the beginning.

    • Phillip Cooper

      I read up on that just now. I love how the article claims the system is more durable and less complicated.

      Yes, because replacing a few hunks of metal with batteries, wires, electronics and the like is totally less complication…

      … uh, wait. No, it isn’t.

      • ARCNA442

        Using older technology and fewer parts does not automatically result in a more durable and reliable system. Just look at cars – sure a modern car is more complicated and relies on computers and composites but it is also superior in every way.

        Further, in many cases an electronic solution can indeed be simpler than mechanical one. Just look at the difference between a digital clock and an analog one. On most firearms, the greatest complexity can be found in the small parts of the fire control group and there is a good chance this can be simplified by switching to electronics.

        Frankly, the firearms community needs to accept that modern electronics have reached a level of maturity that you can trust your life to (and already do all the time) and start experimenting to see what mechanical components would be better off as electronics.

        • Southpaw89

          Carburetors vs fuel injection comes to mind, my only concern would be a dead battery.

        • Ben Pottinger

          Your sort of right. The issue comes into play when you decide where to use those electronics. What happens when the lasers lens gets dirty? It’s kind of important for an optics path to not be occluded. I suspect when it gets occluded with a flake of carbon or sliver of brass it will stop firing. Will that happen more often then a mechanical design? I don’t know.

          The car is a decent analogy but there are so significant differences. With a car you usually put the electronics in a safe place not in the combustion chamber itself.

          I’d also argue we are already seeing electronics on firearms in places where they make an actual contribution and improvement. The optics, in the LED flashlights and lasers, ballistic computers, and more recently electronic triggers (which I believe have far more potential then electric ignition).

          Some other areas where electronics could be useful is maybe build TEGs into the gun itself to scavenge the waste heat to recharge the firearms electronics? Even just one magazine being fired generates a pretty serious temperature differential over ambient.

          • John Golt

            This is actually an amazing idea the TEG battery concept. Even a single round of .22 LR makes a bit of heat I have felt on the spent casing and electronics are forever getting more efficient and needing less energy.

          • Ben Pottinger

            The first time I thought about this was when we shot my (then new) M4-2000 suppressor on my friends M16. We dumped two 30rnd magazines through it back to back and it was smoking from the heat (and the barrel was smoking off the oil under the handguards). That’s a pretty significant heat differential. The biggest problem is you’d need a pretty robust TEG unit to handle the heat levels of a semi/full centerfire rifle and you’d also be adding at least a little bit of weight from the necessary cooling fins.

            Another idea that I’ve seen marketed a couple times but hasn’t really seem to catch on yet is a round counter. I even saw one that mounted inside an AR15 pistol grip and was for tracking round counts on agency firearms so that the armorer had an exact round count for that particular weapon and knew when to change the various bits that needed replacement. What I’d like to see one used for is tracking round count like the above unit did but also track fired rounds inbetween magazine changes. You could pretty easily design some sort of sensor setup to “see” when a magazine change was made and you could either have it display fired rounds (so you’d know how many you had left through basic subtraction) or you could set it up to “count down” like the rifles from the movie “Aliens” and just set it up to start at 30 rounds (or whatever you loaded your magazines too).
            i still might make one myself someday just for fun.

      • iksnilol

        I think a plug’n’play laser is more simple than the lockwork of even a bolt action rifle.

        • Sunshine_Shooter

          Simple doesn’t mean reliable, a common misconception. Simple just means fewer pieces to tweak to make reliable. You can have complex machines be reliable and have simple devices be garbage.

      • Madcap_Magician

        Well, it could be. It may have fewer moving parts, which would make it mechanically less complicated even if it is then electronically more complicated. The real question is service life and reliability.

    • Tassiebush

      I do!

    • dailyrealist

      Beat me to it, the Remington Etronx. Primers ended up nearly as costly as 50BMG ones.

  • AD

    So it looks like the “special primer” is basically a lense?

    I’ve often thought about something like this for blackpowder-style firearms, to eliminate the need for the primers. That could be interesting.

    Personally I think this is interesting; if the “special primer” is re-usable (as in, doesn’t need to be removed from the case) then that could make reloading easier. And since you don’t have to modify the firearm in any way other than a quick bolt and ammo swap, you’re not losing anything or sacrificing reliability or anything like that.

    I’m pretty sure I would buy one if it was affordable and available for my rifle.

    • Yea right

      There is always “that guy” who says “I often thought about something like this…”

      meh

      • Phillip Cooper

        Well, with 7 billion brains on the planet at the moment (more than the entirety of history), yes, it’s not at all surprising that there are no truly innovative thoughts in a given branch.

        Where innovation comes into play is folks figuring out how to go from the regular products on the market to their neat idea. That alone is a large part of the trouble.

        • .45

          “More than the entirety of history”? Tell me you don’t mean more than there have ever been people, right?

          • Phillip Cooper

            Yes I did, and in looking up backing information, seems I am wrong. Thanks for the correction!

      • roguetechie

        My buddy is obsessed with a SciFi novel where the hero uses a laser ignition caseless gun….

        Stainless steel rat I think.

        • John Golt

          Your buddy is smart. Stick with him. Might take decades but it seems pretty inevitable it will come to be made.

          • roguetechie

            LOL,

            Yeah since I’m the mad scientist with the basement machine shop who he’s always asking if the technology is to a point where it’ll work yet, and if so will I build it for him…

            I keep an eye out for signs it’ll work

    • Dan

      I would think after a few shots the lens would get pretty dirty and either need cleaning or replacement.

      • John Golt

        Maybe have a wind-shield wiper like action that clears the lense? But then we are moving away from the no moving parts benefit of the laser igniter.

    • Aaron

      Pictures a home made version. Maybe that Royal whatever guy on youtube. Striker removed from a bolt action with a mirror and lens assembly to give primers the ant under a magnifier treatment. “Hold on…… hold on… it will fire any minute now.” It’s slow but it’s green tech unlike those matchlocks. 🙂 lol

    • John Golt

      You just made me imagine somehow igniting a black powder gun with a magnifying glass… There are great things to be made still.

  • 22winmag

    I stopped reading at “The system works with any conventional ammunition with the primer changed to a special one.”

    The self-immolating TESLA of the firearms world has arrived.

  • Phillip Cooper

    Can’t help but think “conventional ammo with special primers”…. is no longer conventional ammo!

    Someone give the engineers that created this a real job to do.

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      “a real job”

      if it were up to people like you we’d all be starting our cars with a crank still

      • Phillip Cooper

        You mean people like me, Engineers with real jobs?

        • DonDrapersAcidTrip

          Yeah, you, the shitbird I was replying to

          • Phillip Cooper

            Sure you want to go there, little boy?

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            We get it you’ve made it abundantly clear how fragile your ego is

        • carlcasino

          Don’t get me started on OVERENGINEERED projects that were ultimately fixed by the Uneducated Undesirable Field Mechanic.

      • carlcasino

        My Model “A” crank was 100% reliable and only busted my wrist a couple of times. That was before you ran to the emergency room with a scratch.

  • TheNotoriousIUD
    • koolhed

      ZIP it.
      How about a Sea Bass?

  • Jake

    I thought it was a bore-sighting gimmick.. I was wrong about the ‘bore-sighting’

  • Heartbreaker

    I have an idea: get rid of ammunition entirely and make a laser rifle! No problems with dropoff or wind and it hits the target instantly!

    • Anomanom

      OTOH, unless the laser is powerful enough to punch a hole straight through someone instantly, it has to have “dwell time”, meaning it has to be continuously held on the target to do damage. (To understand this, see the videos of the navy shooting down drones with the ship laser.) This is a disadvantage compared to a conventional bullet which, if it hits, does all it’s damage almost instantaneously.

      • georgesteele

        Nah – just carry a fusion reactor in a backpack out to the field – plenty of power. What it takes to bring down a drone is much more than it takes to knock off a squirrel . . .

  • Jeff Smith

    Neat, but I’m not sure how futuristic it could be considered. Isn’t this essentially the same thing as the Remington 700 EtronX that came out years ago, but using a laser instead of an electrical charge? Remington made the mistake of making the system in a proprietary cartridge, but it’s essentially the same idea years later.

    • J.T.

      The EtronX came chambered in .22-250, .220 Swift, and .243 Win. Like this new one, the only difference was the primer, and you could buy boxes of the EtronX primers to load your own ammo with standard reloading equipment.

      • Jeff Smith

        Ah, thanks for the clarification! I remember seeing the EtronX branded ammo and thinking it was proprietary cartridge. I never realized it was just the primer.

  • Edeco

    So, what’s the wattage on this puppy?

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      40?

      • Edeco

        Hmmm, 40W range… sounds correct.

    • AMX

      Their handout said something about 280W.

      • Edeco

        O.O

        Wow, I have like no intuition for the physics involved, like the temp a spot of a certain size would reach if hit with X watts for Y milliseconds… but that’s a big number.

        • Marco Antonio Gonzalez

          A huge number, in the same handout they state that a car battery can not supply the amount of energy required in that time frame. They don´t say the amount of energy used by their laser trigger. I guess that is why they used the special primer. To reduce the amount of energy required

          • Edeco

            Hmmm, I hope Dougscamo’s neighbors’ cat doesn’t end up roaming around with little singed spots of fur, like if hit with welding spatter.*

            *kidding, doubt it would work that way, and to be clear I don’t actually condone muzzling, erm, companion animals :S

          • GaryOlson

            Laser output is modified by lenses, prisms, mirrors, transmission fibers, and such in just about all equipment which uses lasers. I would be interested to see the laser could be transmitted thru the casing cavity so the powder ignition could be initiated near the bullet.

  • Pseudo

    I get that the intended application of this is for niche precision shooting so this might be a pointless gripe, but the bolt gets dirty, no? I know that you can foul up a firing pin as well, but with laser ignition, a surface coating of gunk could really mess stuff up. Is it just not intended to be used enough for that to be an issue?

    • DIR911911 .

      how many shots does a sniper shoot before cleaning their gun ?

  • Christopher Wallace

    This is dumb for so many reasons.

    • John Golt

      Not An Argument.

      • Christopher Wallace

        you are correct, it is a statement.

  • gunsandrockets

    Very clever.

  • Henrik Bergdahl

    How well does this work with dirt in the chamber? Because that is not an unheard of thing…

    • throwedoff

      That’s what I was thinking along with water. Not every rifle is carried/utilized in a dry temperature controlled environment.

  • valorius

    We are reminded almost every day that the future is here.

  • Jim Jones

    Don’t really see the advantage here. The antiquated firing pin hitting a primer works faster than anyone will be able to notice, and it works every time with quality ammo. Hell, let’s take out the stuff that works every time and put in electronics and a battery, sounds like a great idea.

    What happens when you get foweling between the laser and the ammo. What happens to the laser when the bolt gets up to 400* after a mag dump.

    Maybe I should just get a flintlock, I will never trust this crap.

    Innovation is cool and all, but it would be better to be able to use this as a boresiter or a dryfire trainer than it’s intended purpose.

    • Malthrak

      From what it sounds like, this isnt intended to be used in situations where fouling or mag dumps would be an issue, its a part designed to marginally increase accuracy on precision long range rifles that are going to be shooting limited amounts of expensive special ammunition anyway in relatively clean conditions, not something to put in an AK with some dude in a trench.

    • Major Tom

      If you had a weapon that doesn’t spray carbon and gas all over the chamber aka everything not-AR the dirt over the lens concern is a minimal risk. The only real way to get dirt on it in that situation is have dirty bullets or debris entering via the muzzle. If that happens I’d be surprised a misfeed didn’t occur.

  • Frank Grimes

    This will be forgotten in a week, just like the one Remington did.

    • iksnilol

      Not really really, Remingtons used completely proprietary ammo and rifles.

    • Lance

      Stop tryin to be me!

      • DW

        FAKER real lance would have yawned

      • Frank Grimes

        Who are you?

  • Seth Hill

    Oh the liberals are going to love this. No way to use forensics on the fired brass to match a firing pin to a gun.

    • Dan

      They still could. Scratches on the outside of the case. Marks from the extractor etc. There is still metal to metal contact happening.

      • Twilight sparkle

        It’s not like police actually use that very often anyways, the only one that might realistically get used would be to see if the rifling matches and that would only be used if the bullet didn’t deform.

  • Anonymoose

    It’s not really “conventional ammunition” if you have to use special laser-sensitive primers to shoot it.

    • iksnilol

      Same cases, bullets and powder says conventional to me.

      • Anonymoose

        You have to replace the primers. Those primers are not usable in regular firearms, and regular primers are not usable in this. That says “unconventional” and “proprietary” to me. You might as well just switch to LSAT plastic-telescoped cartridges with laser ignition and not try to retrofit old-style cases.

        • iksnilol

          I dunno, if you go LSAT you can’t use your old rifle nor reloading supplies.

        • Quest

          Is it even still called LSAT? I tought its renaimed CT LMG.

  • b0x3r0ck

    When are they making one for the AR-15 that’s the real test

  • MPWS

    From now on the ‘ident’ will be right it center, so its consistency. Good move Voere!

  • Voice from East

    Niche solution for a niche weapon type. Well, let it be so.

  • noob

    I hope this becomes legal for F-class bench rest or those wacky guns on rails.

    also, if you are going to the trouble of making a laser fired rifle, why not design an all new action with a huge bolt that houses a >10mw laser diode – you know the kind that can set books on fire from across a football field?

    then all you need is some fairly sensitive primers, and just paint em black. the heat from the paint burning off should set off the primer.

  • Cal S.

    But will it work in the daylight?

    I’m kidding.

  • Capn Jack

    OH Boy! Something else to fail when the batteries go dead

    • Dan

      Or how well is it going to work on avery hot sun soaked firing line, or in the winter?

  • Gregory

    This product will be short-lived. Keep electronics out of firing mechanisms. Electronics can fail and are a specialized item not readily available or repairable. Some things are better left alone.

    • User

      Its not meant for some self defence, its just for reducing any moving parts before fireing, a hammer swing before firing can decrease accuracy. In therms of competition.

  • Steven Alexander

    Cool but how does it compare to a Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range??

  • Nicholas Trueblood

    a great way to overcomplicate things. I can imagine hunting in the cold and the battery dies as soon as I see that 28 point trophy buck walk by.

    • User

      I dont think its meant for hunting. Its meant for reducing any moving parts before fireing, a hammer swing before firing can decrease accuracy. In therms of competition, or maybe hostage rescue.

  • mazkact

    Flintlocks just keep looking better and better to me. Just a rock 😉

  • Tassiebush

    Different design and idea but I recall reading that a German aircraft cannon in WW2 was electric primed but the primer was a mix of conventional primer compound and graphite to make it conduct. Using that approach brings to mind ideas that a primer could be designed that works with both conventional and electric priming. That could make for a transitional technology. Cost may or may not be an issue.

  • Tassiebush

    It’d be cool if this bolt had a feature letting you bore sight as well by the beam. Not sure it’d be visible?!

  • Slobberjaw

    Think about if this were applied to automatics. Rate of fire would be controlled by the laser. The same gun could have a completely adjustable fire rate. No auto sear. No rate reducer. No hammer. Fewer pins and springs to wear out and break. I bet replacing a busted laser would be quicker than replacing a spring or pin. It could have a setting that would flash the laser like a strobe after the bolt closes giving a specific fire rate. Couple this tech with a central battery that powers your rds, nv, etc. and you essentially have the cordless drill of the firearms world.
    …or cordless nail gun if you will.

    • John Golt

      So Sexy. I love it. I’ve seen like 3+ ways this can be amazing.

  • RickH

    I predict that in 5 years, this system will be used by 5 people……

    • John Golt

      No one will ever stop using muh whale oil. That oil out of the ground is just a fad. I mean look at Nantucket, we have so many whaling ships!!!!111one111oneone!111

  • Jeff NME

    Conventional ammunition + special primers = special ammunition.

    • John Golt

      Language Policing + You = The opposite of innovation.

      • Jeff NME

        It must hurt when the fact of the matter is pointed out.

  • Mike Lashewitz

    All fine and dandy till the battery fails. Which is easier to replace? a failed laser or a simple firing pin? Seems like a lot of over kill for a possible under-kill.

    • John Golt

      Well a musket has way fewer moving parts then a modern rifle. I mean why do we even use cartridges? All fine and dandy until we run out of the right size cartridge. Black Powder for life bro.

      • Mike Lashewitz

        Was there an actual point here John? Are you saying having a laser is better in some way? Or are you saying having a muzzle loader is better that a semi auto? I must ask which you would prefer in Combat?
        Personally having lived in a combat zone and having to carry a rifle a 75 pound field pack and 6 magazines of 33 rounds each. I am thinking the magazines and the semi auto (or full auto for idiots) if just a smidgen better. And for some odd reason I never needed a battery?
        Was there any real point to responding at all? Or do you feel like you have been “published” as some sort of justification for an inane comment?
        I mean really?
        Are you an armorer by chance? Ready to perform a battery-ectomy in the middle of battle?
        I am… an armorer. A gunsmith. And a combat veteran… And you?

  • georgesteele

    A few thoughts: could enable the use of spitzer bullets in tubular magazines – no risk of recoil triggering a chain fire; if aligned with the bore axis, might be a handy precision sighting mechanism – no need for a cartridge-shaped laser boresighter; batteries don’t have to be a problem if capacitors and mechanical generator tech is added; with a recoil-operated generator, you could probably recharge the capacitor bank. In a pinch, you could use your target rifle as a kitty toy (I’ll catch that damned red dot one day – I just know it . . .) Details on the nature of the “primer” would be interesting.

  • georgesteele

    Speaks more about how you treat animals than about the cat.

  • Nathan Means

    So lets make the most important part of the gun electrical? Oh man my battery died, guess this gunfight is on hold until I pull my bolt and change the batteries.

    Or wait…. Or your kid decides to shine a laser light at your ammo can. Boom

  • Sgt. Stedenko

    Yay,
    More color coded magazines required to prevent accidentally inserting a mag full of laser primers in a standard rifle.
    Thank god Magpul just introduced that other coyote FDE color. /s

    • John Golt

      > Options and innovation I do not have to partake in are are bad.
      This is you. If you are a Sergeant I feel bad for your troopers.

  • brian

    Constant on laser=full auto …nice dollar store hack lol

  • Niguana

    Pointless

  • John Golt

    Thank you old people. I hope you know unlike most of my generation I treasure and hang on every single word you say even if it doesn’t make sense now. I store and and remember it because often times it makes sense years later. Thank you and all of your generation for giving us what we have I will do my best to protect and treasure you and America.

  • David Harmon

    DAMN!! I bet his ass was burning still 7 days later, when I read that.