FULL CONCEAL FC-G17 80% Glock Receiver

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Okay, this one is going to take some convincing. Full Conceal, Inc., is offering an 80% Glock receiver that has been designed around deep concealment. Sporting a virtually non-existent grip, the design includes a magazine pouch affixed to the light rail. When drawn, the pistol is deployed by inserting the magazine into the magazine well, thereby creating a grip.

The benefits as stated by Full Conceal is a very compact package that does not print like a standard handgun. It is also billed as an alternative to ultra-compact guns because it has the sight radius of a full-sized pistol.

From the Full Conceal Website:

  • Reliability
    Original Glock components can be used
  • Non-Pistol Imprint
    Even with no holster, carrying in your pocket, no one will know…
  • More Carry Options
    Due to the rectangle imprint, carry on the ankle, detective style,…etc. and being able to full conceal is now realistic

 

Full Conceal

 

Don’t Compromise
Why settle for small magazine capacity, short barrel, short sight radius? When you go up against bad guys, from crazy mass shooters, terrorists, you need the maximum firepower you can comfortably conceal and carry. Having the larger pistol means faster follow up shots, higher bullet velocity, and better accuracy. Own the situation and make each shot count.

The downsides as I see them: the draw procedure requires removing the magazine from its carrier, inserting the magazine into the grip and racking the slide if you (hopefully) don’t carry it with a loaded chamber. If you do carry with a loaded chamber, the removal of the magazine creates the possible problem of flagging your hands and fingers with the muzzle. Of lesser concern is the fact that the light rail is no longer available for weapon light.

I am all for innovation, but I worry that the FC-G17 creates more problems than it solves. I hope they prove me wrong.


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  • Audie Bakerson

    Well on the bright side it’s another option for ghost glocks.

  • VanDiemensLand

    Tat is just about the stupidest thing I have ever seen, talk about slow to deploy.

  • d

    I have not seen anything this dumb since the pistol with the bayonet

    • Duray

      The bayonet could actually be useful for police entry teams or similar. Using a pistol at point blank/contact distance. It included a standoff device.

  • Spencer

    Doesn’t seem like the best choice for self defense, but the CIA might find a use for it.

  • ColonelColt

    For places where even printing is considered brandishing this might make sense. I assume you would carry it with a round in the chamber at least. It would make more sense if they had an ultra short magazine to stay in the grip and the magazine had a plastic piece on it to create more of a real grip when inserted into the gun. At least they’re trying for something different.

    • lee1001

      Where do they consider printing as brandishing?

      • Harry’s Holsters

        It used to be in NC. What about an office environment where you don’t want people to know you’re carrying. This is a very real situation that many live with everyday.

  • MrBrassporkchop

    This is stupid.

    How about like an underfolder ak buttstock! And the magazine doesn’t need to be taken out but something activates to allow you to push it in the rest of the way once it’s in the right position?

    Still stupid but it’s MY stupid.

    • iksnilol

      You could have the grip and mag fold to the back and over the slide. So to get it in action it’d be like swinging down an overfolding stock.

      • roguetechie

        If you did that, you could integrate a skeletonized muzzle standoff, spring load the opening mechanism and integrate an autorack slide function hehe.

        Plus side to that is you could probably modify an ultralight open class optic mount from a race gun.

  • Blackhawk

    May not be the most practical thing for everyone, but I can see this idea having potential as a backup gun. If nothing else, give them some credit for thinking outside the box on this thing. Innovation, good or bad, is is how we get all the new stuff in this industry.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Exactly right.

    • Dougscamo

      Putting it in a box may be the most potential for this….

    • MindMelder

      Agreed. Keep innovating. Maybe I could conceal it in my mankini for days when suits are a no go. All jokes aside. This could be useful for security personnel should their primary weapon be compromised or taken away from their belt.

    • Bill

      I dunno about a BUG. It needs to be stowable on an ankle, vest strap or pocket and I need to be able to access it from a position of disadvantage and get it into the fight with one hand.

      I don’t see an advantage over a G43, LCP or J-Frame.

      • q q

        Magazine capacity and caliber are the main PRO’s over smaller pocket pistols or single stack weapons like a G43. I know someone that carries a Glock 27 with the grip chopped and a magazine chopped off a bit as a BUG. The plus is that the Glock 27 will accept their Glock 22/23 duty mags if needed. Little different, but I understand the idea.

    • R3

      I wouldn’t want to carry one but I could see this being very useful in an emergency kit or bug out bag. Being able to store the gun vertically in a pelican case would free up a lot of space for other emergency supplies.

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        This may actually be the best application for this gun. Storing it somewhere inconspicuously, where you have a few seconds to deploy it.

    • Badwolf

      I give them credit for trying. But imo this attempt is lazy. All they did is chop off a g17 and attach a mag holder to the rail.

      Copying the folding grip idea of magpul fmg would be better, not sure if its patented.

      • Nimrod

        After looking at this for awhile I’m pretty sure this is a Polymer80 80% frame that is cut down with a mag holder added. I actually think it is a pretty interesting idea with a lot of possibilities for further modification and improvement.

        • Badwolf

          Yup that’s what I said… a g17 with frame cut down. It’s not a new idea.

          • Bigbigpoopi

            The 26 has two finger grooves. That guy chopped it BEYOND.
            I wonder if I can find a Bubba’d 17 now…

          • Badwolf

            Yes I can see in the picture how short it is. What I meant is the idea of chopping the grip isn’t new. All they did is chop it more and add a mag holder.

  • Jim Slade

    Profoundly stupid.
    “Hang on just a second while I d!ck around with this magazine…”
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75c57d154679e482612da62ce617033baaba1a130a1eb37926b15e4010515edc.gif

    • MrBrassporkchop

      Harrison Ford was sick when they shot this scene. They had planned a cool fight scene and Ford just wasn’t up for it which resulted in this iconic scene.

      • crackedlenses

        For what it’s worth this was even better and definitely more memorable.

        • Anonymoose

          But the sword guy spent a lot of time perfecting his moves…

          • QuadGMoto

            I kinda feel bad for him. But at least he’s probably among the most recognized opponents in movie history. And everyone does know that he did the work.

          • Kevin Riley

            Han shot first. And so did Indy!

            🙂

      • valorius

        I heard he had to take a doodoo.

        • CA

          This is all people think about these days: poop and pee. I’m ready for this decade to be over.

          • valorius

            I only think about ’em when i have to do ’em.

        • Cynic

          Food poisoning from the set truck iirc

    • Gabe Is Fat

      Couldn’t you just attach the magazine and carry it like THAT? You would effectively have the same exact thing as a regular pistol, but the ability to simply remove the magazine for extra concealability.

  • Nick Grahm

    Is a two more inches of sight radius worth this? What’s wrong sticking a G17 mag in a G26? Or better yet, just cut down a G17 grip. Someone (was it Pincus?) did this with his G19.

    • Anonymoose

      You can always get one of those dust cover extensions from Lone Wolf and put a G19 slide on a G26, or a G17, or 34 slide on your G19. I also noticed that they now have 4.6″, 5″, and 6″ barrels for the G29 and G30, which means they must be planning on releasing a dust cover soon to put 20 and 21 slides on the 29 and 30…

      • iksnilol

        What about a G34 slide on a G26?

        • Anonymoose

          That’s double the open space, so I don’t think it would work with a normal slide cover.

          • iksnilol

            yeah, but get like two covers and just… sorta shimmy it in there.

  • john huscio

    Nooope

  • Bill

    I guess it’s “innovative,” but they left out “safe” and “practical.”

  • Harry’s Holsters

    This is pointless, but I kind of want one now! haha

    Practically the only thing this is good for is a mass shooter situation where you happen to be in the right place where you have time to “assemble” your weapon. Any kind of violent attach with

  • John

    I feel like they missed a way to make this way better. If they included a grip shaped magazine spacer, and made the magazine storage well mate up neatly with that, they could have a pretty normal ergonomic grip.

    Of course this does nothing to alleviate the “slow draw” problem…

    • Cooper Berrysmith

      Exactly what i was thinking about the spacer, especially because the mag isnt completely covered by the holder (?), there is definitely room for a spacer

  • Tim

    This completely solves the finger groove problem….

  • Captain obvious

    I see all kinds of possibilities with this thing. Brilliant!

  • iksnilol

    I like it, they should make a flush fitting mag for it though, even if it is only like 5-6 rounds it’s nice to have the gun ready to go immediately. They should also make a shortened 13 round mag or something so that it doesn’t extend so much past the end of the slide.

    • Mystick

      I wouldn’t want to shoot something with only one, maybe two fingers on the thing for control – one of which is supposed to be actuating a trigger.

      • codfilet

        The rest of your hand would be wrapped around the magazine

        • Anonymoose

          AFTER you insert the magazine.

        • Cymond

          The rest of your hand wouldn’t have anything to grip if using a flush fitting magazine like iksnilol was suggesting.

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, but that flush mag is only to have something to go on before putting in the “real” mag.

        • Mystick

          Good point.

      • Anonymoose
        • Cymond

          If you don’t know, that weird thing was designed to avoid CA’s definition of a pistol grip, but arguably fails at its goal.

          • iksnilol

            It’s a pistol grip?

          • Cymond

            CA defines a pistol grip as allowing a “pistol style grasp where the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top of the exposed portion of the trigger while firing.”

            Basically, it’s not OK if you can wrap your thumb behind and below the trigger.

          • iksnilol

            But if you can wrap your thumb above the trigger it’s A-Okay? 😛

          • Cymond

            Yup, which is why traditional stocks, like on a Mini-14, are perfectly fine in CA.

      • iksnilol

        BOOO!

        You wimp. Derringers have been doing that for more than a century.

  • Swarf

    Well… I guess it is time to start thinking about white elephant gifts.

  • gunsandrockets

    This new Glock concept is just a short step away from a full-on MAT-49 SMG style folding grip.

    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/uzbrojenie/images/b/bc/MAT-49Folded.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120610190652&path-prefix=pl

    I’m surprised I haven’t seen a folding grip experiment for the J-frame DA revolver, similar to those currently available for the NAA mini-revolver.

    • Mr Mxyzptlk

      With a J frame revolver (hammerless or bobbed hammer anyway) if you cant it the width is about the same as the vertical width between the top of the frame and the bottom of the trigger guard so all a folding grip would buy you is a package that was slightly shorter. I suppose it would make it safer if you were pocket carrying, but that is it.

      • gunsandrockets

        A folding grip would allow a full size grip on a J frame.

  • 3==>~Sharia

    It is innovative, but probably doesn’t go far enough to become a success by just modifying a Glock. If someone were to manufacture a pistol that folded the entire grip/magazine into a straight line, and was quick to deploy, then I think that could catch on big time. I imagine a unique trigger system might be necessary.

  • El Duderino

    Rectal toolkit Glock?

  • Sebastian James Ray

    I kinda like it, hide-a-glock

  • spencer60

    That’s actually a neat idea.

  • Robert Jackson

    Be advised, without the support of the magwell, the chances for a jam or failure to load are quite high

  • Nicholas C

    They should have made it like the Magpul FMG. Just without the stock. The grip folds and holds the magazine in place similar to what this Full Conceal does. All you do is unfold it and rack the round in the chamber.

    • therealgreenplease

      While thinking about it, you could evolve Full Conceal’s concept so that the portion holding the magazine pivots to form the rest of the grip and then you just have to tap the magazine the last 1/4″ or so to seat it. This would make for a less cumbersome draw and a better “grip”. To draw from, say, an ankle holster, the gun would be secured by the slide and you’d pull from the bottom of the trigger well. This would be begin to pivot the gun into form and the gun would not release until the “grip” had snapped into the body. From that point, it’s just a quick tap, rack, bang which should be instinctual for most shooters in a defensive situation anyways. Personally I think that the ideal application would be something like a Glock 43 but with a slightly extended slide and magazine: perhaps 10-12 rounds and a corresponding slide length.

    • BryanS

      Great minds think alike 🙂

    • mechamaster

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d2c56a96b04fe3b343f0a2b684194996c02d2b0f17de07c155d1ef51c434ab77.jpg

      Googling some “folding pistol” stuff. Found the Russian-folding pistol. Lol

  • thedonn007

    A folding grip would be better.

  • Eggcelent

    Something about this makes me think of the Glock Fireside Chat…

  • BattleshipGrey
  • Shankbone

    What about a flush-length mag, instead of the “extendo” out the front, under the bore? Also, I don’t have a NEED for this gun, but that doesn’t meen I can’t envision a situation where this design might fill a niche. This is a creative design and I would like to see a second generation.

  • USMC03Vet

    How do you draw something safely like that? Looks like a glock leg magnet.

    • valorius

      LMAO

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      You carry with no rounds in the chamber. Maybe draw with a pinch grip on what little grip there is?

    • Billy Jack

      With crayons. No sharp stuff.

      • USMC03Vet

        Which begs the question why a product called a “sharpie” is anything but sharp….

        • Billy Jack

          You’re obviously a trouble maker. Adding your name to the list.

  • malachi13

    Use a G19 magazine, then adjust the mag holder so it can accomodate one of those grip extenders you can slide around your magazine. You still get more ammo while having a semi-complete grip once you insert the magazine. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fda8a7ab80cf86f2d4ba402ac8b1323add11c868b0146f4d7501a2e7ecfdc463.jpg

  • plumber576

    Meanwhile in Brazil Taurus is having a meeting about putting this into production which includes calculating how much the recall will cost.

  • Rocket_Fiend

    Shoot, why not cut down a 26 mag and have a “contact belt” ready to roll in addition to the stored full size.

  • Anonymoose

    “Ready in seconds”
    “When milliseconds count, your glawk doesn’t even have a mag in it.” This may be the worst idea for a “carry gun” ever- even more so than Israeli-carrying your gun or decocking a single action. They need to just ask Magpul for the rights to the FMG/FPG and bring that to market. I could see this thing as a covert assassination tool if you had a threaded barrel and sights on it too, and the person using it carried a tiny single-stack backup pistol for split-second defense, though.

    • iksnilol

      Israelis would love it what with their love for carrying rifles without magaziens.

  • Roy G Bunting

    No way to safely draw the gun. If it was a folding mechanism and there was some hook to draw it and fold the magazine into the well, maybe it’d be useful.

  • Nobody Inparticular

    Seems perfect for a backpack gun.

  • robert57Q

    Good luck finding a holster for that.

  • Swarf

    Good luck passing that.

  • valorius

    Goofy.

  • valorius

    Here’s an innovative idea for someone to try, you can have it for free:

    Make an AR-7 style glock “SBR” that can be stowed in it’s own waterproof stock.

    Glock fanboys would by those like hot cakes.

  • Goody

    As an Australian I’m interested in anything that passes our minimum 4.8″ barrel restriction and offers some level of concealment. Phone cases are getting pretty big but they’re not P-09 big.

  • mechamaster

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/599fb4f237a1ccabbce3b5c22b243a2ffc7e37190746a8d67de55f816ec44122.jpg

    Did anyone remember that the Prototype Magpul FMG 9 is utilized Glock receiver too, and redesign the whole pistol grip to make it folding submachinegun ? This is like the simplified version.

    • William Elliott

      yah, Magpul really missed the boat by not following up with a pistol version.

      • Wow!

        It’s not so much Magpul overlooked innovation, but they decided it wasn’t profitable going into weapons manufacturing. After the botch up with the ACR partnership, Magpul basically decided to keep their firearms venture as promotion advertisement and leave it at that. I sort of don’t blame them, although I think if they stayed in the market a little longer, the shortage of firearms in the following years would have provided them the funding needed to keep their weapon development off the ground. Lots of small companies got their feet wet during the 2008-2012 years.

    • SirOliverHumperdink

      the FPG airsoft version is cool

  • Troy Lund

    Trigger housing should be covered while mag is stowed… That way you could safely keep one in the “pipe”. I should work for you guys. Why haven’t you seen this?

  • Cal S.

    Well, I mean, now I can carry a 22-rounder for my G22 without using up too much real estate…

    On a serious note, using the magazine as the grip is pretty interesting. I think it would make a nice backpack gun and one for the “Get-home bag” types than a viable concealment option.

  • Dean Gilbert

    80%???? What does ATF say about this? Any serial numbers? Lots of questions that need answers.

    • Cymond

      “80%” is an industry marketing term, not a legal term, for an incomplete receiver that is not considered a firearm, yet is as close as possible to crossing the line.

      Federally, it’s perfectly legal to build your own gun without a serial number. It’s even legal to sell it, but not legal to build with the intent to sell. You must complete the receiver yourself without outside intervention. While it appears that tutorial videos online are acceptable, ATF shutdown “build party” classes. Likewise, they forbid renting the tools or workspace from someone else, but you could arguably buy the tools and later resell them.

      State laws vary, of course.

      • Dean Gilbert

        Just as I thought. Nothing but a marketing ploy. 80% receivers are available for AR’s and a couple of other guns on a legal basis. Shouldn’t be allowed to mislead the buying public.

  • Ark

    “Why settle for small magazine capacity, short barrel, short sight
    radius? When you go up against bad guys, from crazy mass shooters,
    terrorists, you need the maximum firepower you can comfortably conceal
    and carry”

    Please, someone tell me I’m not the only one who violently rolls my eyes when I hear a sales pitch like this.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Oh, you weren’t the only one.

    • BrotherLazarus

      You weren’t the only one.

      You can also get around the whole “but you’ve GOTTA have a subcom otherwise!” by, you know… getting a good IWB holster. OF COURSE a full frame is gonna print bad in a piece of crap like an Uncle Mike’s, but I carry a full size 1911 without printing in a plain shirt because I spent extra cash on an actual holster.

      This strikes me as the worry-gun for someone who isn’t quite educated enough to realize that there are better options, and hasn’t yet broken in one or more actual IWB holsters to find one that works–possibly someone that was given something like an Uncle Mike’s soft IWB (which are garbage with full frame pistols) and can’t solve his printing issues.

  • trjnsd

    The concept is interesting. It makes a full-sized handgun much more compact and “pocketable”. But what about a single-stack magazine and gun, like maybe a G43. And maybe instead of a plastic holder for the magazine, how about a magnet? Or a pivoting holder, whereby the magazine would simply pivot into the mag well; one slap home and you’re good to go – ?

  • David Galeano

    Cute. Not practical for any type of on duty work or a second back up pistol, when on duty as an LEO or Private Security Officer. A life is to precious to lose when fumbling for two seconds or more, unholstering the pistol and removing the magazine then combat loading the pistol.

  • BryanS

    Better option would be to have the magazine turned in such a way that the body of the magazine could be rotated back, and then your palm could slam it home. Less movement, less to memorize.

  • The Gimmick Level is over 9000!

  • .45

    I dunno. As they say, it is for deep concealment, where you absolutely don’t want anyone to see you printing. For most situations where a thug grabs you and you need a gun NOW, no good. For something like an active shooter where they Starr down the hall from you and you have a minute to do something, well, it is better than practicing your please-don’t-kill-me speech.

    Not saying I want one, but I can see some people might want it in a niche sense.

  • Justin Roney

    If you need a deep concealment gun, get one that fits in a pocket holster with a square cover flap (like the one I bought from Kahr years ago and still use everyday) and no one will suspect you are carrying. If you’re going into a higher threat environment and you want a midsize or full size pistol, wear an overshirt or tuckable holster. Using the magazine as a structural component of the grip to absorb recoil, when neither it nor the mag catch was designed for those forces, will eventually cause a failure. If there is enough play, you could also change the feed gemometry enough to cause a FTF. I have serious concerns about the durability of this setup.

  • jerry young

    While I do see some actual uses such as the AR7 take down rifle this would be good for the backpacker or as a survival weapon, for practical use The magazine is too narrow for a proper grip the lower part needs to be enlarged to allow for this, I would only consider this for a back up weapon, it would take too long to un-holster or pull from deep concealment, insert the magazine and chamber a round unless you carry a round in the chamber, by the time you perform all the required steps you or someone else you are trying to protect would be dead, a good idea but maybe a little more design effort is in order.

  • Vizzini

    Bookmark this and come back to it in six months for a “Whatever happened to…” moment. This is a ridiculous gimmick.

  • QuadGMoto

    Is there any mechanism to make sure the magazine stays with the pistol until you want to remove it? If not, you could draw your pistol only to discover that the mag is still in your pocket. That could get sticky fast. (As if having to take 3 or 4 steps just to fire wasn’t already slow enough.)

  • Bradley

    It’s not for me. It doesn’t seem any worse, in theory at least, than any of the folding guns or similar setups.

  • uisconfruzed

    I like them thinking outside the box.
    For now I’ll stick with my G27 and a backup G22 mag.

  • mike

    I can see a use. Can you have a three round magazine?

  • Peter (BE)

    In some jurisdictions this could make the difference between carrying a gun, requiring a permit, and just transporting a gun. Hmmmm.

  • Joby

    This seems incredibly stupid. I want one.

  • Z

    How about a shipping with a short 2-3 round mag so you can get it into action quickly in an emergency

  • Jim Slade

    It occurs to me that the pistol is NOT the most dangerous thing in that picture:
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1db83d305bf39f1bbdfa6270e86f194b7fe2bb5741052da8fb719e00b6827071.png

    • bikeman

      that’s an S7 edge, it was the S7 Notes that had the battery issues. completely different phone.

  • Hoplopfheil

    That’s insanely cool. Maybe a bit stupid, but sometimes you have to be a bit stupid to invent new stuff.

  • 22winmag

    Why settle? Things like one handed operation and “instant on” come to mind.

  • Doug Graham

    Way too many problems for this “pistol” to be effectively utilized.

  • Brett

    I just want the mag holder front part to put on a regular pistol. Like a pistol version of a redi-mag.

  • David Spencer

    In one word-no

  • John Dalton

    OK, here’s what they need to do:

    Weld a switchblade to the side of the gun so you can stab your way to a safe spot to put your gun together and protect yourself!

  • Blatant Hypocrisy

    I’m all for innovation but they already designed a gun that fits this purpose, it’s called a Glock 26. Even with the limited sight radius it is still accurate enough to get the job done.

  • James Thompson

    It occurs to me this would be easier to do with a Sig P320/250

    The frame is not serial numbered, and you can buy new frames for $50 or so. All you need to do is hack off the grip portion of the frame, and glue the hacked off frame to a magazine. Then you would have a completely normal feeling grip for shooting. Alternatively, you could just hack off the frame and use the mag as a grip as shown in this article.

    Then you just need to invent a mag pouch that mounts to/replaces the trigger guard and sell that.

    $50 spare frame+ $50 mag pouch kit= $100, pretty good value IMO with plenty of profit margin for the mag pouch.

    I really like this as a bug out bag/car trunk/etc Option.

  • Hobojoe

    This is a joke. The company completely copied the frame design from polymer80. Also as explained in the article the idea is really impractical.

  • Y K

    .
    There are some things which should be “pondered”
    but never built….
    .

  • robocop33

    No, by time you pull this firearm out, pull the mag out of it’s container and then insert it in the mag well, then charge the firearm, you will be laying dead with no less than 6 well placed bullet holes in you by the bad guy. No thank you.

  • Justin Clark

    I hope they paid Polymer 80 for using their frame…

  • Vindíctam Draconis

    I can only think of a couple uses for this, a hidden backup or a hide away in your gear or 3 a novelty toy. If you’re going to be foolish enough to try an carry one of these as your main carry you are going to get half a dozen rounds pumped into you by the time you have that drawn and put together.

  • Bryan Blake

    i feel like the the missing grip should be included and it could folded into place along with
    the mag at the same time

  • BigR

    I DON’T THINK THIS IS WHAT I NEED!!!!! I’LL STICK WITH A CONVENTIONAL PISTOL!!

  • Gunnrd

    I like it. I want one. Dont ask me why. Just I do.

  • frrst245

    If it also came with a tiny 4-6 rnd mag for immediate need, then let you rapidly drop and reload when you get a couple of seconds, it would make so much more sense.