Kenya Burns 5,000+ Guns

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Before you shed any tears, I want you to review the attached pictures and see if there are any rifles you would have saved from destruction in Kenya. A cursory search shows at least a few Yugoslavian AKs, HK-91s and maybe even a single shot break-action H&R rifle or shotgun. Emotions aside, low temperature burning is probably an inefficient way to destroy guns – we have some talented gunsmiths around these parts that might be able to make parts kits from those AKs.

NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — Kenya’s deputy president on Tuesday set ablaze more than 5,250 firearms seized by authorities to discourage the circulation of illegal weapons in a country battling extremist violence.

Deputy President William Ruto presided over the burning of rifles and pistols in three stacks about 15 feet high. They were recovered in this East African country over the past nine years, Ruto said. Most of the firearms were collected through voluntary surrender, others from violent criminals that were recovered by security personnel and some from the government’s disarmament efforts, he said.

Kenya has stringent gun laws and obtaining a license is difficult. Applicants must go through several interviews and background checks. Despite the precautions, hundreds of illegal guns are smuggled into Kenya through porous borders, especially from Somalia, Kenya’s war-torn neighbor to the north. Authorities estimate that at least 500,000 guns are illegally held by civilians.

Kenya has been attacked more than 100 times by Somalia’s Islamic extremist rebels, al-Shabab, who have recruited hundreds of Kenyans. Al-Shabab has vowed retribution on Kenya for sending its troops into Somalia to fight the militants in 2011. The extemists’ most deadly attacks were carried by gunmen wielding rifles including the assault on Westgate Mall in which 67 people died in 2013 and the April, 2015 attack by four gunmen on Garissa University which killed 148 people, mostly students.

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Pete

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  • John

    I don’t see any AR-15s, so yeah, burn them all.

  • Andrew Miller

    I would take a couple HK91’s off their hands, just for giggles.
    I mean, 7.62×51 isn’t growing on trees nowadays…I do remember it going for less than what Wolf/WPA 7.62×39 goes for now.

  • Travis Brown

    Gun Lives Matter.

    • Martin M

      Why does TFB continue to post horrible things like this. It gives me a sad.

      • Sasquatch

        To remind you what could happen if you lay down your rights.

        • supergun

          Exactly. You hit the bullet on the primer. And we just did dodge this bullet this election.

          • Mystick

            Bullets don’t have primers.

          • supergun

            My bullets do. In fact, when I look at my bullet, I see a shell holding the projectile. Right behind that shell is a primer that causes that bullet to fire. You are not a liberal,,,,are you?

          • Wow!

            Bullet= Projectile
            Case/Shell/Brass= Housing
            Primer= Deformable unit containing a pressure sensitive explosive
            Cartridge/Round= One unit of ammunition

            Are you sure you aren’t the liberal?

          • supergun

            You are the one who started the bullet bull sh**. I just set you straight. Don’t comment on things that you don’t know the hell about.

          • Wow!

            Lol, wut? I commented in reply to you.

            A bullet doesn’t have a primer (unless you count the incendiary tip of API bullets to be a primer) usually. A CARTRIDGE or a CASE has a primer.

            Again, your own comment only looks upon yourself. Don’t comment on things you don’t know about.

          • supergun

            Lets keep it civil here.

          • mbrd

            seriously? you are the one who implied a swearing insult, and who was incorrect in the first place.

            civil indeed…

          • supergun

            Chill out bro. Don’t take life so serious.

          • mbrd

            it’s not life, it’s the comments section of a blog… hahahahaa!

            so roger that, we’re on the same page.
            thanks.

            either way the “idiocy of the bonfires” is reprehensible…

          • supergun

            This is true.

          • Sad how even many pro-gunners don’t know the difference between bullets and cartridges.

          • Tp

            Its called TV, way back in Jon Wayne’s day they did use the term cartridges in his movies, but I guess that’s not cool enough for the public these days, so its either how many bullets, or shells do you have left. So all the kids growing up the last 5 or 6 decades heard those terms, and took them as gospel I’d guess. Hell come to think of it, even the Lone Ranger shot silver bullets, so they called his cartridges bullets. Damn I’ old

          • Even more laughable is how some Hollywood films with scenes in “bullet time” have actually shown the entire cartridge (brass plus bullet) flying through the air toward the target.
            What a joke.
            These people haven’t got a clue how guns work.

          • Mystick

            …Seriously? You need to read a book. Bullet != cartridge. If you are going to come here and speak, learn the words and what they mean.

          • supergun

            I heard that they let you out again.

          • Mystick

            Looking at your other posts, all you do is attack people and don’t ever add anything coherent to a discussion. /reported

          • supergun

            Sorry that you get your little feeling hurt. Sometimes the truth hurts. We have a bunch of snowflakes out there running around protesting and they don’t even know what they are protesting. And the clowns in the Hamilton Play in New York embarrassed their selves. Then we have idiots that make comments hoping to guide and direct people not to attack others. Dam, we live in a world of pus*****.

          • Tassiebush

            The ammo for the Henry volcanic did! So did the ammo for the dreyse needle gun! Hah take that! But in general you are completely right.

          • durabo

            Cartridge, you mean. The bullet is the thingee that leaves the hole at the pointy end of the bad gun. The blunt end is pointed at you, Supergun.

      • Billy Jack

        They are full of hate.
        They just incinerated my safe space.

        • mbrd

          i feel like this is one of those thousand papercuts that are supposed to kill me.

          • Billy Jack

            They gave my brain and soul a papercut.

          • John

            LoL

    • SpartanGears

      glad I live in America where mass destruction of firearms is looked down upon, save the few rednecks testing how tough their glocks really are

      • Sam

        It’s looked down on by gun enthusiasts, but the father of a buddy of mine worked for the ATF and some of the stories he told me made me sad. Shutting down entire stores for a number of reasons and having to destroy the entire stock of firearms in the store. V sad.

      • mbrd

        don’t all pd buy back guns get destroyed?

        • Raoul O’Shaugnessy

          Nope. Some of the more enlightened states/municipalities have laws that specifically say guns taken in by the police must be sold, rather than destroyed. Sadly, not every place has such good laws.

    • supergun

      Black Guns Matter,,,,,,,too.

      • durabo

        Blacker now…

  • AC97

    Oh, and speaking of HK91s, those are all obsolete, yes, all of them, please send them to me for safe disposal.

    Just how many G3 magazines did they make so that they’re as cheap as they are?

    • The Raven

      How high can you count?

      • Dan

        Is eleventy bazillion a number? Because i can’t count that high yet

        • mbrd

          yeah, it’s 100 times eleven zillion, the number of guns they pointlessly burned out of eleventy bazillion.

    • noob

      hmm how do you spoilertext?

      • AC97

        Remove the quotation marks and it will work: insert spoiled text here .

        • noob

          Thanks! this is awesome!

          • AC97

            You’re welcome, and if you wanted bold, put a “b” there, if you wanted italics, put an “i” there, strikethrough, put a “s” there, in case you didn’t know how to do that.

          • noob

            I wonder if this works
            whoops wrong tag

          • AC97

            Heh, I can’t believe I forgot to mention the underlining method.

  • Edeco

    Excuse me while I go and look in on my AR and give it a hug.

    • Rooftop Voter

      I hugged my entire safe

      • mbrd

        not all at once, right? i mean you gave each rifle equal attention, didn’t you? you did not show them the photographs, i hope. this is no time for a group hug or a “tough love – this could happen to you” type lecture. you’d traumatize them.

        if you are in the states, reassure them with second amendment recitations and madisonian reason.

        reassure your parts bins and cleaning kits too, and keep them all off of this site, unless they are ready to face the harsh reality of gun genocide (or a sort of lame version).

        remind them that they are in the united states, where at least they can fight for the right to shoot (party? i can’t remember the lyrics).

        be with them, but don’t coddle them. reassure them.

        maybe you are not in the united states, in which case this message is bunk.

    • supergun

      We are bless to live in a Nation that has the 2nd Amendment. Kenya is heading toward dictatorship in the future. We must all support and pray for President TRUMP. It is good to be a free American.

  • Lou

    What a stupid government and people who turned theirs in. I think that sums it up.

  • MacK

    Now only the extremists have the weapons.

    • supergun

      YOU R RIGHT. But that is what they want.

  • Jim Slade

    If it’s anything like most American gun buyback schemes run by well-intentioned doofuses, everything inside that outer shell of real guns is a piece of pipe with a handle.

  • Wolfgar

    Failed policy for a failed state. They could have parted them out and sold them to the free world and made some money. Maybe even put some of the people to work in the process. A perfect example of Symbolism over substance for zero result..

  • SP mclaughlin

    That’s not the bonfire memorial service I got up at 2am today for….

  • UCSPanther

    And yet despite their laws, the rural areas of Kenya are ruled by the “law of the machete”…

  • roguetechie

    This is literally a criminal government just the same as good ole rahm and what’s his f*** in Chicongo!

    Governments like this are blatantly approving of rule by the strong and psychopathic as well as every sort of excess such types are known for.

    WAKE UP WORLD

    if your government has guns, your criminals have guns, and you have no access to them… You’re nothing more than a domesticated beast of burden too stupid to realize that just because you haven’t been killed, skinned, and parted out YET somehow means that they aren’t going to…

    • glenn cheney

      UH, Hum…A bribe to key gov’t. officials to leave the populace defenseless is the intent, further, I’ll venture a guess these weapons were confiscated and the b.s. in an essentially lawless country that these were lovingly folks that felt times were so good, that they felt no need to clutter the mud hut with things that go “rust in the night.”
      Nefarious folk be behind every action in this AND our part of the world. Believe it or slurp it.
      I viewed a headline by major media recently that identifies with the above caption, touting the dismal state for poor people off Libya in a “rickety boat.” LMAO. People believe what they read, I looked at the pic first to determine if the article was worth the waste of time to read.
      Boat report: Mil-spec sized rubber job, lol, no brand names please, rickety? You couldn’t sink it with a hundred rounds of Ma Duce through it. Caption, directs attention to one face down with life preserver ON, DOA, likely an invitee, special guest.
      All military aged, likely Imo, from my knowledge, ALL ISIS being driven into the sea by certain “folks” along certain pressure points.
      No women, no children. Pure propaganda, same as the above picture.
      Parts is parts….sigh.
      Media/press manipulating, suppressing news. Whatever you get beyond Wikieleaks, view with jaundiced eye. Google jaundiced, lol. “Breakdown of red blood cells.” Remarkable. lol..Take heart, contractors digging on em’ good

      • glenn cheney

        No, the “boat” was not Toyota.

        • glenn cheney

          We return you now to our regularly scheduled broadcast.

      • roguetechie

        The only reason I replied at all is a friend and I were talking the night before this article posted when I found a picture of a similar public execution of societal evil intent through inanimate object destruction.

        I immediately came uncorked and said how stupid gun control and outright prohibition was, and how the pictures in the article proves it.

        Friend responds… Ok, great, you know I agree now explain WHY.

        In a 15 minute off the cuff essay I covered it from one end to the other with loving attention paid to my special hatred and disgust that academia supports it when both the hard and soft sciences and even liberal arts people should, in fact, know better.

        Gun control / prohibition is the antithesis of logic on every level. And the first priority of those who don’t want their rule to be disputable by those they intend to rule.

        • glenn cheney

          Now then, You should come to know why Aussieland has become CitiBank’s first toe test into the water of going DIGITAL account balances, no cash to be handled by branches, NO CASH ACCEPTED.
          Tuesday o’hundreds greenwhich mean “SAMMICH” time, hit “our” shores and “pubics” early Thursday morning.
          I’m wondering if bam-bam’s latest groopie tour is not a cover for world bankers….yes, the “spirits are being cooked.”
          The metrics of citizen weaponry possession in Australia might be a clue as to WHY Citi, thought that might be a good testing ground.
          Thursday a.m. friendlies told to close out all citi accounts.
          Those who intend to rule can and are right now accelerating their net tightening.
          Take down the grid, uh, having digital finance,WHAT? You misbehaved? Check your balance on your smart phone, hope “the system” didn’t actually zero your account.
          Yes, I’d like to run front end for D.T. on purging academia. As in the budget axe, all soft b.s. defunded, let em’ google self teach on crap that happened a thousand years ago, purge non-American chair sitters, hard sciences only need apply,…..oh, how do we love academia, let us “cut” the ways.
          Key dates, Dec. 3rd, Jan. 3rd….Sweating out the Jan. 20.
          The Eagle is circling.
          I have been out on thin “ICE.” No suits yet, but my NYPD and Patriot FBI await the “chains of bondage” to be cast off.
          We can’t outflank banking cabal. Vigilance.
          My verbiage: ” BREXIT, THE VOTE HEARD ROUND’ THE WORLD” and now playing near you/me/us, “BREXIT 2.0.”
          Cheers!

          • glenn cheney

            Oh, Snap, “G*D SAVE THE QUEEN!” Don’t forget ” Here Here, and Up the Company.”
            I feel better now.

      • supergun

        JUST WHAT ISIS wants.

        • glenn cheney

          Close contact operator deploys in sectors near that rubber boat, 6 in 6 out, makes about 200k.
          The one time I inquired as to how he’s “doing” evoked the reply, based on “remuneration ” quot: “I’m averaging a grand a head.”
          Hence, “we digging on em pretty good” when they can find em’.
          More Cheers.

          • supergun

            Yeah baby.

      • iksnilol

        Ease up a bit on the kool-aid, will ya?

        • glenn cheney

          It pains me to reply, but, exactly WHAT is the kool aide, be more specific, exactly what do you or did you take exception to Sir? On this side of the pond, the reference to any of my statements are false or have a sinister agenda?
          You imply I lie, speak false fact or bend truth. So, lets get it out on the table. You part of the globe is getting ready to fry, and I just don’t want to get stuck paying for it. You folks can twist, so, let’s hear it, exactly what in your mind plays as kool-aide?

          • iksnilol

            The whole refugees are military age ISIS infiltrators just because you haven’t seen old or female refugees (I’ve seen both, tho there isn’t much old people in Syria in general. And the first waves were guys, makes sense to send them out as vanguards when there’s forced conscription going on. But you’d know these things if you actually did follow what’s happening in the world).

            And the whole “Europe will fry” part reeks of Alex Jones paranoia to me.

          • glenn cheney

            I tried to reply/post via Discus, NOT TFB. This post will be deleted, it was not intended to cause further distress to the board thread, discussion or intended purpose of the TFB.
            My apologies to You Sir, and the members contributing in this venue.
            I will continue to lurk, but will limit my comments, as I have nothing of value to contribute here, nor is anyone interested in what news will be forthcoming.
            I bid all a safe and prosperous remaining 2016, and a survivable 2017, where ever you reign from.

          • iksnilol

            Not causing distress, man. Besides, no dangers in disagreeing, that’s how the world advances. So please post I’d say.

            You too, my good man.

          • glenn cheney

            I hold you and your comments in high regard Sir. Thank you for the opportunity to offer my perspective, and again, I pray I am wrong.

          • iksnilol

            Eh, what’s the worst that can happen? I mean, as a species we’ve gone through worse. We survive, we rebuild, we thrive… that’s…. that’s kinda what life does in general, not only humans. So mellow out, make a cup of tea and try to be the person Mr. Rogers knew you can be.

          • glenn cheney

            Mr. Rodgers and I never shared the same “hood” but I’d still protect him.
            Just hitting my phone, several alerts, 2 to 15 min. ago, diff sources, Merkel to run for 4th term. Chit, I hate letting stuff out early, but, heard it here first, she’ll be roundly defeated and fade into irrelevance, until the pitch fork crews come calling.
            No assessment for prosecution at this time.

    • supergun

      EXCELLENT post.

  • TDog

    I think some folks have missed the point here – these weren’t likely just turn-ins and buy-backs. A lot of these were probably confiscated from criminals and other sorts of extremists.

    It’s a shame, though. Given the neighborhood, if I were any sort of official in the Kenyan government, I would encourage civilian ownership of firearms and make firearms training mandatory. Too many horrible things happen in Africa and it’s high time the innocent civilians of the continent were given a chance to defend themselves.

    • Billy Jack

      They don’t want civilians with firearms. It would make busting those heads during the anti government protests awkward.

      • glenn cheney

        Those busting heads are not locals.

        • Billy Jack

          I thought they deployed the army for some of the riots or were those political activist groups? I remember fires and a few deaths.

      • TDog

        Yeah… there’s that.

        But in all seriousness, I’d rather have a hundred armed civilians angry at me than a hundred unarmed ones. The unarmed ones have no recourse but to tear me to pieces. Being shot, at least, would be relatively quick.

        • Billy Jack

          Well someone’s an optimist. They actually tore Mussolini and that Czechoslovakia dictator apart so it’s a documented thing.
          I know in Kenya there has been unrest in the past couple of years so I doubt the president feels the same. There’s also the terror attacks that have happened. You may remember that massive mall assault. Maybe that plays a role in it. I’ve noticed outside of the US and a few Nordic exceptions most countries want totally defenseless populations. Bug/Feature.

          • TDog

            I don’t think Finland is technically a Nordic nation. Different culture, language, etc. despite their close proximity to Sweden, Norway, and Denmark.

          • Billy Jack

            Wow never knew that. Apologies if I offended anyone. Do they consider themselves a different group from all their neighbors or maybe more like Russians?

          • TDog

            They’re definitely not Slavic, but beyond that I couldn’t tell ya.

  • iksnilol

    So they burnt 5k out of presumed 500k?

    Good luck, yall.

    • supergun

      And on top of that,,,,,,they could have sold these guns to help with those that need help. What lunacy these anti-gun people have.

      • CA

        That is what Leftist solutions look like. Lots of flash, but no results.

        • Tassiebush

          It isn’t the left so much as authoritarian. Every major gun ban that I can recall here in Australia was by our conservative party. Not saying that the left is pro gun but US political paradigms aren’t necessarily matched elsewhere.

          • supergun

            What ever name you call them,,,,they are the idiots that roam amongst us.

          • Tassiebush

            Definitely idiots in this case. I can’t think of how a government that loves it’s citizens that borders a country like Somalia could think leaving them vulnerable is Okay!

          • supergun

            They don’t love the citizens.

          • Tassiebush

            Well obviously not. Just imagine being that vulnerable!

          • Wow!

            Left wing and authoritarian are synonymous no matter how you look at it. You need a dictatorship in order to enact left wing agenda. (Welfare, anti-“hate” speech control, gun control, environmentalism)

          • iksnilol

            Oh wow, environmentalism and welfare ? so.. soo horrible. Poor me living in a Northern dictatorship with both.

            But yeah, how was it the left wing when the conservatives/right wing enacted gun bans in Australia?

          • Wow!

            Oh, I’m speaking from the perspective of the US. Most other countries right wing parties are left wing to us.

          • iksnilol

            And then what are our left wing parties to you?

          • Wow!

            Still left wing. Whatever is right is right, and whatever is left is left.

          • iksnilol

            So, if I understand correctly: Rest of the world’s right parties are lefties to you, and their lefties are also lefties?

            You’re a special breed of stupid, aren’t you?

          • Wow!

            Uh no. That was uncalled for. I just am acknowledging the reputation in difference between US conservatism and pretty much every other country. I guess this conversation finished.

          • iksnilol

            Or you don’t want to/cant’t admit that your precious right wing conservatism isn’t perfect.

          • At this point the US has two major parties. One is left of center and the other is far left of center. The only party that is truly right of center is the Libertarians and it could be said that some of them border on anarchists.

          • Tassiebush

            I definitely think the left has an authoritarian streak that can’t be ignored but a lot of those topics aren’t necessarily left staples depending on time and place except for welfare.
            Look at the environmental rules in China Vs the USA and there’d be heaps more regulation and enforcement in the USA.
            Here in Australia our left and our right are both pretty ready to sell out personal freedom and protections hence my point about the American paradigms of left and right basically being American rather than universal. The other thing is each of those points could be and are often imposed by genuinely democratic societies.
            I don’t actually think the environment is a left or right issue philosophically. It’s more just that the left monopolised it and the right avoids it as a point of difference.
            Left and Right really boils down to property rights more than liberty although of course property is part of the equation with liberty.
            Sorry I feel like I owe you a better put together reply because it’s a really good topic. I’m just a bit tired and sunburnt.

          • Edeco

            A lot of people don’t get this. Ever see Escape From LA? It’s popcorny, but not as bad as it looks, really pretty elegant little piece if you tune in to the level of abstraction and the message, neither of which 90’s audiences were ready for. The hero, Snake is caught between strong-men of the left and right who are fighting for a doom-weapon. The phrase “the more things change the more they stay the same” keeps coming up. It’s sad, cute and sick. My parents didn’t bother to censor my media, so it was a major early philosophical influence for me.

          • Tassiebush

            I hadn’t been aware of that film but I might have to check it out. I think it’s probably pretty accurate showing the extremists on both sides. I often think the whole left Vs right paradigm is a poor match for reality.

          • Edeco

            Oh yeah, left-vs-right exists because it’s a virulent meme, not because it’s a natural, meaningful distinction. In what I’d call meaningful terms they’re both flavors of collectivism, which people want because it’s gratifying to have flavors. In a given time and place one can more or less tell who’s who, and because people sort themselves out that way there are consequences, but philosophically it means as much to me as different flavors of aerosol cheese.

          • I have it on DVD. Some of the special effects were a little hokey by modern standards, but you’re right about the message. Snake took the high road and effectively destroyed both.

        • supergun

          Now they will be begging for guns from the United States to help defend against others.

  • Franivelius

    This is heretical

  • giannis kalyvas

    HK-91s ???? lol , this isnt in USA man , in the rest of the world that rifle is called HK G-3 , its a damn sacrilege to call a great battle rifle with the name of an american copy for weekend “warriors”

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      You are correct. My apologies.

  • DanGoodShot

    Good job kenya! Make more easy targets for shish kabob

  • Well, that’s certainly a quick way to destroy a lot of wood and plastic furniture and maybe ruin the finish on a lot of guns, but it doesn’t seem terribly practical.

  • ciscokid3750

    These 3rd World Countries are always crying how poor they are and then instead of selling these guns or using them for police work they destroy perhaps well over 1 million dollars of guns. They could have probably exported them into the U.S. or even Canada and made a lot of money as it would have been pure profit since they were confiscated. I guess that is beyond their mentality.

    • Jacob Peters

      Forget Canada. Anti=Gunners rule in Canada.

      • Twilight sparkle

        There’s a lot of cool guns available in Canada that aren’t available here

        • L Cavendish

          most could be available here…if somebody imported them

          • Twilight sparkle

            Actually the main thing keeping us from getting them is the ATFs operation dragon fire

  • 3==>~Sharia

    Should have given them to the innocent people who are being slaughtered so they could create local militias for a distributed defense. Alas, governments have historically always preferred death to self defense.

  • Deplorable in Kommieforniastan

    Ok, let me get this straight, they burnt the wood but the firearm is now heat treated. Yeah, makes perfect sense. New furniture, some cleaning and you’re off and shooting. If you want to destroy them, bend the barrels, smash the receivers. ID10T’s

    • Peter (BE)

      It might take a little longer to go off and shooting. Even if you believe a fire will leave your gun heat treated (which it most certainly will not), you would still have to replace every spring in the gun and other itsy bitsies like fire selectors, charging handles, magazine buttons, followers etc… that often are synthetic and don’t take fire too well. But hey, good luck.

      • Deplorable in Kommieforniastan

        You are assuming they were Tupperware firearms. I’ve got AR’s and the only plastic on them is the furniture, everything else is metal. The springs may or may not lose their tension but, you can make springs or get them. Given what the 3rd world uses when they make firearms, I’m pretty sure it’s not a big deal.

        • iksnilol

          No, I’m pretty sure that even metal firearms get screwed over by a fire.

          At best, your heat treating will be messed up and will result in a more brittle gun (thta will most likely explode when fired).

          • Kommieforniastan Deplorable

            The only way you get brittle is to quench in water immediately. At worse this would anneal the metal. I use to do this kind of stuff for a living way back when.

          • iksnilol

            Still, I doubt it’d be fireable. Sure, if it was only cosmetic a quick cleanup should do it.

            But if it was soaked in gasoline and set on fire, I’d still argue it would be unfireable.

          • mbrd

            yeah, quenching (doesn’t have to be water) would be the fastest route to brittleness (is that a word?)… and the heat should have an annealing effect, but i still think there’s way too much other stuff going on here to assume any of these firearms could work again (as is).

            the temperature of the fire is dictated by more than just the accelerant and the fuel, and the time spent in the fire may be more important than the maximum temperature at any given point.

            the only way i’d try to shoot one of these guns would be with the thing gaff taped to a tree, and me at one end of a really long string tied to the trigger at the other end.

            think demo ranch has any contacts in kenya?

        • Peter (BE)

          Even the warpage as result of uneven heating would probably hamper you even cycling the bolt. Speaking of AR’s, aluminium melting temperature 660°C, jet fuel fire around 980°C if we may believe wiki. That doesn’t look too good does it?

  • Will

    Proof positive that some will blame the inanimate object not the person operating it. Brilliant!!!

  • kevin77355

    You forgot to mention that some of the guns were still loaded and spectators were shot! Again, another reason why they are still a 3rd World Country and no astronauts.

  • Joe

    So a jet fuel fire can be hot enough to melt steel and collapse two skyscrapers, but gasoline on aluminum and steel cannot structurally destroy these firearms? Have any of you seen what a firearm looks like after a housefire?

    • Peter (BE)

      Yep, total loss….

    • Twilight sparkle

      Okay I’ll bite the bait… You don’t actually have to melt steel to collapse a skyscraper, just heat it enough to mess up its load bearing capacity

      And I can guarantee pretty much none of those firearms are salvageable, the steel will be way too warped and the heat treat is fubar

  • Robert Byrns

    The Kenyan in the White house probably provided guidance to the government officials

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sasquatch

    Pure stupidity.

  • supergun

    This is exactly what the democratic party wants to do in America. If soros or bloomberg, and 99% of the democrats had their way, we would be doing this now. Want proof? Look at the MILLIONS of dollars that is being given to the democrats by these men.

  • glenn cheney

    I’m not as platform conscious as most on this forum, but in another life, I may have peered upon pics, so, par-done, but, I see lots more good stuff than single barreled shotguns and lowball crap.

  • Mystick

    “No ‘human’ would stack guns like that…”:)

  • CA

    That is so f___g retarded. 500,000 guns and you burn 5000, so what does that accomplish? A statement that will be dead the next day? Kenya will interview you harshly if you want a firearm, but no such interviews happen for those who illegally have them. Maybe you could arm your population to prevent extremism? Nope, because that will threaten the government and give people a real voice and choice, so It’s just the same bollocks happening over-and-over: disarm the population to keep the chaos and fear going so that they are easy to control.

    • mbrd

      well, the strategy here is like decimation, where you kill one out of every ten – except this is like… centimation? it sends a message to the other rifles that they should never autonomously load themselves and shoot anyone. those rifles in turn tell the other-other rifles to also not load themselves and shoot anyone, especially other-other-other rifles.

      or something like that – i think.

      if we outlaw gigantic rifle bonfires, then only outlaws will have gigantic rifles bonfires. maybe that’s it…

  • Wow!

    You know, all it does is tell people that there is now a 5000+ opportunity to sell your firearms in Kenya.

    Unlike Drugs, Guns counter each other. With drugs, the more people are exposed to them, the more they pursue them thereafter due to addiction. The more you restrict guns, the more people are going to look for them, even if they never had them, because the crime of society will force them to search for personal protection.

  • Jacob Peters

    An enterprising people will sell these weapons rather than destroy them. This sort of mentality is the reason for the poverty in Kenya and the rest of the 3rd World.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    I wonder why a poorer country like Kenya doesn’t sell them to an exporter. Looked like there we a lot of old bolt guns and other importable weapons plus a lot of parts kits potential.

  • Amplified Heat

    As broke & corrupt as that nation is, I highly doubt any of those guns are functional or valuable, those having been picked off by every official involved along the way. I did see what appeared to be an M2HB in one of the photos posted online; kinda doubt these diesel fires of Hades did much at all to it.

  • durabo

    Kenya wants to provide a safe environment for their native son’s return, Mullah Hussein and his “spouse,” Chewbacca, and “her” daughters, Sharia and Burqa.

  • Gabriel Baker

    I saw a couple nice double rifles and a garand and several other military bolt action classics that can never be replaced in these photos

  • J.E.Walker

    I thought that was Massachusetts for a minute…

  • John Micheal Stacey

    There’s at least one Martini what a shame

  • Ben Pottinger

    For a second I thought the article was “Kenya burns”. This article is way worse. Africa is basically the “lost continent” or borderline hell on earth. Even the previously enlightened areas like South Africa are going downhill fast now. with SA’s aggressive anti-white campaign at the moment, which of course the world media is ignoring. All they are doing is driving money out of the country. Haiti did that, look how it’s working out for them! 🙁

    You’d think they would want civilians to have guns to stop the Islamic attacks from murdering students, but nope. Individual life has very little meaning there. Only those in charge or the collective group have value.

  • John

    So the government is getting rid of guns in citizens hands while raiders from the north are attacking them!?!?
    🙁

  • duckman

    They are living Americas most notorious Kenyans dream. ………Thanks Obama

  • Oingo Boingo

    The Kenyan ruling shaved monkeys in suits really screwed the goat on this little display…
    that I’m sure Prince Obongo would like to replicate here in ZOG mostly occupied territory.
    The decent hardware, SKS/HK/AK/Mauser/custom, could have been sold to a USA importer and the Chimps could have put the cash in their costume pockets.
    EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD the H. Erectus variants have significant numbers (+0.25%) and ANY political power is a systemically dysfunctional, smoke scented, trash heap.

  • carlcasino

    Now you know why gun sales are soaring?

  • carlcasino

    Two of the most important words in the Progressive lexicon. gun CONTROL AND PAPERWORK

  • Richard Lutz

    Brings to mind witch burnings, but with evil guns being burned rather than evil witches. Such acts reveal the barbaric nature of the individuals who commit them.

    “Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.” – Heinrich Heine

  • That may have been true in the mid 1500’s but not so much today.

    • Not really.
      The era doesn’t matter.
      The only thing that matters is attitude and numbers.

    • Wow!

      That kind of apathetic view is the most dangerous threat to freedom. Rememeber, the politicans do not secure our freedom, it is us. We complain frequently about silly gun laws, but the truth of the matter is that they only exist because we follow them. Look at the marijuana crowd. No matter how you slice it, they are breaking the law since federal law trumps state law and there is no right to narcotics like there is to firearms. And yet, due to years of blatent violation and the misguided sympathies of some republicans and most libertarians who turn a blind eye, they are able to make their crime legalized and spread further.

      Of course, I am not suggesting that everyone should break whatever law they don’t like. That is anarchy, and I am very much a law and order kind of guy. However, we seem to forget that the right to bear arms without infringement IS the law, and it is of the supreme one that trumps all other laws of this land. Violation of a law that infringes a higher law is in fact, the adherance to the law. The question we must ask (that the baby boom and the new millenial generation seemed to stop asking) is not how do we comply, but how do we not get stopped by the criminals in power?

      If authority was absolute, corruption would not exist, elections would be linear, crime would be a myth. However, humans are the backbone of all law and order and it is up to everyone down to the individual to enforce the law by all means possible. Vigilantism is as much a reality and option as crime itself. In a free country you are free to commit crime… you just accept the consequences of your actions which included the appropiate punishment. When the government starts contradicting itself and begins applying law to only selective groups, it is when the individual should resist in whatever way he is capable of. (You have to ask yourself, why do liberals support marijuana but hate guns? Clear minded and armed people are more dangerous to tyranny than those who are stoned and apathetic.)

      Some people dream of a grand revolution or civil war where all patriots rise up simultainously. That is simply little more than a pipe dream. The true resistance lies in the single individual who acts on his own will with ownership to the full consequences of his actions. Freedom isn’t won by cowards in a collective mass riot, that is called a regime change. It is won by individual defiance that sets the example that others use to guide their own personal war against tyranny. It is something that allows an immediate rebuttal to tyranny, and is ultimately the only means by which to truly oppose crime.

      • Coralyn Herenschrict

        That is anarchy, and I am very much a law and order kind of guy.
        However, we seem to forget that the right to bear arms without
        infringement IS the law

        Anarchy means without rulers. Without some other man being able to grant or deny you his permission for you to own a gun. Without you having to worry about what he does or doesn’t decide to write down on a fancy piece of paper. Without you being morally obligated to do what he commands you, just because he declares he wields authority over you.

        You bear a natural right to own a gun. Regardless of what any piece of paper says. Regardless of what any other man says.

        Yes, order forms the basis of society, civilization, and prosperity. But subjugating yourself as a slave to some master is not needed to have order. You are capable of orderly relations with other men all by yourself.

        Each man’s gun enables that. Each man’s gun comprises part of a network of checks and balances of force among peers with equal rights. Each man’s gun empowers defense and securing of property rights. Thus backed-up, mutually negotiated and voluntarily agreed upon rules of behavior among men become possible. And order ensues. This is what rule of law looks like under anarchy. No leviathan overlord required.

        • Wow!

          In theory, people would be able to function without government or law, but reality has not shown that to work. Like communism, anarchy ignores the fundamental rule that with human wills there are no rules. Not everyone will cooperate with the plan on paper, and a contingency is always needed. A true anarchist or communistic society has never become a superpower, and generally dissolves into tyranny once the first pressure (usually famine) is pressed on the civilization. Travel overseas. It doesn’t matter how strong or how many friends you have in anarchy, there is always a bigger fish and it is only a matter of time until the big dog gets cut down. The only natural right are those you can secure with your own power, and the truth we have to face is that most of us are very much powerless against most people in this world. A society equalizes the playing field where we are all united, equal, and free under one flag.

          The US Constitution is based on those contingencies. There is a careful balance of power. There is no gaurentee that tyranny will not erupt, but there is a gaurentee that it will not happen without the people’s apathy allowing it to happen.

          It’s not that we don’t need a government or law, its that we need to adhere to the law, and that people must have an active role in keeping government subject to the same law.

          • Coralyn Herenschrict

            …reality has not shown that to work…

            Disagree. What leviathan overlord dictates rules of people’s romantic lives? None, yet people date, fall in love, and marry all according to their own values and rules of conduct, using private service providers as necessary, managing reputations, parting ways when differing, etc.

            At the recent Chicago Cubs victory celebration where millions of people took to the streets, the Chicago PD was hopelessly outnumbered. They were practically helpless to meaningfully police anything. There were zero incidents. Everyone in that crowd of millions saw it to be in their mutual best interest to peacefully cooperate in every imaginable way. As is generally the case.

            Before government took them over, roads were private, health care was private, security was private, banking and money were private, etc. Anarchy has worked in every space it has been allowed to work.

            Today, in spaces were people want to practice freedom, government, including the constitutional republic you extol, has to forbid and block it by force. It imprisons those who attempt to live on private property apart and independently from its authoritarian rule. This wouldn’t be necessary if freedom were actually ineffective. If freedom from government were ineffective, no one would want to be free of government. All would gladly clamor to be ruled by politicans.

            Not everyone will cooperate with the plan on paper, and a contingency is always needed.

            .

            That’s what each man’s gun is for. Only under anarchy, that force is distributed across the people who actually have the right to use it, the right of self-defense. The force remains in hands of those who bear full moral and practical responsibility for its use. Under government the superior means of force is stripped from the people and concentrated in the hands of just a few men, who bear no moral nor practical responsibility for its use.

            …generally dissolves into tyranny once the first pressure (usually famine) is pressed on the civilization.

            This interpretation of history implies tyranny can feed people while freedom can’t. I disagree. Productivity never increases at government gunpoint. Historical events are largely shifts between one flavor of state rule versus a different flavor of state rule, shifting the benefits of government force from one group of people to another group of people. Historically, no broadly level playing field where all men are equal in rights has been attempted. People have always been consumbed by the faith-based myth of authority including its endless quest of chasing the mythical “good king” who by decree will make them prosper and keep them safe, rather than relying on themselves for growth and defense.

            most of us are very much powerless against most people in this world…There are others who are as or more armed than us, and better with that gun than we are

            A gun is the great equalizer. No number of tough bad guys will charge into the barrel of a Colt .45 held by a lone frail grandma. More to your point, however, privately organized cooperative self-defense agreements among large groups of people would promptly arise under anarchy exactly in response to the risk of too small a number of people being vulnerable to a one-off private concentration of malign force. Becaue that need is obvious to everyone. Don’t need government tyranny to get people to cooperate and join forces. If cooperation is beneficial, those benefits incentivize people to cooperate of their own free will.

            Its never necessary, beneficial, or moral to force peaceful people to do something against their will “for their own good.” Those who assert it is, do not respect individual rights.

          • Fred Bastiat

            All very well said, I like the summation. I’d so much rather be a part of a defense cooperative, hire my own security, and be a part of voluntary mediation agreements or other dispute resolution systems. People think they can outsource their security, but government police through history and today have shown that they are seldom serving and protecting the ruled, but more often imposing upon the ruled.

            I have a daughter who is blessed with beauty and often a target of scum, every place she has lived single has seen an attempted break-in. Thankfully, my local government has not violated her right to self to the extreme degree as an more blue team states – she has and takes advantage of conceal carry. On the last attempted break in she was home and awake, called the police (who came 15 minutes later), but she was safe because she sat waiting with a gun pointed at the window that was being pried.

            The solution has been that she moved to a new young singles type high rise. First, the doors are steel, second there is no ground floor window, she has a ‘real’ dog, and, as important, she made friends with all her neighbors who provide a good community look out. My point being, a faceless police who respond after you are a victm is no replacement for self ownership of one’s security and the trust and cooperation of a real community looking out for you.

            At times I feel a personal pull to red team, though the ideology is dangerous. Not because I agree with their statism, but on a personal level I would never allow my daughter to move to a blue state that would deny her right to defend herself. Chicago, Detriot, these are places I view as anti-daughter, anti-safety.

          • Coralyn Herenschrict

            she was safe because she sat waiting with a gun pointed at the window that was being pried.

            Nothing quite says safety like a warm gun in a confident hand, calmly waiting. Her fate secure. The aggressor’s fate up to him. A credit to years of development of good values, judgement, and skill.

            I imagine the contrast with a helpless blue state liberal female, pulling hair, gnashing teeth, crying out for a state authority to magically appear, her fate hanging in the balance.

          • Fred Bastiat

            And the shame begins with parents who teach, or refuse to challenge, their childrens faith in a system that won’t protect them.

          • Wow!

            Like I said, this is all good on paper, but the reality is that an Anarchic society isn’t a major player in the world for a reason.

            “Before government took them over, roads were private, health care was private, security was private, banking and money were private, charity was private, etc.”
            All the things you listed were created under some government. Society only progresses with a government because it provides rule of law which creates the conistency that gives stablity for people to invest into innovating and not worrying about their soverignty. Definitely there is a limitation to government, and the line of that limitation is drawn well in the US Constituion. Again, the problem isn’t government, it is stopping the corruption of it and ensuring rule of law is adhered to. It isn’t tyranny when the law is applied in both directions.

            You say that the republic does not represent you and is limiting your freedom unnecessarily, but the reality is that most people do not agree with your perception, which is why you are blocked by force. If everyone thought anarchy was the solution, we would have anarchy. However most of us realize anarchy is not the solution which is why guys like me would stop guys like you IF such a conflict between civilizations were to occur. That is what it means to live in a republic. Ironically what you wish for sounds a lot like tyranny, where you want to do what you want, regardless of the laws, or the infringment on another’s freedom, which represents the collective opinions of the people.

            A coopertive security union as you outline is the very foundation of a government, but weaker because reprenstation is directly limited to whoever is powerful. You underestimate the freedom of the individual will. Like communism, sooner or later you will have people who don’t want to get along and play according to the agreement and one group gets eaten by another group because there is isn’t a concept that draws loyalty, or a homogenous set of ethics that guides and keeps the group together. What keeps one guy from betraying the pact to join a more profitable pack? It’s just a constant flow of highest bidders. All the problems of a corrupt government, none of the benefits of a soverign nation.

            In anarchy your posessions no longer holds any relevence. Your rights are nonexistant. All I have to do is have the bigger, better trained men and everything you have is now mine… until someone takes it away from me. Again, it’s that big fish principle. Just because you have a gun doesn’t make you strong, because other people also have that gun, and likely can use it better. Sure in good times we are all friends… but what happens when everyone is starving and X has food? What is to stop X from being ganged up because it is easier to attack X than to produce more food? Anarchy lacks a predictable contingency, something that law and order creates.

            I assume you have not been overseas in 3rd world countries that have such heavily contested factions that they have anarchy. Believe me, no man can guarentee surival in those situations. You won’t realize how unforgiving the world is unless you experience it, and often then it is too late. We have to come to grips that we are not as strong individually as we think to be able to secure our own soverignty.

            Of course, the big ultimatum is that you can prove me wrong. Create a country of your own run by anarchism, and if it works, I’ll be sure to join and help out. However, we both know that won’t happen.

  • Daniel W

    Now you are unarmed and unable to defend yourselves>>>I guess ou will have another president for life.

  • Rocketman

    I don’t suppose that it occurred to any of these Kenyan “geniuses” to maybe keep the military ones that were in good condition to pass out to the Kenyan population if the Muslim terrorists were ever in danger of toppling their government. What a waste, not just the guns but also the foolishness of the leaders of that country.