Pedersoli Howdah 45/410 Double Barrel Pistol

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Italian firearms manufacturer Davide Pedersoli has launched their new version of Howdah pistol chambered in .45 LC / .410 bore. The gun was initially introduced in SHOT Show 2016.

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Howdah 45/410 is a reproduction of Ithaca Auto & Burglar, which was manufactured in the 1920s. The difference from Ithaca is that instead of being chambered in 20 gauge or 28 gauge, Howdah has rifled barrels and is chambered in .45 Long Colt and .410 bore (3″ shells). The caliber choice and rifled barrels legally qualify it as a handgun in the USA and make it much easier to obtain.

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The Howdah 45/410 is basically a double barrel, break open, hammerless pistol. In the pictures, it is the preproduction model and the final version will feature dual triggers. The barrels are rifled with six groove right-hand rifling and have 1:48 twist rate. Barrels’ length is 10.25″. The front sight is ramp mounted and the rear leaf sight is folding.

 

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The gun is imported to USA by Italian Firearms Group. They’ve even launched a separate website dedicated to Howdah 45/410. Reportedly, it will be available in US market by the end of the current month (November 2016). First shipments have already arrived into the USA, and are ready to hit the shelves. MSRP is not stated yet.

Here is a video showing the gun:

I don’t see any really practical role for this firearm. Almost any use I can imagine for it can be accomplished much better with a number of other guns. Nonetheless, it is a beautiful gun !

Contacts

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Phone: 1-800-450-1852

E-mail: info@italianfirearmsgroup.com



Hrachya H

I was born and currently live in Armenia, where I work in a family business of leather goods manufacturing. Being a retired sergeant of my country’s armed forces and a lifelong firearms enthusiast, I always enjoy studying firearms design, technology and history. Also my knowledge of Russian allows me to translate and make Russian/Soviet/Combloc small arms related information available for the English speaking audience.
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  • JustAHologram

    Anyone else have an urge to get to an airboat?

    • PK

      We might be entering a zone that may in fact be dangerous. If we did, I’m not sure what I would even call it.

      • iksnilol

        An hazardous area if you will?

      • JustAHologram

        I think zone of danger is a good term, yes

        • Uniform223

          DANGER ZONE

          • RocketScientist

            ThatsTheJoke.jpg

      • JoshCalle

        LANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    • borekfk

      It’ll be just like Burt Reynolds in Gator!

      • mazkact

        That would be Jerry Reed as Bama McCall 🙂

  • Bill

    Kind of neat, though I’d prefer a 20 gauge, if legal.

    • Edeco

      I’ve been wondering about 28 gauge, through a 0.500″ rifled barrel.

      • Anonymoose

        Not if you don’t want to lose your fingers and your face.

        • Edeco

          You’re sure? I mean, low pressure to start, worst case we’re squeezing a slug down something like 0.065…

    • gunsandrockets

      Well, they do already make a muzzleloader that big.

  • Edeco

    Yay, a pirate gun! Kidding, seriously, GJ with the double triggers. I bet anyone who buys is going to want to hit both nigh at once.

    • Anonymoose

      Pedersoli already sells legit “pirate guns.”

      • Edeco

        Indeed, I’ve been craving a howdah or horse pistol. No sense going under 50 since can get that with a cartridge gun.

        • John

          If you want a horse pistol, I suggest a Colt Walker. They’ll even ship to your door.

          • JustAHologram

            And it was the most powerful production handgun for almost 100 years

          • Edeco

            Well, I want an open top, really don’t consider it a flawed design as many do. And the ambiance of Blood Meridian and Lonesome Dove would be fun. But a BP revolver would be so messy, and not get me over 50 cal… I looked, cartridge convertors are pretty costly.

  • PK

    That’s going to sell crazy well if it’s $1,000 or under, street.

    • Harry’s Holsters

      They need to come out with a holster like mad max or Mississippi from El Dorado wore. That’d really help with marketing.

      • PK

        Anyone who doesn’t work with leather on their own would be in the market for it, surely. Perhaps you should buy an example of this pistol and beat your competition to the punch?

        • Harry’s Holsters

          All I do is kydex. Any leather product I own I buy from others. Kydex just wouldn’t be right with this gun.

      • JustAHologram

        If only there were a holster maker around here

        • Harry’s Holsters

          Unfortunately I’m not a leather holster maker and I think a gun like this deserves a beautiful leather holster.

      • Paul White

        That’d make a badass Halloween costume, but where would I find that sorta hat?

        • Harry’s Holsters

          I completely forgot about the hat! You gotta have the hat to make the costume work.

  • M

    Is it able to handle/fire .460 s&w? BC if you’re gonna have that big a pistol might as well go big with ammo

    • Anonymoose

      No thanks, I like my hands too much.

      • jamezb

        I just don’t understand your reasoning sometimes, Moose.

        • iksnilol

          Should call him Chicken instead, amirite?

    • JustAHologram

      Why not .500 S&W while we’re at it

      • Nashvone

        Make it a 28/500?

        • JustAHologram

          .17/.50 BMG?

          • Nashvone

            While that would be an interesting handful, I was going for a shotgun/rifle combination.

          • JustAHologram

            That does seem more reasonable than necking down a .500 to .28

      • Edeco

        Problem with just pistol/rifle cartridges might be no shotshells to cover up the problem of getting both bbls near the same point of aim…

        • JustAHologram

          I don’t see this getting used seriously past a few feet

          • Edeco

            Yeah, I mean, it would be a range toy for me in any case. I don’t, erm, hunt javelini or whatever one would do with a double barreled magnum pistol. But the likely divergence in POI with single projectiles would probably be frustrating. I want to make noise and hit paper, not just make noise.

    • Avid Fan

      Good idea. We’ve all seen the .45/.410 stuff. Why not .460/.410? With some heavy, WFN ammo would be good for, well nothing really but it’d be a lot of fun.

      • Edeco

        I wish they’d rate it for 454 as well… wouldn’t seriously expect people to hunt with it, but more range toy potential.

        • M

          That was the idea, because A break open shotgun is not limited like a revolver in case length, you might as well make it able to fire the hottest, longest cased ammo in the caliber. Rate it for .460 and it can fire .454, .45, and .410

    • Peatro Giorgio

      No the 460 S&W is based upon the 500 S&W. Way to much steel need be removed in order to chamber either 460 or 500 S&W . Talk about a wrist snapper hand held grenade. Either Chambering would do it. 60,000 psi for either 500 or 460 S&W. 45 Colt 14,000 psi 410 shot shell 13,000 Psi.

  • Xtorin O’hern

    can they please make this with 16 inch barrels and a stock? that would be amazing

    • Anonymoose

      It would have to be 18″ barrels.

      • iowaclass

        Not if the barrels are rifled.

      • Xtorin O’hern

        even though its rifled and “chambered” for .45 colt?

        • Anonymoose

          If it has a stock and can take .410s, it has to.

          • iksnilol

            So .460 S&W rifles need to have smooth bores since they can take .410?

          • Porty1119

            That’s not how this works.

    • iksnilol

      I think Baikal already makes something like that. I remember seeing one in a gunshop here in Norway not too long ago. Double rifle in .45/70

      • Xtorin O’hern

        that would be very nice if we could get those here in the states, i have never seen one that was less than 1,500

        • iksnilol

          Well, here in Norway they’re the equivalent of about 1000 dollars IIRC.

          Double rifles are never cheap. 1500 USD for one is pretty cheap compared to the competition + it uses a relatively cheap cartridge such as 45/70 (I think they also make a 30-06 version).

          I kinda am torn between a .45/70 double rifle or lever action. Assuming I can’t get both: the lever action provides Americana and Fallout NV nostalgia (would polish up the receiver to recreate the Medicine Stick). But a double rifle, with those big cartridges, it just screams classy yet ready to kick behinds.

          • Tassiebush

            The biggest downside of a double is the barrel regulation. The Baikal ones from memory follow the tikka approach where the owner can adjust the barrels to regulate them rather than the barrels coming set up and soldered into place for a set load. That’s both good and a pain. I recall a review of a Baikal side by side where the reviewer said 10″ groups were the best he could get out of it at 100y. He just couldn’t get it any better. I suspect that there would be better results for some but it’s an off-putting example. I think the factory regulated models would be better but then it’s about having the right load.

          • iksnilol

            I think it’s good, more flexible. You can tailor it to your needs.

          • Tassiebush

            As long as the mechanism allows you to regulate it properly and that review could have been a bad example. I wonder if the ones tikka did might be a bit more precise? I love the idea theoretically. Even if it wouldn’t converge well then I guess you could also regulate it as best you can then pick the barrel which groups best and sight in off that one and use it for longer shots mindful that it would always be used as the primary barrel and closer in on fast shots the second would be okay. Mind you that starts to make me think a combination gun with slug and rifle load might provide the same result as long as it’s one of the double trigger ones or single trigger ones that does both barrels. I was disappointed recently to see an old tikka. 222 12g that used a single selective hammer th

  • Austin

    Needs to be rechambered in .45-70.

    • Richard

      Say goodbye to any wrist bones.

      • Michel_T

        It’s a 45LC…
        Anything in Nitro-Express might be a handful…

    • JustAHologram

      Why not .45-110

      • Anonymoose

        Why not 50-140?

        • JustAHologram

          12.7×107?

          • Anonymoose

            40x364mmR?

          • JustAHologram

            216x960mm

          • DaveP.

            16″ Mark 7 firing Mark 23 shells.

          • JustAHologram

            63cm black powder?

        • Harry’s Holsters

          22LR?

          • VanDiemensLand

            120mm Howitzer 😉

    • John

      That’s weak sauce. It should be .338 Lapua.

      • Anonymoose

        .510 Whisper!

        • Uniform223

          That might be too much… dial it down to .450 Merlin

    • Peatro Giorgio

      45-70 , 35,000 40,000 psi working pressure. 45 colt a mere 15,000 psi 410 shot shell only 13,000 psi . 45-70 would blow the Howdah pistol up like a pipe bomb.

      • mrpoohead

        That’s it buttercup you stick to shooters and away from anything else – you know nothing.

        Good news, funny news – Brexit, UK government was forecasting 11 billion pound surplus by 2020, now forecasting 21 billion deficit instead because of expense of leaving. Priceless – pound will fall to $0.50. See, you know nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Howdah: shoots tigers off your elephant
    Auto & Burglar: shoots thieves off your car
    Howdah/Auto & Burglar: shoots thieves off their tigers on your elephant?

    • Hoplopfheil

      Now I’m imagining African Elephant Mounties.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    Please make this a 20ga AOW

    • JustAHologram

      They make a black powder 20ga version

      • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

        Breech Loading with ejection is more what I had in mind, and I havent gotten into black powder yet.

        • JustAHologram

          It’s a bit more involved of a reload process

      • jamezb

        oh hell it’s on…

    • Robert Thorne

      Looking through the ATF’s definitions, a rifled 20ga Howdah is a pistol and doesn’t need a tax stamp. It must always have a rifled barrel and cannot be equipped with a stock. If anyone can point me out where in the NFA act this is not accurate; let me know.

      • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

        You are correct, but Im specifically wanting a smooth bore 20ga SXS pistol (the word “pistol” in this case only describing the weapons size and style; not its legal definition) which, assuming it has never had a shoulder stock attached to the receiver (which a newly manufactured one would have no reason to), would be a AOW. I didnt specify smooth bore in my comment though.

        • CupAJoe

          an original auto and burglar from Ithaca might be exempt from the NFA, you’d have to research it.

          • Mr. C

            It ain’t.

        • JustAHologram

          Pending on the length it might make the “firearm” catch all category

      • jamezb

        How is the Mossberg 14″ non NFA 12 gauge classified?

      • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

        Actually I was thinking since 20ga is above .5″ if it was rifled it would be an AOW unless it was approved for the “Sporting Purposes” list.

  • retfed

    When I first saw the Pedersoli muzzle-loading Howdah pistols, I thought, “Those are really neat. The only thing better would be a cartridge Howdah pistol.” Pedersoli must have read my mind!
    You’re right, it’s not very practical, but it’s a Howdah pistol! What’s not to like?
    Next, maybe they can bring back the rare cartridge LeMat pistol, but with a .410 barrel instead of the original 20 gauge.

  • Anomanom

    Hmm, wonder if it can chamber .454. Probably better let someone else try it first.
    Also, am I the only one who would like that gun better with a birdshead style grip like a traditional sawn off.

    • Richard

      The extension on the grip is to keep your hand from hitting the barrel release under recoil.

  • Sam Tumminello

    -“I don’t see any really practical role for this firearm. Almost any use I can imagine for it can be accomplished much better with a number of other guns.”-

    Do we really need an excuse for a gun with that much class?

    Besides, and in total honesty, that thing would be a vermin pistol extraordinaire and if a more plebian-priced version is every released then it would also be a superb dashboard gun.

    • sauerquint

      Try one of those Cobray 14″ double barrel pistols. They are on gunbroker for 140 or so.

    • Aaron

      A Glock 19 would be much more practical in any application this thing would.

      • tazman66gt

        You…Just…Don’t…Get…It, Guess you have never heard of having a fun gun.

        • Aaron

          A fun gun has to be practical too. I like my Ruger Mk 3, it’s fun and practical. Something you will never really use for much and sell isn’t too fun. I’d rather spend that money on private training and ammo, personally, it would benefit you far more.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Personally I prefer revolvers ! They are actually far more practical and one hell of a lot more Fun . Though I also own 2 custom match 1911 Kimber . And I’m looking forward to purchasing at least Two of their long slide versions in 10’mm Now as for the Howdah Pistols Awsome fun piece

          • Aaron

            I love revolvers as well, but you can’t beat a high capacity modern semiauto for practical self defense purposes. 3 times the ammo, and a faster reload. With modern hollowpoints also, there isn’t much of a difference in effectiveness between 9mm and .45, .40, ect. So I go with the larger capacity and lower recoil of 9mm. I do enjoy shooting .357 in an 8 inch barrel revolver, though, and they have practical purposes aside from defense, though I wouldn’t turn one down if that was all I had.

            If all I had was a .38 snubnose, I definitely wouldn’t feel defenseless, but a semi auto would be a much wiser choice. Kimbers are good, I love 1911’s. My main issue with 1911s is the capacity, really. In a gunfight, you want less reloads and more shooting. Otherwise they are good pistols, though more difficult to break down than a Glock.

            I like Glocks and such because they are simple, reliable tools. I can appreciate a finely crafted custom 1911 as a work of art as well. But in the mud and dirt, I’d rather have the Glock, personally.

          • mrpoohead

            “Self defense” what kind of shit-hole do you live in – do yourself a favor and move. Actually I should emigrate to a better place – not difficult!

          • Aaron

            It is legal in my state to have a concealed carry permit. Also, it is in the second Amendment in our country. Honestly, it wouldn’t matter where I lived, carrying a concealed pistol is always a good idea.

          • mrpoohead

            Well I’m pleased I emigrated – no need for a gun and the homicide rate is negligible by comparison. A mass shooting is deemed a national catastrophe rather than an every day occurrence and we haven’t had one for ten plus years if not twenty.

            I’d walk, aside the distance, across every city here without concern. Used to live in LA and NY – probably not then.

            Think you will find most nations have the right to own – most sensible one’s impose common sense rules; mental health check, no criminal record and you must keep them somewhere safe and locked. Not rocket science!

            The toilet of the modern world is the US! Yuk!

          • Aaron

            I can see having long guns like rifles locked away if you have young children in the house. That makes sense. But your personal concealed pistol should be loaded and carried on you at all times. Criminals are in every country in the world, so is crime. You won’t stop it by banning guns. There is crime everywhere, just criminals commit it with knives and bats and fists instead of guns.

            I’ve done plenty of research, and aside from gun crimes, the crime rate in other countries is pretty comparable to everywhere else. People just get stabbed instead of shot.

          • mrpoohead

            Woefully inaccurate – in the US violent crime includes homicide, violent rape and armed robbery. In Sweden rape includes squeezing a ladies behind, punching a bloke in the pub is “violent crime” in the UK. In fact “violent crime” includes much more in W Europe, Canada, NZ and Australia. the incidents are on par with the US, but if those countries cataloged like America then they would be seriously lower figures.

            US homicide rate is five to ten times that of W Europe et al. So, fail!

          • Aaron

            No, you are incorrect. Do better research next time. Muggings, stabbings, ect, happen in every country in the world. Crime is human nature, and you won’t ever be able to prevent it.

          • mrpoohead

            “Violent crime” is on par in the Western world – the difference is what represents “violent crime” in those countries. In the US it is three things (FBI) in the others it includes those and many more scenarios under the heading “violent crime”. When many things elsewhere are not included in the US’s cataloging then maths says I am right, the US is more violent.

            Mass shootings don’t exist elsewhere – we average done per day last year (NY Times and Time magazine reports).

            Homicide rate quite easily researched – five to ten times in the US. That’s kind of more violent. Crime happens everywhere, just more “violent crime” happens in the US – fact or provide proof to substantiate.

            “Crime is human nature” – explain Japan then. Very little.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            If you aren’t well practiced under high stress conditions. You can own a 20 round. High capacity magazine an still hit nothing. Get off the high capacity mind set. Join a local IDPA I shoot both revolver class an semi auto. I do not live in auto war zone .At most I may run into 1,2 ,3,or even preps auto 1 time.gun fight range 3 to 15 feet. I CHOOSE THE REVOLVER FOR THREE DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT REASONS #1 THET ALMOST NEVER FAIL.#2 IF I’M DOWN MY WIFE ,GRANDDAUGHTER, OR OTHER LOVED ONE ONLY NEED WORRY ABOUT SITE ALIGNMENT A SQUEEZING THE TRIGGER. NEXT WITH MY 357 I AM ABLE TO HIT MAN SIZE Targets OUT TO 2OO YARDS. If I do my party. WITH MORE THEN SUFFICIENT ENERGY TO STOP A FIGHT CAN’T SAY THAT ABOUT EITHER THE .40 OR THE. 9MM.

          • Aaron

            Unless you have a .357 with a 6 or 8 inch barrel, be kind of hard to do. Also, the spray and pray will happen with any weapon, revolver or not. I’ve been shooting for 25 years and did a tour in Iraq.

            Also, you don’t need to use the sights at 3-15 feet, you can point shoot. I never used my sights at close range inside buildings overseas.

            A Glock is more reliable than a revolver, actually. Revolvers can have cylinder gap and timing issues, gravel, ect, can jam up the cylinder, I could go on.

            At 200 yards, a .357 isn’t going to have much more energy than modern defensive 9mm hollowpoints, as they are comparable out of a 5 inch barrel, 1250-1300FPS with a 9mm vs about 1600fps with a .357, both in 125grain JHP.

            Also, with the 6 round capacity, you cannot depend on a pistol to do a one shot stop. Even a .357, that’s bullshit hollywood myth.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            That. Is a huge mistake ,at minimum your eyes to target zone should include front site. Even at 15 feet .as for the 357 requiring at 6-8 Inch barrel to hit. Man size targets at 200 yards (Huge Myth. ) Each of my 357 are 5 inch Smith&Wesson custom shops . I personally filled in front sight stryrations with Gold an silver paint leaving the top 1/8 Black Gold line zeroed for 100 skip 1/8 black for 150 skip 1/8 black 175 silver line 200 yards 180 grain hard cast bullets Muzzle velocity 1225.Fp. Hand LOADS.F.Y.I I HAD SERVED OUR NATION WHILE YOU WERE STILL CRAPPING IN YOUR DIAPERS. 1 FINAL AN MMOST PERTINENT POINT THE 9MM IS AT ITS BEST with .355cal. 147 grain an under projectiles. The 357 uses .357.-.358.sized projectiles an begins where the limp wrist 9mm ends 147-180 grain projectiles . I carry an keep chambereded. For future references I’ve never an will never speak as to what I may or might have Exsperienced while serving. It certainly is true what people. Think they know or think they are well preprepared to face ? Will an shall get you killed.
            No if’s &’s or Buts about it

          • Aaron

            Well, I was able to hit targets out to 25 meters without using iron sights, with a rifle, and point shooting with a pistol is accurate to at least 7 meters, no sights. I never used them for close range engagements at all with a rifle indoors. It was too slow, and there was no need.

            I agree you should use the sights when you can, but there are times such as super close range where instinctive point shooting is better, you will be moving and shooting at the same time. I’m saying from firsthand experience that it works.

            Also even with a pistol, with the “wimpy” 9mm FMJ, which I agree 9mm FMJ sucks for defense use, it put people down.

            You sounded like you didn’t know much about guns, or had served in your original post. I agree you should use whatever guns you are comfortable with, but most of what you were saying about semi autos was worn out myths, such as reliability ect, modern semis are far more reliable than revolvers under extreme adverse conditions.

            With my experience and training, I’m fully confident in carrying a 9mm, I know with my training that I can get the job done, any job required of a pistol. I’ve shot a factory glock out to 150 yards. There are much better shooters that can push it farther than that. I think I’ve seen 250 with a .40 Glock, and it would still have plenty of power at that range to drop someone, I’ve seen and done the physics equations for it.

          • mrpoohead

            Yes Aaron, it’s for all the folk that have been born too late to be John Wayne. Get a life, get a hobby. bang, bang, bang. Ha, ha, ha! Sad!

          • mrpoohead

            Why? I surf – three boards for differing conditions. Why would you need so many shooters – small winky? Only way to be successful with the ladies – hit them over the head and drag them off? Awwwww!

          • Aaron

            Well, I’m 99.4th percentile when it comes to that, so no. Same reason why you have different boards, differing conditions. A pistol won’t do the job of a rifle. A semi auto rifle might not do the job of a bolt action. A shotgun can be set up for hunting or self defense, and serves another different purpose.

            Subcompact handguns are for deep concealment in hot weather. Larger ones for better control and higher capacity.

            Those are the main reasons for owning multiple guns. One gun doesn’t do everything well, they are just like anything else.

          • mrpoohead

            I understand the hunting aspect – different attributes. But, pistols – why live in a war-zone or a toilet when you have choices?

          • Aaron

            I don’t, and I don’t plan on getting in a shootout, if I did, I wouldn’t have a pistol, I’d have a rifle. The pistol is like a fire extinguisher, there for emergencies.

          • mrpoohead

            Amusing! That to my mind is a war-zone or toilet.

  • gunsandrockets

    Fantastic!

  • Sasquatch

    Sweet now all I need is a stake a silver cross necklace and a katana. Then I could be a legit vampaire hunter……

  • PersonCommenting

    Definitely a fun gun. Be more practical somewhat if it has ejectors.

  • Cymond

    Ideally, I’d like it if this could be registered as an AOW and then just drop on proper shotgun barrels.

    Sure, there are double barreled SBS out there, but AOWs are super rare.

  • marathag

    Be nice if they would do this with Polygonal rifling

  • Sianmink

    Couldn’t a replica of the 20ga Auto&Burglar be made and be classified as a Firearm, provided it’s overall long enough?

    • Bill

      That’s what I thought, assuming it started life as other than a shotgun, which this did.

    • tazman66gt

      As long as it is 26 1/2 inches in length and never had a stock it will be classified as a firearm not a shotgun.

  • TJbrena

    I think I remember seeing something sort of like this, but in a combo of .454 and .30-06.

  • Are A&Bs the most uncomfortable dadgum guns in the world to shoot? ‘Cuz they sho’nuff look like the most uncomfortable dadgum guns in the world to shoot.

  • wetcorps

    “I don’t see any really practical role for this firearm.”
    Have a kydex holster made and CC it, duh.

    • maodeedee

      That’s what the ATF is worried about! That’s why they insist on rifled barrels because then no one would carry it concealed.

  • Alex Agius

    Does anyone know why they didn’t just make the auto burglar with a rifles barrel post 34? Because it wasn’t until 68 that the “non sporting over .50 are destructive devices” came into effect so pre 68 it would be a 20 gauge pistol and so non nfa (and the rifling could be functionally useless with an insanely slow twist rate or something)

    • Richard

      It wasn’t very popular when it was available.

      • maodeedee

        But it would be today if it sold for a reasonable price an if it wasn’t for all the totally IGNORANT and useless laws.

        • Richard

          Agreed.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    I want two and a western style holster. These look awesome!

    I really hope they come in under a $600 price point.

    • sans

      MSRP is $1350 as stated on their facebook

  • MisterTheory

    The wood around the grip mounting hole is pretty butchered up.

    • jamezb

      look closer…it’s not wood…some kinda bakelite looking stuff.

      • MisterTheory

        Ok, the bakelite is pretty butchered up.

  • Bradley

    What I’ve always wondered is why no one makes something like this with “rifled” barrels that don’t sling shot so badly. I don’t know if there is a legal definition of rifling, but if there is I’m sure it’s pretty vague. Why couldn’t you just make grooves that are shallow enough, and maybe with a slow enough twist, that shot would still pattern effectively?

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      What I’ve always wondered is why anyone bothers with .410 in a pistol. Just use the real handgun caliber and be done with it.

  • Shaun Connery Oliver II

    I thought it would be the four barrel from BATTLEFIELD 1, but it wasn’t what I was expecting. But that doesn’t mean it sucks, right?

    • Tassiebush

      Haven’t seen the game but I’m suspecting in the game it’d be a Lancaster pistol which’d be quite obsolete by then. It was a four barrel pistol.

  • scaatylobo

    IF it were in a real caliber [ useable for a REALLY bad sitrep ] then I would need one.
    500 S&W or better yet .460 S&W and then it would shoot .454 & .45Colt too.
    It would be THE “Road warrior ” gun as well as a new gun for “Zombieland II “.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      Yeah, rather than pretending that .410 is of any use in a pistol, or that .45 will hit anything going through 10″ of smoothbore before engaging the half inch of rifling.

  • jamezb

    Anybody notice the stocks appear to be synthetic bakelite – looking material? This might cost less than I’m assuming…

  • guest

    Technically speaking if someone would take say an M2 clone, have a 10″ barrel on it, make it semi-auto only and have a pistol grip as the only means to hold it it would also be in legal terms a “pistol”. In technical terms: go f*** yourself. Pretty much the same thing here with this “pistol”.

    • bull

      and a “binary” trigger?

  • Kevin

    What’s the price??

    • maodeedee

      From Pedersoli, probably more than most people can afford.

      • Aaron

        Yeah, like Apple products, there are much better out there for far cheaper.

  • B-Sabre

    When you positively, absolutely want to tell someone to “F***off!” Without saying a word….

  • bull

    but must the rifling be a spiral? straight rifling should technically be rifling too and should work in a shotgun…

    • Edeco

      1 in 10,000 twist or the like? Interesting thought but I wouldn’t want to be the one to try it as a defense.

    • Aaron

      Probably wouldn’t make much of a difference with barrels that short, you won’t be picking off Hajis at 300 meters with one of these anyways. It’s mainly intended to hang off the side of your armchair in case a crackhead kicks in your door while you are watching gay porn and eating cheetos.

  • Jsim

    If you could get it in a birds head grip I’d get it

  • Renegade

    “MSRP is not stated yet.”

    Well, it’s a Pedersoli. I’m going with $899… street price.

    • maodeedee

      MSRP is $1350 as stated on their facebook page. Maybe only $1150 street price”.

  • Silver Bullet

    Hey guys I like it. 45/70 well I dont know about that. My Marlin 45/70 lever rifle with Buffalo Boar + in .500g is certainly an interesting round! As far as the derringer, you cannot outdraw a derringer in your belt about at the point of your belt buckle. Even a novice can get it out real damn quick.

    • maodeedee

      2 shot sigle action derringers are a poor choice compared to a seven shot Glock 43 or S&W Shield that’s smaller, lighter, and more accurate.

  • maodeedee

    I’d rather see it in the original 28 gauge. Brennake makes a 5/8 ounce rifled slug load that would work well in a shallow rifled barrel (Just enough to be legal) and the 28 gauge is a lot more effective than a .410 for aerial targets.

    At one point Taurus was going to offer a version of the judge in 28 gauge in a larger framed revolver and they had worked out the rifling issue but the ATF, after first approving it, changed their mind’s and decided against it for reasons known only to the ATF.

    The 28 gauge is everything the 410 should be, especially if someone would chamber it in a small-framed gun, and is the shotgunning world’s best kept secret.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      Because it’s a shotgun gauge and would be an AOW. Very simple.

  • MichaelZWilliamson

    Why didn’t they just make it in .45 Colt or .44 Magnum and not waste time on .410?