How Will The Election Result Influence The Gun Industry?

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TFB avoided clickbaiting during the election. I even killed a number of grey-area stories that my team wanted to write. This resulted in us conceding a lot of traffic to our competitors, but I could hardly claim we are not about politics if we suddenly become political when it suited us.

That said, this election was always going to have a significant effect on the gun industry, regardless of the outcome, and due to popular demand from readers I am going to share my opinion on how the election of Donald Trump as President, along with a Republican House and Senate is going to affect the industry over the next four years.

In the short term, we can expect NICS background checks to slow resulting in lower total numbers. The sale of pistols, Modern Sporting Rifles (semi-automatic rifles) and ammunition will soften. Consumers are not going to feel any sense of urgency to buy guns like they had after the previous two elections.

It is ironic that both Smith & Wesson and Ruger’s share prices have fallen significantly (both dropped approximately 15% over the last week) on what is ultimately good news for the industry. Investors had assumed a Clinton win which would have led to yet another round of panic gun buying in the short term. The share price fall has wiped $230 million off the market cap of S&W and about $130 million off Ruger.

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Long term, of course, a pro-gun President is good for the industry, but the record profits after the Obama elections are not going to happen. Obama was truly the world’s greatest gun salesman. Investors will be confidant that Federal gun-control legislation is unlikely to be passed over the next four years and so I would expect greater investment in the gun industry. This will ultimately lead to innovative products for consumers, rather than a race to produce as many AR-15 stripped lowers as possible.

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As far as gun right legislation, I think the common sense Hearing Protection Act should easily pass into law. The NPA allows suppressors to be purchased with just an ATF Form 4473 like any pistol or rifle, no tax stamp or waiting period. Quite frankly there is no reason why suppressors should require more paperwork than car mufflers to purchase, but the HPA is at least a good step forward.

Sadly I don’t foresee the manufacture of transferable machine guns being legalized anytime soon, but now is the time to remove restrictions on Short Barreled Rifles and Any Other Weapons (AOWs). It is insane that screwing a vertical grip onto a pistol (making is an AOW) is a federal crime punishable by 10 years imprisonment. This is just common sense.

It seems likely that Trump will start talking to Russia and eventually roll back the sanctions, imposed by Executive Order, against Russian companies thereby allowing Kalashnikov firearms back into the USA. Trump will need to be seen to get something in return for easing sanctions, so don’t expect them to disappear overnight.

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Chinese firearms are also banned by a number of Executive Orders. I cannot see Trump reversing these. He campaigned on fixing the trade imbalance with China and he is not about to open up the domestic gun market to cheap Chinese imports. For the same reason I cannot see the general ban on the importation of “non-Sporting” firearms to be dropped.

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Lastly, I know for sure that SHOT Show 2017 won’t be as chaotic as it would have been if Clinton was elected. It was complete madness four years ago when Obama decided to proclaim his intention of introducing gun control during the Show. I am looking forward to an optimistic and drama free SHOT Show in January.

Let us know in the comments if you agree or disagree with my assessment, and what you think will happen to the gun industry. Please keep it non-political.



Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • Major Tom

    “This will ultimately lead to innovative products for consumers, rather
    than a race to produce as many AR-15 stripped lowers as possible.”

    Oh Gods I hope so. Sick and tired of EVERY. SINGLE. RIFLE. Always having to be some kind of AR knockoff or accessory. Get some gotdanged innovation going!

    • pun&gun

      A lot of that has to do with small-business innovation, I think. Making entirely new ballistic platforms takes a large company with lots of capital, usually, because of the engineering and testing involved. Anyone with a CNC and/or 3-D printer can innovate parts on a proven modular platform.

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      When you have 10 million new people buying an AR for the first time, why spend money on R&D for a new gun when the AR you’ve been making for 20 years will sell just as good, if not better? -every gun maker for the past 4 years. It’s supply and demand, and the demand was for guns that could be banned. Now that the impending legislative doom has (somewhat) dissipated, the demand will be for new and innovative designs.

      • Rick O’Shay

        Now my personal demand is focused on improving the quality of my gun library, and acquiring the guns on my wish list. If someone comes out with something truly new and innovative, I’m willing to consider it.

        • Paul B.

          It would be great if another MSR could be successful on the market. But to do so would require a lot of R&D money which would have to be recouped through sales revenue. When you can find entry level AR’s for $500 and really nice ones for around a grand, it is very hard for a new design to compete with that if it’s a lot more expensive.

          • Rick O’Shay

            Anything more expensive is going to be niche, or appeal to a collector. It’s very hard to compete with the modularity of the platform, which basically gives you infinite variations on a concept. Anything someone comes up with in terms of a genuinely innovative MSR is going to be met with “yeah but I can make something that does that too for XXXXX dollars cheaper on an AR”

          • Minuteman

            Exactly. Call me an Old Fart but I basically wouldn’t need anything outside a P226, 1911, AR, AK and Winchester Model 70. Sure I like innovation but it’s going to take a lot to win me over.

          • billyoblivion

            This is America, we conquered (real) need[1] a long time ago. We are at or passing “want” and working towards luxury.

            Need is for third world peasants and socialist politicians.

          • Minuteman

            I consider my guns to be tools, I shoot and don’t collect them. Luxury is what you get in heaven -IF you get to go there. YMMV

        • Yes, but that is a much smaller and more demanding market. Such buyers demand not only flawless function, superior accuracy, instant customer support, but on top of all that, they expect the novelty to be significantly better than a highly optimized product. It is nearly impossible to do this even at twice the price of an AR15. Not many existing businesses are willing to risk bankruptcy on such a gamble.

        • gunsandrockets

          “gun library”! I like the sound of that. More fun than ‘gun toolbox’.

      • Paul White

        I don’t even want tons of new R&D, but how about working to up production and slightly lower cost of decent revolvers and bolt actions? I want a Ruger GP 100 with a 6″ barrel *so* bad but damn they’re pricey. And a savage hog hunter in 308. And a Howa 1500 in 300 magnum. But they alll cost as much as an AR, and you’d think AR’s are more complex to machine and assemble

    • GD Ajax

      I agree. Too bad I’m too lazy to get a Disqus account or I’d give you an upvote.

      With engineering jobs leaving the country since Reagan, it wont ever happen. Time to those small start ups to learn from European manufacturers.

    • Paul White

      I like my AR’s (plural) but yes, holy crap! Not everything has to be an AR variation!

  • NewMan

    I’m a gun owner and I wrote Bernie Sanders on the ballot. Would never vote for a racist buffoon like Donald Duck.

    • Nerf guns don’t count.

      • NewMan

        Ooh look another tough Trump worshiper on the net. FYI I shoot and own guns ever since your mom was swinging around the stripper pole

        • Pete – TFB Writer

          Knock it off please.

        • Trey Heldmann

          Classy… did you read the article? I know the relationship between firearms and politics can never be truly severed, but in the comments section of an article attempting to be non partisan, can we at least try?

        • Minuteman

          You ought to sincerely apologize for that disgusting remark about his mother and take it back.

          • Jake

            your time is far more valuable than his.

          • Minuteman

            Thanks man. Just saying though. My need to keep things civilized and respectful is always urgent.

    • 11b

      Lets keep it focused on guns eh? Don’t make the rest of us gun owning liberals look bad by mouthing off.

    • Bullphrog855

      No one asked what you did in the polling booth.

    • Mr. C

      I am more of a libertarian, and find Donald Trump to be a ludicrous person, but at the end of the day, he is la presidente, and we should treat him as a tool for pro-gun legislation, and rein him in on everything else.

      • Marco Antonio Gonzalez

        I know that in english you don´t have article gender but in spanish we do
        The Donald is a man hence a male article is needed: EL presidente

        • Mr. C

          Whoops. Looks like my french and spanish got mixed up. 😉

      • Minuteman

        Do you mean El Presidente (LOL) or Le Président?

        • Joseph Goins

          I think he was calling a…well, that thing Trump likes to grab.

          (Sarcasm)

          • Minuteman

            That kind of talk just disgusts me. You don’t call somebody’s mother a stripper, and you don’t talk trash on women in general.

          • Joseph Goins

            I get it. That’s why I cast my ballot for McMullin. But, I was addressing the “la presidenta” the other guy wrote that you commented off of.

          • Swarf

            What’s wrong with strippers? It’s a job.

          • Minuteman

            A shameful job that degrades women to lust objects for the amusement of perverted men. I value, cherish, love and respect women and disapprove of the sexualization of the female being.

          • Swarf

            Oh my god. You’re like the albino glow-in-the-dark tritium White Knight.

            Tone it down, Dudley.

          • Paul White

            Doesn’t approve of drugs or booze either.

        • Mr. C

          Romance languages clearly aren’t my forte.

    • Don Ward

      Awww. Someone is a special snowflake.

    • User

      Yes the biggest mistake ever of the Democrats was to choose clinton. Bernie would be so much better (and would have won). And when some people would talk with him he would develop understanding for gun owners.

  • Tim

    This will be the 1st SHOT show, with “legally stoned” attendees. I am thinking that the 1st company that sets up a “munchies bar” in there booth will be a big winner.After 30 so years of doing SHOT, guess I will have to replace the big bottle of asprin I always kept in the booth for visitors with a industrial size tub of cheese balls from Costco

    • JumpIf NotZero

      FWIW…..

      Since pot is still illegal federally – if you use it in a legal state you are still breaking federal law. So while you can’t go to jail for it unless a DEA or some federal agent arrests you, its AT BEST a gray area when truthfully filling out a 4473.

      Letter of the law, if you mark no, you are lying on your background check.

      • Minuteman

        The lines in the sand or SOP as you will should be Zero Tolerance for any narcotics whatsoever, and Constitutional Carry across the nation. By no means a fan of the man, but you might want to read Bill Clinton’s ‘Why Centralization’. It actually makes sense and has some good points if you grasp the concept of his reasoning.

        • alex waits

          If I’m reading your comment correctly, you support becoming a “prohibited” person if you do narcotics(weed)?

          • Minuteman

            There’s never an excuse for being intoxicated. Never. You don’t get to DUI unpunished, so you’re not gonna shoot under influence unpunished. Plain and simple. I’m a ‘responsibility first’ kind of person. The ‘well regulated’ part is just as important as the ‘shall not be infringed’ part. The militia consists of all able bodies people, men and women. We cannot have dopers and drunks in our ranks.

          • billyoblivion

            Are you saying “there’s never an excuse to *carry*[1] while intoxicated”, or “there’s never an excuse to BE intoxicated”? Because those are very, very different statements and one of them is going to get mild agreement, and the other is false as written.

            [1] meaning be armed with something stronger than a pocket knife.

          • Minuteman

            I’ll repeat what I said, thought and meant: There’s never an excuse to be intoxicated. True happiness comes from God and God alone, not from dope or booze. Again, YMMV

          • billyoblivion

            Oh, one of those.

            Never mind.

          • OlFolk

            Thanks for your statement!
            Medical weed is legal in New Mexico, but as soon as you apply for a card, if you have a concealed carry permit… They send you a letter and revoke permit because assumed use and a violation of federal law… Something to think about!

          • RA

            Come on buddy, you may not be a Christian but I know you seem to be a decent man. IMO lets at least try to respect each other as fellow gun enthusiasts, shooters, pro Americans etc.

          • Pistolero

            Boooooooooooooooooo

          • rt66paul

            Jesus’ first miracle was changing water to wine. Since he went town to town, the only way to be assured of clean drinking water was to mix it with wine. So, we can be sure that Jesus drank like any other man at that time.
            Most Christians throughout the world imbibe at services and for pleasure. If it is not right for you, personally, and you choose not to imbibe, that is your right. Do NOT tell me that I am wrong or not a Christian because I have a couple of drinks now and again.
            Coffee is aa stimulant. By your reasoning, no one who uses it should carry or shoot a gun. Wake up, open yor eyes and understand the people around you.

          • Minuteman

            Like you I have a beer or a glass of wine now and then. What I’m talking about is drunks, alcoholics. Heavy drinkers that are pissed drunk all the time. The extreme cases so to speek. It’s not that black or white bro.

          • RA

            X2

          • RA

            You missed his point. He’s talkinga about getting smoked up or drunk. Don’t try and deny that most people smoking weed aren’t shooting (no pun intended) for a killer high. I smoked weed back in the day and the goal was to get stoned. All this implied eclectic discussions about weed is horse crap. Not to mention, very few are smoking/using weed for medical reasons.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            That is some wildly unrealistic thinking. It’s like straight edge in adult form.

            Yea, I’m going to say no to prohibitions on all things that people may enjoy. But I’m just weird like that.

          • billyoblivion

            The straight-edge punks (if that’s what you’re thinking of) at least had a logic behind their movement (at first. Later it just became train jumping cool points). There were a lot of people around them *extremely* messed up on drugs and alcohol. The HCSE movement was a reaction to that, albeit with the same kind (eventually) of purer than thou bullstuffing that “Minuteman” displays.

          • SpartacusKhan

            everybody does, tho

          • Not everyone gets drunk, or even drinks.

          • RA

            Or stoned on weed.

          • RA

            Agree 100%. The excuses for using drugs and/or making them legal has been around for years. The bottom line is the facts that they are not good for you, do cause mental impairment, and can destroy your life.

          • Minuteman

            Exactly!

      • BryanS

        Perhaps time to consider eliminating the check.

        There is a wealth of evidence that all it does is impede. The only, ONLY, place I can see it doing any good is in stopping a person with a PFA against them from obtaining something at a gun store, but more often it probably delays the person trying to protect themselves.

  • John Yossarian

    Perhaps we could see the China and non-sporting bans dropped, so long as fair trade agreements are reached.

    • Joseph Goins

      Fair trade? They don’t let their people have guns. There will always be an imbalance on this issue.

    • Rick O’Shay

      I’m not sure there’s anything the Chinese could bring to the table that we’d consider dropping those bans.

      • billyoblivion

        The ban isn’t there to punish the Chinese, if that was the case we’d ban of something they make a lot of–like shoes.

        The ban is there to keep Americans from getting their hands on the stuff.

        • Rick O’Shay

          As it may be. But given Trump’s publicly stated positions about the Chinese and international trade agreements, there’s no way he can remove those bans without Dems spinning it as benefiting the Chinese more than us. Yes, the original intent was to contribute to the disarming of America. However, from an anti-gun pol’s point of view, unless US trade stands to gain in some major way by loosening those bans, Trump can’t really do much about it without looking like he was insincere about the Chinese trying to take all our jobs and money.

          • billyoblivion

            Oh, but there is.

            See, the gun trade from China will be *small*, as frankly it’s the cheap charlies and the collectors who will want those guns (for the next year the market will likely be over-supplied with guns, so European and American guns will be priced reasonably in regards to their production costs and quality. Chinese guns are like Russian guys in that their production costs are lower for reasons).

            Trump, if he was really interested in the gun industry, could simply shift the ban from Guns to something else–for example, there are rumors that GM will start importing Buicks from China. IDK how he’d actually accomplish that, but I’m not sure how the president can just ban firearms from being imported in general. So say he swapped the Gun Ban for a Buick Ban. And no, I don’t think it’s possible, and certainly don’t think it’s likely.

            Seriously, given Trumps historical statements and his comment on “Evolving beliefs” I expect that we will get absolutely nothing from him either way on guns.

        • Avery

          Actually, the ban was largely because of Norinco’s hand in illicit firearms trade. When you have them to float a container ship filled with automatic weapons meant for the black market into American harbors in the ’90s, sanctions are expected.

          And, of course, Bush renewed those sanctions when they got caught selling missile parts to Iran.

          That said, they do produce some noteworthy weapons. The Norinco QBZ-95, imported as the T97, is a pretty popular rifle in Canada, considering that they can’t own stuff like AKs and ARs.

          • billyoblivion

            Ah.

            Leland Yee associates?

          • Scott P

            Wrong

            Operation Dragonfire had nothing to do with it. The ban happened in 1994, Dragonfire was 1996.

          • C.

            We can own ARs in Canada. It’s among the most popular rifles civilians can get here.

  • Captain Obvious

    It should be good for consumers to have a large supply of guns (ARs) on the market. That lowers prices as companies compete to get rid of excess inventory and hopefully bring more innovative products to market. That should last for awhile until things stabilize. I would also hope to see national concealed carry reciprocity take hold. The feds should prosecute state and local govt’s who don’t abide in people’s civil rights.

    • Rick O’Shay

      California comes to mind. Especially with that ridiculous ammo background check.

    • Doom

      True story. Even PSA was to a degree scalping right before the Election. 7 Days ago a blem assmebled lower was 199 plus another 20 or so for shipping. Today it is 149.99 and free shipping. Thanks Trump! lol

  • Rick O’Shay

    I think you make some fair points, and I agree with your overall assessment. I would add though, that just because the HPA might pass, I don’t think it will necessarily lead to decreased prices on suppressors. In fact, I think it might actually lead to a price increase, at least temporarily, as consumer demand jumps. Which is why, if HPA does pass, I still likely won’t get a suppressor for any of my hunting rifles until some time has passed. I couldn’t care less whether Chinese restrictions are removed, but I do think removing the Russian restrictions would actually hurt American firearms manufacturers, as it will reduce the incentive for innovation and improved manufacturing processes. Especially given the attitude of “why build quality when you can just buy it for less?”

    • pun&gun

      I’m not sure. Now that American companies are actually tooling up, it might be better to give them a competitive benchmark for quality.

      • Rick O’Shay

        The current state of American AK manufacturing hasn’t convinced me that’s true.

        • pun&gun

          What do you mean, exactly?

          • Rick O’Shay

            If you could get a Saiga or an American-built AK of equal quality, and both were priced exactly the same… which would you pick? Me, all things considered, I’d pick the Saiga.

          • pun&gun

            If they were equal quality and equal price, assuming there was no special feature exclusive to one or the other that I wanted (which is my primary drive in picking options in the market), I’d buy American before buying Russian. The fact that it’s from Russia isn’t inherently valuable to me unless it’s an old war curio kind of thing.

          • Rick O’Shay

            My gut says you’d be the exception to the norm. You’re absolutely right that the fact that it’s from Russia doesn’t mean it’s inherently better or more valuable. But there is a certain authenticity some (not all) AK owners value, when they say they have a Russian AK over an American AK.

          • pun&gun

            As it stands, I’d currently buy a Kalashnikov over an American model just because I trust the Kalashnikov to work. I’d love to see American companies get to that level of reliability.

    • Porty1119

      There are far too many American manufacturers turning out the exact opposite of quality. I don’t think that approach would (will?) fly in non-panic times, so would could see the various crap-pushers go under in favor of BCM, DD, and other higher-end manufacturers.

      • Rick O’Shay

        I can only hope the crappier manufacturers would go under. Unfortunately, there’s an awful lot of people out there who buy solely on cost, with no regard to quality. If crap is cheap enough, people will buy it.

    • Minuteman

      Yes and no. Yes: America is in desperate need of a high end home built AK, DDI is working on that. No: There are a lot of folks out there that like genuine Russian AKs. Freedom of choice=let the market do its job. Where there is demand, there should be supply.

      • Rick O’Shay

        I wouldn’t mind owning a genuine Russian AK. I’m just saying in terms of quality American AKs, I don’t see many companies jumping into the market of making them, if they’re up against the Russians. Improving the American side of that market takes time and money. It’s going to require a company with a brave soul (like DDI) to be willing to front all that in hopes of being attractive enough to be profitable.

        • Minuteman

          DDI most certainly has gained my respect and trust. I did my home work, wrote a build list and am in for their hammer forged milled fixed stock version as soon as they’re available. I want to install a Bonesteel M4 type folding stock for milled receivers as I want it to be easily transported and intend to use a CTR w/ cheek riser.

          • Rick O’Shay

            I’d want to physically handle and maybe try shooting one first before I commit to buying it. I don’t doubt they’re high quality guns, though.
            For me personally, I’ve handled and shot quality AKs, and I’m working on my own personal AK build, and the goal is to build as well as I can and make my own quality AK. No s****y IOs for me.

          • Minuteman

            Here’s what I’m thinking of.

            DDI Hammer Forged Milled AK-47 Fixed Stock Version
            Primary Weapons Systems KeyMod Aluminum Picatinny Rail Sections @6 and 9
            Bonesteel Arms Milled AK Folding Stock w/ Magpul CTR Stock w/ Enhanced Rubber Butt-pad 0.70″ & 0.50 Cheek Riser
            ALG Defense AKT-E Trigger
            Krebs Custom Trigger Pin Retaining Plate
            Krebs Custom Mk-VI Milled AK Enhanced Safety Selector
            Lantac Drakon DGNAK47B 14×1 L/H Muzzle Brake
            Zenitco RP-1 Charging Handle
            DPM Systems AK-47 Recoil Reduction System
            CSS AK-47 Trigger Guard Billet
            Command Arms AK-47 Extended Magazine Release
            Midwest Industries MI AKG2 UK MI Gen 2 AK Universal Keymod Hand Guard
            BCM KeyMod Rail Panels
            Chaos AK47 Milled Receiver Rear Rail
            Stark Equipment AK-47 Pistol Grip
            Stark Equipment Express Grip
            XS Sights AKM 24/7 Rear & Big Dot Front Tritium Express Set
            Aimpoint Comp M4S w/ GDI CM4-OSM QD Mount
            Samson 3.5x Magnifier
            Surefire M600 Ultra Scout Light w/ LaRue Tactical Surefire Scout Light LT272 QD Lever Mount @ 9
            Savvy Sniper Quad X Cobra Sling
            2x ALG Defense Forged Sling Swivel
            Arsenal Bulgaria M-47W Waffle Pattern 30-Round Magazines w/ WeaponTech AK47 Enhanced Bolt Hold Open Followers

            Preferred ammo being Goldon Tiger and good condition brass surplus FMJ’s. SP’s when better brands than Tula such as Wolf/WPA are available at affordable prices.

            Bottom line: Overall objective is an AK that is as handy to store and transport, light, stable and accurate as possible while incorporating all the benefits of nowadays modularity.

    • Paul White

      I think even in the intermediate term it’ll help. Maybe not int he first year or two, but eventually we’ll A: Not have a 200 dollar tax on it, and B; hopefully that’ll open up demand for lower end suppressors. I don’t need as quiet as possible, I just dno’t want hearing damage if I use my handgun for protection int he house

      • Rick O’Shay

        It’s the “year or two” bit. If they can get the HPA passed, I’ll go ahead and start saving and shopping around. When something comes up that fits my needs and is at a price I feel is reasonable, I’ll get one. Right now, I’m fundamentally opposed to the idea of paying an extra $200 to exercise a right, and I’m fundamentally opposed to contributing to panics, or artificially driving up demand based on a hypothetical. But I don’t see things normalizing right away just because HPA gets passed.

    • john huscio

      If American manufacturers can’t handle competition, maybe they shouldn’t be in business in the first place. Up your game, don’t rely on big daddy government to keep the training wheels on. Competition makes everything better.

      • Rick O’Shay

        I don’t think it’s that they can’t handle competition, it’s that the cost of getting into the competition (and being legit competitive) isn’t worth it. I’m fairly disappointed that American manufacturers never did step up after Russian imports were blocked. We got s***-tier stuff like IO and somehow said “good enough.”

  • A Fascist Corgi

    It will probably be a bad thing for the gun industry. The gun industry ironically loves anti-gun liberals like Obama and Hillary because it causes people to panic buy firearms. If Hillary would have won, I would have bought tons of firearm-related products as an investment. But now that Trump won and the Supreme Court will have a conservative, pro-gun bias for a generation, and because the Republicans also won the House and the Senate as well as the Presidency (holy moly), I’m not worried about new gun regulations.

    On the plus side (from a consumer’s perspective), there’s going to be a dramatic drop in prices over the next few months as gun dealers try to get rid of all of the firearms that they stocked up on in order to meet the demands of the panic buy that never materialized. So, it will be a great time to find some nice deals.

    • Porty1119

      Hey, I’d love $300-400 Saiga Sporters again. I missed out on those due to still being in high school when they were available.

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      The gun industry loves them some anti-gun politicians, just not so many that their industry gets shut down.

    • Phil Hsueh

      Sadly, none of the price drops and innovations will reach us here in CA, we’ve been saddled with a lot more stupid anti-gun laws this year including restrictions on ammo purchases. As much as I appreciate the Republican win and what it means for the 2nd in this country, the sad fact remains that living here in CA I won’t be able to reap any of those benefits.

      • ARCNA442

        You never know – maybe a new Supreme Court will strike down assault weapon bans the same way they did with concealed carry bans.

        • gunsandrockets

          The plausible minimum time line for relief via Supreme Court action is 5 years, and more likely double that. I’m afraid gun-control laws are only going to get much much worse before they get better in California.

          There have been Federal Court cases on California gun control laws which have dragged on for as long as 13 years.

          • RSG

            Not necessarily at all. Depends how many good cases are already in the pipeline. I expect a new Justice to be seated in the next few months. We could conceivably see some pro gun decisions by this time next year. It actually all depends on CJ Roberts.

          • gunsandrockets

            You might be amazed how long a hostile state government and unfriendly lower courts can drag out an issue. Believe me. And the Supreme Court won’t decide anything until the lower courts get their chance to decide.

            There have already been a bunch of California gun-control cases which have been decided by the Federal Courts. Getting relief on any of the important issues means starting from scratch.

            Realistically, the quickest way to bring relief is for Federal Legislation, based upon the enforcement powers granted Congress by the 14th Amendment. Essentially a new Civil Rights Act aimed at gun-control laws which violate the 2nd Amendment.

        • Phil Hsueh

          One can hope.

      • gunsandrockets

        Vote with your feet!

        • Phil Hsueh

          Eventually. Hopefully.

        • Cymond

          I admit, that’s what I did.
          OTOH, it’s arguably retreating in defeat.

    • billyoblivion

      I see no evidence that a significant number of people in “the gun industry” have anything but contempt for the crapweasels that would defecate on our rights. There may be some in the larger companies (Remington, etc.) that like them, but more for their other political views.

      However, they are (mostly) capitalists, and when you have an opportunity to profit, you do so. Also when your livelihood is threatened you bank cash because you’ll have to find a new way to do things.

    • Cymond

      Hopefully we’ll see some good deals between the election and the upcoming Black Friday/Cyber Monday.

      I would really like a small pile of M&P-15/22 mags.

  • Jim Slade

    The rapid devolution of the comment thread proved you folks right as to editorial approach in the run-up to the election-
    A profound thank you for adhering to your stated goal on the masthead:
    “Firearms Not Politics”.

    • PK

      Hear, hear! My sincere thanks to TFB staff on that count, as well.

    • Pete – TFB Writer

      Not always easy, but removing emotional arguments leads to a higher quality writing product.

      I wish all media would focus on writing facts and drop the opinions.

      Great team here at TFB.

      • Jeremy Star

        That used to be called “journalism.” Since the politicization of news, “journalism” is a rare bird indeed.

      • Just Askin’

        TFB has competitors?

        • PK

          Ha! Good point… although they do point to or publish entries from other fascinating blogs at times, such as Forgotten Weapons, Historical Firearms, WeaponsMan, ImproGuns, and so on.

          • ^^^ those are our friends.

          • David Harmon

            Thanks for sticking to firearms. Politics get annoying after the first month of gun control advocates lose their mind’s.

    • Paul White

      A-frigging-men. It isn’t like there isn’t infinite political content out there you know?

    • Jeff Smith

      This. Of all my friends (much more liberal than conservative), I have yet to meet the person that doesn’t have a grin from ear to ear when I take them shooting.

      The subject of firearms doesn’t have to be a political one. I love TFB for that reason – it’s a site that everyone, regardless of political affiliation, can enjoy.

      • jsondag

        Agreed. I’m very liberal myself, and I love guns, and shooting sports. Most of my gun buddies are liberal, and none of us voted for Trump. Hillary was never a real threat to our rights, and it’s our belief that Trump will be damaging to our country overall. But all of us love guns. Including modern sporting rifles.

        I do hope Trump lives up to his pro gun promises. I also hope he does NOT live up to his other promises, like a wall between us and mexico, a tax cut for the wealthy that will bankrupt us, trying to make our Allies pay us for housing troops on their land, instituting anti-free trade laws, backing out of much need climate change legislation, repealing the affordable care act that has allowed millions of Americans to get insurance; instead of improving it.

        I hope he takes threats from North Korea seriously, and I hope in four years our people can see past the fake news stories on social media, and any propaganda that our next candidate may make up off the top of his or her head to slander their opponent, research things for themselves, and let facts, logic, and compassion decide their vote.

        • Jeff Smith

          Pro-gun lefties – we’re hen’s teeth.

    • Mikial

      Agree completely. It’s almost as if the introduction of anything political sends people into a frenzy of irrationality.

    • Thanks 🙂

    • JustAHologram

      Well said Mr Superintendent

  • Data Venia

    Could we maybe start importing our Garands back? That’d make me happy.

    If the 22lr could be left alone long enough to reproduce that’d be nice too.

    • pun&gun

      I think an item floated by Trump’s gun policy advisors was related to the importation of those Garands.

    • Southpaw89

      Wait, .22s can reproduce? So if I leave a couple rounds in a box with some soft music playing I’ll have a full brick in a couple months ;). Seriously though, it’d be nice if the prices come down some.

      • Andrew Foss

        They breed? [peeks in an ammo can] I left *two* .22lr rounds in there! There’s six thousand now!

  • Skraeling

    I actually think there is going to be an uptick in sales. A whole new disillusioned market just opened up. There are a lot of people now suddenly feeling less safe. Whether it is a rational fear or not, it still stands that the firearms industry ought to be welcoming to these newer markets. In doing so we may be able to help people understand why it is so incredibly important to maintain our individual right to defend ourselves and that all lives are worth defending.

    • DW

      You mean those who voted the other guy would finally embrace the 2nd amendment and be one of us?

      • Swarf

        Some are already one of “you”, but couldn’t get past Trump’s pathological narcissism, bullyboy threats, misogynistic rhetoric, sociopathic hatred for the “other” du jour, general spitefulness and incredibly bad taste in running mates.

        • DW

          Us as in 2A supporters, i do not mean Trump voters.

  • CS

    Even simpler than the hearing protection act is to abolish taxation (which is a form of infringement) on all firearms and related supplies. Never forget Boston.

    • Thomas S

      That only partially makes sense. Taxation in the form of the NFA can be (and I believe is) an infringement because the original goal was to keep these items too expensive for the majority of the citizenry to purchase one. Taxation, in this case specifically on commercial goods (firearms, ammunition, ect.) is a power given to the federal government in the constitution.

      I will happily pay my sales tax. Beyond that I don’t see why the government should get any more money for someone buying/owning a firearm than they get for someone buying/owning a pair of shoes.

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        I will begrudgingly pay my sales tax, and curse it under my breath.

      • Minuteman

        I agree with CS. A right taxed is a right lost.

      • Phil Hsueh

        Somebody should tell that to CA.

  • Bullphrog855

    I really do hope for a strong push for HPA, if that happens then I’m happy.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      The only thing standing in the way are themselves.

  • tts

    Thanks for not taking the clickbait route!

    • tts

      Actually that made me just sign up for the year for you guys. Its seriously appreciated here!

    • Except for that one lady writer they have who doesn’t write content, but instead just names a commonly controversial topic then ends with”what do you thinkg?” She is nothing but empty click bait. I.e. “9mm or 45, what do you think?”

      • Major Tom

        There is nothing wrong with Miss Katie A.

      • Rick O’Shay

        I don’t mind those so much as the empty press release recycling. “So and so came out with a new product, it’s great!” Like that nearly 2lb $380 flashlight that can be mounted on your firearm (still seriously WTF was that about?). The “discuss amongst yourselves” articles could be vastly improved if a little more effort was put into polishing them first before publishing.

  • M.M.D.C.

    I think you’re right on the money. Bulls eye, right on target, etc, etc.

    There’s also the Supreme Court to consider and the upcoming nominations battle(s).

    I’m grateful for your restraint, it was nice to read a gun blog during the recent madness without having to slog through all the political emotion.

    • RSG

      Doesn’t have to be a battle. Just use the nuclear option. Oh, and there’s currently 102 federal judicial vacancies waiting to be filled. They should all be NRA suggested picks.

  • Pete – TFB Writer

    Trump suppressors > Obama phones

    • DW

      Make suppressors great again!

    • Wolfgar

      Perfect , ROTFLMAO, 🙂

    • Paul Bartels

      If you like your suppressors, you can keep them!

  • Jim N Jenna SK

    Bought 10k worth of scare guns because of Hilary

  • Don Ward

    I guess the hoarders hoping to flip AR parts, ammo and mags for double and triple the price during a panic buy have to crawl back to whatever trailer park they came from.

    • Avery

      You’ll get those parts for a major discount come the holidays or in April.

    • Rick O’Shay

      I personally have only “hoarded” to the extent that I bought enough AR lowers that each of my children could inherit one once they’re old enough to own a gun. Tangential, but I’m personally of the political persuasion that whenever someone says “the Democrats aren’t trying to take away your guns,” my response has been, no, they might not be trying to take away MY guns, but they’re definitely trying to take away my children’s guns. And I’ll do everything I can to make sure that doesn’t happen.

    • Phil Hsueh

      Nah, they just have to focus on selling to CA is all. Prop 63 passed so we’re looking at even more restrictions than we already have now so a lot of people will probably be wanting to buying AR lowers to make their featureless builds.

      • Don Ward

        Oh man that sucks. Up here in Washington they passed another Initiative with poorly worded gun control legislation as well.

  • DW

    “I am going to build a SBR and make ATF pay for it”
    “The barrel just got 10″ shorter”
    “We need a strong chamber which can stand up to backpressure”
    “1911s may not be entirely crap but I don’t do politeness”

  • Slim934

    Man what I wouldn’t give for an end to the SBR, AOW, and Suppressor regulations. Imagine the amount of development we would see in the integrally suppressed pistol and rifle markets. It would be YUGE!

    Also thanks for not going the clickbait route.

  • Minuteman

    I expect the President elect to repeal ALL 2A infringements, as well as lift all sanctions and import bans. Period.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Well I have good news for you if you like bad news.

      • Pseudo

        On an unmentionable competing blog which revels in politics, they all seem to agree with minuteman. I’m as baffled as you, but it’s probably similar to what drove the panic buys under Obama. The closest I see Trump coming to actually pro 2A is to appoint one or more conservative judges who believes the 2A guarantees the personal right to arms. There isn’t a single judge on the court (and Scalia wouldn’t have either) that would argue that all infringements are unconstitutional, period. Read the Heller opinions, minuteman. Not much Trump can do about that.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          We shall see wont we?
          Im sure it will be quite entertaining.

          • Ren

            As someone watching from outside the immediate-area-of-effect of the Trump hand grenade, his entire presidency is going to be hugely entertaining if nothing else.

            At least I have some hope he’ll hire the right people and give the right instructions, unlike our own mob of idiots currently calling themselves politicians.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            We are living in strange times, my friend.

          • Swarf

            At least we should finally get some good, angry music again.

        • Joseph Goins

          Too right, mate.

        • Bullphrog855

          I think the gun community just has unrealistic expectations. Trump is a “let’s fry the big fish first” kind of guy, and I doubt he sees the 2A as the big fish.

          There isn’t going to be an Obamacare level push from Trump on gun rights, but he most likely wont veto anything that gets through the house and senate.

          • Paul White

            Yep. I plan to write all our congresscritters the week after inauguration about the HPA at least, because anything that happens, is going to happen from them

    • Joseph Goins

      When you float back down to Planet Earth from Cloud 9, let us know.

      • Minuteman

        Cloud 9 is way better man, Planet Earth is kinda sucky. Why don’t you join me? I got an unlimited supply of cold beers and ammo, as well as mighty fine ladies to add into the mix over here.

    • Bill

      Not a chance. No money and minimal glory in it.

      • Minuteman

        It’s not all about the money, and what greater glory than restoring and respecting the Constitution? The Holy Bible and the Constitution forever man…

        • Bill

          Who were we talking about again? I doubt he spent his foundation’s money for a 6 foot tall painting of the Constitution.

          • Minuteman

            As in generally speaking…

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    I bet the gun company CEO’s were praying for a Dem win.

    • Sianmink

      Just the dumb ones. Boom/Bust cycles are hard to stock and prepare for, even If they can be hugely profitable if you catch them right, and we’ve been in this for the last 8 years. The market is getting saturated and it couldn’t last forever.

      I’d rather have steady, predictable demand.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Im trying to think of anything Obama did to curtail gun rights.

        • Sianmink

          Not for lack of trying, though one could argue he was just making noise to keep his progressive base happy, given how he did exactly nothing for the two years they actually had control of congress.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I honestly dont think it was a priority for him. The only change I can think of is a law he signed in 2010 allowing guns in national parks.
            Clinton I feel would have been a different story.

          • Sianmink

            I agree entirely. If Obama was an empty suit, Clinton presented like a true believer.

          • gunsandrockets

            Obama has a history of anti-gun activity and opinion which goes way back before he was President.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Well my point is that it must have become less important to him because as President I didnt see him pushing the agenda.

          • gunsandrockets

            I would say Obama pushed plenty after 2012. He was just very ineffective at it. But then that’s nothing new for Obama, since he’s a pretty lousy Chief Executive and pretty ineffective at most efforts. Even with Obamacare his primary role was just signing legislation produced by the leadership of Pelosi and Reid.

          • billyoblivion

            Honestly Obama was a very ineffective president. It’s hard to criticize him without using words that make SJW types scream “racist”, but what do you say about someone who spent more time on his March Madness brackets than he did on Security Briefings? He clearly had no taste for the day to day grind of being the Chief Executive.

            Congress knows what happens when you try to pass any sort of serious gun control. If you’re not from a solidly blue district you find a very real chance of losing your job at the next election. At the very least you have to spend LOTS more money out of that pool of bribes called a “re-election campaign fund” in order to keep your job.

            Obama wanted to stand up in front of a camera, read a few words and have other people carry out his grand plan–much like with the so-called “Obama Care”. About all Obama did for that was smile and nod. He’s good at smiling and nodding. Had lots of practice when he was a dope smoking college kid.

        • Captain Obvious

          Not through lack of trying though. Fast and Furious was just one attempt to capitalize on the so called “assault weapon” panic by allowing those weapons go to the mexican drug cartels so the DOJ could claim the US was the problem. The very obvious end game was either enact some sort of executive order and/or to use that to leverage an AWB by shaming the congress through public hysteria. Didn’t quite work out for them when the guns they allowed to go were used to kill Border Patrol Officer Brian Terry.

        • gunsandrockets

          How about Obama funding the anti-2nd amendment, “Second Amendment Research Center”? Back when Obama was on the board of The Joyce Foundation?

          http://volokh.com/2009/11/25/joyce-foundation-funded-osu-2nd-amendment-center-expires/

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Didnt hear about this but not surprising.

        • RSG

          His efforts were stopped. He pushed hard for and would’ve signed an assault weapons ban. Magazine restrictions. Ammo ban. He banned the importation of Kalishnakov arms. Isn’t that enough?

        • Scott P

          7n6 ban
          Kalashnikov Concern ban
          ban of U.S. surplus items coming back from overseas (South Korea)
          Steyr AUG pistol kit ban
          attempted to ban M855/SS109 ammo

          That sounds pretty extensive to me.

    • Joseph Goins

      They were. A Hillary presidency would have been great for business due to fear-mongering. There is no proof that any gun control measures would pass since the House was always projected to remain in Republican control.

      • Humpy

        Just curious but what the hell do you think happened in California?, All the states controlled by Democrats have passed countless gun laws and are still trying for more.

        • Joseph Goins

          #1. Welcome to California! If you don’t live there, be thankful. If you do, move or quit your bitçhing. Bitçhing has never helped anyone achieve anything.

          #2. This ENTIRE thread is about the federal election, not ballot measures. Your comment is horribly misplaced.

          • Humpy

            I did leave California in 2012 never to return. Your original post is naive.
            The house and senate consist of both Democrats and Republicans, the states that have more Democrats in office such as California always impose the most draconian gun laws.
            There is quite a bit of difference between federal, and or state laws.

          • Humpy

            The next president also will pick 1-3 Supreme Court justices.

          • Won’t let America die

            I’ll say two is a safe number, three at the outside.

            Replacement of Scalia
            Ginsberg is on borrowed time
            Clarence Thomas has mentioned retirement

            Anthony Kennedy and Steven Breyer will probably retire during the next presidential term.

            Whomever Trump chooses (and is able to push through Congress) for Supreme Court Justices, I would hope that he takes a page out of Obama’s playbook and choose candidates that don’t already have one foot in the grave (50 yrs old or younger).

            That is as critical as choosing a true constitutionalist and someone who interprets constitutional law, NOT legislate a leftist agenda from the bench.

          • Joseph Goins

            None of your four comments disprove what I said as #1 the entire comment is about federal issues and #2 the Supreme Court does not “pass” laws. Please think before commenting.

            (I now know why its guns and not politics on here.)

          • Humpy

            They uphold or deny, I didn’t know you were special, sorry.

          • Joseph Goins

            No, they don’t. Have a great day!

          • Humpy

            I will also add the fact that if Hillary Clinton became president she would pick possibly 1 to 3 Supreme Court justices in the next four years which would be a very bad thing for the Second Amendment.
            I think before you write idiotic comments about Hillary not being able to accomplish anti-gun law you should actually use the brain you were given to think about it.

  • I don’t see the HPA getting passed, as it would lead to a massive loss of seats for the R’s in the midterms. The mass hysteria of “X candidate voted to legalize silencers!” would be political suicide.

    • Rick O’Shay

      Nah. Do it early enough in the presidency, and a very clear counterargument would be to point to the (lack of) increase in silencer-aided crime.

      • Joseph Goins

        That also plays in to the myth of Hollywood-quiet silencers.

        • Rick O’Shay

          I can’t think of a better way to kill that trope than HPA.

    • john huscio

      Thanks, I needed a good laugh this afternoon.

  • BrandonAKsALot

    These are basically what I’ve been thinking as well. I’d love to see Chinese AK’s come back, but he’s been pretty adament about the issues with trade there.

  • Joseph Goins

    Steve: you made some very astute observations. I’ll try to focus my comment on policy, not politics, as I add a few more points:

    #1. Publicly-traded companies are not the only ones “suffering” from the reasonable belief that Hillary would win. A lot of local gun shops bought extra guns and ammunition with the expectation of having a fierce sell-off similar to what we experienced after the Newtown shooting. I talked with the two dealers in my town, and they both stated that would suffer financially. (One even said that he would go bankrupt if people didn’t buy items since he took out a $100,000 loan to purchase new stock. You can call that “bad business” all you want, but it does have real-world consequences for the average gun buyer.) If we had the money to buy a gun if Hillary won, we have the money to buy one to celebrate that she didn’t

    #2. Trump has made two seemingly contradictory positions: a very strong desire to appear tough on trade and to support the Second Amendment. I suspect that he will favor stronger trade restrictions and not tough the Russian imports. If I’m wrong and he picks the Second Amendment over trade, 5.45x39mm would be imported once again which (last I checked) wasn’t being made domestically. It will become economical again to buy an AK-74.

    #3. Trump talked like a staunch supporter of gun rights during the campaign which resulted in his endorsement by the National Rifle Association. People tend to gloss over the fact that he once wrote “I support the ban on assault weapons” among other highly anti-gun statements. Forgive me for being apprehensive about whether or not he truly had a “come to Jesus” moment and repented of his ways. If “once a choker, always a choker” is true about Romney (according to Trump), then “once anti-gun, always anti-gun” is true of Trump. What will happen if we have another Columbine, Aurora, Sandy Hook, Roseburg, etc.? Will he give into popular demands calling for gun control? He hasn’t done anything to convince me of real change in this area such as showing us his personal gun collection (which, due to living in NYC, it will not be as “fun” as it should be).

    #4. Gun culture has changed significantly in the last fifteen years. The “old guard” in power hasn’t been quick to accept that change and push its major initiatives. We the people still have our work cut out for us in getting them to pass legislation that repeals the serious abomination known as the NFA. We can’t get complacent because the Republican Party, which is not synonymous with being pro-gun, has the bulk of government power.

    • Minuteman

      Outstanding post. I’d like to add that Hornady makes 5.45 as part of the V-max line.

      • Joseph Goins

        True, but that isn’t cheap or mass produced.

        • Minuteman

          With a current lowest bulk price of 38 cents according to Ammoseek the price is indeed steepish at best. But just for the record though.

  • borekfk

    You could feel the sense of relief in my local store yesterday. To celebrate they had an $8.99 PMag sale.

    • Rick O’Shay

      Probably just trying to make room in the stockroom in the back.

      • borekfk

        They never even bothered putting in them in the back. They just stacked the cases to the ceiling next to the pallets of Ruger AR’s.

  • Bal256

    I already started buying more guns before the election. If the price drops now, I guess that’s a good excuse to buy even more guns! Good thing I like Ramen noodles.

  • Sledgecrowbar

    I think the easing of worries would be just as much an incentive to expand one’s gun collection as the threat of a ban, except instead of buying ten AR lowers, you could buy a nice classic rifle you may have been wanting for a while. in the end, ten AR lowers are budget money tied up in unused aluminum, preparedness notwithstanding.

    • Cymond

      I’ll be focusing on completing projects, expanding my plinking collection, enhancing my current collection, etc.
      I’d like a couple more suppressors, but will wait to see what happens with the HPA.

  • Twilight sparkle

    Speaking of Chinese firearms being imported… I saw a new Kalashnikov style shotgun that academy is importing from china but there could be an issue with one of these pin holes https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4eae5ce2114b365b975a3be263340d7df7380bbf5cb58d68aac47c71971e0dc9.jpg

    • Jose

      Can you provide me with the link of the company who’s importing that Chinese, Kalashnikov style, shotgun? Thanks.

    • I just emailed you about that shotgun.

      • Twilight sparkle

        Sorry about the slow reply

  • If he keeps the promises listed a couple weeks ago concerning executive orders, we should get saiga products back,Urals too, and expect Kalashnikov U.S.A. to be sued by Kalashnikov Corp.

    • Rick O’Shay

      Except Kalashnikov USA has some connections to the Russian equivalent. They got their tooling shipped here or somesuch. Even if they were completely separate entities and the Russians sued the Americans, I can see KUSA collectively shrugging their shoulders at KUSSR and saying “whatcha gonna do about it, brah?”

      • That is rather speculative the contract plans and tooling haven’t been publicly disclosed. Both companies have made vague statements to the effect that each
        k acted within its own rights, but the other side was in breach.Both implied that a lawsuit would occur as soon as sanctions were lifted and their respective rights become enforceable

        • Rick O’Shay

          Can you point me in a direction where I can read up on this? I missed all that drama.

  • john huscio

    I’d like to see three things:

    EOs on import bans neutralized
    HPA passed
    pro 2A justices appointed to SCOTUS

    if he does those three things (or even 2 out of the 3), I’ll consider his first term a smashing success.

    • RSG

      National reciprocity needs to be priority number 1.

  • john huscio

    I wanna see whole, unmolested SG550s and Colt Canada C7s/8s on the walls of my LGS under this administration.

  • felix

    Which competitors, ttag is boring as hell and ENDO is cool but he doesn’t post everyday

  • tom

    If we don’t get the HPA passed in the next few years with so-called pro 2A support across the board, folks are going to have to send a message to the republican party and NRA that talk is cheap just to get votes. It’s not good enough to simply keep additional restrictions at bay.

  • USMC03Vet

    It’s been a long time coming. 2nd amendment supporters should expect good things. At the state level things will occur. At the federal level things will occur.

    My wish list.

    Goodbye tax stamps
    Suppressors can be bought without a background check
    SBR? Classification goes away.
    All Obama executive orders regarding increased restrictions on firearms over turned.

    Prediction: it’s gonna be YUGE!

    • Minuteman

      A repeal of ALL 2A infringements, Constitutional Carry across the nation and the lifting of all sanctions and import bans. The Donald needs to make this happen, otherwise it’s mission unaccomplished.

    • john huscio

      I’d hope he reverses the barrel ban too

    • RSG

      National reciprocity should be the number 1 priority. Period.

    • Paul White

      IF SBR’s and supressors are taken off the NFA I’m building a 300 blackout with a 10″ barrel ASAP

  • Bill

    That’s a big no on lifting restrictions on the Russians. He needs to actually stay awake and on task during his daily intel briefs and end the bromance with the KGB.

    • Minuteman

      Oh boy don’t open that can of worms…

    • john huscio

      I hope he opens the floodgates for Russian small arms to come into the country.

      • Bill

        Phrasing…..

  • Ethan TheWolfman Varner

    I would love to see the South Korean m1 garands and carbines comeback someone should say something to century arms also HPA for the win! Remember to contact your state representati!

  • gunsandrockets

    how about amending the GCA 68 to expand the “only suitable for sporting purposes” exemptions? Clearly legal self-defense is a legitimate use for shotguns and imported firearms.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    Let’s just hope the father listens to his son. I also really hope that the Second Amendment advisory committee comes up with a plan of executive orders to be repealed going all the way back to LBJ or further.

  • billyoblivion

    > TFB avoided clickbaiting during the election

    ITYM TFB avoided clickbaiting *ABOUT* the election

  • .45

    Everyone is so excited, but I will believe it when I see it…

  • Edeco

    Like everyone’s saying, short term azure gonads for the industry, maybe a lean year, but
    no biggie. New shooters have been made, there won’t be a return to 10
    years ago.

    I look forward to, as others have
    said, silencers, imports, maybe scoring a panic-bought modern assaulting rifle
    cheap. Maybe new cartridges, which are mostly superfluous, but
    interesting. I now feel no need to hoard 80% and stripped lowers which
    is nice, sizable expense for limited fun averted.

    The short term
    practical side will be fun, but the cultural side, frankly is going to
    bore the heck out’ me. I’d’a rathered we stay out in the
    metaphorical woods, snarling and disenfranchised. We could be so much
    cooler! Oh well, I don’t blame y’all personally for flaking out on me.

    The
    long term practical side, I have worries, think we’re further from
    getting (full) auto back now than last week, showed we can be reasoned
    with way too early. But oh well, far be it from me to question instant
    gratification, a bird in hand is OK.

  • My sympathies to you and your fellow Californians.

  • Vorant

    Anyone consider how these protests going on in various cities might affect gun sales if they should become a regular thing and become more violent?

    • john huscio

      If it lasts into his presidency, trump could just cut their food stamps/section 8 or whatever other government assistance I’m betting a very large portion of these “protestors” get.

      • LR Threeoeight

        George Sorros be damned.

  • Smedley54

    Earlier today I still noticed a lot of AR models are sold out on internet sites, so somebody’s still had a pretty good quarter.

  • Jim_Macklin

    I am still anxiously hoping to buy my self a Ruger AR556 and maybe a DD and other essential rifles just to celebrate FREEDOM.

    It is a good thing that the Democrats did not register enough illegal aliens in enough states to tilt the Electoral College. Illegals in California didn’t change California’s electors and Nevada doesn’t have enough to matter.

    Doesn’t FREEDOM feel great! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/10f50ede594dfa2e93a9f32be089ee3d66a444ca47c8ae090b2d7f1af48e262f.jpg

  • Mark M

    I come here daily for reviews on firearms and gear. I respect the opinions and conclusions overall. That said, I feel like you’re pretty on point here. The rush has quieted, but long term investment in quality arms and innovation will be a breath of fresh air over panicking, racking up debt and the hoopla of the past 8 years. For someone on a budget it is immeasurable relief

    • RSG

      This should be the top comment.

  • JW

    Trump… Making ammo cheap again!

  • jerry young

    Now I’m not sure how true this is but I read where the electoral college still has to meet to take a vote to keep or change their original vote, we may still be facing a president that will try to destroy the second amendment, I hope not!

    • Won’t let America die

      I understand your comments, but does anyone want to give Hillary another shot?

      • jerry young

        Unfortunately it seem that thousands do whether paid to protest or truly want her as president there are those who would

  • Shot Show 4 years ago is on my list of Top Five crazy experiences.

  • RSG

    National reciprocity or bust!!!!!!

  • RSG

    And national reciprocity (which is different). I spend half the year in Minneapolis and half the year in NYC. I want my permit honored when I’m there.

    • Minuteman

      As far as I’m concerned the 2A IS your permit, brother.

  • Paul White

    Can’t you still order online for the remainder of the year?

    Buy a biiiiiig ol brick of everything

    • LR Threeoeight

      We can but individual cities have passed laws of the same nature and companies won’t ship to those areas.

  • Ton Hartink

    I don’t want to spoil the fun for you gun guys, but if Giuliani will be running the Justice department under Trump, as rumours idicate, I would not be surprised if gun restrictions turn out to be harsh just as in the period Giuliani was mayor of NYC.

    • 33Charlemagne

      The difference is that gun owners are an important part of the Trump constituency. While gun control might be a winning issue in a few left leaning states like California and New York it’s an overall loser in most of the US.

  • cisco kid

    You paint far to rosy a picture. On the site “The Truth About Guns” they believed that Trump would not hold his promise in regards to no new gun ban laws. They said that Trump is from New York and he probably would support a ban on all semi-auto firearms.
    In Massachusetts its already happened. With no new law being passed the Attorney General “re-interpreted a 10 year old law and with a wave of the Stalinist hand banned all modern semi-auto weapons and gun dealers were given only 8 hours notice. This came about because of the recent Supreme Court decision making the Sandy Hook semi-auto bans legal. The disingenuous gun hating Supreme Court said that a State could ban any and all weapons at will. Perhaps they never read the Second Amendment and if they have they are all laughing about their complete trashing of the Second Amendment.
    Meanwhile the lower courts in the Peoples Republic of California ruled that self-defense through “concealed carry” is not a right because it is a threat to the “Power Elite” (them) and their henchmen. The Court also refused to rule on “open carry” effectively and thoroughly trashing the Second Amendment and the recent Anthony Scalia ruling that people do have the right to own weapons. He is dead now and the Supreme Court has conveniently and totally forgot and trashed his ruling.
    The anti-gun nuts realize that their best ally is the gun hating Supreme Court and that they can and will pass many more gun ban laws all of which will be upheld by the Supreme Court or they most likely will refuse to even hear the case effectively letting lower anti-gun rulings stand. Its an old Stalinist trick the Supreme Court has been using for decades.

    • Won’t let America die

      Remember….

      The makeup of the Supreme Court will change significantly over the next two years for the better.

      We all THINK we knew what was on the line for this past election, but precious few people actually knew.

      America got a stay of execution from a irreversible death sentence of socialist/communist one party dictatorship. Our Second Amendment rights was just ONE critical issue at risk.

      The internal enemies of our country lost this round, but they will never give up – they’ve been slowly destroying the U.S. for over 80 years, and they just missed their goal in this election.

      Freedom is not a spectator sport. We need to keep ourselves aware and informed (thank you, TheFireArmBlog!), and be more proactive in fighting the Leftist cancer that will not give up.

  • Madcap_Magician

    Really what we can look forward to is fewer insane swings in prices, less hoarding, fewer runs on the bank, etc. with regard to firearms and ammunition.

    • Won’t let America die

      Absolutely.

      Once things settle down after Trump takes office, and people can see if he walks the talk and our Second Amendment rights will not be threatened, I’d expect that gun sales should soften and become more competitive pricewise.

      I’m looking to purchase a shotgun and a rifle within the next year – I wouldn’t mind saving some $$$, buying ‘up’ a bit, or even both!

  • JP Merlano

    Keep up the exceptional work. Thank you for sharing and your diligent and continuous work.

  • Stephen Shallberg

    Here’s what I see:

    1. One, possibly two, Supreme Court appointments. Trump’s picks will be strong 2A supporters – they will have to be or arouse a firestorm among his supporters and thus in Congress. This is the most important thing Trump can do for gun rights – two new justices will provide a 2A firewall for decades.

    2. If HPA or nationwide reciprocity cross Trump’s desk I have no doubt he’ll sign them, and I think it’s highly likely he would sign an NFA amendment bill that de-restricted SBRs and AOWs. The problem with these particular bills will not be Trump, it will be getting them through the Senate, where Republicans have only 51 votes. This means the Republicans can’t defeat a filibuster if the Democrats hold strong. Also, even if these bills come down to a straight vote, every single Republican has to vote yes (unless we can find some Democrat defectors).

    3. As far as what executive orders will be modified or repealed? I think this is pretty unpredictable right now. The wild-card is Trump’s Second Amendment Coalition, headed by none other than Donald Trump Jr. There may be some creative executive order maneuvering ahead as far as repealing, modifying and even issuing new ones, and I am optimistic these will favor gun rights.

    We’ll see!

  • Cruiserdude

    The first should be a legislative package that codifies into federal law that the first ten amendments to the Constitution cannot be amended in any way that restricts their scope, nor legislation passed that limits any one of them to just one politically expedient interpretation.

    The second should of course be national reciprocity on concealed carry, with further codification of the existing law that no federal registry of gun ownership be maintained as a result.

    No reason to force the States to comply through further legislation, simply encourage lawsuits in said “blue” states and send them on up to the conservative SCOTUS, and let judicial precedent handle that.

    All other federal actions on guns pale compared to those two, IMHO. Those would secure our rights both in the current climate and protect against future administrations or state governments that wish to take them away.

    • Stephen Shallberg

      “The first should be a legislative package that codifies into federal law that the first ten amendments to the Constitution cannot be amended in any way that restricts their scope…”

      This requires amending the Constitution, which clearly states a method for amending the first ten amendments as well as the rest of them. You can read the Constitution to see just how extraordinarily difficult it is to amend – it is possible however.

      “…nor legislation passed that limits any one of them to just one politically expedient interpretation.”

      How would you define “one politically expedient interpretation” in the actual language of the bill? Because as you word it now, it’s so vague that it could be interpreted to mean anything, including a total gun ban, e.g “Allowing civilian possession of firearms is just a politically expedient interpretation by Republicans of the 2nd Amendment whose sole purpose is to get the votes of gun owners.” A future Supreme Court controlled by liberals would seize upon this language.

      I completely agree with you about national reciprocity however.

  • H.C.

    You have a Terrible attitude about the Hughes amend. Now if ever there was a time, is the time to push hard for the abolishment of Hughes!

    • Stephen Shallberg

      He’s accurate in his assessment of Hughes I believe. Any change or repeal will have to pass the Senate, and with only 51 Republican votes, the inevitable Democrat filibuster is insurmountable.
      The full “nuclear option” would eliminate all filibusters, but there is zero chance that McConnell will push for that just so people can buy new machine guns. The only hope would be that the full nuclear option is exercised over some other issue, and even then, all 51 Republican senators (or 50 with Pence as tie-breaker) will have to vote yes to repeal Hughes. And the opposition will paint this as a vote to “legalize machine guns for everyone.”

      • H.C.

        Not, if the proper taxes, fee’s and vetting are attached to the repeal. The Hughes amendment is blatantly unconstitutional, not everyone want’s a machine gun, and they are no more or less dangerous than any other firearm. With attitudes like this, your constitutional right’s will remain stifled. Now is the time we have the greatest chance to strike down a defacto ban, and we should all push on it.

        • Stephen Shallberg

          I don’t disagree with you, I’m merely giving a realistic assessment of the chances of repeal.
          You can yell “unconstitutional!” in Mitch McConnell’s ear all you want but there is zero chance that he’ll exercise the full nuclear option over Hughes.
          There’s no reason not to try however – I’ll be pestering my congressman and senators about it.

        • Spear Fish

          I would argue that spray and pray machine guns are less dangerous than carefully aimed semi-automatic fire, and lets not forget suppressors, unbelievable they even fall under the NFA. The argument needs to made to the effect of “The children’s hearing, it’s all about the children’s hearing!”.

  • richard kluesek

    In my area I’m aware of and recrestionally visit about 30 retail gun stores. This election season, have noticed that all the retailers over stocked up on politically incorrect inventory in anticipation of an Obama surge effect as previously occurred up to 2013 in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook affair. There was a blip uptick as well after the Pulse Nightclub spree but not as great. Being retired from retailing over 40 years, even if Hillary had prevailed, there still would not have been a panic buying surge. Simply because all the potential customers have already acquired what they desired over the course of at leat since 2004 sunsetting of the original 1994 AWB. There are no more closet customers in great numbers. The modern sporting rifle will still be the presferred firearm of contemporary shooters over the traditional wood stock and blued steel classics, but sales will be paced as there are new shoppers. And the observation that innovation will bring repeat customers for the future is the most healthy outcome for the industry. With Hillary everything might have sold out at premium prices within her first 100 days but that would have been the end of America and every other aspect of our way of life, so why did some in our business wish for that ?

  • cisco kid

    Anyone know why the surplus 1911 pistols were never released through the DCM. Its been a year since it was first announced.

  • Walter Williams

    Remember the 60’s riots? Not very well funded. Soros is turning up the heat with his $$$.

  • David Sonnier

    Hoping 22LR ammo prices go down some more

  • Kafir1911

    Good story and one that is most likely in the ten ring. I would like to see President Trump make a move on the M1 Garands now stranded in Korea.

  • John Smith

    This is great news for me, because as a college student and a Californian, I have to balance my budget. This gives me time to work and save and invest (and move to a better state).

    I have a good feeling about this.

  • Nathan Winans

    I fully agree with your predictions but think you missed a very important issue. He also wants to make CCLs just like your drivers license so if you obtain your CCL in your home state it will be legal in all states.

  • RA

    Hoping prices for ammo and reloading supplies will get back to some kind of normal cost and availability now.

  • Spear Fish

    Taking suppressors off the NFA list to me would be a no brainer. Why they are even on there is unfathomable. Just make sure you phrase the reasoning to the effect of “The children’s hearing, it’s all about saving the children’s hearing.”

  • philippes

    Something else that could happen very quickly under a Trump administration is an acceleration of Export Control Reform. Specifically, sending the firearms and ammunition products (U.S. Munitions List Categories I – III) of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) to the Department of Commerce. In fact, there’s a resolution already in Congress (H. Res 829) that demands this be done.

    The effect of this will be significant and almost immediate, as small gunsmiths will no longer have to worry about the Department of State coming to their door insisting they pay the $2,250 yearly licensing fee due to some service they offer being arbitrarily identified as a regulated activity. And small 07 FFLs would gain the ability to more cheaply expand their product offerings without having to take the ITAR fee into consideration.

    Export Control Reform could lead to a renaissance in firearm manufacturing in the US. People with great ideas, yet not a lot of funding, would enter the market with innovative products, freed from the onerous yoke of stifling regulation.

  • Bigjohn

    When the Hearing Protection Act goes into law, do you think we can start making ghost suppressor as we make ghost guns now?

  • slinky52ya

    Do you think the Trump Administration might allow the importation of the Garands that was shut down previously by the Obama Administration?

  • efred1

    Maybe I’ll be able to find .22 ammo for the first time in over 6 years. Then I’ll be able to justify buying more rimfire rifles.

  • Steven Parker

    Ok This is what I hope will happen.Prices go down on everything Gun related,no preasure to buy so it will be there later. Gun companys will be forced to lower prices and listen to the people wanting to buy. Ammo prices go down for the same reason. I believe that the anti gunners drove the prices up by people wanting to buy just anything thinking it will not be there if I don’t get it now. I know I bought two guns after the first Obummer election when the store was almost empty.

  • cruzo1981

    Getting SBR’s and suppressors on a 4473 would be a great and beatufil experience. Maybe even a return of $200 per held stamp makes me grin and warms my soul.

  • Mike Lashewitz

    As I said the prices will drop and then I will buy.

  • BeoBear

    I’d just like to see common sense laws for a change. Over the counter, non regulated suppressors would be an easy first. Doing away with the ridiculous regulations on SBR’s would be another. Basically just reversing all the changes the anti gun politicians have managed to implement during their rule.