Firearm ownership statistics from England and Wales

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There are about 58 million people living in the England and Wales (excluding Scotland and Northern Ireland.)

As most know, it’s not the friendliest place on Earth for owning firearms.

Especially the 1997 Firearms Act, and amendments, were devastating news for sport shooters and hunters alike.

However I’m surprised now and then when I find out it seems to be perfectly legal to own RnR and Akdal Semi-auto Shotguns with box magazines (as long as the barrel is…well…long), pistols (with silly antenna-like add-ons for length) and even AR-15, albeit only manual unless in .22 LR och WMR.

 

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UK Legal RnR Open Saiga shotgun

 

I think most people interconnect English gun ownership with traditional workmanship and hunting, like Holland & Holland, Purdey and similar brands.

But, as readers of TFB know there’s a possibility to buy a SAKO TRG M-10, supressed, even in London. I’m not saying it’s a walk-in walk-out type of buy, but it’s possible.

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From TFB’s visit: Sako TRG M10 in the middle of London, at Beretta.

An odd fact is that you need to have 2 referees for a firearm certificate and 1 referee for a shotgun certificate. I don’t know if this system is used in more places?

But there is actually a qualified right to own firearms in England, however I have never seen any sorts of statistics. Until now.

Below you can find data extracted from the National Firearms Licensing Management System (NFLMS) on firearm and shotgun certificates issued by police forces in England and Wales shows that:


Firearm certificates

In total, there were 153,404 firearm certificates as at 31 March 2016; a decrease of 0.1% (-199) compared with the previous year.

There were 539,194 firearms (covered by firearm certificates) as at 31 March 2016; an increase of 2.7% (14,069) compared with the previous year.

Of the 9,755 new applications for firearm certificates in the year to 31 March 2016, 97.7% (9,534) were granted and 2.3% (221) were refused.

A total of 396 firearms certificates were revoked in the year to 31 March 2016; a decrease of 2.5% (-10) compared with the previous year.

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Shotgun certificates

In total, there were 567,015 shotgun certificates as at 31 March 2016; a decrease of 2.7% (-15,479) compared with the previous year.

There were 1,331,563 shotguns (covered by shotgun certificates) as at 31 March 2016; a decrease of 0.5% (-6,836) compared with the previous year.

Of the 22,596 new applications for shotgun certificates in the year to 31 March 2016, 96.8% (21,884) were granted and 3.2% (712) were refused.

A total of 1,349 shotgun certificates were revoked in the year to 31 March 2016; a decrease of 1.7% (-24) compared with the previous year.

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BASC (the British Association for Shooting and Conservation) is the UK’s largest shooting organization; it has a membership of more than 145,000.

According to the NABIS database, between 1 April 2015 and 31 March this year 859 firearms were recovered (these were predominantly illegal firearms). Of these 55 have been ballistically linked to criminal discharges and the remainder (804) had no ballistic connections to previous criminal discharges.

Source: NABIS


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As you need a certificate to buy and own a shotgun, firearm or ammunition we can calculate the total.

It would mean that there are 720,419 owners, owning 1.870,757 firearms/shotguns.

So a little more than 1% of the population own a firearm. Not exactly a lot, and probably similar to a small city in the USA.

The market can’t be very big either, only 32,351 new applications and I’m sure a few of those could possibly be for used firearms.

It is also not know why certificates have been revoked. I’m sure there could be many natural reasons, rather than illegal usage.

I’m surprised by the size of their shooting association. They’re not exactly the NRA, but still a substantial number.

For more information you can check Wikipedia’s information: Firearms policy in the United Kingdom.



Eric B

Ex-Arctic Ranger. Competitive practical shooter and hunter with an European focus. Always ready to increase my collection of modern semi-automatic firearms, optics and sound suppressors.


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  • BattleshipGrey

    153,404 certificate holders out of 58,000,000 people. So 0.002% of the population own guns (legally)? Am I mathing right?

    Makes one wonder if that’s roughly how many want to own guns there, or if it’s the only ones willing to jump through the hoops.

    • Richie

      No, thats 0.26%, and that does not include shotguns

      • BattleshipGrey

        Thanks, it didn’t seem right.

    • Noir

      For comparison:
      Czechia (aka Czech Republic): 293 000 licenced shooters of roughly 10.000.000 citizens – ~2.9%.
      Out of 300k licenced shooters there are around 230.000 CCW licences – ~2,3% of population is permited to concealed carry gun.
      Those numbers are year old, 2015/2016 – there has been immense increase of interest in gun licences among Czechs because of terrorist/muslim/immigrant/”refugees” threat.
      CZ has lower murder rate than GB, go figure..
      (just for fun: Czechoslovakia had about 0,7% during last year of communism)

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        The Czech Republic has CCW? I need to get out more.

        • Noir

          Shall issue.
          btw: Czechia had more ccw licences per capita than Texas until around 2010.

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            That is interesting.

          • Lo Andy Kruth

            And they have no muslims!

          • marathag

            Texas had more gun laws than many realized, it was ‘No Issue’ till 1995

          • Boss

            Most of that was left over Ann Richards (D) doing her libtard law.

          • Mustascheo

            Yeah, I always thought it was funny talking to people who thought Texas was some some of Second Amendment bastion.

          • marathag

            Yeah, and they still have far more restrictions than Vermont.

          • Mustascheo

            They just legalized open carry (of handguns anyway) last year? Looking at popular culture, you’d think it was always legal and encouraged.

  • Anonymoose

    Unfortunately you can only have 2+1 in a shotgun in bongland, and no more than 2 barrels. Better to just go about it illegally there if you want anything fun, and don’t want to deal with all the crap you have to go through to get a license, not to mention club fees and storage laws. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d32129544f14cbff698f858a27f16c6a83e66caa91321e3de14ac6f6b620245c.jpg

    • Mr Mxyzptlk

      That is a common misconception about shotgun capacities being limited to 2+1. It is true that you can only have this capacity with a shotgun on a shotgun certificate, however it is possible to get a shotgun with a larger capacity on a firearm certificate (along with slug ammo and I believe shorter barrelled shotguns). Shotgun certificates are easier to get and more lenient than firearm certificates generally, with the usage requirement being as simple as going to any clay shooting ground or having some land where you want it for vermin control. For high capacity shotguns you have to demonstrate a reason which as far as I know they generally only accept if you want to compete in practical shotgun competition, or I believe if you are a game warden involved in culling deer you way be allowed higher capacity shotguns as well.

      If you want to see what shotguns you actually can use in the UK google UKPSA shotgun, you might be surprised.

    • Phil Ward

      Is that just a piece of Steel rebar?

      • Phillip Cooper

        Looks like a piece of conduit, but it’s EVIIIIL conduit!

    • phuzz

      Where does the ‘bongland’ name come from?
      I’d have thought it would apply more to the US, as weed is legal in some states, but illegal in the UK.

      • Anonymoose

        It has to do with them calling the hours of the day “bongs” after the sound a clock makes, or something.

        • Graham2

          This just isn’t true! I’ve lived here all my life and I have never heard anyone use the term bong for hours of the day. I know what a bong is though.

          • ThatOneChap

            The term comes from a post on 4chan where someone described a fictional scene of them being in London. The bongs in question refer to the chimes of Big Ben.

      • Ben

        It’s a 4chan thing. No-one in Britain uses bong or britbong to refer to themselves (other than a few internet dorks) and would look at you like you’re mental if you did.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7c2d5c08b5f8596b9860e1401977b6159cc7d8359360179a7399e72fd98b204.png

    • ThatOneChap

      Not true. You can own any single or double barreled shotgun, lever action shotgun, manually operated rifle, long barreled .22 rimfire pistol, or long barreled revolver with a 12 inch barrel and 24 inch overall length. You can own any semi-automatic or pump action shotgun with a 24 inch barrel and 40 inches overall length and can own any muzzleloading firearm. And if you live in Northern Ireland, you can own any pistol as well.

    • Mustascheo

      Sounds like they’ll consider anything they can a weapon if it suits them.

  • kyphe

    More importantly than ownership laws is rules on self defense. The reason the firearms ban had no effect on the already tiny levels of firearms related crime or death is that in the UK you will get arrested if you are carrying any kind of weapon for the purposes of defense even a hammer will get you arrested if the police think you are not carrying it to perform a legitimate activity, waving a kitchen knife out of a window at a trespasser in your back yard can get you arrested for threatening behavior. Use of a firearm in self defense is allowed in some special circumstances if you are out in a rural area for example with a long wait for any help and the attackers are coming for you! that is very important as if you shoot without an imminent threat last resort of life then you will be guilty of manslaughter if they die. Yes if you attack someone who is stealing your car you can get arrested too for assault as in the UK violence is classed as more serious than theft and justification is rarely if ever a defense in court unless you have diminished responsibility due to protecting your child kind of temporary insanity.

    • VanDiemensLand

      Very similar to the legal stance on self defence etc. in Australia, funny that 😉

      • FarmerB

        Maybe in Tasmania, but in some states, that’s simply not true, certainly in your home. Of Course, they make it extremely difficult to implement in practice since you need to have firearm disassembled, locked up and ammunition stored separated (and also locked away).

  • Ambassador Vader

    If you’re counting dangerous weapons owners in the UK you should also include those who own butter knives, spoons, and slightly bad marshmallows.

    • SP mclaughlin

      Don’t forget about the bicycle wheels.

      • Ambassador Vader

        I thought that they were outright banned due to their huge killing potential.

        • Anon. E Maus

          Bicycle wheels are covered by a non-proliferation treaty.

  • MartinWoodhead

    Well as a Brit quite happy with it being difficult to get hold of a gun. No dangerous wildlife and criminals can not easily acquire firearms regardless of what the tabloids say. Often police seizure of illegal weapons include air rifles and bb airsoft guns so the place isn’t awash with illegal weapons.
    To own a firearm you either have to have land to shoot over or join a club and regularly shoot if you stop shooting you have to surrender your firearm none of this keeping a gun just in case. So only dedicated shooters get to own firearms you have to own a safe and prove your a responsible person not only to the authority’s but to the club you join fail to persuade fellow shooters your sane and safe usually over a 6 month probationer period very little chance of getting registered and very little chance another club will take you on either.
    most people in the Uk live in urban areas and deer stalking is expensive so there’s no real demand for access to firearms. handguns were banned after a nutter who should have lost his weapons years before under the laws as they stood murdered a classroom full of children. twenty years later there’s been one mass shooting and no further restrictions on firearms. in fact expanding ammo (hunting ammo) is now available on a standard firearms certificate rather than a special exception which is a surprising sensible modification of the rules

    • Phillip Cooper

      Have you considered looking into proper punctuation and capitalization? This is painful to read.

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      That sounds horrible.

      • Graham2

        It may sound horrible but I can shoot my rifles and shotguns when I want and have Bisley, with its fantastic ranges about 1 hour away. I’d love ‘proper’ pistols back again but that’s not going to happen, so I just get on with using what we’ve got.

        Lack of concealed carry isn’t an issue, as very few people ever come across violent crime, no matter what the more sensationalist US news outlets would have people believe!

        • .45

          Do keep in mind “the more sensationalist US news outlets” are just as busy talking about the US as they are about other nations. Most people go through a crime free life here too, even though you might get the impression otherwise from our news…

        • Cap’n Mike

          Tell that to Fusilier Lee Rigby.

          • MartinWoodhead

            He got hit by a car. Before he was beheaded don’t really think a ccw is going to help if someone runs you over with a car.

          • Cap’n Mike

            As I said in my comment above, Imagine if one the people that sat there helplessly watching those 2 adherents of the religion of peace decapitate that soldier, had instead interceded with a CCW to save him?

          • jcitizen

            Speaking of which – automobiles are probably the most dangerous weapon that is readily available anywhere in the world. They also make great carriages for terrorist bombs. The reason they don’t use much firepower in Iraq and other Mideast counties in a strictly terrorist attack, is because they would certainly be gunned down in seconds. So the majority of terrorist acts over there are more bomb and vehicle related.

          • Graham2

            So, you use the extremely rare and brutal murder of a soldier to try and prove your point, bad things happen all over the world! No amount of concealed carry would have saved that poor guy.

            Even if concealed carry were legal here, I doubt it would have many takers, as people just wouldn’t see the need. Gun violence is generally confined to drug gangs killing rivals.

          • Cap’n Mike

            Imagine if one the people that sat there helplessly watching those 2 adherents of the religion of peace decapitate that soldier, had instead interceded with a CCW to save him?

            Drug gangs are also the source of most of the gun violence in the US. Depending on which statistics you believe, the violent crime rate in the UK is either double that of the US or as much as 4 times the US rate per 1000.

          • The Forty ‘Twa

            This comes up time and again on here but the debate seems to lack all context for the statistics which is very important.

            The FBI only count a small number of offences as violent crime compared to what is defined as a violent crime in E&W. It only includes Murder, Forcible Rape, Robbery and Aggravated Assault according to the FBI.

            Other sex offences aren’t included and an aggravated assault is defined as “as an unlawful attack by one person upon another for the purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury.”. The precludes a lot of minor assaults (which make up a good chunk of violent crime in the UK) from being counted.

            I could walk up to you in the street, punch you in the face and as long as you don’t have a serious injury it isn’t counted as a violent crime although you would be hard pressed to suggest it isn’t. Contrast that with England and Wales where any assault (no matter how minor the injury) is recorded as a violent crime along with all manner of other offences whether there was any violence involved or not (such as threats to kill, neglect of children and harassment).

            If you look at what is recorded as a violent crime in the UK, a lot of it simply wouldn’t count if we took the American approach to defining violent crime.

            The US has a very narrow definition of violent crime (almost too narrow I would argue) whilst England and Wales has a very broad definition of violent crime (too broad I would argue). You are not comparing like with like here and of course a country that excludes a whole host of offences that could reasonably be considered violent crime (like assault without injury or minor injuries)is going to have a lower level of violent crime.

          • Cap’n Mike

            Taking what you are saying about different ways of reporting violent crime is why I said “the violent crime rate in the UK is either double that of the US or as much as 4 times the US rate per 1000.”
            No where can I find it suggested that the rate is the same or lower.

            What are the good men of the U.K. Going to use to defend their wives and daughters when the next refugee sponsored rape holiday is declared? Harsh language?

          • The Forty ‘Twa

            I’ve never seen anything that compares apples to apples, the media reports you refer to don’t do it. Nothing seems to adjust for the differences. I’ll have a go of it and you can then show your working.

            It is probably easier to adjust the UK figures to the US definitions then it is to do it the other way around. Unfortunately UK wide figures don’t actually exist as there are three legal systems in the UK, two of which are broadly comparable (NI and E&W) and one which is quite different to the other two (Scotland). For the purposes of this I’ll use E&W as the comparison as incorporating the rest of the UK is difficult to do. You can round up the rates slightly to make up for this if you wish.

            Scotland typically has a higher rate of violent crime although that is partly due to a difference in counting rules when multiple offences arise from the same set of circumstances. Comparing violent crime between E&W (and NI) and Scotland is difficult due to the fact that a number of offences that exist in the rest of the UK do not exist in Scotland and vice versa.

            The FBI puts the US rate of violent crime at 365 per 100 000 for 2014 so for the purposes of this I will take that as gospel.

            Comparing homicide is fairly easy. 534 according to the recorded crime statistics for 2014/15. Some manslaughter offences likely wouldn’t be counted in the US but is statistically insignificant so we won’t worry about that.

            Rape is also fairly simple to compare at 29 265 for 2014/15 (government summary of recorded crime in E&W for 2014/15). It is important to note that the offence is counted for the year it is recorded rather than the year that it is reported to have occurred. There has been a large spike in reports of historical rapes in E&W in the past two years which likely skews this figure.

            Robbery again is simple, 57 814 offences for 2013/14, again from the same bulletin as the rape statistics.

            Aggravated assault is where it gets interesting. The FBI has the following to say:

            “The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines aggravated assault as an unlawful attack by one person upon another for the purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury. The UCR Program further specifies that this type of assault is usually accompanied by the use of a weapon or by other means likely to produce death or great bodily harm.”

            The following numbers are all taken from the bulletin mentioned above. I believe they represent crimes that would likely be counted towards the aggravated assault figures if the occurred in the US.

            Assault with intent to cause serious injury – 20 573.

            Attempted murder – 570

            Endangering life – 996

            Racially or religiously aggravated assault with injury – 2731. I’m not sure all of these would be counted in the US. An assault of this type with minor injury doesn’t appear to fit the US definition but the numbers aren’t that great so I shouldn’t think it makes much of a difference.

            Assault with injury – 348 773. This tends to be less serious assaults with minor injuries (serious ones would be with intent to cause serious injury). There is no way a lot of these would be counted in the US as it includes any injury, no matter how minor.

            It is very difficult to know just how much would be counted and how much wouldn’t. If we assume that they all would then we end up with a rate at about 796 per 100 000. I would suggest that is the upper end and likely overestimates the rate of violent crime when compared with the US. It is interesting to note that it is a large jump on the rate from 2013/14 which was about 705 per 100 000.

            If we accept that a lot of these likely wouldn’t count towards violent crime statistics in the US then we have to ask by how would not be counted? Arbitrarily halving the assault with injury figure gives us a rate 490 per 100 000 and excluding it altogether gives us a rate of 184 per 100 000. Excluding it altogether is not likely to be accurate.

            Unfortunately there is no real way of further breaking up the assault with injury figures. We can look at previous years when the categories were different to work out the difference between ABH level injuries (which would probably count in a lot of instances in the US) and less serious wounding which would probably be less likely to count due to the lack of severe injury or possibility of death or great bodily harm coming from it. In these years, ABH level injuries typically ran at about 2% of the less serious wounding figure (I’ve rounded up here).

            There isn’t much to suggest this percentage of more serious injuries would have changed since 2008 (last year for which that data was provided). I would infer from this that the most serious end of the assault with injury offences is likely to be a fairly small part of the overall figure and the bulk of these would not be counted under the US definition of violent crime. I wouldn’t however like to put a figure on it although if we use 10% as an example it gives a violent crime rate of 245 per 100 000.

            I would suggest this is much closer to the figure that would be reached if we took the US definition of violent crime and applied it to E&W but it is impossible to make a confident assessment of this.

          • Mike

            Same in USA. Most shooting “victims” are gang bangers.

        • Lo Andy Kruth

          And you don’t realize that the next thing being banned is your bloody shotguns?
          And after that your rifles.
          And i am sure as hell that you will be sitting on a social forum like this and dropping lines like” oh well at least i have my spears and bow and arrows”.

    • Ark

      At the end of the day, almost completely removing guns as the UK has WILL have a dramatic downward impact on gun violence. It’s quite simple and has been born out everywhere that has pursued that policy.

      I do not want to see the same happen in the US, but I am admittedly jealous of countries that manage to have a civil enough society that being shot is the last thing anyone is ever worried about. There has gotta be a way to have both.

      • MartinWoodhead

        You can have both but you have to be Swiss or German the Swisss do it by conscripting everyone and forcing them into the milita for yearly training till your 45. You get an assualt rifle of your very own regardless of if you wanted one or not.
        The Germans do it by strict regualtion and exams both pratical and written. Germans love following rule so thats ok.For example to hunt you have to pass both a written and practical exam on a range and in the field over seen by the local senior hunter whose a pillar of the community.
        Target shooting simlar set of exams both practical and written for whatever class of weapon you want to use. CCW is only for people considered under threat but then again theres a very low level of armed crime in Germany.
        Uk has double the population of texas but last year had 540 murders vs 1300 murders.

        Not letting people who really shouldnt have access to firearms seems to keep the level of mayhem down more so than arming the “good guys”.
        Due to the ownership level of guns in the US you’d have more effect resolving you war on drugs and doing something about mental health rather than more dubious control measures.

    • Lo Andy Kruth

      And?
      it boils down to what frosty said

      Damn i am glad i don’t live i UK!
      The country in the world with the highest % cctv surveillance but still high crime figures.
      Least access to guns but still high murder rate.
      And extreme amount of muslim immigration that is surely gonna destroy it from within.

      And you are happy you have strict laws about gunownership and NO ccw permits?
      Then you deserve the destruction of your country, cause your naivety is part of the problem.

      • Graham2

        Where do you get your information from? The murder rate is very low here!

        There were (in 2013) 0.06 homicides for every 100,000 people here, in the US it is 3.43 per 100,000 people. How does that equate to a high murder rate in the UK?

        Firearms related deaths overall (including suicides) are very low here too- obviously. 0,23 per 100,000 people in the UK and 10.54 per 100,000 in the US. Canada is 1.97 per 100,000 and in Switzerland it is 3.08.

        Violent crime figures are also low but are artificially inflated because you’ve only got to shove someone here and the police record it as a ‘violent crime’!

        The Muslim population here is pretty much like the wider population, law abiding. We have obviously had terrorist attacks here, carried out by Muslim lunatics- I’m just glad that’s never happened in the US- oh wait…

        • The Forty ‘Twa

          I’ve posted on here before about the defintion of violent crime when people (mainly Americans) say we have sky high levels of violent crime. The American defintion excludes huge swathes of offences that arguably are violent crime (a minor assault isn’t counted as a violent crime in the US…) and the definition (in England and Wales) covers a number of offences which involve absolutely no violence whatsoever.

        • nagantino

          Have a look at Firearms ownership in N. Ireland though. Still a part of U.K.

      • The Forty ‘Twa

        I’m not sure how you can quantify CCTV surveillance rates between countries. The vast, vast majority of CCTV systems in the UK are operated by privates individuals and bodies with the state having no access to them on a regular basis. City centres and areas with issues may have publically owned and operated systems but I live in a town of about 20 000 people and there aren’t any publically owned CCTV cameras covering public spaces.

        To be honest, having lived in the US I really didn’t notice all that much difference. Large cities had public CCTV systems with the vast majority being privately owned and operated. Smaller cities and towns didn’t have any.

    • HenryV

      ” in fact expanding ammo (hunting ammo) is now available on a standard firearms certificate rather than a special exception which is a surprising sensible modification ”

      That one got by me. When did it come in? I thought “hunting ammo” was only allowable on tickets where “hunting” was the reason to own?

      I ask because I don’t reload at the moment. I want a rifle in .22 Hornet but can only source “hunting ammo”. If I could buy that while I am learning to reload it would be good. I’m a rimfire guy but it would be nice to own at least one centrefire rifle. Nothing in .223 floats my boat. They may be nice rifles but they are a bit boring.

      • Graham2

        The law regarding ‘expanding missiles’, (yes, that’s what they call them!) hasn’t actually been changed officially yet but it will fairly soon. If you’ve got ‘expanding’ on your ticket, you must have land to shoot quarry on. If you’re buying a 22 Hornet, what will you be using it for? I shoot foxes with mine and use 35 grain V Max bullets over 13.6 grains of Hodgdon Lil Gun. S&B did make FMJ loaded ammo but I’m not sure if they still do, as it’s really a vermin round.

        • HenryV

          I don’t shoot vermin just paer. I shoot rimfire. I have been looking at just getting a centre-fire on my ticket mostly just so I have got one and a bit of a change. I will troop it out to Minsterly and club shooting days up at Thorpe for some informal shooting. I was looking at .223 but all the modern rifles though good are a bit boring. I am not sure about an Enfield etc. I have seen HW 66 Jagd-Match in .22lr and they are nice. These are available in .22H. Not suitable for Thorpe but OK for Minsterly etc. S&B do make a FMJ round but it is sourcing. I can get Privi SP easily. I am not wedded to getting a .22H specifically. Just exploring an option. Even if it is more possible than probable. I will probably just get another interesting .22lr instead in the end.

    • jcitizen

      I was gonna say, that was the way I understood the situation in the UK..

  • Damn it feels good not to be a britbong.

    • Graham2

      britbong?

      • AHill

        4chan term for brits; slightly racist

        • Miguel Raton

          Because 4chan is for millennial nirds who don’t know “pommie” has been around since their grandfather was young.. ::)

        • Alex Agius

          “British people” are not a race.

          • AHill

            I never said it was racist towards Brits; it is linking them to African blacks and stereotypes about them and is rooted in racism towards blacks. You know the old saying about assuming right? (Not to mention poor reading comprehension)

          • mike

            Anglo Saxon is a race.
            Is Hispanic a race? Or African American?

  • Cahal

    The U.K. has at least three separate sets of laws in regard to firearms ownership, N.Ireland,Scotland, England and Wales. The laws differ in each, indeed different police forces in England and Wales have their own interpretations of the same regulations.

    • HenryV

      And don’t forget the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands where you can own handguns too.

      • The Forty ‘Twa

        They are Crown Dependencies and they fall outside the juridiction of any of the three UK legal systems by virtue of the fact that they are not part of the UK.

    • The Forty ‘Twa

      The differences between firearms law in E&W and Scotland are very limited (it is a devolved matter). There are certain offences which don’t exist in one jurisdiction but do in another and as we have our own legal system in Scotland there are differences in rules of evidence, procedure and so on which lead to differences in the application of the law but the legislative framework is nearly identical.

      The biggest differences relate to air weapons and that is a very recent development.

  • The Forty ‘Twa

    So why mention them on a post relating to the three legal systems in the UK? You’d only say “don’t forget the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands” in a discussion about UK firearms law if you weren’t aware they were part of the UK…

    • HenryV

      It is about extending and carrying the conversation on.

      • The Forty ‘Twa

        Might as well mention the firearms law in Outer Mongolia for all the relevance it has, anybody keen to chime in?

  • Andrew Fowler

    Kyphosis it isn’t a whole lot better in canaduh. I know a guy here that returned home to fing 2 thieves inside his house. One ran out and was stopped by the owners buddy while he entered his house. The owner went in and confronted a crook coming up from his basement stairs. The crook swung at him with something he had picked up. The owner hit the thief with a mop or broom to defend himself. The RCMP were called and when they got their and got the facts they charged the owner with assault. I didn’t hear what the final outcome was but I know he was hiring lawyers to defend himself. Just not right.

    • Baggy270

      RCMP couldn’t find their own ass. I was one for 35 years and I’m still looking….

      • Andrew Fowler

        Years ago I worked with a fellow that was a wannabe cop and rode evenings with the RCMP here. He told me one night they were at the detachment when a call came in about some shooting in Preston,which is a black community. He was all gunghoe to go when he was told to make a coffee and wait. The member at the time told him that when there was anything to do with gunfire they were to wait to respond then attend and clean up after the gun play was over. We are told to not pick up or use a weapon to protect our homes or families but to call the RCMP. If the story he told me was true then as far as I am concerned we have no protection and in cases like this the RCMP are useless. It is a terrible thing when a person can’t protect his home without the fear of being tossed in prison or worse…..losing what you have worked for all your life paying off lawyers to defend yourself. I am a senior now , as much as it would be nice to be young again I don’t think I would want to be young and starting over in this country. I won’t get into taxation here lol. It is out of control.

  • kyphe

    If you are in a rural area or somewhere difficult for the police to get to, with a long response time and where you can not retreat to a place of safety you are generally free to go and arm yourself with a firearm in advance of any confirmed threat due to your vulnerable position. That is the point I am making there based on actual cases of legitimate self defense shootings. My post was more to do with being arrested and charged rather than being convicted as UK law is notoriously complicated on the rules of self defense especially as you have rules under both common law and statuary law which sometimes overlap and other times conflict. As a rule in the UK if your action in relation to force raise the question of whether they were reasonable or not then it will be a jury matter. In most situations if your choice is to run and get a gun and end up shooting someone then you can reasonably expect to be prosecuted, not necessarily convicted though choosing to stand and fight in such a situation if retreat is an option is almost always classed as unreasonable. “It is
    both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself.
    It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is
    reasonably necessary.” Oh you are at liberty to kill to protect a third party under UK law.

  • Leveller

    I suspect it has more to do with almost 52 years of Dealings with the IRA (Irish Republican Army).

    • Mike

      Handguns can be owned in Northern Ireland. Different laws to England.

  • Chrome Dragon

    Man, a battery-assist lever sounds like it’d be really popular there.

  • Rocketman

    In Paraguay you can get a permanent resident license in about 3 to 6 months and once you have that you can purchase a firearm, rifle. pistol or shotgun in about a week by getting a firearms license. On top of that you can get a concealed carry permit in another week after that. That’s better than a lot of states in America! However they don’t allow any semi-auto rifles at all. They have to be bolt action, lever action or pump action. I’m thinking about a pump action Remington 7615 in .223 with 30 round mags.

  • glenn cheney

    OK, Erik. I’m baaacckk. I stand corrected Sir, in a previous borderline political post some weeks back, I was into it as I recall with super sleuth tracking the venerable legal pistol, exported to Europe from USA, I shot from the hip/ recall and estimated 1.875 millions firearms in G.B.
    Purpose now only to offer an actuarial justification for the decline in numbers of cert’s coming off the board.
    Gun clubs are the bulk of cert’s, basically an elite group and look to the back end…elderly cert holders are cashing out their chips, as in deceased. Not enough new affluence entering on the front end Imo, to offset the decline of affluence on the back end.