AR Versus AK Accuracy with Steel Cased Ammo

In this episode of TFBTV, James responds to comments to his AK Inaccuracy Mythbuster video calling for a true-er AR versus AK faceoff. In this video, James compares a Russian Saiga SGL-21 to an FN M4 in .223/5.56mm, and the results may surprise you. Both guns are shot from 100 yards out of a Caldwell Lead Sled Dual Frame model, using 124gr 7.62×39 Wolf in the AK, and 55gr .223 Wolf in the M4. Five rounds of five shot groups were fired, and the best group was used for the video. Check out this episode of TFBTV for the results!

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James Reeves

• NRA-licensed concealed weapons instructor, 2012-present
Maxim Magazine’s MAXIMum Warrior, 2011
• “Co-Director” [air quotes] of TFBTV
• Former Regional Sales Rep, Interstate Arms Corp., MA
• Champion, Key West Cinco De Mayo Taco Eating Competition
• GLOCK® Certified Pistol Operator, 2017-2022
• Lawyer
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  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Just came to verify shirt tightness.

    It checks out.

    • Brick

      Which shirt gets tighter? Cotton or 50/50 blend?

      LOL. Great vid as usual!

      • James Reeves

        50/50 off the rack, but you can throw a cotton shirt into a pot of near-boiling water and shrink a men’s medium to almost a child’s XL. #ProTips

    • Dougscamo

      Iksilol must be too busy to post a comment at the moment….can’t believe that you beat him….

      • iksnilol

        Look up/down 😉

        • Dougscamo

          Just did….LMAO…..

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Me neither, he must be drunk.

        • iksnilol

          I’m perfectly sober!

          Now, that is.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Im sorry to hear that.

          • iksnilol

            Thanks for your condolences, comrade.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I always hate to see a friend go sober.

    • .45

      *Insert headspacing joke here*

  • GD Ajax

    AR fanbois just can’t handle the fact that any rifle can be just as accurate or more so than the 1500 dollars they paid for Sub-MOA accuracy.

    • El Duderino

      No it just proves “garbage in, garbage out”.

      Go find me some precision 7.62×39 ammo, I’ll wait.

      • GD Ajax

        123g hornady
        IMR 4227
        Federal American Eagle 124 Grain Full Metal Jacket
        Sellier & Bellot 7.62×39 123 Grain FMJ(all S&B is match grade)
        Surplus Yugo ammo

        That was from a quick google search.

        A crutch like the AR just makes bad shooters think they can shoot well.

        • Jack

          “Crutch like the AR.”. That’s a gem. I’ll come to you with any future questions I have concerning firearms.

          • BearSlayer338

            It is true though just like how the lack of recoil on a .22 makes it so anyone can pick one up and hit the bullseye,same thing with the AR platform and its lack of recoil compared to other rifles.Does that make more sense to you now?

          • Bal256

            Anyone can pick up a .22 and hit a bullseye what does that even have to do with objective rifle accuracy? I’m sure you can hit a bullseye with an air soft rifle from one side of your basement to the next, but go ahead and take your .22lr and put it up in shooting competitions where people are bringing their 6.5 Creedmoor or .338 Lapua bolt guns. Both have more kick than a .223 or 7.62×39. If accuracy only depended on recoil you’d actually a point.

          • BearSlayer338

            Accuracy is largely based on recoil control,especially in semi-autos which we are talking about her not bolt actions. Unless you shoot exclusively from a bench press then recoil will effect your accuracy. Also some people actually practice double taps or larger controlled pares with semi-auto rifles ,in which case that additional recoil can and will effect your accuracy not the rifles. A good way to prove this is trying to do double taps as fast as you can at a man size target about 15-20 feet away do this with a 9mm and then a .22 pistol and you’ll see that the .22 groups will be smaller because the recoil didn’t effect your body.

          • iksnilol

            EEeh, 9mm vs .22 pistol is a horrible comparison to be honest. .22’s have fixed barrels which increase the accuracy a ton and most of them are a bit more precision oriented than a run of the mill SD pistol.

          • iksnilol

            You do know there’s sub-MOA .338 lapuas, and those kick a ton.

        • El Duderino

          American Eagle is precision ammo?

          I love S&B but I don’t know if it’s all “match” ammo…

          • FarmerB

            Personal experience. It isn’t.

        • iksnilol

          Just note: I upvoted you due to the list of good 7.62×39 ammo (though you did fail to mention modern production “Yugo” ammo that is Nato certified and isn’t corrosive).

  • iksnilol


    EDIT: regarding brass vs steel? What about handloads for AR and AK.?

    • James Reeves

      That’s where things could get unfair. The AR would definitely shine in that regard, because the AR is well-suited for a role as a precision rifle, whereas the AK is, of course, not. Especially in 7.62×39.
      Not to say I wouldn’t do this video, but I am more interested in comparing them in their traditional and intended roles, i.e., bullet hoses using production ammo.

      • iksnilol


        Just might be interesting to see what an AK with a decent barrel and lapua ammo can do 😛

  • Nashvone

    Brass case 7.62×39 ammo can be easily found. It’s certainly not cheap compared to the steel case stuff but it is out there.

  • John

    Yeah! FAMAS wins! Steel cased ammo for days! Booyah!

  • CommonSense23

    What was the worse group sizes?

  • Dougboffl

    So back on topic (not T-shirt size) – I would guess the origins of the AK-inaccuracy are from way back battlefield pickups. Those could have been ill maintained and/or had a bazillion round counts. Compared to M1, M14 or M16 they very likely would shoot worse. Also, back in the day, pre-precision used/rebuilt AK’s sold for <$500 and AR-types were approximately $1k but now the inverse is true. Arsenal's go for a grand or more and PSA & DelTon have AR-types for <$500. All that just to say get which ever you like or can afford. The 7.62×39-AK will be a little cheaper to shoot but a bit more limited in distance as the round drops.

  • BrandonAKsALot

    I really think an AK-74 vs M4 style AR would be a great showdown. I keep wanting to see what mine can do against each other, but I just haven’t had time. They are more similar and while you are tossing in multiple variable changes, it’s still an interesting comparison of standard issue. 7n6 out of the 74 and 855 out of the AR. I really feel like it would be tied up in that case with the potential of the 74 edging out the AR with standard issue ammo. 7n6 is some good stuff.

  • Richard

    If you’re looking for brass case 7.62×39 the Winchester stuff is sold in walmart.

  • BBrawler

    Let’s be honest, AR has few significant advantages that make it more accurate just like AK has few that make it more reliable. Generally AR ammo is of better quality, distance between rear and front sight is longer and standard sights on AR are better. For average shooter those few things provide enough advantage to claim that the AR is more accurate than AK.

  • Patriot Gunner

    There are so many other factors involved when determining quality ammunition, its not just “brass is better than steel”.