Germany’s HERA Arms work with LAN World for California legal rifle

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LAN World Inc. started over 13 years ago in Salt Lake City, Utah, as a provider of California compliant firearms.

I am certainly no expert on the California firearms legislation, but with new upcoming and stricter rules (sigh) LAN World have been working with HERA Arms in Germany for several months on a new design that will meet the new 2017 California laws.

The pictures show the California option, called HERA Arms CQR Stock.

There will be another version for other states, and according to rumors there will also a CQR front grip, with a very special design.

The design will allow for normal magazine drops.

The design will work with carbine buffer tubes.

There is no mentioning of available calibers yet, but .223 Remington is a safe bet.

HERA Arms also work with 9×19 mm and .300 Whisper. In fact, their 9 mm rifles look very nice, with dedicated 9 mm lowers.

Below: Note the subtle Magpul PMAG D60 in the picture, as well as HERA magazines. I have tried the HERA Arms magazines, and at least my rifles didn’t like them at all. The handguard looks very nice.

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Note the “HERA Gmbh” on the back of the CQR stock. GmbH stands for “Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung”, which is German for a “company with limited liability”.The HERA Arms safety stands out.

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The design reminds me a little bit of the H&K SL8.

(In fact, HERA Arms probably have the coolest SL8 accessories I’ve ever seen, almost wanting me to get one. However that design is pretty far from the pictures above, and makes the SL8 look more like the Magpul Masada rifle.)

HERA-SL8

HERA Arms SL8 conversion.

 

I know, nobody likes or prefers pistol grips that are integrated in the stock, but all in all I think the HERA Arms design is pretty successful.

What do you think of the design? Light the comments section up below with your input.

 

At the moment there is no pricing, and the parts are being setup for production.

LAN World’s webpage can be found here: http://www.lanworldinc.com

HERA Arms can be found here: http://www.hera-arms.com

LAN World is also the official California distributor for Beretta USA, Kahr Arms and Stag Arms.



Eric B

Ex-Arctic Ranger. Competitive practical shooter and hunter with an European focus. Always ready to increase my collection of modern semi-automatic firearms, optics and sound suppressors.


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  • Drew Coleman

    That is actually a pretty cool looking stock. Still dumb that someone has to create something like that in order to comply with the law, but it is neat.

    • 360_AD

      A company designing something to profit, first and foremost. While other companies exit the restricted markets, some see it as an opening for opportunity. It’s called capitalism.

      • CS

        We Know. We all know.

        • 360_AD

          Apparently Drew Coleman doesn’t. He named compliance as the motive.

          • JT303

            Actually, I don’t think he did, FWIW. ‘…create something like that in order to comply with the law…’ does not signal motive to me. It signals that a company has to do something it might not ordinarily do so that it isn’t in breach of the law, allowing its product to be sold in a region that it might not otherwise, thus allowing them to profit.

          • You seem to have completely missed his patently obvious point, which that it’s dumb for regulations to exist which force companies to jump through design hoops to keep their products legal.

          • 360_AD

            Well, that’s an obvious given. But, the laws are there, like it or not. Furthermore, this stock/rifle was designed to “skirt” those laws—as they are written—in order to fill a gap in the market, for profit.

    • Jaehaerys Targaryen

      Agreed, if that triangular section was open it would be a pretty cool thumbhole stock. Shame that the CA law sees thumbholes as some sort of death device.

    • Bill Kim

      You’re right, I do like the looks of the stock for sure. I wonder if there’s storage in there for parts or batteries?

  • iowaclass

    Looks dangerous. Cupping the handle like that sacrifices too much control over the pointing of the weapon. The ARES SCR is a much better approach — just configure a lower with a sporting stock that can accept the uppers.

    • Andrew Miller

      But this lower could be reconfigured if desired should the laws change, not be stuck “as is” like the Ares is.

      • S Levin

        I disagree Andrew. The laws are not going to change, And if you move to a free state you can cheaply swap ou the lower on an Ares to any ar15 lower, which is one of the cheapest parts to replace.

        I bought my two aers lower and BCG only and built it with my own choice of AR 15 upper, AR15 barrel, at 15 bolt, ar15 handguard, and use ar15 mags and optics all of which will work perfect on an AR with in the case of the scope mount changing those mounts to higher ones. and I will make quite a bit selling the SCR lower if I want.

    • 360_AD

      For run’n’gun maybe. Most shooters in CA are 100 yard bench shooters. Also, how is the Ares better with it’s non-standard BCG and buffer assembly? “Different” and “better” are two different things.

      • iowaclass

        If you are trying to discriminate between targets in a fighting situation, this deliberately anti-ergonomic design is less safe/more dangerous.

        • iksnilol

          Bandsaw the plate out.

          BOOM

          Thumbhole stock.

          • Cymond

            Yeah, but that’s illegal in CA, which defeats the entire purpose of this stock.

    • iksnilol

      Works just fine, I think you’re overthinking it.

      • Squirreltakular

        I have no idea what these people are talking about. I just went and grabbed my AR with a “false grip” like this, and I had no problem manipulating it. If I had to hold it in my shoulder with one hand, it would be annoying and kind of painful, but I could still do it.

    • Ken

      It also has the downside of making it a bit difficult to pull the stock into your shoulder with your shooting hand. I can see that being a problem if shooting a precision AR off a bipod. Perhaps some finger grooves could help with that?

    • Squirreltakular

      But you point the weapon with your off hand…

    • Harry’s Holsters

      This guns is going to be more for looks. I too would go with the ARES SCR. I almost want one and I live in a free state! haha

    • GearHeadTony

      Those Stangskyting guys don’t seem to have a problem with that kind of grip. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/37111e5c102f73cb9efe24139675a3444a5263718bd76b710f77467811adfe66.jpg

      • iksnilol

        Yeah, but we’re pros. I mean, these scrubs need semi-autos to shoot fast.

  • xebat

    German here, i was dumbfounded when i found out that we had a company that actually produces AR-15 rifles and upgrades right here in Germany.

    • SP mclaughlin

      I’ve learned about a lot of European AR15 manufacturers on this blog over a while.

    • Kronos007

      There are several German companies that produce AR-15: Hera Arms, Schmeisser, Sig Sauer, Oberland Arms, Heckler & Koch, Haenel, DAR

  • Mike N.

    I don’t live in a ban state but I’m interested in the stock because it looks like a good alternative to a Magpul PRS with a traditional pistol grip.

  • Blake

    Can anyone please explain exactly what is changing in California? There is a lot of misinformation spreading around. They sought out to ban the bullet button, but if my rifle is already using one can I still use it? Does this mean that if I register my AR as an assault weapon I can use a normal magazine release? What other changes are being made?

    • 360_AD

      Bullet button loophole gone. As of 1/1/2017 semi-auto rifles with assault rifle features (as defined by CA DOJ) can no longer be sold. Owners of such rifles have two options: go featureless (still a legal loophole, so far) or register their rifles with the CA DOJ as an assault rifle. Once registered, I do not know if a rifle can be sold or transferred from one citizen to another. Lots of details still pending, including the registration process.

      What HERA and LAN have done here is a “featureless build”: no pistol grip, 10 round magazine and no flash hider (even though it looks like a A2 birdcage in the pictures).

      • Blake

        Thanks so much for the clarification. So my sister is wanting to at least register a lower in order to get in on this. If she buys/registers a lower right now (as in before 1/1/2017) will she be able to register it as an AW? Or will she be stuck using a BBR/featureless? What about a lower I already have registered? Can I transfer it to her before 1/1/2017 and enable her to register as an AW?

    • quasiXBL

      Your options are:

      * Register as an AW. This will allow you to retain the “evil” features like normal magazine release, flash hiders, pistol grips, and telescoping stocks.

      * Go featureless. Fixed (non-telescoping) stock, no flash hider, no pistol grip. (Kydex wrap, Monsterman grips and the like satisfy the “no pistol grip” requirement.) This allows you to retain the normal magazine release as well.

      * Use products like ARMagLock, Bullet Button Reloaded to satisfy the law’s definition of a fixed-magazine design, which requires separation of the upper and lower in order to release the magazine.

      * Non-compliance.

      • Blake

        Thanks so much for the clarification. So my sister is wanting to at least register a lower in order to get in on this. If she buys/registers a lower right now (as in before 1/1/2017) will she be able to register it as an AW? Or will she be stuck using a BBR/featureless? What about a lower I already have registered? Can I transfer it to her before 1/1/2017 and enable her to register as an assault weapon?

        • Scott Wagner

          Assume that she has to be in possession of it prior to 1/1/17, which means pickup after her 10 day wait by 12/31/16

        • gunsandrockets

          Your absolute deadline is 12-21-2016, because of the Commiefornia 10 day waiting period.

          And taking into consideration that dealers are likely to be swamped after the coronation of Her Majesty HRCrook on 11-8-2016, you’d best get your paperwork in a few days earlier than the final deadline.

  • Edeco

    Nice lines, not that I’m in the market but will they make it without the panel in the thumb hole? Can that be cut out?

    • DrewN

      Look at the hex screws surrounding it. It can probably be completely removed.

      • Edeco

        I would think it would be easier to make that way, with the panel separate. But do they then fuse it, or would there be a problematic gap without it?

      • S Levin

        constructive possession (felony) if it can be readily removed

  • Scott Wagner

    Looks uncomfortable as hell.

    • Joseph Goins

      I’ve handled a prototype, and it is not that bad. Of course, I’m happy to live a free state where I don’t have to deal with things like this.

      • Scott Wagner

        I’ve run a similar setup in the past (Since I’m *not* in a free state), and while at first it doesn’t seem that bad, after about 15 minutes you realize you really can’t feel your thumb anymore, and if you can, it’s made out of pain.

  • iksnilol

    Looks like a rail gun, I’d shorten the barrel and add a cookie cutter comp that fits flush with the rail.

  • William Elliott

    Saw a “non CA” version without the thumb hole block and the foregrip on an SBR…hope it is as comfortable as it looks

  • Andrew Benghazi

    If the material covering the “thumb hole” part of the stock was made of something very durable yet very flexible, a proper grip could be achieved.

    • wetcorps

      And you could use your stock for contraception.

  • Anthony

    Niw Californians are feeling the pain we had in new york for years dont worry we feel every last bit of pain you guys have i cant even take advantage of sweet ammo deals online anymore living in new yorkistan

  • Anomanom

    Am i the only one who thinks that stock (and rifle) look slick as hell? I want that.

    • John

      It does look pretty cyberpunk.

      Take that same triangle shape, attach a part in front of the magwell or on the barrel as a foregrip, and it might look pretty sweet.

    • Russ Kell

      Not at all. I know it is silly, but if it does not cost a fortune I’ll pick one up and I live in a (currently) free state.

      • Anonymoose

        Get the unblocked version with the P90 grip instead.

        • Russ Kell

          Not seeing that version on their site. Am I not looking hard enough or is it discontinued?

          • Anonymoose

            It’s brand new. It might not be for sale yet. An article about it came out this morning.

  • Anonymoose
  • Disarmed in CA

    I think California sucks re: firearm laws

  • Jim B

    Might as well get caught butt naked with the ugliest girl in town! Y’all fought too hard for weed and this is what you get! Hahahaha

    • iksnilol

      Looks like you need to mellow out, man.

      • Jim B

        I’m mellow just not high or buying a jacked up California approved rifle. I’m not laughing at the people, I’m laughing at the incredibly ignorant politicians that believe they have the right to destroy our 2nd A!

  • Charlie Victor Alpha

    Wow, that stock is sweet, or at least it will be once that thumbhole plate is removed for the free states.

  • Richard

    It looks like something that you would see in call of duty: future whatever

  • wetcorps

    So how would you call that stock? Plugged thumbhole?

    • Gary Kirk

      Thumb-block??

      • BattleshipGrey

        It’s officially called “a thumb thing that doesn’t go up.”

        • iksnilol

          But your thumb does indeed go up.

          • BattleshipGrey

            LOL, but the “thing” doesn’t.

          • iksnilol

            I don’t know, maybe you should check with your medical consultant if your “thing” doesn’t go up.

  • Blake

    She’s not intent on registering ASAP, just wants to make sure she already has the rifle registered in case CA decides that only grandfathered rifles can be registered as AW. So can a rifle even purchased after 1/1 be registered as an AW?

    • 360_AD

      Cannot purchase such rifles after 1/1. All rifles that meet CA DOJ definition of assault rifle will not be legal for sale, period. That’s why I said it’d be easier to buy a complete (or even basic) AR now. That way you get a lower along with everything else… since it is not clear how stripped lowers will be treated by the law when the time comes.

      • Blake

        Does it sound like we’re going to be forced to choose whether to register or not right away? Because if not, then they’ll never know whether that registered AR was just a lower or a fully built rifle on 1/1. If we are going to have to choose right away I have enough parts to loan her to fully build out the rifle so she can get it handled. Thanks for all the help man.

    • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

      You have to own the firearm BEFORE Jan. 1, 2017 to be able to register it as an assault weapon.

      So yes, she should buy a lower right now.

      If she just wants a compliant gun and doesn’t want to bother with registering an AW, then nothing changes going forward regarding the sale of lowers. She can buy a lower after Jan 1 2017, just can’t register it as an AW. If she does that, then she’ll have to build the gun into a compliant configuration so featureless or with one of the new “bullet buttons”.

      The only real upside to registering is that if you buy the lower now it’s ALREADY registered, so registering next year as an AW doesn’t really change anything and you’ll be able to build a normal free-state AR15, meaning regular magazine release is allowed.

      • Blake

        If only they allowed normal magazine capacities for registered “assault weapons” I wouldn’t mind living here so much haha.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    Slightly off topic from the stock, but relevant to Commiefornia:

    Is it legal to have a “10 round .458 SOCOM magazine” in those parts?

  • jerry young

    Instead how about the rest of America works to transform California back to the way the rest of us are where we can have normal guns that are built the way the were designed not made compliant to California’s liberal rule

  • Joe

    Where can we see a pic with a 9mm AR?

  • Phillip Shen

    I have to admit, it looks nice. I wouldn’t mind having a stock like this, though I already incorporate a grip fin, so no need really.

    Side note. I was at a gun store asking about the upcoming year and the new redefinitions which would affect MSRs. The gun store owner told me it looked grim, as most manufacturers haven’t got on board with creating new compliant guns. Last time around the bullet button was a semi-fix, but I guess since it was so easily legislated to oblivion as it was this summer, manufacturers are hesitant to adopt the bullet button v2 as a fix. I can’t really blame them, as who knows what would happen in two or three years if the legislature decides to once again redefine assault weapons laws to ban even that kind of work-around. This would include producing featureless rifles.

    I asked the owner what about doing their own modifications to make featureless rifles, and I guess because of some liability reasons, or maybe legal, they can’t really do that (don’t know if it’s just their excuse). The best they could do is import rifles outside of California that have already been converted to featureless, and not many places are doing that. So after all is said and done, he thinks his business is finished as most of his sales has been in MSRs, and that gravy train will stop next year.

    If what he says is true, it’s a lot grimmer than I thought — it would seem that the only feasible way for Californians to get MSRs in the future is to build it themselves from lowers. Not everyone is prepared to do that (even if it’s easy as hell — I’ve done it). Well, who knows, maybe it’s just scare mongering that usually goes on in gun shops.

  • Blake

    Well yeah but 1 minute after that sale that lower could be a lower or could very well now be a full rifle.

  • SGT_B
  • SpartanGears

    This rifle may be califorized but it looks slick but (this may be an unpopular opinion) I just don’t dig the keymod

  • whamprod

    Well, ironically, it does make the rifle easier to shoot from the hip.🤔

  • NiteGoat

    No thanks. I chose to leave CA before these bullshit law take effect, rather than comply with their unconstitutionality.

  • Fireftr766

    Please pardon my ignorance, please help bring me up to speed on CA law…. their rational on “gripping an pistol grip on a rifle”. Can anyone try to shed some light on that please? I had NO idea this existed.

  • White Weezy

    The question I have is this:
    If I move out of California, am I able to cut that part out?
    Plus is the forward grip being considered the same as a vertical forward grip?