3 Profound Gun Truths You Can’t Handle

Gun Truths

When it comes to shooting firearms we can all be a little boastful at times. Whether its in our shooting prowess, rifle’s superb craftsmanship, or our vivid imaginations. Being a gun store manager, I come across all types of individuals and skill levels. Some people request to buy all the firearms they see in their video games. Others unassumingly believe that machine guns are abundantly available.

Why are they not in stock at Wal-Mart?

Some concepts are harder to grasp and are unspoken. Well, I am going to air out those ideas because too many people state them as facts when they really are a matter of opinion. Here are three profound gun truths.

“You can’t HANDLE the truth!” – Col. Nathan Jessup (Jack Nicholson) from A Few Good Men

You Can’t Out-Shoot your Firearm – I will preface this statement by saying 98% of people cannot out-shoot their own firearm. Hard to believe, but its true. Some people trade in firearms to their gun dealer proclaiming, “This thing is junk!” But for some reason the next guy that buys it thinks it is a wonder gun. If a gun from the factory can shoot 1 MOA, is not mechanically defective, and you’re unable to shoot 1 MOA, then its not the gun, its you. And you cannot blame the wind or the sun or your buddies laughing in the background. The gun is capable, but are you? Scary thought, I know. Sometimes it can be as simple as you need to try different ammo, practice more, or skip slamming 3 Red Bulls before you go zero it in.

I can swallow my ego and tell you that my first shot on my M1 Garand sucks every time. Why? Because I suck at shooting rifles chambered in .30-06 SPRG. Every shot after the first I simmer down, man up, and shoot well. I pride myself in saying I am good at shooting firearms, but I will also never say I shoot better than the firearm itself. I am still trying to get on that God-like level of shooting that people like Jerry Miculek frequent.

You cannot out-shoot your firearm… unless you are like Jerry Miculek.

Optics Matter more than the Gun – There is a beautiful truth in the statement: “You can’t hit what you can’t see.” I see a lot of older shooters be tight with their money on guns, but empty their wallets on optics. There is a reason for this. In their many years of shooting, they have learned something. You can take a cruddy rifle, put some good glass on it, and ring gongs all day long. Yes, expensive firearms do shoot better, but why is that? Did you put a Nightforce on that expensive rifle? Does your AR-15 have a Trijicon ACOG or an EO Tech with a magnifier? How well could you shoot with just the firearm? The accuracy from your shooting is undoubtedly derived from the firearm, but if you cannot see your target or need to use only your naked eye, life gets tough. I am not advocating buying a driftwood firearm and putting a Lamborghini optic on it. Instead, buy whatever firearm your heart desires and then do not short-change your choice in optics.

Optics matter.

Carrying a Gun is not Always going to be Comfortable, but it should Always be Comforting – You may have heard this cliche saying before, but surprise, surprise, its true. Many first-time concealed carry purchasers have an irrational idea that wearing a holster is… heavenly. I wish that were true. When you choose a firearm and holster, its a combination of compromise between convenience, comfort, and impactfulness. We all want a firearm with enough knockdown to protect ourselves. We all want it to be comfortable when we carry. We all want it to be convenient if the need to draw our sidearm were to arise. The fact of the matter is it may be uncomfortable to carry. On the flip side, it should be comforting knowing you are able to protect your life, the lives of your family, and those in your community around you.

Carrying a firearm may not be comfortable, but you should take solace in knowing that you can protect yourself.

Does anybody feel profoundly moved? About as much as when someone tries to sway you politically, I am sure. I hope you took these truths light-heartedly, and if you do not agree, hopefully you can see a different perspective.

Now back to figuring out why my pistol can’t shoot and its totally not my fault…

The outdoors, fitness and anything related to firearms are my passions. I am a S&W Armorer, Glock Armorer, reloader and am coping with an addiction to classic S&W and Colt revolvers (by buying more revolvers). I’ve been a guest writer for Sierra Bullets and love long walks to the gun range.


  • jonjon7465

    My pet peeve is people with no handgun training adjusting there sights after their first range visit. 99% chance that it’s you, not the sight.

    • Havok


    • Joseph Goins

      While it would be better for them to learn how to shoot appropriately, they can adjust their irons because they likely will shoot poorly on a consistent basis.

    • Sianmink


      • Garmanarnar


  • Major Tom

    I must contest the optics argument. If you can’t shoot with iron sights then optics aren’t going to really help you. Unlike in video games, most forms of iron sights are very functional and very open in sight picture or at least enough. (Plus they come pre-zeroed and are much more difficult to lose zero without abusing or breaking them.)

    Plus they require no batteries or special mounts or a lot of things that lead to Gun Fundus Depletus infections.

    Worst of all, if optics are so superior and iron sights so crude, why do we have people making and hitting nearly 900 meter shots with a factory Mosin-Nagant and irons?

    • codfilet

      Notice he mentioned “Older shooters”? wear bifocals, and try to see both the front and rear iron sights clearly.

    • Joseph Goins

      I respectfully dissent based on the accuracy and general supremacy of optics over irons:

      — Optics make the target easier to see for people with bad eyesight than iron sights.

      — Optics make the target easier to see at distance than iron sights. (This is also good for target discrimination and identification.)

      — Optics don’t cover up the target at distance like several front sight posts.

      — Optics compensate for the inherent inaccuracy of both shorter sight radii (AK-47) and longer radii (M16).

      — Optics are easier to use for new beginners than iron sights. They can learn the fundamentals (trigger squeeze, breathing control, etc.) and then add in the more complicated sight picture.

      — Optics are faster to use as close range than iron sights. This is why red dot sights have been adopted by military and police forces.

      — You equivocated “optic” with “electronic sight.” Sights that require batteries to function (namely red dot optics) are just a real minority of the total volume of optics available. Prism sights like the ACOG have etched reticles that are always present. Other sights accept batteries to illuminate a permanently present reticle. (Traditional hunting scopes are still the most popular optics sold across the world.)

      — You assumed that all [quality?] optics are expensive. My $200 prism sight from Primary Arms has served me well over four years and fifteen thousand rounds. It is the same cost as a real bombproof set of iron sights like the ones Troy. (I’ve had the cheap Magpul backup iron sights, and I was not impressed with their durability.)

      — If you can make a 900 yard shot with a Mosin-Nagant’s iron sights, how much further could you get hits with an optic?

      • Paul White

        agreed on the cost. Yes, you need to spend *some* money, but a couple to three hundred can buy generally more than adequate optics for most people and what they do. Don’t buy 100 dollar knock offs but it ain’t like you have to spend 600+ to get a pretty good scope

      • FarmerB

        You forgot a couple: optics put the recticle and target in the same focal plane. Impossible with irons.
        You cannot see bullet strike with iron sights. If you are on the target and have a pit crew to spot your shots, you’re good. Without it, you can bang away all day and have no idea where bullets are going unless you have a spotter with an optic.

        To take the Mosin analogy, if you are on known distance ranges, with known wind and athmosphere holdoffs, then you can perhaps do ok. But unless you have a spotter, if you are off target, it’s very hard to get on.

        • Joseph Goins

          You got me!

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      Okay, here’s my test for you to try at home. Search “900 yard Mosin shot” on youtube (pics/video or it didn’t happen). How many videos can you find where they use the irons? Search “900 yard shot” and find how many there are that use a telescopic sight.

      Irons are fine for certain things in certain situations. None of those times are long range shots when a telescopic optic is an option.

      Either that, or every single precision shooter in the world for the last century has been completely off base, and you are the second coming of John Moses Browning, here to save us from ourselves.

      • Porty1119

        Correct. I personally get great enjoyment shooting at longer ranges with irons, but optics are definitely more effective.

        There’s just something more satisfying about ringing steel at 200m with a .30-30 older than you are, with aperture sights and bullets you cast yourself, than doing same with an AR fitted with an ACOG. I’ve done both.

    • iksnilol

      Ummm… optics are definitely going to help.

      Sorry, but that’s reality.

      • Klaus Von Schmitto

        Dead on. For people like me who can’t see the front and back sights and the target at the same time it’s the ONLY option.

      • FarmerB

        Exactly. Iron sights and target can never be focused at the same time. Optics can do that.

  • TC

    Agree on number one, but not the optics comment. If you have a 3 MOA rifle, the best optic in the world is not going to make it group any tighter. A good optic, however, will allow you to shoot to the rifle’s potential. Another huge variable is the quality of the ammo. A rifle shooting 3MOA might tighten up to sub MOA with the right ammo.

    • Darkpr0

      If you have a 3MOA rifle with only irons, chances are you are very, very rarely going to get any 3MOA groups with it using only your eyes. Unless you have telescopic eyes. Then you would be a pretty cool dude.

    • M-dasher

      unless you are shooting some really janky ammo…..i highly doubt you are going to get sub MOA out of a 3moa gun just from changing ammo.

      • TC

        If you have a 3MOA rifle, the best ammo will shoot to 3MOA. Anything better than that would just be a statistical fluke. If you have a sub MOA rifle, the best ammo will shoot sub MOA. 4 things for tight groups, a skilled shooter that practices frequently, a good rifle, a good scope, and consistent ammo.

        • M-dasher

          yes….no kidding……

          i was replying to your “A rifle shooting 3MOA might tighten up to sub MOA with the right ammo.” comment.

          • TC

            You can get 3MOA out of a subMOA rifle, with poor ammo, but you are not going to get subMOA out of a 3MOA rifle no matter what ammo you use.

      • Ron

        What is a 3 MOA gun or for that matter a 1 MOA gun without ammo that gives them that potential? You can have the most precise gun built in the world and if you shoot the worst ammo in the world you will get worse precision than if you shoot an alright rifle and the most precise ammo in the world.

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      Tightening up a 3MoA gun to 1 MoA by changing ammo means you had a 1 MoA gun all along, and 3 MoA ammo.

    • Aaron E

      Ammunition does play a significant part in the accuracy of any firearm. I have found that some of the most precise firearms are even more picky about ammunition than the mass produced ones.

    • iksnilol

      A good optic will make a group tighter.

      Sure, not mechanically but don’t discount the human factor.

      • Bill

        It’s precision versus accuracy.

    • Bill

      It wont make the gun more accurate, but it will make it and the shooter more precise.

  • Drew Coleman

    On number 3 – a good belt, holster, and reasonable gun (ie not a desert eagle) can be perfectly comfortable to carry. I carry a full size M&P-9 every day, and it’s not uncomfortable to me in the slightest. I use an Alien Gear holster with an Old Faithful belt.

    • Anomanom

      Agreed, a even a USP45 can be carried comfortably all day in the right holster.

  • M-dasher

    “You cannot out-shoot your firearm… unless you are like Jerry Miculek.”

    …..let me tell you how i know youve never shot a precision rifle match in your life…….

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      I think he means practical shooting under circumstances where you might actually have to use a gun. You would be incredibly hard pressed to find yourself in a self defense situation where your threat is 600 yards away and you just happen to have terrain suitable for a prone shot or a good rest.

      It’s hard enough to set up a shot like that when hunting where you have much more control of the situation.

      • Tim Pearce

        Now I’m imagining someone 600 yards away calling me on a cell phone to try and tele-mug me. “Just you wait while I set up a shooting mat, sandbag rests, spotting scope, and check the wind! No, seriously, wait. I’m not ready yet.”

        • Joe

          Comedic Gold! Great mental picture.

        • Gary Kirk

          What do you mean they don’t make an acog for my g19

    • Sunshine_Shooter

      You know how he said 98% of people cannot out shoot their guns? The people who go to precision rifle matches are the 2%. You two agree, don’t fight over it.

    • iksnilol

      I find it goes more the other way. If you’re used to precision rifles then shooting something that isn’t a precision rifle you can outshoot it.

      • gusto

        I still can’t fathom how my brother can consistantly hit smaller things than the groups I shoot

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Sig P238 is pretty comfortable to carry. Its like a little piece of pretty jewelry you can shoot somebody with.

    • Harry’s Holsters

      I like to compare carrying a gun to wearing a watch. Feels a little weird when you first put it on but after wearing it daily I feel odd with out it. My watch is also almost a half pound!

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Your watch sounds like more of a pain than my gun.

        • Harry’s Holsters

          I still love it and feel naked without it!

        • Renegade

          The joke is on you; Harry’s watch is a gun.

      • Swarf

        Flava Flav? Is that you?

        • Harry’s Holsters

          My dad wears a Rolex Sea Dweller some of the time and that weighs more. Flava Flav’s watches must be over a pound!

      • Dougscamo

        Glad to hear that there are people that still wear watches….instead of looking at their cellphones…

        • Harry’s Holsters

          I have to admit half the time I still look at my phone! haha

          • Dougscamo


        • Mr Evilwrench

          I won’t be without a watch. I can just look at it and it tells me various things related to time, like the month, the day of the week, all those things I don’t keep track of. I have to do stuff to my phone just to get it to admit to what time it is, never mind all the other stuff.

    • alex waits

      Absolutely, but after a few mags of buffalo bore 100gr hardcast +p loads, I remember why I like a heavier gun.

      • gusto

        but how often do you fire a couple of mags in a SD situation?

        it is the same with hunting, my fathers 416taylor takes its toll when going to the range, when hunting you don’t notice it

    • Mr Evilwrench

      I have an IWB that fits *me* so well I can carry any 1911 variant from a Para P12 to a full size comfortably and as invisibly as I want. It’s so comfortable I can lay on that side and take a nap. I’ve actually done this.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    Taken me a year of consistent Dry Fire and planned live fire practice and I’m getting close to out shooting my glock 19. 30 minutes a day everyday. I’d say less than 1% of shooters can outshoot their gun.

    Next step a fitted barrel, comp and Flat trigger with a Rocket or Ranger connector.

    • FarmerB

      For pistol I’d definitely agree.

      • Harry’s Holsters

        Yeah I don’t have much experience with rifles especially from a precision standpoint.

        • Dougscamo

          Harry….you’re missing out on a lot of fun!….and more controversy about which rifle…..fill in the blank….which caliber….fill in the blank….which bullet…fill in the blank…is the best for precision shooting….
          Go to some long range shooting/hunting site and you will see that they argue just as stridently as some here….LOTSA FUN….

          • Harry’s Holsters

            My buddy builds his own precision rifles and has offered to build me one. I want to get into it but right now I don’t have the time or money to do it right.

          • Dougscamo

            10-4 on that….wish I had taken up whittling instead of shooting….

          • mbrd

            ditto that…

  • BillC

    Talks about “profound gun truths” and brings up “knockdown power”. Fail.

    • DIR911911 .

      what? obviously your reading comprehension is failing you.

      • Garmanarnar

        Section 3: “We all want a firearm with enough knockdown to protect ourselves.”

        • DIR911911 .

          that wasn’t specified or even elaborated on. but are you saying you don’t want to carry a gun with enough knock down power?

          • Garmanarnar

            Knock down power is not a real thing.

    • ScareBear

      There is no such thing as knockdown power.

    • billyoblivion

      Did something get edited out?

      • Garmanarnar

        Nope. Section 3: “We all want a firearm with enough knockdown to protect ourselves.”

        • DIR911911 .

          but its NOT one of the points being nade

          • Garmanarnar

            It may not be the title of the section but it undermines the argument by being in there.

    • John

      Well, actually, he is referring to the look of the gun. You know, when you see a gun so well made and so beautiful that it just “knocks you down”. Something like a Sig Tacops or a maybe a Glock that someone spend so much money on that it’s no longer a Glock.

      • Joseph Goins

        False. FrankenGlock is still a Glock. (Read: Expensive piece of crap is still a piece of crap.)

        • John

          NO! A Glock is not crap! Crap is useful as a fertilizer but a Glock will just pollute the dirt.

          Attn: All Glock fanboys, I am joking….mostly…

  • Black Dots
    • Big Daddy

      LOL…..very funny….so true though.

    • Ryan Snow

      Butt hurt 10mm fanboys incoming in 3…2…1

      • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

        Certified 10mm fanboy here. Not butthurt. The cartoon is 100% truth.

        That’s why REAL 10mm fanboys reload 🙂

    • nova3930

      So unfortunately true. Real 10mm is hella fun….

    • Core


    • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

      And that’s why the only solution for us 10mm shooters is to reload 🙂

      Longshot works wonders!

      • Chris

        .460 Rowland rocks with Longshot also !

    • n0truscotsman


    • John

      In the wasteland, .40 ballistics beats a board with a nail in it.

      • Black Dots

        True…BUT the board has a lower chance of exploding in your hands.

        • Dougscamo

          But, but…you could get a REALLY bad splinter….lol….

      • mbrd

        “someday they will build a board with a nail in it so big that they will destroy themselves!”

  • Holdfast_II

    Sometimes it’s that the gun doesn’t fit the person – it may be a fine gun but if the ergonomics are wrong for the person trying to shoot it, the results won’t be good. In that case you modify or replace the gun until it works. Unless it’s a military of other issued weapon, then you adapt as best you can.

    • Roy G Bunting

      And it helps if you don’t have to fight the gun. Heavy (10lb+) triggers, awkward sights, even heavy optics and mounts that change the balance of the gun can all make a gun hard to shoot.

      • Garmanarnar

        For you. Some people are more accustomed to heavy guns and shoot worse with lighter guns. It’s all about personal preference and what YOU train with and where your proficiency lies.

        • Roy G Bunting

          Agreed, and a heavy mount and optic on the right rifle can improve its handling.

          I put a heavy 1-4x in an AR style mount on a light little bolt carbine and the combination of weight and height over bore made it a terrible choice. I replaced it with a 1″ FX-3 Leopold in short rings and now the gun is a dream to handle and shoot.

    • Tim Pearce

      I’ve had that experience before. I bought a Glock 32, and I shot 4″ left with it, every shot. I could make acceptable sized groups with it, but they were 4″ left. I had a dozen other handguns that I shot on target with. To see if it was just me or just this gun, I also shot my brother’s Glock 26 and Glock 22. I was also 4″ left with them, every shot. My brother shot all three Glocks to point of aim.
      I concluded that I was, for whatever weird reason, incompatible with Glocks. Whatever it was, I’ve gotten it out of my system and the Glocks I now own shoot where I aim them.

  • Bub

    I been looking for a quality magnified optic for my AR and I can tell you good stuff is not cheap. I’m running Aimpoints now, but getting older and wanting a quality low power variable. Everything is basically north of $1000 and some of the stuff is real far north. So far what has my search shown me so far, the high priced stuff is better and sometimes a lot better.

    • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

      I checked out the Vortex Strike Eagle the other day and I think Ill be putting it on my M1A. My goal for an optic is to get as much magnification as I can while not losing much close range capability compared to a Red Dot. Its a 1-6x with a nice big illuminated reticle that is pretty easy to pick up quickly. Its going for $300 on Amazon right now.

      • Holdfast_II

        I have a Leupold 1.25-4x “patrol” scope that I like a lot. I recall it being about $450.

        If it was truly “money no object” I’d be all over an Elcan Specter variable power. I used to have an issue C79A, and once they worked out the teething problems, it was a great optic.

    • iksnilol

      If you run an aimpoint, just get a magnifier. 3x should might work out for ya.

  • JustAHologram

    There are some exceptions to that first one, like smooth bore black powder

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    In response to the general opposition to the second point:

    An appropriate, quality optic will outperform irons every time.

    Saying people shoot 1000yd matches with irons so they must be the best is like saying since people race Spec Miata, the 90s Miata must be the fastest sports car in the world.

    A person can learn to shoot JUST AS EFFECTIVELY with an optic not ever using irons once. Thats not something I would suggest to someone because I believe in a well rounded shooting education, but iron sight shooting is not something you cant learn to shoot without doing.

    I would guess a lot of the people who are vocal opponents to the 2nd point would also be the ones to say that the US Military should readopt the M1 Garand and 1911.

    • Joseph Goins

      A person can learn to shoot JUST AS EFFECTIVELY with an optic not ever using irons once. I fall in that category. I’ve never used iron sights (other than to sight them in) on an AR, but I can get repeated hits at 600 yards with my ACOG. Where did that skill come from? Being aware that the fundamentals of shooting exist regardless of what you look through when you aim.

      • FarmerB

        Try longer range iron-sight shooting without a spotter and/or target crew. Even with iron sights, you need an optic.

      • gusto

        yup me to, learned with scopes (except for shotgun but you don’t really aim with a shotgun anyway)
        part of the first who had reddots in the military in my country

        only later did I start shooting pistols, shooting pistol really elevated my rifle shooting, all my rifle shooting had prepared me little for pistolshooting.
        rifles and scopes are so forgiving. shotgun shooting is practically detramental for pistolshooting

        now I like shooting rifles with irons to but feel my eyes going

        lobbing 45/70 at 300 meters is fun (:

    • Marcus D.

      I am at that age where I can’t use irons past 15 yards because it is too hard to see the target well. I’d even upgrade my fixed 4x scope on my .22 rifle to a variable–if I had any ammo to shoot through it.

  • Big Daddy

    Honestly at this point I have seen a lot of guns off from the factory. Sights and other little issues. I find that adding a Lonewolf barrel helps my accuracy with a Glock, why? I think it’s the added weight at a certain place helps with my trigger control not the actual accuracy of the barrel. As for AR’s I tend to shoot better with certain barrels and triggers. Each person shoots better with a certain combination, great shooters can shoot anything and do well. How many shooters that good are there? I’m not, not close…..yet.

    Optics, so true, you can’t hit what you can’t see. Nothing to add. But just having a good gun and good optics is not enough, you need good consistent technique.

    I will not leave my house unarmed. Even if I have to remove it before I go into a doctor’s office. Which by the way is BS. I hear the same story when I inquire, oh a guy left it in the bathroom and a kid picked it up or almost did. I call BS on that. I’ve heard the same story in 4 doctor’s offices, maybe it was the same guy. Of course you can’t carry in the post office and if I can’t carry in a private establishment I don’t go there. I don’t expect anybody to protect me and I don’t want them to. Just arrest and jail the SOB after I take care of it.

    • Holdfast_II

      One thing adding an RDS to a pistol showed me was how not-steady I was. It just wasn’t apparent with irons, but watching the dot move around on the target at 25 yards made me re-think my stance, and also commit to more upper body exercise.

    • Tim Pearce

      Actually, it’s a step worse than that with denial of concealed carry. If those places make it obvious they refuse you your right of self-defense, those places become just a tad more dangerous, as those places are better targets for the crazies and criminals.
      The first step in self-defense is avoiding places you’re more likely to have to defend yourself.

  • USMC03Vet

    #2 should be, marksmanship fundamentals matter. Optics don’t make a better shooter.

    • Ron

      I know in the Marine Corps testing, that once a shooter learned the RCO their scores did go up on the KD/Table 1

    • iksnilol

      Yeah, but optics makes applying fundamentals easier. 😉

    • Dougscamo

      Agree with you for the most part; most especially fundamentals….until your eyes get to the point where you can no longer focus on the front sight…then you have to move to optics. Hell, to accurately shoot my pistols now, I have to wear reading glasses and rifles are out of the question with irons…so sad…

  • Roha Waha

    Gteat article, I was once in a gun shop and a guy called in to check for the availability of Galco leather holster for his $60.00 Saturday Night .380 The gunshop owner gave him a good cussing, and stated Galco did not make holsters for turds.

    • Paul White

      funny, but awful business sense

  • Spencer

    Having expensive gear doesn’t make you a better shooter. – The only thing that makes you a better shooter is practice and education.

    • Mrninjatoes

      …and really good gear. Put a $100 scope on that $3,000 Creedmoor and let me know what your groups look like at transonic range.

      • FarmerB

        I agree. Doesn’t matter how good a shooter you are if you cannot calculate the dopes or see the bullets strike. Gear matters to long range precision shooting.

    • iksnilol

      Eeeeh, I am a bit leery of absloutes like that.

      A crap gun with a good scope will most likely outshoot a good gun with a crap scope.

  • Swarf


  • Garmanarnar

    This is clickbait trash of the highest order. You should be ashamed.

  • Henry Reed

    I wish I could legally carry in California….

    • Black Dots

      You can…BUT it depends what county you live in. Some (e.g., Orange County) are much more lenient that others.

      • Henry Reed

        Santa Clara county is nearly impossible

        • Black Dots

          Bay Area? Yeah, you’re screwed. I wouldn’t be surprised if you requested an application and the Sherrif told you to just move to Alabama or something.

          • gunsandrockets

            As San Francisco is today, eventually the whole State will follow. It is just a matter of time.

          • Black Dots

            Sadly, I think you are right.

        • Joseph Goins

          Move. www . chairez . com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/California_CCW_Issuance_Map.png

  • Core

    I’ve had a few handguns and rifles that were so poorly made, I could without a doubt “out-shoot” them. Not going to argue this fact.

    I agree with the optics for the most part. I would say I can shoot just as well with a $200 dollar Nikon as I can with a $2000 dollar scope. The difference is the $2000 dollar optic will likely be passed to my grandchildren, and the $200 optic will probably be sitting in a box in pieces. I do agree if I was doing sniper work, a high end scope is absolutely required, and I would further argue that all high-end optics are not created equal when it comes to precision shooting. When I studied military and police sniping years ago, I read some of the world’s foremost restricted material, and there were limited options for precision optics.

    I’m sure today with Vortex, Leupold, NF, etc. there are more options today for precision shooters. But a decent scope does not need to cost a week or two of salary, or a month in some places in the world. For the average hunter, I would recommend a decent American made scope like Leupold, Burris, or Redfield. I also like Nikon, or any true Japanese made optics for hunting, they have good glass and seem to hold up. Anything Chinese makes me leary, the components just don’t seem to hold up to real field use. I believe if a company has good QC engineers working at the Chinese factories, it’s possible to make good Chinese optics. I’m not an expert on glass but I do know most Japanese scope manufacturers, the one or two left I know of use German glass.

    I disagree with the uncomfortable carry theory: I have a handmade IWB setup made by a skilled leather craftsman in Arizona and when I get the holster and mag holder mounted under my khakis (I buy extra two sizes up) and I use an American bull-hide belt, it’s really comfortable to carry a full size 1911 and two extra mags. I drove four hours with the setup on and I forgot I had the holster strapped on my hip. I have also worn the setup under a pair of khaki shorts with a tshirt and overshirt and you can’t tell I’m carrying at all. I have kydex and hybrid but nothing feels like a well made leather holster. I also have a hybrid leather holster made by a small local company and it’s fantastic for my compact 9mm and it’s nearly unnoticeable. I’m over 6 feet so results may vary, but you can always carry a smaller pistol.

  • iksnilol

    Eeeeh, I’ve experienced guns I’ve outshoot.

    But I’ve also experienced guns that are precise, but difficult to fire precisely (mainly due to being too lightweight and haviing a collapsed youth stock).

    • guest

      No such thing as “too lightweight”. If the gun feels uncontrollable then it’s you who can’t control it.

      Being a good shooter, or rather the hierarchy of properties of being a good shooter if one looks as the gun and the man wielding it is as follows:

      The stuff between the ears > physical strength/conditioning > gun

      exactly in that order.

      Until you get the first two right, there is no reason to blame the gun for anything, and waaaaaaaay too many people jump to conclusions in that regard and claim there’s something wrong with the gun. I know I did when I din’t know better.

      • iksnilol

        Is such a thing as too lightweight. For me it’s at about the 2kg mark. Not really about not being able to controll it, more like the gun geys more easily moved by wind, pulse or whatever. Even worse, it’s harder to notice the movement.

        • Dougscamo

          There you go with those darned metrics again….

      • De Facto

        There is indeed such a thing as too lightweight, for pistols and for rifles. Not every shooter is Jerry Miculek, not all of us can afford to practice with the regularity needed to learn accuracy and control of air weight .357’s etc. I’d rather have a heavier gun that isn’t going to penalize my accuracy as much when I’m not able to afford shooting every weekend.

        • guest

          Nope, wrong.
          If the “lightweight” gun kicks too hard, then chances are 9 to 10 that it’s shooter error that leads to poor precision as the shooter is literally afraid of the recoil which leads to either shaky hands or over-compensation of recoil. A very easy way to test it is to shoot for example 10 rounds, then dry fire and see if you unconsciously “dip” the gun down as if expecting recoil. A very simple way of solving it is shooting an even “lighter” gun, or one even more powerful.
          For example if a Glock 17 “kicks a lot”, you know, because of “that stupid lightweight frame” and all, shoot 100 rounds of .44 from a snubnosed revolver, preferably loads that are made specifically for snubnosed guns, like really, really fast burning powder.
          I can guarantee that after that when you pick up some innocent little 9mm gun it will feel like a .22.
          And mind you – in that very short period of time all what happened is that your hands, and most importantly your brain which perceives all that – got a “beating”. No actual increase in physical strength what so ever.

          Sorry but besides that and a few other tricks there is no shortcut and no way around being a proficient shooter, practice is an absolute requirement. If you deliberately chose a gun that is heavy to compensate for your own deficiencies – be they mental or physical, you are building yourself a trap, in a way a “gun safe space”. Ask “iksnilol” here and he will tell you how a Glock has a “wrong shape” which leads to poor precision and what not… same thing here with “lightweight guns” – if you compensate by choosing an “easy” gun to shoot with then instead of learning how to shoot the hard way you end up building a skyscraper made of technical crutches that is bound to collapse in the end.
          Kind of reminds me of the first rifle I owned which was a bolt action in 30-06; first shots I fired (like EVER, from a rifle) kicked the living s*** out of me. Ended up quitting after 25 shots and had a bruised shoulder. Then I decided buying one of those thick silicone recoil pads for the stock, seing how the rifle was just “too lightweight” and something just had to be done. Then years later I ditched the pad, because by that time I knew how to shoulder rifles correctly, and nothing bad happened. Could shoot it all day long no problem.

          So unless you are trying to shoot a .50 without a muzzle brake, or unless you are dystrophic, then it’s back to item number one in that hierarchy I listed: the stuff between the ears. Shooting or any other demanding activity of similar nature ALWAYS starts first with LEARNING and understanding the activity and mastering it to a certain level, after that comes the other factors that you use to tweak it with.

          • De Facto

            Nope, wrong.

            Iksnilol is correct on the point about glock “shape” and I’ve found that I’m far more accurate with other polymer wonder nines. Could I train around it to be as accurate with a Glock as I am with a VP9 or a CZP09? Sure. Do I want to waste the time and money? No.

            “There’s no substitute for training” – indeed. Alas for those of us in the real world who do not have the time or funds to train every weekend, a gun that’s forgiving is a good thing. We can’t all be operators operating operationally. While I am sure we all stand in awe of your prowess, as you are just a stranger on the internet dismissing the valid points others have made out of hand whilst preening like a peacock, have a nice day.

  • Ned Weatherby

    Some funny stuff there, since I’ve had two rifles I could outshoot. Both had defective barrels, and one was a brand new Browning A-Bolt. Had it re-barreled, and the barrel had been cross-threaded, and then just installed with JB-Weld or some other high-temp epoxy.

    The other was a Savage, which would shoot a minute and a half group, then a group with some off the paper. Spent time changing mounts, scopes, different loads, then took it to a gunsmith who had the same experience.

    My buddy had a Remington 700 in 7mm mag, the thing would shoot 10 inch groups all day long. I think most people can outshoot that. You could make it shoot if you seated bullets way out past where they would fit in the mag well, and shoot them single shot.

    There are, clearly, exceptions to the rule. BTW – a defect is often a reason a gun won’t shoot up to the standards of the shooter. Maybe that’s the issue with your pistol:) Can’t be you or me, right?:)

  • Billy Jack

    RE: Glass – Or get some friggin glasses/contacts. Just got some contacts after having good vision for 4 decades and squinting for a few years. They’re cheaper than an ACOG or Eotech and you don’t need your rifle to see down the street.

    • Paul White

      I do wear glasses; I’m correctable to about 20/25 (good enough to drive!). Still have a hell of a time with irons on a long gun.

      • Billy Jack

        I was good enough to drive without any help but my sight wasn’t good enough for iron sights. I know insurance and what exactly is bothering your peepers are factors but I have noticed a lot of folks who need eyecare in the shooting community are neglecting it. I read a review for a BUIS on Amazon the other day where the guy complained his eyes weren’t good enough to use it so it wasn’t a good product and he had people cheering on the review.

  • kingghidorah

    4. You CAN put too many accessories on a ar15.

  • guest

    Biggest myth is probably the “I need more guns because of xxxxxx!” myth.
    I don’t think most people can even afford to shoot enough on a regular basis to become so proficient that they can one day put the gun back into the safe and say “this thing has nothing more to offer”. Not talking Jerry Mickulek or Bob Munden level here, just really good. Most people will waste a lot of money they could have used to buy/reload ammo instead and just become at least 2x better with the gun(s) they already have.
    It’s very much like rich people who own very expensive bikes or cars – they own them for the sake of ownership, but on the track they’d lose to a worn-out Volvo if the guy driving it is a pro racer. And what’s the point in that then?

  • Bradley

    While I certainly get your point on the first one I think it is a concept people take too far. You often hear someone state that a weapon shoots better than they can so it is good enough. Both the best and the worst shooter on the world will shoot somewhat better with a more accurate weapon. If the gun has 1moa precision, and the shooter shoots within 1 moa, then you have a possible spread of 2 moa. If the gun shoots 3 moa with the same shooter you will have a 4 moa range of precision. It’s harder to explain than to think about, but hopefully the point is clear enough.

  • gunsandrockets

    Oh shooters CAN outshoot their guns because gun defects are real. I ran into this myself with a 2004 stainless steel Mini-14 that fired patterns almost as bad as buckshot from a shotgun. And I’m not a picky shooter either. All I wanted was something that shot as well as the Mini-14 I had back in 1978 (roughly 4 inches at 100 yards with PMC FMJ)

  • Heterograph

    As a writer you should learn the difference between its and it’s and then use them appropriately.

  • Oldtrader3

    The truth is like: How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice, practice, practice! That and good optics have yielded me the most improvement.

  • I like having guns that are better shots than I am. Gives me something to aspire to.

  • rick0857

    You can’t out shoot the gun? Apparently this dude has never fired a Hi-Point before! By that I mean I’m a way better shot than my friends Hi-Point pistol has tried to lead me to believe, especially when I follow up with my CZ-75

    • BigFED

      You can probably out shoot him using his Hi-Point!

  • Goody

    I can outshoot 2/4 of my rifles prone, these are not cheap rifles. Even in offhand shooting, 1 moa matters due to tolerance stacking. No Master grade silhouette shooter is using a 2 minute rifle, even though the targets are between 4 and 6 minutes. (rough measurement from my duplex reticles)

  • Dougscamo

    Just got back from another hunting trip….you got me….

  • Archie Montgomery

    Misconceptions One and Two are generally true. Most ‘gun problems’ can be cured by a shooter being competent – which includes maintenance, cleaning and ammunition selection.

    Misconception Three is exacerbated by those carrying weapons to have unrealistic expectations about clothing. One cannot carry a Desert Eagle (or a real full caliber pistol) wearing swim trunks, shower shoes and a tee shirt. At the very least, one needs a proper belt.

  • BigFED

    I worked for over 30 years at the local indoor shooting range and ABSOLUTELY agree with truth that almost no one can out shoot their gun(s)!!! Of the THOUSANDS, tens of thousand of shooters we had use our range, few ever impressed me with the exception of how BAD they were! I am not an exceptional shot, but I almost always lead my department or agency qualification events. That did not mean that I was that good, it merely meant the others were that bad!

    At our range, we had to a least demonstrate the truth of that statement often. Shooter would complain about their gun, we would take it and fire three shot and 95 out of 100 times, show that is wasn’t the gun!!! My old saying is “There are those people that can shoot no matter how bad the gun and there are those that can’t shoot no matter how good the gun!!!

    FWIW, I “interned” at the USAA Marksmanship unit at Fort Benning WAY back in the early 1960’s and was honored to see some of the BEST shooters in the WORLD, like R. O. Thompson, Bill Blankeship shoot. The one match that I remember most was the CISM (Confederation International Sport Militaire) where shooters from all over the world took part. Not only were the shooters varied, but also their firearms. To me it was a once in a lifetime event!

  • cwolf

    Working in a gun shop can be a useful education.

    Some folks want to buy the popular gun they’ve seen in a movie or heard about. Yet they don’t have the hand strength to rack the slide or even load the mag. Worse, some may have a very difficult time understanding that dropping the mag doesn’t unload the gun (before you assume this is an IQ issue, I actually suspect it’s because about 40% of the population can’t visualize). Lesson Learned: One solution doesn’t fit all people.

    Then there are the folks who want the biggest, most powerful gun. These usually come back as trade-ins a few weeks later.

    Or the folks who want a gun and 6 bullets.

    Or the folks who want to put a gun in their purse or pocket with no holster.

    Or folks who see their gun selling new for $500 and want $500 for the trade-in.

    Away from the shop, folks get mad when I won’t hand them a loaded gun. Why? xx% automatically point at something and pull the trigger. It’s almost an uncontrollable reflex.

    And so it goes. 🙂

  • scaatylobo

    LOVE the thrid rule = its NOT supposed to be comfortable,but it is supposed to be COMFORTING.
    Having packed heat for almost 50 years,I will attest to that fact.
    IF your ever in one of “those” moments,you will fully grasp my point.
    Been there too often [ was an LEO,and lived in NYC for a good deal of time ] and I stand by that thought.