Team Sig Sauer is Disbanded

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In a surprising move, Sig Sauer has quietly discontinued their formal shooting team. Disbanded about a week ago, the “Grey Shirts” team was notified privately and word got out through various social media outlets including a rather moving post by one Eric Wise:

I just wanted to say how disappointed I was to hear tonight that you’ve disbanded Team Sig. For a while now Sig has been represented by a group who weren’t just good shooters, but who really, genuinely seemed to be good people. I’ve squadded with Team Sig shooters and have found them to be incredibly knowledgeable and helpful, both during the match and after the shooting was over.

Putting together the team that you did, with shooters ranging in ability from “really good” to “seemingly super human”, sent a message to the shooting community that Sig wasn’t just interested in national titles or big names but really wanted to take an interest in the sport itself-at all levels.

I know that in today’s economy Sig was probably putting out a lot of money to support their shooters, but I think the greater loss will be felt by the sport after this decision.

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As of the time of this writing, the Team Sig Sauer website has been shuttered and the Facebook page is now redirecting to the main Sig Sauer page. In fact, nearly any digital trace of the team has been erased. It is highly likely that Sig made a financially motivated decision in relation to the success of various platforms and the fact that competitive shooting is incredibly expensive. Still, its perplexing to see such a a sudden move as one can easily find a balance between expense and return.

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According to a thread on Brian Enos (a competitive shooter’s forum), individual endorsement deals such as those for Lena Miculek will continue per the terms of their respective agreements.



Nathan S.

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

Nathan can be reached at Nathan.S@TheFirearmBlog.com

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • TheNotoriousIUD

    PED’s

    • ArkhamInmate

      You sir, won the interwebs for this round.

    • Any details?

  • thedonn007

    Seems like a strange decision.

  • tony

    cost, cost, cost…

  • iksnilol

    Even Team Sig gave up on trying to manage all the different variants.

  • billyoblivion

    I don’t have much of a dog in the fight either way with the team being disbanded, but it really, REALLY frosts my sphincter when companies go all minitrue and dump products or things like this down the memory hole.

    To shutter the website and facebook page immediately is asinine and speaks to a corporate culture that is rather toxic and I’m not sure I’d want to be associated with.

    Afterall, we’ve ALWAYS been at war with Eastasia. Or was it Eurasia.

    • Vitsaus

      Looking through a SIG catalog will tell you how toxic their corporate culture has become.

      • billyoblivion

        In what way?

        I have a Sig556 which I don’t have nearly as much trigger time as I’d like, but has run like a top every time I’ve run it, I have shot the P320, which was ok, but is too big for my wife’s hands (we were looking for a new gun for her).

        Since I’m mostly a “Plastic, striker fired” guy for pistols most of that line holds no interest for me–but that’s a matter of opinion and taste, and as such I don’t see it as an issue of “toxic culture”.

        • K-Gunner

          My interpretation of this is that Sig has turned into a big monster of a company and has lost its way. Look at all the multitude of variations they offer, including tribal patterns and diamond plate patterns on guns. It’s ridiculous. They take one model and figure out how many ways to squeeze the goodness out of it. Remember when it was just the P225, P226, P228, P229, P220, P232, and a few others? All in black or stainless? Now they’ve got these stupid variations of Scorpion and Nightmare and Tactical. It’s awful. Quite honestly, it’s what Kimber did. Take the same cat and skin it a hundred different ways. Quality control has gone down the toilet too. I’ve heard of more problems with Sigs in duty and recreational use than ever.
          All this gives insight into Sig’s motive. It’s no longer “to hell and back reliability”. Maybe it’s more a “profits to the bank over reliability” philosophy. I own several older Sigs and what is going on now is sad.

          • Tom Currie

            You knew Sig was headed down the profit-over-function path with the introduction of the Legion nonsense.

          • Have you handled a Legion series pistol?

            Yes the marketing is a little cheesy, but the Legion series pistol are probably the best out of the box SIG Classic series pistols. From the sights, to the grip, to the trigger it is setup how many of the more serious SIG shooters want their pistol.

          • Tom Currie

            I’ve never fired one, but yes I have handled one — that’s not the point — the point here is MARKETING decisions that show where the top management are heading. In the case of the Legion series – their engineers came up with some good ideas for small improvements in an already excellent design. Instead of simply implementing those improvements, management chose to package those small improvements together with a LOT of (as you put it) cheesy marketing to support a price difference that the improvements alone could not justify. The Legion series was not aimed at shooters, and certainly not aimed at professionals, it was aimed at deacons in the Church of the Holy Sig who could afford to buy a Legion version of their existing Sig so that the Legion pistol could sit in its fancy box in the safe while they continued to fire their ‘ordinary’ Sig. The folks you call “serious SIG shooters” already have all or most of those improvements on their competition guns — where do you suppose Sig’s engineers came up with the improvements from.

          • AirborneSoldier

            Do you guys even own newer Sigs?
            It is hard to run a profitable company today. I think they are doing rather well.

          • mitori

            Kimber and Sig have another thing in common; both were headed by Ron Cohen when the million sku’s started happening.

          • Kefefs

            People seem to forget this. SIG started heading the same way as Kimber for a reason. It was no coincidence that QC plummeted and they started focusing on quantity over quality.

          • GIJOENOKC

            I remember the good ole days of the “West German” produced P220, P225, P226, P228 & P230, date coded slides with match serial numbered sub assemblies and the “Zipper Back” magazines. it was all down hill from there.

        • Jeff S

          billyoblivion, good luck getting parts for the SIG556. SIG has pretty much blown off all its customers when it comes to that rifle. I have a 16″ and factory SBR – and no one has parts kits, anywhere. I have three SIG pistols, and considered myself a fan – but I’m done. Screw ’em.

          • billyoblivion

            Huh.

            Well, at least I have an AK for fall back. If I can’t find parts for that I can make some out of a beer can, some tin snips and a butane lighter.

        • GIJOENOKC

          You can tell when quality takes a dump too, like when Smith & Wesson quit building the pinned barrel, recessed cylinder magnum revolvers. Now look at the stuff their making. Hold a vintage revolver side by side with one the new ones. There’s a difference you can feel. Just as the quality is a far cry between the new Sigs are from the East German ones.

      • JDH

        Probably tied to the Clinton Foundation?

  • Gimmesomereal news

    Who cares!

    • TexTopCat

      All gun owners should care. All faces of gun ownership is under attack and every loss hurts us all.

  • J0shua

    Uh Oh, maybe some of the team sig members wound up at a team glock toga party and management is worried about some incriminating video showing up on the cyber. Hide your daughter’s gents.

  • John Baker

    So sad to hear that team SIG was disbanded. It is sad to see a great team of dedicated shooters not be able to show off SIG’s world class products in a competitive environment.

    • TexTopCat

      Maybe Glock or Ruger should add some people to their teams. Sig seems to have lost much of the government gravy train to Glock lately.

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        My thoughts as well. If all these high-level competitors are suddenly w/o sponsors, someone could step up and sign a some of them. Bad for Sig, but overall even for the shooters and good for whoever signs them next.

      • Patriot068

        Boycott Sig!! If you own a bunch then go to a gun shop and sell them!! And tell them exactly why!! SIG SCREWED IT’S CUSTOMERS!! NK N PARTS AVAILABLE , how soon before they don’t honor the u r warranty!! Also it’s in support of the SIG Team!!

  • Hercster

    If the decision was purely an economic one, it would be a surprise to me. The manner in which the Facebook pages were shutdown was very strange and smacked of intrigue. I have no idea of what the costs were for the team but I would think that it made a major contribution towards the marketing of the P320. Between match results and the contributions of Grayguns and the team members themselves, the interest in that platform sizzled. When team members and Bruce Gray himself, posted on the FB pages, I for one took immediate notice because of their individual and collective credibility. Some thing smells a little off.

    • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

      Smells of intrigue? Doesn’t it though.
      Otherwise it’s a non sequitur move.

    • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

      Doesn’t it though

  • Hudson

    The SIG executive who liked competitive shooting left the company?

    • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

      It seems that all the ones that like quality left too

  • Allan Segal

    A move worthy of……Hillary.

  • A Fascist Corgi

    RIP TSM.

  • Sasquatch

    Guess Lena might go back to pappa.

    • AJ

      If you read the blog it says at the end “According to a thread on Brian Enos (a competitive shooterโ€™s forum), individual endorsement deals such as those for Lena Miculek will continue per the terms of their respective agreements.”

      • Sasquatch

        Oh I read the blog my good sir. I was simply stating what might be happening after the “respective agreements.”

  • ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ‘Š

    Wouldn’t the term be DIS-BRAND-ED?

    • Tinklebell

      Ba-dum-tsss

    • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

      Plus 5

  • M1911

    I saw that and wondered about the back story.

    I’ve squadded with Mason Lane and run him as a safety officer. He is not just an outstanding shooter, but also a really nice young man.

  • AJ187

    This stuff has never been about “shooting sports” any. Nobody important cares….

  • Fargo007 .

    A bad, spastic and ultimately self destructive move.

    This is a self inflicted wound that they will be bleeding from for quite a while.

  • Sandy Reed

    As a former employee of the old Sigarms the management team was very solid. Aside from switching endlessly from direct sales to distribution it was a good company to work for. Then along came Ron Cohen(CEO)……a complete DH! Turned the company into his version of Kimber which is where he came from. Pistols in every color, size, caliber, and flavor. Mass merchandising at its best. The P series pistols or ‘Classic’ line was truly outstanding and the Master-shop X series were perfection. I competed with an X6 226 and X6 220, amazing pistols. Carried the P226(9mm) on duty in the military for many years without a single issue. Sad to see a fine old line company slip into the compost of time.

    • Paul Prochko

      Yup Sandy…that is what happens when you hire a CEO with a plan already implemented at another company… And that plan is also why I don’t buy Kimber. Copious quantities of models…but quality control…not so much… A bad idea for a company like Sig…in the all and all.

      • Jesse

        You are both 100% correct. Very sad to see a brand I loved go down the tubes. Kimbers are garbage, and he’s doing the same to Sig.

  • Robert Kruckman

    sig SUCKS!!! Thought that 25 years ago and still do

    • Rodney Jenkins

      Please explain…

  • Louis Bethel

    Unbelievable decision.
    They have stopped paying money to competitors for events that are not watched on TV, listened to on radio or attended by consumers.
    Yep, that’s crazy.

    • TexTopCat

      TV is now controlled by the PC crowd. Time to vote for Trump.

      • iksnilol

        Eh, can’t we rather go for armed insurrection? I mean, sounds safer than with Trump.

        • Tinklebell

          Voting for someone like Trump is insane. Basically, the choice is narrowed down to ebola, cancer or armed insurrection.

          • iksnilol

            Give a bottle of liquor and sign me up for the third option.

            -Is what I’d say if I lived in the US

          • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

            Which explains alot

          • Tinklebell

            Yes, there are other (and certainly better) options but most American voters are so thoroughly brainwashed by the two-party system that they’re mysteriously blind to third-party candidates. Instead of voting for one of the two-party candidates just to not vote for the other, people should vote for ANY third-party candidate in order to deprive republicans and democrats of their vote.

          • RA

            So you suggest voting for killary then?

          • Tinklebell

            Did I say that?

          • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

            Why yes, in an indirect way , you did. As someone who prides himself on his language skills, not quite sure how you missed it.

          • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

            And not voting for him give Hillary enough Supreme Court appointments to destroy the 2nd Ammendment.

          • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

            And not voting for him give Hillary enough Supreme Court appointments to destroy the 2nd Ammendment.

          • Tinklebell

            So third party then. Anyone but those two. It can’t be that hard to understand.

          • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

            You’re righteous tinkerbell, it should not be that hard to understand. It’s a binary race and you want to sit it out and cause the 2nd Ammendment to go bye bye. I myself have also aspired to the level of ignorance that you have attained but even with massive amounts of alcohol, I have been unable to reach the heights of ignorance that you have achieved. I am in awe of you. Against all the genetic coding that makes humans sentient beings, you have shown it to all be for naught.
            My compliments to you on your inability to understand the implications of your actions or inaction in this case.
            But then, I get the feeling you are not a Constitution kind of Tinkerbell. Too many hard words and concepts

          • Tinklebell

            So many words, so little substance…

          • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

            So you understand where you went wrong. Maybe there is hope for you yet. Usually when I engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed, like yourself, they never get it. They deflect their issues and self introspection upon the other party, but lack the ability to understand what they see is a reflection of themselves, not the other party. But in doing so, they find the truth about themselves.
            I am glad I was able to help you realize your shortcomings, Tinkerbell.
            There is still time to repent, Tinkerbell.
            But don’t forget redemption can not be obtained by lip service which may pleasure your peers for a short while, it doesn’t pleasure God. Good luck on the continued treatment of your mental health issues. Redemption is always on the menu.

            Here’s Tina’s original message, showing he gets what he is doing.
            Visit Tinklebell’s profile
            Tinklebell
            So many words, so little substance…
            5:17 a.m., Friday Oct. 14 | Other comments by Tinklebell

          • Georgiamule

            You are a really smart guy, right? Thanks for sharing your amazing intellectual grasp of the issues, we are all humbled in the presence of your magnificent wisdom.

          • Democrats: Just Lies & Hate

            Wet your bed much?

          • Tinklebell

            Was that some kind of attempt at being witty?

        • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

          Aren’t you a foreigner?
          I’ll take Trump

        • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

          Aren’t you a foreigner?
          I’ll take Trump

        • Democrats: Just Lies & Hate

          Just vote for Hillary, and we’re sure you’ll sleep sound.

      • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

        Trump 2016

    • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

      Dude, you may not follow this stuff but plenty do. And as far as the shiite that is Televised, well, I don’t watch golf, NASCAR, etc

  • Agent_Orange

    Sounds like Team Sig must have had evidence on Hillary.

    …Too soon?

  • John

    You have to realize it’s not about making the public happy or promoting safe gun sports. It’s about squeezing every penny you can to pay the stock holders, especially the top level execs. If they could make the guns out of cardboard and have them only last until the first rainfall without liability, they probably would.
    Once a company gets near the top of its game, some despicable executive makes the decision to sell out, and the company quickly produces as much garbage as they can for the highest profit margin, then that exec resigns in disgrace to retire on their own personal island in the Bahamas.

    Welcome to the new ‘Murica!

    • Joe

      SIG is a privately held company.

      • John

        Just because something is privately held doesn’t mean they won’t wind up holding your privates!

      • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

        It still has stock holders, it just isn’t listed on the exchange

    • iksnilol

      To be fair, you Gringos stole Sig from Germoney/Switzerland.

      SO NOW YOU KNOW HOW WE FELT WHEN YOU RUINED SIG!

      Yes, I am still bitter about it.

      • Dougscamo

        Wait a minute! I thought you from Norway?…..

        • iksnilol

          Yeah, but entire Europe felt “the worsening” of Sig.

          • comatus

            Norway is not in Europe. They’re above it.

          • iksnilol

            Oooh, literally ๐Ÿ˜›

            But yeah, it’s a part of Europe but not the EU (luckily).

      • RA

        “We” stole it? Explain who owned/owns the company being forced to sell or move the company to the US. FYI American citizens such as the ones on FTB did not dictate where SIG corporation operates it’s business.

        • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

          He’s a hater Dude and a product of socialist Norway

    • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

      Well said John

  • Ryan L

    Brand recognition pure and simple. I doubt Lena and Max are any less visible moving forward. It’s kind of a bummer, but numbers are numbers and if they aren’t getting enough exposure to justify the expense it’s getting cut.

  • Georgiamule

    I wonder if the decision was, in any way, related to pressure from the feds? Not pressure to disband the team, necessarily, but any sort of intervention or exercise of regulatory authority on the corporation that had a trickle down effect resulting in the disbanding. Look also at recent large stock purchases, or changes on the Board of Directors. The alleged toxic corporate culture may be more complex than just trying to increase the profit margin.

  • The Deplorable Boogur T. Wang

    A lot of good deals should be avaiable on TEAM SIG SAUER shooting apparel and accessories.

  • Kafir1911

    I am a Sig owner, P226, 227 among others. I am hearing and seeing that Sig is pricing themselves out of the everyday market. Yes, they make a good product but that price point is a bit high IMHO.

  • Patriot068

    This is EASY!! Support Team Taurus by NOT PURCHASING TAURUS ORODUCTS!! If you own one already then take it to a gun shop and TRADE IT JN!! FOR A DIFF F U REAR N! ! TH U S is j u st a ok recurs or in case Billary u s Elected POTUS and goes after guns which any MORON WATCHING HER KNOWS THAT’S ONE IF THE 1ST THINGS SHE’S GOING AFTER!

    • uisconfruzed

      Off the meds?

  • Patriot068

    I nominate! MARVIN the Martian !! And K-9 as VP

  • RA

    That’s not a good idea and exactly what killary’s team is hoping you will do. Split the vote and you give her a vote.
    If you want to continue to own your firearms you should rethink your logic.

  • Scott B

    It’s all good..now Lena Miculek can join the rest of her family at Team Smith & Wesson!!!

  • Rollin Shultz

    If you are upset and you want to take action a boycott is one thing and will help, but if we remember the wisdom of ages past, we know the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Go to the sig site and write to them saying the same things you are saying here. Just copy and paste your comments and post them in the contact form.
    Believe it or not it usually works for example when BPA in plastics became a health issue people wrote to Rubbermaid and they quickly released a line of BPA free containers. Similar things have happened with other companies. The bottom line is “Market Share” and all companies are sensitive to it.

  • Will Griffin

    I just can’t fathom a firearms manufacture would disband its shooting team. A pro shooting team is the simplest and most visible marketing tool. You can’t get a better brand ambassador then someone using the products and competition alongside the customers. Especially when they interact with the customer base at all types of events. I think there’s more to the story.

    And why all the hate towards Sigg for diversifying their product lines? You guys are upset that they offer their products in many different variants and colors? They wouldn’t be able to do it if people were not buying them!

  • Howard Cook

    It seems they have put business and the bottom line over connecting with shooters and building a sport that we can all enjoy. Corporate culture wins again. I get it but do not like it.

  • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

    And Give Hillary and the Liberals the Supreme Court. Yes, vote 3rd party and vote yourself out of the 2nd Ammendment. That is a great signal to send. It is true, you can’t fix stupid

  • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

    I’ll go with the lack of market to support a mfg. Which is what they want to do here

  • Laura Burgess
  • Biggiewood

    I had been looking at a new P238.

    Emphasis on had.

  • Democrats: Just Lies & Hate

    “just vote third party”?

    A vote for Hillary.

  • Franco Eldorado

    I’ve had an couple sigs and I’m not impressed. The mainstream guns are not any better than a Smith or Glock at what they were designed for. Buy 2 of those for one sig.

  • Gunner4guy

    You DO know that the Libertarian VP candidate was/is anti-2A? Also now both are more or less Shrillery’s minions, working to boost her appeal????

    • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

      These are not 2nd Ammendment supports you are arguing with. These are paid trolls trying to thought shape these issues and suppress vote turn out for Trump

  • TankGuy

    Gotta say, I’m disappointed. I’ve had SIG products off and on for a lot of years, and just recently acquired a 716 and 1911. As far as the “options” available, my 1911 is the Emperor Scorpion, and I am loving that gun. Quality is excellent, and the SIG military buyer program put a normally pretty expensive gun in my range. As a retiree, that range is pretty restricted, lol. My 716 Patrol is probably the best AR style rifle I’ve ever shot/handled, and I’ve carried one for work for many years. Just my .00002 cents worth….

  • Tinklebell

    Yes! I can’t believe you’re the only one who answered that. It demonstrates a certain “density” when I tell people not to vote for Trump and the knee-jerk reaction is to assume that I’m telling them to vote for Hillary. They didn’t even get the ebola and cancer analogy. I truly despair.

    • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

      It isn’t knee jerk, it is reality. So you despair that we have done attained the truly great heights of ignorance and lack of understanding simple concepts that you have?
      Tinkerbell, I am embarrassed for you because at your height of ignorance, you can’t be.

  • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

    Voting 3rd party is a good way to get Hillary elected and lose the 2nd Ammendment, the 1st Ammendment and all the others.
    Are you people not the same ones that supported the milk toast mormon turd, Romney and the Juan Carlos McCain, a member of the Keating 5 and an unindicted co-conspirator to the largest S&L scams up to that point in the 80s. But somehow you can’t vote for Trump?
    Non sequitur

  • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

    A signal that you support Hillary but just can’t pull the lever for her

  • Deplorable-Shocked&Amazed

    A signal that you support Hillary but just can’t pull the lever for her

  • J.E.Walker

    Is Sig in financial trouble again? It sure is starting to look that way.

  • Georgiamule

    Do any of you know if is Sig a publicly owned corporation? If yes, are any of you stockholders? If no, who is the owner?