Haiti Seizes Truck From Miami Full Of Weapons

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Not even a month has gone by since the recent weapons found and seized in Spain. Just last week, Haiti discovered a shipment of guns and ammo. While not as many as the one in Spain, it has been reported that Haiti customs in St. Marc found 117 guns, 116 boxes of ammunition (30,000 cartridges), 15 handcuffs, military uniforms, boots, cell phone chargers and other gear in a truck from Miami. Another website, HaitiLibre, detailed the seizure.

The finding minute reported a seizure, among others of : 150 12-gauge shotguns, 9 shotguns 12-gauge double-barrel, 5 rifles M 4,15 pairs of handcuffs, 10 pairs of boots, 50 boxes of 50 units of caliber 38 bullets, 4 boxes of 1,000 units 9mm bullets, 10 boxes of 250 units of caliber 12 bullets, 7 holsters, 50 boxes of 50 cartridges 380, 2 boxes of 250 bullets 12,7 caliber 5,56 mm chargers, 1 M14 charger, 12 uniforms (blue pants, black shirt), 5 tactical vests, 1 Glock 9 mm pistol BCB2761 and one charger…

 

From the photo it looks like DPMS Oracle AR-15s and DP12s.



Nicholas C

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  • Glock27

    Did kel-tec have a sale?

    • BattleshipGrey

      Looks more like DP12s.

    • Anonymoose

      That was my first thought, but on closer inspection those are DP12s, not KSGs

    • Porty1119

      If it were Kel-Tecs, I’d be halfway inclined to let the shipment proceed. They are the sort of weapon you’d wish upon your worst enemy…

      …although a crate of Gen1 R51s would be even better.

      • This reminds me of Hotel Rwanda where the supply store owner has the crates of machetes, bragging of the bulk sales cost he got the for.

  • Never expected to see the DP-12 in an international arms bust.

    • Giolli Joker

      Yep, that was my first thought!
      Gangsta style appeal?

      • Cqc?

        • It could be a preferable CQC weapon if 12 gauge is the most common domestically available cartridge.

          Many countries have 12 gauge as a more readily available “sporting cartridge” compared to 9mm/5.56/7.62.

          That’s the only reasoning I can think of for DP-12 being there.

    • DanGoodShot

      Agreed

    • d_grey

      Same point.

    • Sasquatch

      I was thinking the same thing. Also what is up with the funky colours on those dp12’s.

      • They ship with a clear plastic film over the receiver which you peel off before use.

        • Sasquatch

          Oh ok thanks

    • Tassiebush

      Maybe they thought they were importing adult films?

  • mikewest007

    Okay, who the hell needs this particular sort of uniforms, with blue trousers and black tops? Well, that and the numbers kinda don’t match: five tacvests, ten pairs of boots, twelve uniforms.

    • forrest1985

      My thoughts exactly!

    • iksnilol

      disguise?

      • mikewest007

        Why, well, yes, of course, but can’t those things be bought legally? It’s the “noodle implement” part of the shipment – inconspicuous in itself, but odd enough to make you wonder.

        • iksnilol

          I doubt you can buy a bunch of M4s and DP12s legally in Haiti.

          • mikewest007

            I meant the uniforms, boots and vests. Smuggling guns I can understand, clothes, not so much.

          • iksnilol

            Again, might be useful as a disguise for nefarious purposes The Ut√łya shooter in Norway dressed up as a police constable.

          • mikewest007

            Yeah, I get it, it’s a very specific set so I assumed outright it’d be used to impersonate some sort of officer for a nefarious purpose (back in the 90s the local organized crime hijacked trucks full of electronics by dressing up as cops and flagging the trucks), I just find it strange that they were smuggled in along with guns, despite being inconspicuous enough to go right through customs on their own with nobody being any wiser.
            Hell, I once mailed twelve Beryl mags to a guy in the Netherlands and nobody was bothered.

  • Graham2

    I wonder how much of that stuff actually made it down to the police station?

  • J Garcia Sampedro

    A curious mix there, a DP12 mixed with M4s and double-barrel shotguns, a bunch of hlosters, just one glock, .38 ammo but no revolver… I’ll assume that by “chargers” they mean magazines.
    Shipped to a gun-store trying to avoid import taxes? To a gang with “special needs”?

    • Giolli Joker

      I guess that the double barrel shotguns are actually the DP12s.
      There are apparently 9 in the photo as the count of double barrel shotguns.

      • J Garcia Sampedro

        That is one possibility, yes.
        But then, what type are the other shotguns mentioned?

        • Twilight sparkle

          Probably maverick 88’s to keep the price down.

    • Nicholas C

      I think chargers may mean mag loaders.

      • Sir Alec Douglas Home

        ‘Chargeur’ is French for magazine, so I’m assuming ‘charger’ was a simple slip by a native French speaking spokesperson who intended to mean magazine (Haiti being predominantly French speaking).

    • Ken

      Maybe someone’s coup kit?

  • Joseph Goins

    Sounds like someone is planning a revolution in Haiti again.

    • tts

      Probably some high tier gangster’s buy that got busted.

      Revolutions or coups there tend to involve either the average person who flat out can’t afford this stuff or local military/police people who aren’t going to buy or need weapons like this since they already have their own.

  • Ambassador Vader

    I wonder if the CIA will get a refund?

    • Core

      lol

    • zardoz711

      Why would the CIA use domestically produced weapons?
      Wouldn’t it be cheaper, easier to source and add to plausible deniability to use foreign made weapons or weapons sourced locally?

      • Ambassador Vader

        It was sarcasm but, they do use domestically sourced all the time. Look at all the footage of isis. Most of them aren’t running around with AK’s. Besides who does the CIA have to deny to? Name the last time any of them, excluding scapegoats, were head accountable for anything.

        • Warren Ellis

          ISIS doesn’t have a connection to the CIA. They’re a descendent of AQI, which was given help by the Syrians in the mid-2000s.

          AQ was sponsored by OBL who was wealthy enough that he didn’t need outside help. As for the Mujahadeen, the problem there was the CIA letting Pakistan’s ISI handle all the money flowing in to fund the fighters there, which allowed the ISI to pick which groups would get the most money.

          Also the CIA in Syria, I thought at least, was supporting one of the anti-ISIS, anti-Assad fundie groups, in connection with Saudi Arabia & Qatar while the DoD was supporting the secular FSA & SDF/Pershmerga?

          • Ambassador Vader

            Daesh was the product of the same strategy the CIA enacted during the cold war to create AQ, as well as the TB, to fight the russians. Russia supports Al-Assad, we support his dissidents which become Daesh in the power vacuum that was left after Afghanistan and Iraq. Daesh does the same thing that TB does and a 180 is needed and more aid is sent to the kurds who they worked with in Iraq. I remember sen. McCain crying we need aid to moderate Syrian rebels.

          • zardoz711

            you’re mixing up daesh ans the FSA, and to be honest it’s quite abit more complex than that.
            last count i heard, there were something like 30-40 different rebelling factions in syria.

  • Bill

    Most importantly, how’d somebody drive a truck from Miami to Haiti?

    Oh, and nice pink (no doubt counterfeit) Converses.

    • Giolli Joker

      I’m pretty sure they started their life red…

      • But how would that let them drive to Haiti???

      • Edeco

        I don’t find they last long enough to fade, the construction isn’t quite serious-business-grade.

    • Martin M

      You can drive a vehicle from Miami to Haiti by driving it onto a RORO, and back off again. This method is more cost effective and faster in areas like the Caribbean. Using a container is much more of a hassle.

      • Bill

        I think that this was actually a plot to smuggle a truck, and the guns are a distraction

        • Martin M

          How about that. Hidden in plain sight.

  • PK

    I said it before, I’ll say it again…

    Bad law such as unenforceable proclamations, arbitrary regulations, prohibited
    items based simply on what they are and not the use brings contempt on
    all law. This is a small portion of the resulting defiance.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Wanted for questioning…

    • Doug King

      Hmmm, need to look elsewhere; driver deceased….

  • LazyReader

    Whenever a gun reaches pop culture status it’s not surprising to find it in a weapons raid. The DP-12 will be in Hollywood movie sooner or later, probably decked out with some shell to make a futuristic assault rifle.

    • mikewest007

      Hey, Kanaduh already had Type 97B in their TV series. They love to rub it in your noses, don’t they.

  • Duane

    Part of the aid the Clinton’s were sending to Haiti.

  • couper

    looks like another bloody coup was about to start after more than two hundred years zero progress it is time for change time to switch gear enough is enough

  • Bob

    The heck?

    Oh, Tul Ammo. My food of choice for my AK. I’ve never had any trouble with it, but my father has had with it in his AR, so maybe not the best choice for the guns in picture.

    • Anonymoose

      I’ve had lots of problems with their brass-cased 9mm in the round carton. Not buying that crap again.

  • Henry Reed

    Can someone please explain to me how something like a DP-12 goes from the factory to an arms dealer? How is that not checked and balanced more?

    • JoshCalle

      A stooge with a clean record buys them, illegally gives them to his boss, boss ships them wherever, customs agents are probably paid off or just terrible at their jobs. It’s just straw purchasing and shipping.

      • Henry Reed

        So why can’t the guns be tracked back to the original stooge? Why isn’t there a system in place to trace the guns

        • Bill

          Because we don’t want an easily accessible record of firearms transactions to aid in criminal investigations, because, you know, the Constitution.

          • Henry Reed

            Yep, I have to agree that argument is pretty damn flawed. I certainly don’t have a problem with my firearm ownership being recorded if it means cartels don’t get truckloads.

          • Burt Maclin

            There is a system in place, and the original purchaser CAN be traced easily. I should know, I had a detective call me up after a gun I bought years ago and then subsequently sold ended up in a drug dealers house during a bust. They were easily able to look at the original ATF forms from the dealer and contact me.

            So quit with this “untraceable” bullcrap. I have seen more than a few posters on TFB more than once feigning ignorance about various procedures and claiming that they don’t want gun control, but then arguing for a system that is just that.

            And you know damn well that registration won’t stop cartels smuggling weapons. Stop. Just. Stop.

          • Bill

            “They were easily able to look at the original ATF forms from the dealer and contact me”

            Uh, “easily” involves a 63 year old clerk named Gladys in West VA pilfering thru bankers boxes of moldy records. Your pistol didn’t tell the detective were to start looking.

            No one claims that license plates stop organized auto theft rings. But they sure make it easy to identify the rightful owner when needed. Get real. Really.

          • Tassiebush

            Agreed there’s definitely a big difference between a record being kept and a registry or database.
            I live in a context where my firearms are registered and i have a gun licence. we don’t seem to have had any violent crimes solved by this measure thus far in my state as far as I am aware. Doubtless theft victims are identified and we don’t have the whole issue of people who may own firearms buying them for others because it’s obviously traceable. The biggest problem with our registry is it didn’t record who accessed it and we had a spate of firearm thefts that looked very much like the registry was being used as a resource by the thieves.

          • Twilight sparkle

            There is a record, ffl holders have an acquisition and disposition log of a firearms serial number and the original purchaser which the ATF has acess to along with the 4473 paperwork with the firearms caliber, manufacture/importer, and all other pertinent information on it. Anything more would be a registry which has proven in the past to be useless.

          • Tassiebush

            Canada and our smarter cousins in New Zealand have certainly found registration to be a waste of time and money. I certainly think in my local context it’s probably contributed to a whole lot of thefts by actual criminals as opposed to the benefit of them not being sold to unlicensed folk who most likely wouldn’t be a criminal anyway. I feel betrayed by my police department for failing to manage my details in a secure manner. Sorry a bit off topic just had to rant.

          • Bill

            Any society that has gotten to the point of using a registry of guns to confiscate them has bigger problems than just that. People claim that occurred in WW2 Germany and in the USSR, but I’ve never seen any documentation that there was a registration program in place. It seems to be one of those things that “everyone knows.”

            I don’t know, and I don’t think anyone has claimed that registration would reduce violent crime, and violent crime with firearms is rare enough that I wouldn’t expect many violent crimes to be solved directly by a gun registration program. All of our aircraft are registered, and it doesn’t prevent crashes, but makes identifying the aircraft possible and aids in identifying people who are misusing them.

            I don’t know the particulars of your registration program, but in the US our police computer systems have accountability programs that monitor their use. Cops are routinely disciplined, fired and/or criminally prosecuted for misuse. Running a hot girl’s license plate to get her name and address will get you canned and possibly criminally charged.

          • Tassiebush

            That’s good to hear about the accountability measures. I think our problem here was it was quickly implemented with a mentality that we’re the problem for owning guns but no thought for the security considerations of a large database. Gun theft is largely blamed on owners for having them.
            As far as use for confiscation it’s death by a thousand cuts rather than a single ban. Ban a class of firearm then obviously compliance rates will be higher if registered. All the same not having registration isn’t an insurmountable obstacle to a ban in of itself.

          • Edeco

            If I want to be identified I know where to find the popo.

          • DB

            There ya go, Burt, I’m with you!! Don’t let them lift the tent flap for a camel to get his nose in, directly you’re gonna have a camel in your tent!! In the 80’s I owned a pawnshop, sold a gun that was ordered and sold in a legal sale, buyer filled out the form we already have, and approximately 2-3 years ago BATF was contacting me wanting to know who bought it!! That’s over 25 years later!! We don’t need anymore than we got, don’t give up ANYTHING!! They’ll be back little by little for more!

          • jng1226

            Similar story here. A gun I had bought new and subsequently sold to a friend ended up in South America about 5 years later. I only know about that because of the ATF agent that rang my doorbell one day to ask me about it, as they were investigating an illegal exporting ring out of Miami, thay *may* have included my friend. The system they have now absolutely works, as long as it is enforced as it is laid out. But criminals make a living by skirting the legal system so where there’s a will there will always be a way.

  • Tin

    Free M4 or DP-12 with purchase of cell phone charger.

    • Richard

      If Apple offered that I would actually buy their cords instead of aftermarket ones

  • Disarmed in CA

    Vans full of weapons are like cockroaches. If you find one, there are many more slipping out in the cover of night. This is why ‘gun control’ does not now and never will work to stop the flow of arms from who have to who want. It didn’t work for alcohol, didn’t work for marijuana, and doesn’t work for firearms.

    • Pod

      Same deal with drugs. Here in Miami, the press gets all moist when LE intercepts a “million dollar” shipment. While the cops are tied up dealing with that, twenty times that amount sails on through to the streets.

  • El Duderino

    I think I saw this episode of Burn Notice. Bruce Campbell sucking down Barbancourt rum up in Petionville with some hot Creole ladies…

  • couper

    the bottom line is these people cannot be trusted more than two hundred years of corruption brutal dictatorship and bloody coups it is time for change it is time to switch gear too damn corrupt for too long enough is enough please don’t waste anymore time and the taxpayer’s dollar this is the last straw from now on things would have to change

  • Rugrash

    At least the ARs had chamber flags…you know…for the children.

  • Ratcraft

    What is amazing is they are all wearing shoes.

    • Lee Enfield

      After untold billions of dollars in aid over the years you’d hope they’d at least manage that.

  • Jeffersonian

    Eric Holder could not be reached for comment.

  • Core

    It’s not theft if it’s sanctioned..

  • 5pins

    How did a truck from Miami drive to Haiti? LOL

  • Sotto Voce

    Another variant of “Fast and Furious” to force US compliance with their new UN Arms Trade Treaty and justify a crack down on the Second Amendment..

  • Steve Spahr

    Why is this news worthy? Don’t Haitians need weapons to protect themselves as much as we do?

    • mikewest007

      Nah, those things are plinkers. They just wanted to shoot some ‘cans.
      Like, you know, Domini-cans.

      • Tassiebush

        No one would be questioning this if they were called Lovei rather than Haiti!

  • Southpaw89

    Those cant be real Kel-Tecs, there’s too many of them.

  • Blake

    They could really do some damage with those phone chargers if they connected them to Galaxy Note 7s…

    http://cdn.gsmarena.com/imgroot/news/16/09/note7-explode-imei/-344×215/gsmarena_001.jpg

  • Tassiebush

    Not good if they failed to look at the track record.
    I’m not familiar with that portal issue being Australian and all.

    • Pod

      Well basically, here in the US, an attempt was made to institute a universal government health insurance system. The compromise that was struck was basically that health insurance would be private, but mandatory.

      Yeah, it is what it sounds like. The government mandates you buy a product by a private company. The “portal” was a government-funded system on the web which basically grouped all the health insurance options into a “marketplace”. The system was overloaded and crashed numerous times on deployment.

      The company, CGI Federal, has a spotty track record at best. They made a useless long gun registry for the Canadians, and they made a barely-functioning health insurance portal for us Americans. Most citizens in this country just go straight to the companies. The portal isn’t used.

      • Tassiebush

        That sounds like the worst of both approaches merged into a profitable package for the insurance industry combined with the worst govt tendering practices.
        I can’t really find fault with our Medicare system. It’s just a case of paying the levy and it’s all pretty good. The only poor areas of our system is the occasional waiting list for elective surgery but if you bother with insurance that’s not a problem or if you pay for it in the private system. Most stuff is free or affordable.

        • Pod

          The “new” US system is no better than the supposedly-broken one it was meant to replace. Our president loves to brag that “Now almost everyone is insured…” – yeah dude, because you are using coercion to achieve that goal.

          • Tassiebush

            Yeah it sounds pretty nuts to me! Sounds like they’ve managed to achieve the worst of both using coercion of the state to buy a profit driven insurance product.