POTD: The Waitasaurus Rex Is Real!

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The Waitasaurus Rex has been floating around the internet for a couple of days now, but damn if it isn’t funny. As we all know, with the implementation of the new ATF rule 41F, wait times for NFA items are expected to increase to unprecedented levels. Right now the estimated form 1 e-form time is over six months, a wait time that hasn’t been seen in quite some time on e-forms. I expect it to shoot up to much higher levels once we near the end of the year as a result of all the last minute submissions. The extended wait time chaps my behind a bit; I should have expected as much, though. I was foolish and submitted five stamps in the months leading up to the new rule going into effect for convenience’s sake.

Some mad genius on the internet pulled up a graph from nfatracker.com and saw that the plot looked a whole lot like a dinosaur. The only logical thing to do was to finish the poor guy out! Either way, it is funnier than hell.

Are you going to be stuck somewhere in the long line for NFA items like me? Did you snag anything cool before the new rule went into effect?

If you know who created the Waitasaurus Rex, please let us know so that we can give proper kudos. After all, genius deserves recognition.



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  • ClintTorres

    Looks more like a Brontosaurus to me.

    • Bill

      Weren’t they the ones with a brain the size of a walnut?

      • QuadGMoto

        Are you sure you’re not confusing that with the average bureaucrat?

        • DB

          Suppose I was an IDIOT.
          Now Suppose I was a BUREAUCRAT…..but I repeat myself.

          • mbrd

            from “bureaucrates”, the greek god of taking your money and complicating things to a standstill.

      • AirborneSoldier

        Sounds like my Jack Russel

        • Matt Taylor

          I bet your Jack Russel could approve forms more efficiently than the ATF.

          • mbrd

            and be stoked to have a job, as well…

    • De Facto

      I think you mean Apatosaurus – the Brontosaurus received a fate similar to Pluto 😉

      • John Yossarian

        Courtesy of “The Flintstones”, the name “Brontosaurus” will live on forever.

      • JSmath

        Y’know, just recently some Brazilians published a paper begging to differ. And unlike Pluto, I’m willing to accept their arguments to the contrary of the majority.

      • Stanley Rabbid

        Actually Brontosaurus has been revived as of last year, as it was determined than its material was different enough from Apatosaurus to constitute it belonging to a separate genus. It pays to be on top of paleontological news.

      • AirborneSoldier

        And Uranus…

  • KestrelBike

    hahah love it. Wait, hate the NFA/ATF/my “elected” government.

    • HSR47

      Depending on your circumstances, it’s possible that BATFE could expedite your application.

  • Major Tom

    So what would be the meteor that kills off this dinosaur?

    • Gary Kirk

      The removal of suppressors from the nfa.. But I have a feeling that meteor will miss this planet by a long shot

      • Riley

        Not this one, this is for E Form 1’s (Make & Register a firearm). Form 1’s are only for homemade cans.

        • Cymond

          And didn’t they put an end to e-file Form 1s?
          I have 4 guns I want to SBR after we buy a house.

        • Gary Kirk

          Yes, but with the serious influx of all applications, of all types.. Everything gets slowed down.. And the seemingly largest influx of paperwork has been apps. for suppressors..

    • GaryOlson

      First an anatomical discussion of the vulnerable parts of the waitasaurus is required. Then a discussion of meteor calibers, geometries, and compositions has to be bandied about with reckless abandon. Next the trajectory thru the atmosphere modified by various temperature zones, windspeeds, and humidity factors relative to meteors — not rocks or any other naturally occurring material — has to be compared to other know meteor trajectories.

      Also, when is the legal hunting period with meteor for Waitasaurus Rex?

  • Justin Roney

    Of the Kingdom Government, Phylum DOJ, Class ATF, Order Bureaucracy, Family Paperwork, Genus Class 3.

    • Gary Kirk

      From the Latin.. Beenwaitingus foreverus

      • Gary Kirk

        Oh, Dammit.. Sorry, this is the fungus that grows upon us as we wait..

    • Billy Jack

      Sub Species Taurus Fecalis

  • Justin Roney

    Almost forgot, the Latin name is stampus delayeii.

  • Bill

    I know nothing about NFA stuff- the agency tells me what to do with it. Is this because of the change in process, or an increase in applications because of the change in the process?

    I read an interesting article last week about gun traces and the fact that they all have to be done manually, literally by hand going through individual 4473s, because the ATF is barred from digitizing records. Maybe we’ve been hoist on our own petard, to use a firearms analogy. Fear of a national digital database slows the ATF’s work to a near standstill.

    • hingedthinker

      “…shall not be infringed.” What else is there to discuss unless there is a CONCON?

    • aka_mythos

      The NFA registry is the only registry of ownership the ATF is permitted to maintain, the ban is against all other types of records that is why all that other work has to be done by hand. The fact that the NFA processing is still largely done by hand is the ATFs own internal policies that are in place to prevent corruption. They use to disallow their processing agents from even processing multiple Forms simultaneously for the same individual and that was also just a bureaucratic choice too.

      Beside processing volume induced delays the biggest delays come from the NICS background check where because the request is initiated by the ATF rather than a point of sale it is given a low priority by the FBI, since the point of sale request only has a 3 day window before is defaults to an affirmation on the sale. So the FBI is allowed to take its time and if their people are back logged ATF approvals get back logged.

    • De Facto

      The ATF was barred from creating a gun owner database for a reason. Not that tracking all these guns does much good, seeing as the overwhelming majority of felons use stolen weapons that sell for well below street value.

      • Bob

        Actually I understand they go for twice or more than gun shop prices, which probably makes them the most expensive thing your local hood rat will ever lay hands on.

        • De Facto

          Your statement prompted me to do a little research – thanks for that, I enjoy having my preconceived premises challenged. I’m including the links along with a tl;dr. I’m not trying to vomit information at you, just showing where I drew my conclusions from.

          Head of the ATF, and a couple of ATF agents discussing the guns criminals use & gun running.
          http://www.forbes . com/sites/frankminiter/2014/08/12/inside-the-black-market-for-guns/#4bdcb1bf42d6
          http://abcnews.go . com/US/hot-guns-fueling-crime-us-study/story?id=18318610

          This article is an interesting read (I definitely recommend reading the whole thing) and it’s where I was drawing my original low street price reference from.

          http://www.activeresponsetraining . net/criminals-and-the-guns-they-carry

          Given the poor shape some of those firearms were in, I’m assuming that explains the wild variance in street pricing. Sure, a criminal might pay $800 for a Gen 3 Glock in good shape, but for a snub nosed Taurus .38 revolver that rattles? Maybe not so much. If the guns I’ve seen at buybacks are any indicator, criminals are downright bad at caring for their weapons. Of course, those are the weapons they’re willing to actually trade in for cash, so maybe I just saw the ones that were destined for the landfill anyway.

          TL;DR – We’re both right. ATF says guns on the black market can be had for extremely cheap as well as extremely expensive.

          • Sigivald

            Most buyback guns aren’t sold by criminals, by all available evidence. (Some, but not much.)

            They’re mostly ordinary folk getting rid of unwanted guns, either because they inherited (one way or another, not always via death) a firearm they know nothing about and don’t like having around, or … because the gun is trash.

            A broken-down rustbucket or broken gun is almost always someone making a buck; it’s worthless to a legitimate gun dealer, but $100 from a buyback? Hell, yeah!

      • Bill

        A hypothetical reason. Police evidence room nationwide are crammed with recovered firearms that will never get back to their owners because it’s near impossible to identify them.

        If your guns are stolen are you going to give the serial numbers to the investigators for entry into NCIC as stolen property?

        • De Facto

          If there is no known current owner I would expect Police Departments to do the same rational thing they do with most evidence once they are no longer required to preserve it – auction, sell, or use the goods. If a gun owner doesn’t report the gun as stolen, said owner can’t really expect to get it back.

          Regarding your question, yes I would report my guns as stolen. I have a photos detailing the make, model, caliber, serial # and bill of sale for every gun I possess neatly filed, electronically and paper copies. In the event of being robbed I will report the loss to my insurance and to the police. Homeowners insurance will at least partially reimburse the loss, and the Police will hopefully return my property if it ever surfaces.

          • HSR47

            This.

            I don’t want my guns floating out there in the hands of violent criminals; I want them back in my possession. The only way to do that if they ever are stolen is to report the theft to the authorities.

            That said, while I don’t have any personal issue with reporting the theft of my property to the authorities, I have a problem with laws that force me to do it on a set timetable: Knowing where all your guns are, or even how many you actually own, is something that becomes highly impractical once the number of firearms you own gets much over 10-15. Add in multiple vehicles, and multiple properties (e.g. home, relative’s home/apartment, business, vacation home, hunting cabin, etc.), and it becomes effectively impossible to verify that a given piece of property is actually missing within the period set by most “lost and stolen” statutes.

      • datimes

        Can you think of any reason the ATF would comply with a data base law? I think it’s more likely than not there is a data base.

        • De Facto

          I agree, but heaven knows the ATF won’t use that to speed the NFA process. Can you imagine the ATF director going to his year end review with the current administration and touting decreased waiting times for NFA items as an accomplishment?

    • HSR47

      Title II/NFA paperwork, along with the NFRTR, are completely separate from tracing guns.

      The National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, or NFRTR, is the registry of NFA/Title II firearms. It is the ONLY federal registry of firearms/firearm owners that exists in compliance with current federal laws.

      On the other hand, when it comes to dealer records, they’re required to maintain their bound book, as well as their actual 4473 paperwork. The former they must always maintain in it’s complete form, while the latter they only have to maintain for a specific period (20 years for approved transfers, 10 years for denials). When an FFL ceases operation, the bound book and all paperwork within those windows must be sent to BATFE pretty much immediately. The tracing of firearms often involves going through these records, as well as querying active dealers in the chain of custody. The government has been prevented from digitizing these records in order to prevent them from being used to create a partial registry of guns and/or gun owners.

      History has shown that universal registration typically leads to targeted confiscation; While it wasn’t politically feasible to prevent them from getting the raw data, in 1986 we get a law passed (Firearm Owners Protection Act; FOPA) that has so far prevented them from doing anything especially nefarious with it.

      TLDR: The non-digital nature of the records involved in the firearm tracing system is not a bug, it’s a feature.

      • Bill

        Great explanation, though we may differ in our opinion of bugs versus features. I’m not certain that what’s happened in other societies directly translate to the USA in this century, nor are there many specifics on exactly what constituted universal registration and targeted confiscation in other places at other times.

        The .gov has done plenty of nefarious stuff, see the Tuskegee syphilis experiments for example, but seems to be remarkably bad at doing them, and constantly gets caught.

        • HSR47

          The simple point is that the only purpose of firearm registries is to facilitate confiscation. That’s not just in other countries and in other time periods: It’s quite literally happening in this country, and it’s happening today. California has a program whereby it’s list of registered gun owners is combed for “prohibited persons*” at which point they send men with guns to ensure that such “prohibited persons” no longer possess firearms.

          Worse, in this day and age of everything being electronic, firearm registries are at significant risk of being targeted by criminals; In this capacity, they become nothing more than a treasure map for criminals.

          *Something the left has been pushing and expanding here since at least 1968: People who have committed certain crimes, or who have been the subject of certain types of psychiatric treatments/diagnoses are automatically and permanently deprived of their right to bear arms without any specific case-by-case adjudication, and with effectively no way to ever get their rights back.

          • Bill

            No, confiscation isn’t the only purpose, any more than mass murder is the only purpose for an AR.

          • HSR47

            If you think there are other purposes for the registration of firearms and firearm owners, please elaborate as to what those alleged purposes are.

          • Bill

            Tracing ownership?

            Really guy, you’re car’s registered, your home is registered, if you have a Social Security number or vote you are registered.

            Claiming that registration = confiscation is the same flawed logic that claims there’s no use for a 30 round magazine other than mass murder. “Because something bad might happen” is neurotic.

          • HSR47

            I asked you to tell me what purpose the registration of firearms serves. Instead of doing that, you went on to list a whole bunch of other areas where the government forces people to register themselves and/or their property.

            Throwing up a red herring is not an answer to my question: What do you believe the purpose of firearm/gun owner registration is?

          • Bill

            To document the ownership trail of firearms and ascertain their legitimate ownership, just like restoring ANYTHING, be it a voter, deedor a drone, fulfills basically the same function; documenting the legitimacy of the possessor or user

            If you think the only purpose is some possible future evil, clearly you don’t want to acknowledge any other potential use. Don’t throw up a false dodge.

          • HSR47

            With voter registration, the purpose is to ensure that individuals don’t cast more than one vote. This is it’s only legitimate purpose. It has also been used for nefarious purposes: To facilitate the disenfranchisement of minority voters (poll taxes, literacy tests, etc.).

            That doesn’t apply to firearms unless you believe that the government should be able to implement a system by which each individual is only permitted to own a limited number of firearms.

            Again: What legitimate purpose does that serve with respect to firearms? If the end goal is not to facilitate confiscation, then what do you believe is the actual goal? How does registration actually accomplish that goal? Stop trying to make analogies to other things (cars, drones, planes, marriages, voting, etc.) and answer the question: What specific things do you believe are accomplished through the registration of firearms and/or firearm owners?

          • Bill

            Stop being obtuse – if you can’t see the practical applications of being able to positively ID any item, you don’t want too; it doesn’t fit with your narrative.

          • HSR47

            I asked a simple question: What do you believe the actual purpose is behind firearm/firearm owner registration schemes?

            You still haven’t given a concrete answer, but your last reply implies that you believe that “owner identification” is part of it. That ignores the fact that registries are notoriously full of incomplete and incorrect data — the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR), the only legal federal-level registry in the country, is notorious for it’s incomplete and missing data. That’s not hyperbole, it’s fact.

            Another good example of this is the now-defunct Canadian long gun registry: It was a massively expensive boondoggle that was full of errors, and it didn’t have any significant real-world police application.

            Registries are NEVER complete, and what they do contain is never 100% accurate. People don’t always comply initially. People move. People die — if grandpa dies and his decedents don’t find all his guns, they may sell his house with a stash still sitting in some secret spot in the attic or basement. That’s just a few of the multitude of ways that entropy can set in to destroy the usefulness of a registry. Your earlier comparison to vehicles and buildings ignores a key fact: Vehicles and houses are large, and therefore hard to conceal. Gun can generally be concealed effectively on or about an individual, which makes they extremely easy to move around, and to hide — it seems that every year or so the media is abuzz with news of a giant cache of undocumented firearms that has been found in a first-world western nation with allegedly strict gun-control: How many stories have you heard of firearms being found during home remodels in the UK? What about that doctor in Germany? The list goes on.

            This also ignores the fact that there is currently a process for the government to trace the chain of custody of specific firearms; It may not be perfect, but it’s a system that is at least as accurate as the type of registry you seem to favor would be, it has far more respect for the privacy of gun owners, and it is far cheaper to maintain. The problem with the current system is not antiquated technology, the problem is politicians forcing police to run traces on EVERY gun they come into contact with in order to try to overload the system and create “justification” for the creation of a federal registry.

          • Bill

            Oh, puhleeze, stop with the drama, Scarlett. Of course there are mistakes, in ALL databases. But if we can successfully issue, maintain and track:

            License Plates
            Elevator Inspection Certificates
            State Liquor Licenses
            Peddler’s Permits
            Dog Licenses
            Hairstylist Licenses
            Plumber Bonds
            Aircraft Registry Numbers
            DEA Pharmacy ID Numbers
            Ammonium Nitrate Sales Registries
            Massage Parlor Business Permits
            Scrap Metal Dealers
            Canoe Titles and Serial Numbers
            Building Permits for Garden Sheds
            And on and on ad infinitum…

            We can CERTAINLY attach a firearm serial number to an owner with an entirely acceptable level of accuracy. You know how many times I’ve run a VIN number and it’s come back wrong? How many have you found errors in?

            No politician has ever forced me, or anyone I know, to try to run a gun trace. They can’t make me. I have a gun. You’re right about one thing, the problem isn’t antiquated technology. It’s the complete ABSENCE of ANY technology, unless you count a freaking phone as tech, because you’ll spend hours on it trying to run down the life cycle of a firearm.

            I get it. You don’t want it. Your politicians and the NRA have convinced you it’s a bad thing and will lead to the downfall of civilization. Forcible sodomy will take place. Wolves will eat children. Yeah, of course. All you have is hyperbole: it can’t POSSIBLY work and The Man will get us all. It’s your fantasy. If your guns get ripped off and I stop the thieves a mile down the road for a traffic violation a mile down the road from your crib and find a wad of your guns before you get home from work and discover the break-in and report them stolen, sucks to be you. And no way you’d want me to record and document the firearms and serial numbers during a traffic stop, would you? That’d be an unwarranted government intrusion into the driver and his auto, and would sure look like I was hunting for illegally possessed firearms, like those jack-booted thugs you wet yourself over, right? No way you’d want me to be able to run the numbers, just like I run the plates, so I can try to sort out why John Doe has Bill Smith’s guns. That would be HORRIFYING, right?

  • John John Slade

    Awww….. that’s cute. Anyway, now i know why the Space Marine(warhammer 40k) name their heavy weapon Assault Cannon because the it’s Caliber is powerfull than Minigun Caliber and other similar to Mini gun(Gatling Gun and Micro gun etc.)

    • JSmath

      That and it physically resembles in size and appearance what most militaries would classify as a cannon (USAF’s GAU-‘s, excepting the GAU-5/CAR-15). It’s just a convenient part of the WH40k design that Space Marines are walking (demihuman) tanks.

      • John John Slade

        Yeah but i hope in Dawn of War 3 the Space Marine Terminator Assault Cannon will be same according to adeptus astarte.

  • Swarf

    I would make a joke, but apparently one of the moderators of this site has his panties set on “hyperventilating school marm”, so I’d better not.

    I have been completely shocked by things that have been deleted here. Days or weeks later.

    • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

      Discus has a habit of self censoring the comments. Phil is the only one that has the ability to moderate and I can assure you he only uses that when nessacary.

    • Days or weeks later? I check comments when Disqus blocks them. I sure don’t have time to go back weeks and look for things.

      • Swarf

        So you’re saying it’s possible for this place to not have such a blubbering case of the simpering ninnies, you just choose to keep it that way.

        Okay. It’s your show, I reckon.

        And yes, I made a joke that used the correct word for male genitalia and it got deleted *days* later.

        Mature? No, of course not, but it was harmless. Certainly non-political.

  • Cap’n Mike

    Really sucks for those of us in Mass.
    There is strong evidence to suggest that the ATF has put all Massachusetts tax stamps on hold pending clarification of AG Healeys proclamation banning assault rifles. I’m sure Herr Healey will get right on it and clear up the confusion.

    My SBR stamp submitted in April may never get out of NFA jail.

    • De Facto

      I would hope they give you a refund then!

      • Cap’n Mike

        Somebody will have to make a “decision” before refunds can be issued.

      • HSR47

        Refunds only go out when applications are denied.

  • ORCON

    Yall oughta get a Convention of States movement going so we can pull the rug from under this kind of garbage.

  • Liberals and Communists trigge

    Funny how the site is now so “politically correct” they banned me for criticizing this immoral part of the US gov. I guess all the dont tread on me is BS.

    Edited. Happy?

    • Nobody banned you—

      • Liberals and Communists trigge

        I cant exactly post with a banned account, cant I?
        Whatever though, Im just one in probably hundreds you have banned in your “bastion of freedom”.
        Enjoy getting shafted by the ATF!

        • You are posting now

          • Sigivald

            With magic banposting powers, though.

            (I think he’s confusing “banned” with “a post being blocked for bad content”, thus “edited”…?)

  • AK

    Could be worse – in Europe you have to have a purchase permit for each firearm. A legal pistol may take up to three years to acquire even with everything OK. And all permits are “may issue” and may have to be renewed every few years, depending on gun type and country.

  • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

    Nice job! I’ll add the kudos here in a little while.

  • Gus Butts

    “it is funnier than hell”
    This is relative but I’m pretty sure that everything is funnier than hell…

    • iksnilol

      You obviously don’t have annoying in-laws.

      • Gary Kirk

        I half of mine aren’t, and for the most part I’d rather hang out with them than my own family..

        • iksnilol

          Can completely understand that one, I just thought the joke would be more relatable with annoying in-laws than “loving and caring” family.

  • phil box

    ain’t computers wonderful. let’s go back to adding machines and manual typewriters and put lots of people to work.

  • Joel WS

    At what point do the extended wait times constitute “infringement”?

    • HSR47

      “A right delayed is a right denied.”

      • Joel WS

        EXACTLY! Great answer.

  • Mike Lashewitz

    Why doe the concept of “Shall not be infringed” come to mind?