TFBTV: Wilson Combat AR9G Glock-mag 9mm AR15 Review

In this episode of TFBTV, James reviews Wilson Combat’s brand new AR9G, a 9mm AR15 that accepts 9mm Glock magazines.  Wilson designed this gun from the ground up – it is no mere converted AR15, but a completely new gun. Wilson plans to introduce the AR9 in several other varieties accepting several different manufacturers’ 9mm pistol magazines. But at $2,000 MSRP, is the AR9G worth it? James tells you today on TFBTV.

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Transcript …

– Hey guys, James again for TFB TV.

Today on TFB TV, I’m very excited to introduce to you the new Wilson Combat AR 9.

(gun firing) And this is Wilson Combat, 9 milometer AR 15 carbine.

And I’m reluctant to refer to it as an AR 15 style carbine because Wilson Combat really wants to emphasize that this gun was developed from the ground up to be a 9 milometer carbine that shares some similarities with the AR 15.

This is the AR 9 g, g being short for Glock.

This model takes Glock magazines.

And while Wilson is going to make a model that takes Beretta magazines and a model that takes Smith and Wesson M&P magazines, I guarantee you that the Glock version is going to be the most popular.

You have more options with the Glock magazine.

You have manufacturers making Glock magazines that are reliable, high quality and inexpensive including Magpul so to me I think it’s a no brainer to get the Glock model.

So let’s go front to back here guys.

To start, you’ve got a five eight by 24 inch threaded 9 milometer barrel that comes with a Q-comp/flash hider on the front.

Now if I can make a brief comment about that.

Five eight by 24 is kind of an odd thread pitch to have for a 9 milometer barrel.

So I’m kinda disappointed to see Wilson go with one of the odder thread pitches for the barrel.

But at the end of the day, it’s not really that big of a deal.

Moving back you have the Wilson Combat trim, t-r-i-m hand guard, it’s a free float hand guard.

Easy to change out if you need to.

And you may be able to see, it’s got a couple sling studs on either side, quick disconnect sling studs.

And then it has threaded portions on the three o’clock, six o’clock and nine o’clock of the rail where you can screw on little pieces of Picatinny rail.

I also note that for an extra 100 dollar upcharge you can get a fluted barrel model if you want to cut down on some weight.

I think that for an extra 100 dollars that’s a pretty decent deal if ounces matter to you.

And continuing backwards you can see that the magwell is flared and beveled.

Very nice, easy insert for the mags even if you’re not looking at the magwell when you’re doing it.

Very nice billet receiver, has a built in trigger guard as you can see here.

It’s got the Wilson Combat two stage TTU or tactical trigger unit which is supposed to be four pounds.

This also comes with a Wilson Combat branded BCM star-burst grip which has a storage compartment that had no star-burst in it.

I think somebody from Wilson Combat ate them before they sent this to me so I’ll be in touch with them about that.

Finally in the rear, you’ve got the Rogers Super-Stoc which is actually one of my favorite stocks.

Ugly as hell but it works very well, it’s extremely lightweight, one of the lightest weight stocks on the market.

And I gotta say guys, this gun looks great.

It feels great, it’s finished in the Wilson Combat armor tough finish which I love.

Black, they say that there are going to be more colors available in the future.

But the one hang up with Wilson Combat, you know where I’m going, you know what I’m about to say, price, MSRP on this guy is two grand.

And 2100 dollars if you go with a fluted barrel model.

Now, ya know, that said you get a lot of value out of Wilson Combat guns.

They’ve been selling their ARs for two grand plus for years and they’re not going out of business.

Unfortunately for you south paws, this is not an A&B gun, it has only a strong side safety and bolt catch.

Now when you spend 2,000 dollars on a rifle, you kinda hope that it comes with some nice packaging.

Fortunately, Wilson Combat delivers in that regard.

They’ve got a very nice, zipper, mult-compartment Wilson Combat branded sock close.

Kinda clever, the AR 9 also comes with a dog tag that has your AR 9 model and serial number on the plate.

Okay, first shots with the AR 9, let’s go.

Oh, well, for 2,000 dollars, it turns out, you don’t get any sights.

Let me go back to the truck and grab an aim point.

First shots with the AR 9, take two.

(gun firing and hitting metal repeatedly) Alright, just had a little failure to fire but it turns out, just a hard primer.

On this crappy Wolf Steel ammunition, I almost feel bad running cheap nine through a nice 9 milometer AR like this.

(gun firing and hitting metal repeatedly) Wow, wow, I mean, this isn’t just nice.

It’s exceptional, like this really is the trigger.

Wilson’s trigger on here is amazing.

I love this two stage trigger, very crisp, works very well with the aim point.

This is the aim point that sighted in for my MPX.

It’s shooting a little bit low but not much.

I mean, you can hear it dinging the plate.

It’s working well enough, I do have a complaint about this magazine release, takes quite a bit of pressure to not move it very far.

I mean, your, it barely goes in.

You gotta really treat it like a see saw.

Because how it works is this mag release, it’s a long piece of metal and so you press down on the back end and it lifts up the front end, the tab that’s holding the mag in place.

So you just see saw it out so the further back you hit it, the better.

The AR 9 is specifically made to be utterly reliable with all bullet weights, 9 milometer bullet weights.

I have 50 rounds, I just plucked from three boxes.

We’ve got aluminum case, 147 grain.

Brass case, 124 grain and a lot of Steel Wolf, 115 grain.

Let’s see if this Wilson can take all of it.

(gun cocking) (gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) Oh.

Got another hard primer with the Wolf.

So that makes you kinda wonder if the primer’s hard or if this firing pin’s hitting a little soft.

(gun cocking) (gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) Again, another one with Wolf.

And the dimple’s looking really light on this primer so I am wondering if this Wilson firing pin is hitting a little on the, a little on the soft side.

(gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) Oh, another one, bet it’s Wolf.

Yup, again, Wolf, hard primer, soft strike, combination of the two, who knows.

(gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) And again, I really don’t like that mag release very much.

(gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) Here we go again.

Oh.

This time that was 147 grain CCI blazer.

It’s making me wonder if the AR 9’s hitting a little too soft, its like the Drake of guns.

(gun firing and hitting plate repeatedly) Here we go again.

Oh no, that time it went dry but the bolt didn’t hold open.

I mean, as far as feeding reliability goes, it’s choking it all down, I mean, it’s taking it.

But I mean, it looks like the firing pin might be hitting the primers a little bit on the soft side.

So ya know, it did that a couple of times with Wolf and with CCI Blazer aluminium, both of which kinda have a reputation for having harder primers.

I also didn’t like that the bolt didn’t hold open on the last round but I don’t know if this makes any difference, it shouldn’t but that was with a Glock 19 mag from a Gen 2 Glock 19.

Maybe it makes a difference, maybe it doesn’t.

The Wilson Combat AR 9 comes in 9 milometer with your choice of the 14.7 inch or 16 inch barrel.

The overall length on the 16 inch model is 32.75 inches and it weighs six pounds, four ounces, which is pretty lightweight.

It comes with a billet AR 70/75 aluminum flat top upper and lower matching receiver.

And Wilson promises match grade accuracy out of this thing.

But Wilson has outfitted this thing with a propitiatory bolt and barrel to maximize the feed reliability with common bullet profiles.

It uses a closed bolt blow back operating system that it says is soft shooting and reliable.

And this gun is plus p rated, obviously.

Okay, so this is my second trip to the range now with the Wilson AR 9.

I sent it back to Wilson after last week because as you guys saw, I had a few problems.

There were mostly light primer strikes and then I had one double feed (ding) and one double fire.

And again, that was with Wolf so (gun fires) that was really interesting.

But I sent it back to Wilson, they checked the gun out.

They said the gun’s fine but Wilson did send some really wonky grain weight made by Wilson.

And I’ve got it here, they sent me 100 rounds of it.

They said run this through it and see if it works.

But real weird conical bullet and it comes in a Wilson Combat box and then there’s a plastic box in the box, it’s like a Russian doll of ammo.

But anyways, that’s what they sent me, they sent 100 rounds.

So what I’m gonna do right now is I’m gonna run those 100 rounds through this Wilson Combat AR 9.

I loaded up a bunch of Glock magazines.

I’m just gonna blast and see what happens.

And then I’m gonna run some more Wolf through it.

And see what happens but ya know, they said don’t run Wolf through it.

That’s a little bit like don’t try to run your car on Jack Daniels.

It’s like of course, everybody knows that.

But ya know, Wolf being as cheap as it is, even though it is garbage, it’s great for the range.

And you really, if you spend 2,000 dollars on an AR, you kinda do want it to be able to take anything you could throw at it, right? So anyways, we’ll, let me shoot this.

We’ll go peel off this hundred rounds.

And then, and then I’ll fire some more Wolf through it, see if it has the same problems.

(gun cocking) (gun firing) Look at that, second round, failure to feed.

God, second round from having it.

Right after the first shot, getting it back from the factory.

(gun firing twice) Again, failure to feed, this is a factory Glock 33 round magazine, this isn’t the magazine that Wilson sent, but this is OEM factory Glock 33 round magazine.

(gun firing repeatedly) There we go, got it running, made it through the rest of those, but yeah, factory Glock magazine, Wilson’s ammo.

Isn’t that adorable? Alright, this is the Glock or the Magpul Glock magazine.

The GL 9, the 17 rounder, see how it does.

(gun cocking) (gun firing repeatedly and rapidly) (gun firing in slow motion) Not bad, Glock 19 mag and it doesn’t want to insert on a closed bolt.

(gun firing repeatedly and rapidly) Oh, stove pipe, alright I just squirted this thing down with WD-40 and I’m gonna give it another run, see how it does.

(gun firing repeatedly) Yeah, ran it, but bolt didn’t hold open that time.

Let’s keep going, ah, this is Wolf, your old adversary. (gun firing repeatedly) I gotta tell you, Wolf’s running a lot hotter out of here.

Yup and there it was again, light primer strike.

(gun firing repeatedly) Another light primer strike, looks like.

Ya know, I wonder if it has something to do with the two stage trigger.

I wish I knew more about how two stage triggers work, what affect that they had on an impact, primer impact with the firing pin but ya know, I wonder if that could explain it.

If you put GI trigger, your standard GI trigger, if it would work better.

Alright now we’ve got the last two magazines of the Wilson Combat ammo.

(gun firing repeatedly) There it was, another double fire.

Did you guys, you hear that? God, ATF if you’re watching this, don’t take me to jail.

I swear to God I didn’t know that was gonna happen.

Wilson, get your shit together man.

This is a great gun, this is a great gun.

But like I said earlier, it just doesn’t work.

Like it just doesn’t work.

(gun firing repeatedly) I guess it’s a little bit like having a Lamborghini powered by a hamster wheel.

I mean, this thing looks sleek.

And when it works, its awesome.

The trigger’s great, everything about it.

Like I said, I’m lukewarm on the magazine release.

But other than that, this is a great gun.

And this is a shame, guys, I mean, I can already tell you for 2,000 dollars, I mean, (censor beep) Man, I mean, the reliability if this thing just worked.

This would be amazing, I might even shell out 2,000 dollars, it’s a great gun.

It just (gun firing in slow motion) Doesn’t really work that well.

And remember guys, I sent this back to Wilson Combat.

I sent this back to Wilson Combat.

They said that everything was fine.

Even after I lubed it up, after I put WD-40 on the bolt, it really didn’t fix any of the issues, so.

I don’t know, I mean, bummer man.

In conclusion: bummer, that is the conclusion, bummer.

Great gun and I just can’t tell you to go out and spend 2,000 dollars on this.

But anyways, thanks for watching guys.

I really appreciate it, as usual.

Please subscribe, I will see you next week, take care.

(marching band music)



James Reeves

James Reeves is a licensed and practicing concealed weapons instructor, the winner of Maxim Magazine’s MAXIMum Warrior, a graduate of Front Sight, the Shooter Performance Institute, and Tier 1 Group, and is an Appleseed-qualified Rifleman. James previously owned and operated a gun shop in Tallahassee, FL and worked as a regional sales representative for distributor/importer, Interstate Arms Company. He is a coverage litigation attorney by day. James likes traveling with his wife, boating, America, photography, guns, gear he doesn’t really need, cold beer, and a little exercise here and there (James is also GORUCK Tough). Above all, James enjoys creating content for TFBTV. Follow James on Twitter @jjreeves.


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  • thedonn007

    I watched the video earlier this morning and have been waiting for it to show up here. I would no way spend $2,000 for this rifle. You should not have those problems with this rifle. I would bet that thr hammer springs are weaker to provide a lighter trigger pull. Also, I thnk the doubles are from the more violent recoil of the blowback action vs a gas operated action, such as a standard 5.56 upper.

    • James R.

      “There is no reason it should not be 1/2×28, or even 1/2×36.”

      100% agree.

      • Kivaari

        All the 9mm carbines I am aware of use the larger thread pattern. The 9mm hole leaves some very thin walls if you use 1/2 inch threads.

        • JumpIf NotZero

          It’s the same wall thickness the vast majority of all 9mm threaded barrel have.

          • Kivaari

            Perhaps on pistols. I am looking at carbines and the 9mms have a bigger diameter. I think it makes sense to be sturdier on rifle length where more leverage is out there subject to more rough handling. From memory the pistols are often in odd metric thread patterns.

        • Lee Enfield

          CZ Evo switched from a stupid 18×1 to 1/2×28 after consumer uproar.

      • Schnee

        It DOES keep meatheads from threading a .223 muzzle device onto a 9mm barrel.

        • Sunshine_Shooter

          I have yet to ever even hear of that happening once. Not saying that it has never happened, but suppressor owners tend to be fairly educated and motivated to protect their $1,000+ investments.

          • Schnee

            Ah grasshopper, are all muzzle devices suppressors? Those M4 flash hiders look a lot like 9mm AR flash hiders. I believe that’s the reason Colt threaded the 9mm AR with 1/2-36 in the first place.

    • Anonymoose

      They’re probably planning on doing .45 (and maybe .40 and 10mm) versions, so they can use the same .45 muzzle devices on all of them.

  • Kivaari

    Wow! I was pumped and thinking of what trade stock I could come up with to get one of these. With the problems, that may get worked out in the future, I think I’ll pass. thanks for the review.

  • michael franklin

    How wilson determines their price… ” hey, how much is the most expensive carbine.?.$1500….ok, make ours $500 more”

  • Martin M

    Wow. All for the price of FOUR Kel-Tec Sub-2000s.
    Pass

    • Stephan Koopmans

      And the Sub2k tends to work right out of the box…

      The newest gen models are pretty sweet, actually. Only needs the trigger cleaned up a little…

      • Martin M

        I mean, I know they’re unnecessarily ugly, but the price is right and they work. Plus, they also take Glock mags.

        • Russ Kell

          And several other OE mags, which makes them handy if you own one of those pistols.

  • Pete – TFB Writer

    “I mean, your, it barely goes in”

    That’s what she said…

    Awesome as always, JR.

    • James R.

      hahaha yeah I realized that this one was laden with TWSS. I need to cut out the pornhub.

      • iksnilol

        😮

        But those arms, that chiseled definition… the tight shirts… HOW!? HOW ARE YOU NOT DROWNING IN IT!? By “it” I mean women (not creepy clowns from Stephen King novels).

        I guess I am asking is how/why do you visit such sites at all.

    • Bill

      “it’s choking it all down, I mean, it’s taking it”

      Snerk

  • Surfgun

    Wilson, using owners to Beta test is surprising.
    Even after been given a chance to make it right is at least disappointing.
    One would expect such performance from an experimental home build.

    • Joseph Goins

      And here I thought only Glock and Remington did that recently.

  • Schnee

    Blowback for $2000. This is more insulting than the HK SP5K which at least has ancestry and rollers going for it.

    • oldman

      TNW areo with conversion kits in 9mm .40 and .45 + backpack to carry everything in is 1299.00 you can also add the conversion kits for both 10mm and .357sig and still spend less then two grand. Or you can spend 799.00 to get just a single caliber carbine.

      • Schnee

        Still only blowback.

        • oldman

          I know I was commenting on the price point and that you can get more options at a much lower price with the AREO you get 3 calibers for 1299.00 this gun gives you one for 700 more.

    • Jim N Jenna SK

      Bought the sp5k. Plan on installing the paddle mag release.

  • quasiXBL

    Oh, no. A negative review. Be prepared for a representative from Wilson Combat to pay a visit to your place of employment.

    😀

    • iksnilol

      Would be shots fired if it weren’t for the light hammer spring.

  • A Fascist Corgi

    I personally think that 9mm carbines are some of the best home defense weapons because not enough people are considering how insanely loud their self-defense firearms arm.

    Anything over 140 decibels will cause permanent hearing damage. And an AR-15 that’s chambered in 5.56 and using a 16-inch barrel will create around 167 decibels. A 9mm pistol with a 4 1/2-inch barrel will create about about 161 decibels. And since sound doubles in strength about every 3 decibels, that makes both 9mm pistols and 5.56 AR-15s pretty dangerous to your hearing. Rupturing your eardrums is a very real possibility – especially if you’re shooting indoors and using an effective muzzle brake on your AR-15. Do you really want to hear an insanely annoying ringing sound for the rest of your life?

    The most logical solution to this problem is using a suppressor, but the U.S. government has decided to make legally obtaining and using a suppressor really freaking annoying. And a lot of people aren’t willing to get fleeced by U.S. suppressor manufacturers who are charging several hundred dollars for a threaded metal tube with baffles – one of the easiest firearm accessories to manufacture. You can buy a whole AR-15 for around that price.

    So, if you aren’t willing to buy a suppressor, then a 9mm carbine is the best alternative for home defense because they only create about 151 decibels. That still isn’t hearing safe, but it won’t completely annihilate your eardrums like an 5.56 AR-15 will. The only downside is the reduced terminal performance, but 30 rounds of 9mm 147-grain Federal HST is more than enough to deal with 99% of home invaders. And 9mm carbines are easier to aim and shoot rapidly than a 9mm pistol.

    • Russ Kell

      Glock lower SBR build with Osprey. It would hurt if it locked up until I was cleared, but it is super easy to handle, the wife and boys can all shoot it well, and no one goes deaf.

      • A Fascist Corgi

        I personally recommend the CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 Carbine with the fake suppressor for anyone that’s interested in using a 9mm carbine for home defense. I’ve never seen anyone complain about the reliability of the CZ Scorpion EVO, and they look cool as hell. I used to be highly skeptical of the EVO’s polymer magazines because I saw a ton of people complaining about the feed lips cracking, but it looks like CZ solved that problem a year or so ago based on the YouTube torture tests that I’ve watched. The SIG MPX Carbine is also a great choice if you don’t mind the price.

    • Kivaari

      Beretta’s CX4 is a handy little thing. Without any special taxes or paperwork it is about the same OAL as an AR-SBR.

      • Russ Kell

        Had one some years ago (the 92FS mag version). I like how it handled, but the FCG was just not great. I know you could pick up the all-metal FCG, but didn’t float my boat enough to get it. Did like that I could use my extended 92 mags in it.

        • Kivaari

          Mine is the PX4 variant, as the price was so low and it came with 4 magazines, I just couldn’t pass it up. The trigger pull is bad, but not $300 worth bad. It really is a handy size and weight. After trying it with all three rails attached, I finally stripped it clean and it makes it even better.

      • thedonn007

        No, it is not almost the same OAL. An AR- SBR is quite a bit shorter.

        • Sunshine_Shooter

          And super loud and has slightly-to-greatly (depending on how short) reduced ballistics. A short enough SBR is in the handgun ballistic territory, and I’m not aware of any 5.56/.223 ammo specifically made to operate effectively in flesh at SBR speeds.

          • Kivaari

            Going below 11.5 inches is a real ballistics killer. At 11.5 inch you can get most ammo to still work OK to 100m. It starts out quite a bit slower, but still has a little ooommph at 100. Like the M4 14.5 inch they give up a bit of distance where the M855 no longer tumbles. I suspect the new M855A1 will perform OK, but I don’t think we will be buying it in case lots. It is too bad that quality expanding bullets are not priced just marginally more than ball ammo. It can’t really cost that much more to make an expanding bullet, especially compared to M855.

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            I think a made-for-SBR, low velocity expanding .223 projectile would be a real winner on the market.

          • Kivaari

            That would be easy for a handloader. The super explosive varmint bullets, “Varmint grenades”, would work well.

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            Those would open and expand at low velocities, what would the penetration on them be like?

          • Kivaari

            The penetration I don’t know about. I suspect it would be pretty good except close up. But, that is always the issue. Do they perform at 200m or at 100m while nothing holds together right at 25m. Getting that balance is the tough part of bullet construction. If you want expansion at the lesser speeds those bullets would sure expand. The jackets are thin. So thin, that at very high speeds the bullets pull themselves apart. Some are so thin skinned you can’t use them in full speed .22-250 or .220 Swift rifles. Great for .223 Varmint shooting.

          • billyoblivion

            If you’re taking 100 yard shots inside your house my hat’s off to you mate, you’ve done a heck of a job.

          • Kivaari

            That would have to be in the horse barn or the pool area. Seriously 25 feet is a big distance in my house. I prefer a handgun for home defense.

        • Kivaari

          Odd since mine is about the same OAL. I stack them side by side and an 11.5 inch gun with the stock in shooting position are about the same size. Try 30 inches on the Beretta. Now if you have a rediculous 7 inch SBR I’d concede that would be shorter.

    • AC97

      -“5.56 will completely annihilate your eardrums”.

      No, that won’t annihilate your eardrums, if you wanted to do that, there’s always the snub-nose .357 Magnum for that task.

      In all seriousness though, I’d rather take more hearing loss in exchange for taking out the threat more quickly (and yes, I’m aware that in most cases, they give up after being shot the first time, and possibly before that), and in the extremely rare event they’re wearing a bulletproof vest, I wouldn’t have any issues shooting through it (assuming a pistol rated vest).

      Oh, and speaking of 9mm vs 5.56, 5.56 actually goes through less walls than 9mm in the case that you miss, same with 5.56 vs 12 gauge.

      And if you only know about them after they’ve already gained entry, you may be screwed.

      • A Fascist Corgi

        The best way to deal with bullet proof vests is to aim for the head.

        And in all of the wall penetration tests that I’ve seen, the difference between 9mm and 5.56 is nowhere near as significant as the gun community likes to claim. So the 5.56 round will penetrate through 12 walls instead of 14 – it’s still penetrating through 12 walls. That doesn’t give you a free pass to be careless with your shots.

        All of the rounds that are capable home defense rounds will penetrate through a ton of walls. So, if you’re really worried about wall penetration, then birdshot is your only option. But I personally don’t recommend using it since it doesn’t reliably penetrate deep enough into the human body in order to reach the vital organs. It will bounce off of the skull or fail to reach the heart.

        • AC97

          But you’re more likely to miss if you go for the head, and you’ll likely aim center of mass anyway, and you might not be able to tell if they’re wearing a kevlar vest or not at first glance; with a rifle round, it’s a moot point of whether you shoot them in the vest or not.

          So I disagree, the best way to deal with a vest is to shoot them with something the vest can’t stop, and if you’re using a rifle, the chances of them wearing something that can stop it drops down to essentially zero, and if they are, it’s much more obvious that they’re wearing armor, as rifle plates are much more bulky.

          Of course it doesn’t give you a free pass to be careless, and yes, I’m absolutely aware of how terrible birdshot is at killing things.

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            As to birdshot…

          • AC97

            You’d seriously have to be a complete moron to advocate using birdshot against people.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Esp when frangible ammo is so easily available.

        • Klaus Von Schmitto

          A lot more bad guys breaking into your house are going to be wearing hoodies than ballistic vests. A load of #1 buck will penetrate that just fine.

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            On a related note, why does the home defense crowd believe only 3 shotgun rounds exist? There is a LOT more out there than birdshot, #00, and slugs. I’d love to see tests and HD ammo made in different sizes, like the #1 you mentioned, or something in the turkey #4 range.

          • A Fascist Corgi

            I’ve looked at #4 and #1 buckshot. They still penetrate through several walls. Some people recommend them over 00 buckshot because they create more damage in ballistic gel, but I still prefer 00 buckshot because I don’t want to have to worry about penetration problems. Personally, I’m one of the few people that prefers to always use slugs in a shotgun for self-defense. I just don’t like the idea of sending out a cloud of metal, especially since I live in a large house with very long rooms. And if you ever had to make a hostage rescue type shot where a home invader is using one of your loved ones as a human shield, then I don’t want to hit both of them with buckshot. I’d much rather aim for the spinal cord with a slug. Most people shy away from using slugs for home defense because they’re worried about overpenetration, but you just have to be mindful of your angles in my opinion. I mean, missing with #1, #4, or 00 buckshot is still really dangerous.

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            I understand your reasoning, but would it not be beneficial to keep one round in the gun and a different type round on the side? Most people keep 00 in the tube and slugs on the side for times like the hostage scenario you stated. Would having both ammo types on board the gun at all times not allow you to better deal with more scenarios?

          • A Fascist Corgi

            I just don’t understand the point of using buckshot. I don’t think that anyone would argue that slugs are lacking when it comes to terminal performance.

          • billyoblivion

            You should probably pattern your shotgun at the distances you’d be shooting and see just how big that cloud is.

            I suspect it’s smaller than you intuit.

    • jay

      I still prefer pistols in such close quarters. Gives you a hand to defend, or redirect a loved one behind you. You could try using suppressed rounds without a suppressor. Just an idea.

      • A Fascist Corgi

        I’ve read about several examples of police officers rupturing their eardrums after using their duty pistols indoors.

        • jay

          Yes, unfortunately the police departments don’t issue electronic hearing protection (for day to day use). A set of ear pro’s would be a great addition to a Police Officers and a Solder’s kit.

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        There is no “suppressed rounds” w/o a suppressor. There are rounds that stay below the speed of sound, but they are still way beyond hearing safe on their own.

        • Big Daddy

          What?

        • jay

          Sorry, didn’t use the proper terminology. “subsonic rounds”. Use subsonic rounds to “help” protect your ears. At the range of an indoor self defense situation, it will help. No, only subsonic rounds and a suppressor will allow possible use without hearing protection. In some states suppressors are still illegal. And frankly I’d rather have hearing loss than bury a loved one. Feel better? ;-}

          • Sunshine_Shooter

            If I had the choice between hearing for the rest of my life or keeping my family alive I’d pick family 10/10.

            That doesn’t change the fact that subsonic ammo will still cause serious, permanent hearing loss inside w/o hearing protection, just like supersonic ammo. Not less, the same. The sound concussion comes from the uncorking pressure, not the sonic crack. Depending on burn rates of different powders a subsonic round could potentially have a higher uncorking pressure, but that’s the realm of masters’ thesis and paid researchers. Subsonic rounds do nothing w/o a can besides fly slow. Unless you use a projectile designed to perform at these lower velocities, you are only making your gun less effective against a real world target.

    • iksnilol

      I remember Bill Burr (a comedian) saying somewhat jokingly that he’d only use a .22 for self defense. Because he shot a .38 without earpro and couldn’t hear the gun… couldn’t hear anything at all, due to how loud it was.

      Following the logic of what’s quieter, you should go for low pressure cartridge and a long barrel. A bullpup in .45 ACP with a 26 inch barrel would be somewhat quiet.

      • Big Daddy

        And the bullet would fall out of the end of the barrel like a Willy Coyote cartoon.

        • iksnilol

          Depends.

          Best way is to get a barrel long enough that a bullet will get stuck, then just chop 4-5 cm from behind where the bullet was stuck.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Seems like you would need to develop a new powder to make this idea work well: something that burns very slowly like H5010, but is “fluffy” and uses a lot of case volume like Trail Boss or N32C.

          • iksnilol

            Or that, new powders always help. Just ask Reagan.

            😛

            Simplest would be just to find out at what length the bullet stops traveling and then chop it a couple of inches short of that length.

          • ostiariusalpha

            With standard .45 ACP loads, you might be looking at a 2m barrel or more. There’s a point at which the barrel is long enough that it will start detracting from the velocity of the projectile instead of increasing it, but it will still be unsafe for hearing when the bullet pops out of the muzzle for quite a bit of length beyond that; the kind of propellant I’m describing would keep the barrel length down to a mere meter.

          • iksnilol

            Good heavens, my dear Percival. A mere meter you say? What kind alchemical sorcery is this?

      • gunsandrockets

        Low-pressure + long-barrel? Sounds like a Mossberg HS410

        • iksnilol

          Could work.

          Also, smaller caliber helps as well.

  • Ken

    Spend $2K on something like a Wilson and expect it to run on garbage? Isn’t that backwards? I doubt that a McLaren would run at peak performance on Regular gasoline. And I doubt the guy that buys one has an issue with running it with the higher priced fuel. That said, the Wilson obviously has some issues. I’ve had three 9mm carbines. One, an AR conversion, a Colt, and a JP. The conversion regularly doubled and broke 3 bolt catches so I un-converted it. The Colt never has doubled and the JP has done it twice. The triggers on the conversion and the JP have lighter-pull triggers and I’m of the opinion that the heavy bolt slamming back forward had something to do with that. The Colt regularly had feeding issues until I tweaked the buffer/spring combination and settled on one type of ammo to shoot out of it. It now runs like a top with that ammo. Other types are hit-or-miss, so to speak. The JP is the most reliable with a varied ammo diet but doesn’t have a last round bolt hold-open feature. I think more of the high-enders, i.e., Wilson, JP, etc., are getting into the 9mm carbine game since the addition of the Pistol Caliber Carbine class in USPSA. I know JP’s are very popular there. I’m having fun with mine. I imagine Wilson will get theirs together eventually. It’s not like they don’t really know what they’re doing.

    • James R.

      To be fair, there were numerous problems using the premium, Wilson-branded ammo that they sent me to use for the test.

      • Ken

        Yeah, that wasn’t very inspiring. 🙂

    • Russ Kell

      That is exactly the thing, you can build your own glock lower-based platform (QC10 on the higher end, NFA on the lower) for a LOT less than the Wilson. I’ve built using a QC10, PSAs with LRBHO (my most recent), and a NewFrontier and they all run like tops. Use one with subs and an Osprey that just runs.

      Maybe a bad test sample, but I’d expect the premium paid for a Wilson to run. Period.

    • I have a JP GMR-13 and I’ve had no doubling. But I built the lower up myself using a Hyperfire 24E trigger using the medium springs.

      In fact in the 2,400 rounds I’ve fired so far I’ve only had two stoppages, a Federal Aluminum that had a bad failure to feed, and an Atlanta Arms 147gr USPSA load that didn’t eject. The AA ammo was giving me sluggish bolt velocities before the failure to eject so I don’t think it enough umph for the rifle.

      I will say that I lube 9mm ARs with much less lube than I would a normal AR-15.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    wants to emphasize that this gun was developed from
    the ground up

    Yes… 9mm blowback AR.. all that ground up! I have a feeling someone doesn’t really understand what that term means.

    utterly reliable
    Light primer strikes.

  • Swarf

    It’s no mere converted AR15! It just looks like one, costs three times as much and doesn’t work!

    Hold up while I put my super excited pants on!!

  • AC97

    Even if this thing worked, it still wouldn’t be worth it for the price it is when you have the options of: an MP5 clone, a Scorpion EVO (or two), or a Sig MPX.

    What advantages does a 9mm AR offer over those anyway? Nothing?

    • billyoblivion

      It’s an AR.

      Everyone knows ARs are better because NAVY SEALS!!!!!

  • Joseph Goins

    I don’t know why someone would buy this. It was a niche that is no longer relevant.

  • RogUinta

    I built a 5.5″ 9mm SBR that uses Glock mags (Quarter-Circle 10 lower) with a tri-lug adapter and a Silencerco Octane 45 HD. Runs like a raped ape (even locks open on empty) with factory, Asian, Magpul, and clear ETS mags.

    Total cost with BOTH stamps was less than the cost of this POS.

    Very disappointing, Wilson. Very disappointing.

  • Bill

    “it’s a great gun. It just (gun firing in slow motion) Doesn’t really work that well.”

    I are confoozed.

  • Stan

    I really like that you wondered aloud if the trigger had something to do with the light primer strikes because you’re heading in the right direction on that problem. You get a nice light trigger by swapping out the hammer spring with a weaker one. Weak hammer spring —> light hammer strikes. So, why run a nice fancy gun on junk ammo? Would you run a Porsche 911 GT3 RS on 87 octane? HELL NO.

    Feeding problems? Think about the magazine and bolt design. A well designed magazine is essential to a reliable firearm. And the bolt must be designed to be able to strip rounds off the mag reliably too. An AR bolt wasn’t meant to work with a Glock mag. It’s not too surprising there are feeding problems.

    So, for $2k would you rather this thing or get an MP5 knockoff? Cause the MP5 is the King of 9mm.

    Cool review. Keep it up JR

    • James R.

      Thanks, Stan-

    • ostiariusalpha

      The Wilson AR9 uses a typical 9mm blowback bolt, very similar in design to what other manufacturers go with, not an AR-15 bolt.

      • Except it isn’t staking, even on 9mm bolts the carrier key should be staked as rapid fire can get the bolt hot enough to loosen loctite.

        • ostiariusalpha

          It certainly isn’t staked in the glamour photo that I posted, but you would have to ask James if the one he did the T&E on had the key properly staked.

      • Stan

        Oooo pictures! Very good. I stand corrected

    • Pseudo

      It’s not an AR bolt. It was “designed from the ground up” and has a proprietary bolt. That just seems like failure to me.

  • Big Daddy

    A 16″ 9mm barrel doesn’t need a muzzle device. Why use a standard AR15 dust cover and port size, it should be shorter and wider for the case size. There are so many little details that are just wrong or questionable. For $2000, come on Wilson. QC10 is way ahead of you.

    • Zachary marrs

      A 5.56 ejection port is more than wide enough for 9mm

      • ostiariusalpha

        They both have the same case head diameter. Big Daddy needs to look at his ammo more closely.

      • Big Daddy

        It operates differently I have spoken to QC10 about ejection port size. I suggest you look at the port door sizes on dedicated 9mm sub guns, But there is more to it.

        There’s more to firearms design than most people who think they know things can imagine.

        Every operation of the gun changes things in a continuous cycle until all the bugs can be worked out, obviously Wilson hasn’t. If so why did Colt change the port door configuration, gas blowback and the size of the cartridge comes to mind.

        In a Colt pattern AR 9mm the magazines if put pressure on the bottom causes stove pipes and miss-feeds of all kinds, partly due to the port door size, after talking with QC10 this was discussed. There’s so much more you guys do not understand about these firearms. I am learning. I thought that by putting pressure on the mag bottom you are lifting the bolt up and causing the ejected case to bounce off the top of the upper receiver ( no gas tube only the charging handle which creates a space there) instead of out the port because of the port door size being incorrect. I had many instances of the case bouncing back in the path of the bolt and not out of the door. It was probably due to the misalignment caused by the magazine being push up. The mag release on the Colt pattern 9mm AR15 doesn’t work well it’s not tight enough and allows too much movement.

        I built 3 Colt pattern 9mm AR15s and gave up on the design because of reliability issues. It was a bastard child by Colt and there are issue with the design. I can see the same thing with the Glock pattern AR 9mm now too.

        The AR15 was not designed as a blowback gun and trying to make it into one creates all kinds of issues. Just as trying to make it a piston gun does.

        I loved my 9mm AR15s but would not bet my life with one so I sold them. I put a lot of money into trying to make them run and had some basic issues that really needed to be solved that was beyond my finances. I don’t have a high speed camera and machine shop. One thing was to open up the port door and install a faux gas tube to guide the case out.

        Do you guys have one or just talking about things you never owned, fired or worked on?

        If anything I’d love to have a gas DI 10mm AR SBR/pistol i think that has some actual use if it isn’t as problematic as the 9mm designs. 9mm does not have enough gas to operate the design so blowback it has to be. But for me so far the new B&T design looks promising and the new 9mm carbines like the EVO and MPX look promising.

        • claymore

          Funny we used Colt selectfire 9mm rifles for years on our swat team and other than sometimes all the rounds flying out of the mag if dropped we had no other problems with them. And we used them a lot not armory queens like 200 rounds a week at the least and most members a lot more than that.

          • Big Daddy

            Did you ever shoot one resting it on the magazine? The problem with the 9mm is similar to the .308 AR no mil-spec to follow by companies so you get a lot of parts out of spec because there is NO specs other than the military 5.56mm ones. Maybe those Colts worked but a lot of other company’s don’t as we see here with a top notch company and expensive gun. It doesn’t work.

          • claymore

            You get what you pay for I guess. And no never shot resting on the mag why would I?

        • ostiariusalpha

          That MPX has the same ejection port height as an AR-15. Just saying.

          • Big Daddy

            Different gun, different way it works. They changed the port at QC10 for there uppers for a reason. Not just because they are made to shoot 9mm & 40, 45 and so on. I already had a discussion with them about it.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Right, the MPX doesn’t use an AR style plunger ejector, and frankly, the ejector blade on the MPX is superior despite that it has to function with a rotating bolt. On a straight blowback type bolt like the Wilson AR9, it would have made the ejection far more reliable.

          • Big Daddy

            I had issues with the Colt pattern 9mm AR15 that could not be easily solved. The gun was designed for gas operation with a small rifle caliber round not a short fat pistol round. One sub gun that looks really well designed and might make a great carbine is the B&T 9mm. There’s a reason nothing compares to the MP5. After a lot of money I gave up. I’d rather have a gas operated 10mm carbine SBR/pistol than 9mm anyway.

        • Zachary marrs

          You have no clue what you are talking about.

          Go read my comment again, and compare the case head diameter of a 5.56 and 9mm

          Go on, I’ll wait here

          • Big Daddy

            How many 9mm ARs have you built and fired? Go on I’ll wait.

            It has nothing to do with the case diameter.

          • Big Daddy

            It’s not about case diameter. It’s actually more about the length and how it works inside the chamber during extraction. How many have you built, owned and fired? Like I said there is a lot going on during the whole process and being a blow back operation is nothing like a normal AR15.

            Again how many have you built, worked on, fired? I spent maybe 3 grand trying to make a few of these work totally reliably under many situations and they failed. If Wilson can’t do it no wonder I couldn’t. Some people will accept certain quirks with their guns i won’t.

            Go on, I’m waiting? How many did you build?

            I’m here to exchange information and experiences. Nothing else.

          • Zachary marrs

            You said the ejection port needs to be widened.

            It doesn’t.

            Shortened, yes, widened, no.

          • Klaus Von Schmitto

            Why would the port need to be widened, shortened, made longer, made shorter or whatever since this gun “was designed from the ground up” to be a 9MM ? What a load from Wilson.

  • GoodDr

    Every time I see one of these Wilson promotional posts, I can’t help but imagine them like this…

  • datimes

    I bought the 11″ SBR in May and my SOT got it a few weeks ago. Fit and finish, trigger, really nice. This video was a bummer to watch. We plan to go out and shoot it in the next few weeks. 99% of the ammo I’ll be shooting will be my reloads so in the worst case scenario I’ll make something that works. Tax stamp to arrive in 2020 (if I’m lucky).

  • TC

    I bought one of PSA’s dedicated 9mmColt SMG magazine lowers when they came out, topped it off with a slick side upper and a stainless 9mm barrel, magpul furniture, all for about $500. It is way more dependable than the High Dollar Wilson Combat AR9. Why have an AR9 and not some other 9mm carbine? Because it shoots like an AR and has the same controls, so you don’t need to learn a new system. And like another commenter said, with 147gr subsonic, much quieter than a .223.

    • Fox Hunter

      If you want ar controls, get a sig mpx or apc 9, in fact these two have better controls than any ar-15.

  • Lee Enfield

    Blowback, failure to fire, feed fails, BHO fails, sticky magwell, and double feeds all for the price of $2000. That’s a pretty spectacular fail.

    • iksnilol

      But it’s a Wilson, so it is buttery smooth.

      I guess buttery smooth failures are still buttery smooth.

  • BattleshipGrey

    Thanks for telling it how it is James! Few journalists would tell Wilson Combat to get their $h!+ straight. Keep up the good work.

  • Kiran Buenafe

    T-charging handle = fail. I HATE that charging handle. It’s my least favorite thing about the AR15. Why, oh why, couldn’t Wilson give us a side charging handle on their new toy? Many other companies offer side chargers now, both with and without forward assists and dust covers. Most of them even take milspec bolt carriers, just with a modified cam pin. Stop making T-charging handle upper receivers. They suck.

    • CommonSense23

      The charging handle of the AR is online problem if you have a crappy AR.

      • Kiran Buenafe

        No, the T charging handle is just inconvenient and awkward to work. Side charging handles are better.

        • CommonSense23

          Again to work. But it’s out of the way. It doesn’t interfere with the gun in any way while shooting.
          You shouldn’t be using it but to load a round from a closed bolt and to clear the gun.

  • ahil925

    $1500 870 shotgun?
    $2000 blowback PCC?

    Whats next, a $1000 derringer?

    • Beju

      Don’t give them any more ideas.

    • iksnilol

      3000 dollar Mosin sniper rifle.

  • ostiariusalpha

    That Wilson Combat TTU is an amazingly light and crisp trigger, but like almost all light triggers, including Geissele triggers, it does so by having a light spring. Light strike failures on hard primers are almost inevitable on these types of triggers. My AR-15 has a Hiperfire Hipertouch trigger in it, and while it isn’t as crisp as the Wilson or Geissele, it has a set of counter springs in it that make it actually strike the firing pin harder even as you lighten the trigger pull.

    • Zachary marrs

      Geissele’s use milspec springs

      • ostiariusalpha

        No, they very much don’t. None of their sub 3 lb. match triggers are mil-spec, that’s why Geissele makes a separate line of combat triggers that use heavier Springs.

        MIL-C-71186 3.4.3 TRIGGER PULL:
        “The trigger pull shall be free of creep and shall be within the range of 5.5 to 8.5 pounds. Creep shall be interpreted to mean any perceptible rough movement between the time the trigger slack is taken up and the hammer is released. After partial or complete trigger pull, the trigger shall return to its normal forward position (cocked and uncocked) under spring action.”

        • Zachary marrs

          Really? I assume you have proof? Because there is a long video where Mr. Geissele states all of his triggers use full power springs

  • Fox Hunter

    for 2000 $ you can buy that swiss pcc, with full ambi controls. the bad thing about ars with glock mags, mag release is never ambi.

  • Kjk

    James sure does have a face for tv.

    • iksnilol

      I know, I am not even gay but I could make an exception for him.

      It’s like looking at a more tanned version, slightly better looking version of myself.

  • Mark

    $2k gets you a Pakistani MP5 and the $200 stamp these days… Just saying.

  • Blake

    Thanks for the honest review.

    I think I’ll stick to lusting after the Scorpion EVO 3 S1 (for 1/3rd the price), but what I really want is a GSG MP-40 carbine

  • iksnilol

    But it uses Glock mags, which means you save a buncha money.

    • Joseph Goins

      Glock sucks. #startthebutthurt

  • Klaus Von Schmitto

    Designed from the ground up huh? Really? Then why does that magazine look like it’s sticking into something that the forging was designed to fit an AR15 magazine into? A lot of commenters have said it but I’ll say it again. An MP5 is handier and was actually designed around the 9MM cartridge and is cheaper to boot.

  • Pseudo

    James, I’m surprised at how easy you are on this thing. I know how you love the MPX. I think it’s seriously overpriced. This thing is more expensive and less reliable. That alone should be pretty damning. And I actually laughed when it didn’t work properly with the ammo they sent you. Also, can we collectively agree to stop with the BS “Well, we can’t expect it to ignite Wolf primers!”? All of my handguns will eat Wolf 9mm all day long with no problems. I don’t expect to get great performance out of it, but I expect it to work. Especially in a $2k carbine. That’s completely unacceptable in my book.

  • john huscio

    Thought Wilson combat started making Glock mag for a second.

  • You can but from past experience they are held until the link can be checked. I wish we didn’t have to but some people screw things up for everyone else.

    • Klaus Von Schmitto

      Gotcha. Makes sense.

  • gunsandrockets

    So the name of this carbine isn’t AR9G, it’s really the “ARG-9”!

  • WZ in WA

    I do have to admit, I openly blurted out ‘who the hell would pay $2000 for a 9mm AR and then put cheap crap steel/aluminum-cased, lacquered/Wolf ammo through it?’ …and dude, WD40? really? Having said that, the gun still should have functioned better than it did, and they should have made sure it worked before they sent it back. But still, sheesh. That’s like buying a Ferrari and fueling it up with the leftover gas from your lawnmower. Brutal.

  • Spencerhut

    We get guns with WD40 in the shop all the time, that stuff turns to glue after it sits a while.

    Don’t use WD40 on guns.

  • flyfishr

    WD40 isn’t a lubricant, it’s a solvent and rust dissolver. So maybe the issues were user error. You have to watch until 16:40 when he says he “lubed the bolt with WD40”

  • CountryBoy

    I believe Palmetto now has a Glock-compatible lower available to be mated with your (or their) choice of 9mm uppers for a few hundred bucks.

  • L ynn Gabehart

    Tooooo much money for what you get. Alot of other 9mm carbine out their for good money they take Flock mags.