Glock Recall Update: Indy Metro PD Releases A Statement

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Yesterday we posted about the Glock 17M being recalled by Indianapolis Police Department due to the slides falling off the front of the gun during dry fire training. Since then The Firearm Blog has received more information about how many were recalled as well as an official statement from IMPD with some preliminary information.

Glock Talk user “Robocop” who has proven to be privy to details regarding the rollout of the new service pistol since well before IMPD took delivery and TFB was able to leak the photos. Robocop posted the below message right about the same time that we broke the story of the recall. Robocop states that there were about 150 pistols issued that were being recalled and replaced with the Glock 22s that the new 17M was intended to replace. Thankfully IMPD wasn’t too deep into the issue process.

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Indianapolis Metro Police Department responded to our request to verify the recall and provided some preliminary findings and what the plan going forward for the new Glock.

Major Riddle of IMPD said in an email:

Our range staff believes this issue is isolated to a few guns, but for officer safety, we voluntarily recalled the weapons. We are working with Glock to determine the cause and work towards a mutually agreeable fix.

It appears that the range staff have identified the issue in only a small number of guns and wisely recalled the whole lot in the interest of officer safety. Our speculation is the issue could be caused by only a couple things, the first being a weak coil spring holding the slide lock in place instead of the flat spring that was found on the previous generations. Another possibility is that the slide locks were inserted backwards or manufactured incorrectly.

It appears that we are going to have to wait to hear what Glock’s findings are about the failure. Once TFB is made aware of more information we will update you on the fix as well as when IMPD gets their guns issued to the officers again.



Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and works in the shooting sports industry. He is an avid recreational shooter and a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially handguns and the AR-15 platform. Patrick may be contacted at tfbpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • Porty1119

    It happens. Good thing the issue was caught before the weapons were distributed more widely.

    • Cal S.

      I don’t know, I think that slide would have done some damage at 300fps. I mean, getting back on target would be troubling since, yano, no sights anymore.

      I wonder what the energy would have been?

      • Sunshine_Shooter

        Substantial.

  • John

    As long as they still have the big red sticker that says “Point this end at criminal”!

    • Anonymoose

      “Pull trigger, throw towards enemy, and take cover.”

  • Evan

    …but but but but “GLAWK PERFEKSHUN!”

    • Evan

      I saw someone saying “Glock perfection *snort*” I don’t have a comment on glocks because I’ve never fired one, but I thought it was funny.

      • Anonymoose

        Glocks aren’t bad. They get the job done, at least when they are proven like the Generation 3s and the new-prod Gen4s. Their knives and shovels are their best products, though.

        • Evan

          (I’m original commenter) Oh yeah, they’re a fine gun; but just like any other manufacturer there’s a few lemons that make it out.

          Just couldn’t resist ribbing the well known Cult-of-Gaston followers out there.

          • Kivaari

            I have now used them for 25 plus years and have seen a few problems. The early recall of the 17-19s where the FP, FP safety and trigger assembly needed replacing. There were also issues with the M21 where the entire slide assembly needed replacing.

        • iksnilol

          For Glock it is seemingly any new gen that is lemonade. I mean gen 4 messed up majorly in the beginning, now gen 5 is doing the same thing.

          • Evan

            True that. Glock has a far simpler inventory than say Sig or S&W. It does lead one to wonder why they have so many “teething” problems with a new launch, especially considering this one seems to be a Gen 4 with a tarted up Gen 1/2 frame…

            BTW, you ever heard of the Glock DEA tests?

          • iksnilol

            No, I did not hear about Glock DEA tests. What happened then? Coke infused frames that confused the drug dogs?

          • Evan

            No, no.
            The DEA went to the Glock, as did the FBI and a lot of LEO and Gov agencies, but the US DEA is known for having a test, commonly referred to as the “Frisbee test”, thanks to Glock.

            First, a little background, or “why, if I’m a gun guy, don’t have any Glocks in my collection”, because I’m asked that all the time.

            Anyway, Jan. 2,1992 . A Suffolk County, New York Police officer was preparing for his late duty shift, when alone in his home when getting ready to leave, he grabbed his issued Glock 19, inserted a magazine and racked the slide. IT DISCHARGED. Alarmed, he actually contacts his range officer to inform him that his gun malfunctioned. It was immediately concluded that the officer had to have his finger on the trigger when he racked the slide and that caused the Accidental Discharge.
            The officer refused this explanation and demanded his gun be “checked”.
            The Range officer walked outside the building (NOT TO THE RANGE interestingly, that became a big hub-bub later) to educate the officer on how to keep his finger off the trigger. Loaded a magazine, racked the slide and put a hole in the ground. This of course vindicated the officer’s statement. After the range officer accidental-discharged, they moved to the range and repeated the “slam-fire” 2 more times confirming the malfunction. A 3rd slam fire sent the gun into a three-shot burst.

            It caused a recall on all Glocks. It was the first “recall” on a firearm of this scale effecting somewhere between 385,000 to 500,000 Glock Handguns, That represents 100% of guns made until that date, and it took until 1998 to have even Glock itself (quietly) declare that they got them all.

            Officially the problem was blamed on too short of rails on the frame, and is actually one of the best indicators of what early Gen Glock you have. There are actually 3 versions of Frame rails in a Generation 1…

            Anyway, the DEA’s Frisbee test consists of “weapons, with magazine inserted, will be thrown six times, three times in such a way as to land on the right side and three times in such a way as to land on the left side. The throw will be for a distance of approximately fifteen feet, not to exceed a height of approximately four feet, to land on a floor of quarry tile or concrete.”

            It took no less than multiple Freedom Of Information Act requests to finally allowed the public to see the Glock’s test results:

            “Throw test: Frame 479 (with) slide 318, 1st throw left side the slide came off both rear rails. Frame 474 (with) slide 479, 1st throw right side slide came off right rear rails, rear pistol grip under landyard{sic} loop hole cracked and broke the grip after throw test, pulled the trigger would not fire. Tap, Rack, Bang would result in function of the weapon. Frame 477 (with) slide 305, slide came off right side rear rails on the first throw. Frame 318 (with) slide 474, 1st drop rear of pistol grip broken by the landyard{sic} loop hole. Based on the failure of the slides coming off the rear rails it was concluded that the weapons would not be further tested. Therefore no firing of the weapons took place after the throw test….”

            This info is from the April 1992 issue of American Handgunner,
            A New York newspaper, Newsday, reported on the incidents, but Glock quickly claimed the information was inaccurate, and was evidently passed on by a disgruntled member of the department. Glock also claimed an un-named competitor faxed the New York newspaper article all over the country.

          • iksnilol

            Sorta glad I don’t have a Glock. My clumsiness shouldn’t lead me to having to chase small parts all over my floor.

            But yes, so it means that throwing Glocks is/was dangerous bidness? Thanks for the info, I did not know about these tests.

          • Evan

            Sure. I remembered from other articles you stating you didn’t much care for them. (Though I’m not registered, I post sometimes but read the comments often.) But yeah, I’m not surprised you haven’t heard. I’m in the US, and I only know because my father keeps his old Guns and Ammo, American Handgunner, etc. as “mementos from back when I had money and no kids”. (*gives me the evil eye*)

            Those magazines are a blast from the past, and started my love affair at the ripe age of 9 or 10 I think it was…

            I still fawn for a slightly used Walther P88 in a woodgrain-print cardboard box…

          • iksnilol

            I’M A STUDENT FOR CRINYG OUT LOUD, I NEED TO SAVE MONEY WHERE I CAN. IF IT MEANS NO GLOCKS THEN SO BE IT!

            But yeah, I dunno, I always liked guns. I just find them “easy”. Starting to move up on cars since I got my license, they’re considerably harder.

          • Evan

            Tell me about it man. My left front wheel bearing is worn, and I’ve just put in 3 days of overtime trying to decide if I should let the shop do the work or save some cash and get a bearing puller, etc.

            But yeah, I totally agree. Guns are relatively simple, at the end of the day, they’re just machines. It’s interesting if not fun to see how people from different countries and cultures approached the engineering problems, mass production aspects, etc., just the same as cars.

          • iksnilol

            I think some of my bearings aren’t okay either. OR my tires are worn.

            All the same, I can’t go fast until I fix that crap.

            True, and unlike cars you can more than afford to have multiple guns.

          • john huscio

            Not very many small parts to lose from a glock

          • I remember that because my duty gun was sent back during that recall.

          • Evan

            Yeah. Most guys who are aware of it, I find these days, are former LEOs who’s duty guns were caught up in it. Otherwise, people are generally oblivious.

          • Kivaari

            We had a department armorer (been to the Glock one day sales pitch) and he replaced dozens of the repair kits. I can seen the dlam fire happening. The firing pins and FP safety plungers were marked up and could cause a FP to jam with the nose out. Like a STEN gun firing pin. We never had any gun do that, but over the years I saw quite a few guns with the damaged parts.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            Maybe they use their customers as the testing/proving ground. Hey, if a few die in the process, what do they call it? Collateral damage.

        • totenglocke

          Glocks are reliable, I’ll definitely give them that. But my god, they have one of the mushiest triggers I’ve ever felt. If I ever buy a Glock (I’ll probably get their new 6″ 10mm at some point), I’ll definitely grab an aftermarket trigger ASAP.

          • Gary barner

            Try the McNally trig, better and cheaper than ALL others. Google it, contact me. Independent Glock refitted!

        • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

          Knives and shovels…LOL!

          • Anonymoose

            Best damn knives and shovels around!

      • Karl

        I have 3 Glocks…17 19 and 31….all 3 perform flawlessly. I like how people criticize something they have never tried.

  • Bill

    A rail with one slot seems…odd. I wonder if that limits it to one particular light, and if so, what’s going to happen when that light gets updated/replaced/is no longer produced/is unavailable. Clearly there’s room for more 1913 spec slots.

    • Anonymoose

      Surefire X-series lights come with an adapter for the Glock rail and the old SIG Pro rail, among others.

  • Bob

    If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. I don’t see any reason to futz with the internals, just eliminate the finger grooves, flare the mag well, etc, those are the improvements that matter. And if you keep the internals the same you have interchangeable parts. Eh, what do my opinions matter anyway…

  • Chandler P

    My dad has a Gen 2 Glock 23. I once did a detailed takedown of the gun and after I reassembled it I had the same issue the FBI is reporting. It didn’t happen every time I dry fired, but if it was held it at a certain angle the slide would come off. Turns out I had installed the takedown lever in backwards. Flipped it around, and it worked perfectly. I wonder if that’s the issue. Any input?

    • Bob

      If you put in the recoil spring assembly on a Browning Hi Power upside down the slide release will try to keep jumping out and damage to the gun could result. Don’t ask how I know that…

    • rennsport4.4TV8

      This the Indianapolis police department reporting this. Not the FBI.

      • Chandler P

        My apoligies I’m still in the whole mindset of “Glock winning the FBI contract”

    • It is possible you bet—-

    • Panzer

      Ive had 4 gen 2, never happened and I wont sell the 3 I have now.. …didnt sell the other…….she just wont give it back……..

    • richard scalzo

      The slide fell off my G23 Gen 3 a few years back right after firing it.

  • Triforce

    Came for the Glock news. Stayed for the funny tags.

  • Joseph Goins

    Major Riddle, indeed.

  • Lew Siffer

    Our firearms manufacturers need to tell the FBI that they are not only Famous But Incompetent concerning investigations and counterintelligence but that they are also incompetent firearms designers. The days are long past when we looked up to the FBI choice of firearms. The 10mm fiasco was over a quarter century ago. My Glocks work fine, I will not buy one “improved” by a committee of overpaid underworked bureau-crats.

    • marine6680

      Most think that the FBI wanted the new Sig 320… As they issued a very detailed list of features they wanted and did not want. A list that seemed made to isolate the possible options to only the Sig, and to eliminate the Glock from being a possibility.

      Then the suits got involved, and since Glock already had a foothold, the suits handed the Glock guys the requirements… So Glock made a special version just to meet the specs.

      It wasn’t the goal of the FBI to get an improved Glock.

      That’s the prevailing hypothesis anyway.

      • DonDrapersAcidTrip

        I love reading armchair redneck conspiracy theories about the federal governments attempts to emasulate firearm users

        • Lew Siffer

          President Trump is going to give you plenty to whine about.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            lmao your hero

          • Enough guy now you’re just stirring the pot for no reason.

          • Lew Siffer

            I don’t think it’s nice, you laughing.

        • billyoblivion

          Are you utterly unfamiliar with how government procurement works, or are you just a troll on the internet?

        • John Yossarian

          I made the mistake of clicking this twat’s name to find pages of nothing but discombobulated anger – Pathetic really.

          • DonDrapersAcidTrip

            All I have to do is type the word redneck and you all lose it

          • Sgt. Stedenko

            I dont know too many rednecks that read Joseph Heller.
            Go troll elsewhere, child.

  • MisterSandman

    So perfect they start the takedown process for you.

    • The_manBEar

      Convenient AF

    • Zachary marrs

      Just need to get with Taurus or remington to get their hands on autonomous firing technology

      • Anonymoose

        Remington already has the edge on that from partnering with Tracking Point.

  • DanGoodShot

    I think that the guns where intercepted during delivery and purposely messed with by the BLM or the Oblama admin. I’m telling you, this is a CONSPIRACY!!! Seriously though, I’m sure it’s going to be something simple and quickly fixed. But I will say a slide falling off a gun is a major malfunction. Or its just the new L&H line by glock.(Laurel and Hardy). I could go on all day with this one! Lol

    • Anonymoose

      While we’re on the topic of conspiracy theories,

      • Gary Kirk

        That should be atf

  • pilot25

    Get what you pay for…

  • marine6680

    I am guessing they mean the takedown tab piece, and not the slide stop… I don’t see the slide stop causing a self disassembly issue.

    • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

      The “takedown tab piece” is called the slide lock. You are thinking of the slide stop.

      • marine6680

        I don’t speak Glock, as I’m not a “Glock guy”

        Most just say slide stop and leave off lever. And I knew disassembly lever was not right, as it’s not really a lever.

        Similar names for two parts…

        But Glock can name the parts as they see fit, it is their design.

  • DataMatters

    Front fell off.

  • Big Daddy

    I really don’t understand what was wrong with the G17 to begin with that needed upgrading. I will say the SIG 320 is probably a better gun but I prefer my glocks for many reasons.

    • Anonymoose

      The FBI and Indy PD already had Gen 3 G22s. If they wanted to go back to 9mm they should have just bought conversion barrels and been done with it.

      • Kivaari

        Many of the Federal agencies replaced pistols every three years whether needed or not.

        • mig1nc

          And we get to buy cheap police trade-ins 🙂

        • Bill

          TOO many of them. I’d wager that the typical 3 year old fed gun, after basic training/investigator training, has less than 250 rounds a year fired thru it, if that.

          • Robocop

            Customs has probably the lowest firearms requirements out of many fed agencies and the round count for a qual is 30 rounds (sheesh), shot twice in a session, 4 times a year which brings it to 240rnds a year. Quals are twice a year for customs so only 120 rounds a year lately. I believe the HK p2000 was issued in 2008 IIRC. Proficiency ammo was issued for a few years with H&K (about 200rns on average), so we’ll round it to 500 rounds a year. I got on in 2011 and last I checked maintenance logs my round count is at about 5k. Personal ammunition is allowed for practice at least in CBP as of late, and some agencies have pistol competition teams so their round counts are probably quite high. A lot of older guys have over 10k rounds through their guns. Not so say that they don’t create waste by scrapping perfectly good guns, but the rounds counts do get up there on some before they’re retired. At least for my agency they’re traded in and sold. Ours get turned back in and are sometimes kept local for reissue for when somebody’s gun goes down (broken firing pins mostly). I only know of border patrol, air and marine, customs, and HSI. Out of those, none of them trade anything in after 3 years, or at all until the weapon goes down. Even in case of a weapon going bad they will issue a replacement and then return the weapon to service once it’s repaired.

            edit: Not the Robocop mentioned in the article.

          • Bill

            Then you’ve got the US Mint Police, Library of Congress Police (though I think they got assimilated), the gunslingers at the National Cathedral, the National Marine Fisheries Service…

            I was always under the impression that the Border Patrol went through ammo by the ton, both in practice, and not.

          • Robocop

            It’s different from AOR to AOR but BP doesn’t blow through as much ammo as they used to, specialty units excluded. A lot of ammo was showing up on backpage/armslist so that was cut back a decent bit. They have a 60rnd qual so that probably puts them at +/- 500 rnds a year. Most of the DHS ammo numbers floating around are for contract pricing and not actual purchase amounts, not by a long shot (mainly that one in the news a year or two ago).

        • Nicks87

          I dont think thats true but if you have a reference I’d like to see it. Most usually go by round count. I dont think any civilian oversight would allow that kind of wasteful spending. My duty weapon only sees about 1K rounds per year. It would be a shame to replace it after only three years/3K rounds. My last duty weapon was a Beretta 92 and it had 11K through it before it got replaced. Only the springs had ever been replaced snd the rest of the gun was in great condition. Now, if they are required to buy their own weapon (which some are) they might decide to replace it every three years but thats on them not the agency.

          • Kivaari

            I don’t remember the source. It was just one of many articles in a half-dozen magazines that I read monthly.
            My department changed out pistols every 5 years, giving the guns to the regular officers as an incentive to take better care of them.

    • DamnYankee

      I have both and would disagree about the Sig P320 being a better gun.

  • Gregory

    Why is there only one locking block pin on the gun being shown? Why would Glock take a step backwards by using one pin instead of two? I remember the issue with the single pin breaking and the change to two pins. Is this an actual picture of the 17M or a photo shopped picture?

    • I suspect that the G43 locking block is being used in the G17M. Several other G43 parts appear to be present as well.

      • NewMan

        What’s special about the G43 locking block?

        • I suspect that they are trying standardize parts across the 9mm models. A side benefit might be that any of the longer barrels in the M-series could fit the shorter models.

          • tankton

            I personally think it is to allow clearance with the ambi-slide lever.

  • The_manBEar

    Still … In for 2

    • iksnilol

      A back up for when the first one disassembles? 😛

      • Sgt. Stedenko

        Parts kit

  • Good thing they caught it. Anyone heard about it happening anywhere else?

  • Hoplopfheil

    Hey TFB, it seems like your site is hosting some heavy duty adware/spam/virus stuff for mobile browsers.

    Haven’t been able to check on my phone for a few days, all I get is redirects and the like.

    • FarmerB

      I don’t see it.

    • Sgt. Stedenko

      Quit watching porn on your mobile.
      It hasnt affected my mobile

    • I’ll have it checked but I haven’t seen it and none of the writers have emailed me about it.

  • mk18

    Personally, I think Glock should have just done a Gen 4 with the 17M’s
    magwell, no finger grooves and front nose profile. There was really no
    need to change the internals/locking block.

  • Reed Cz

    @TFB: You’ve got some pretty aggressive adware/malware infecting your mobile version. It keeps redirecting me to a BS App Store involuntarily.

    • We don’t have a mobile version app. You can make a TFB icon and have it link to TFB but a full app nope not ours.

    • You using a browser instead on your phone?

      • Uncle Festet

        I had the same problem with Safari on my iPad. Deployed the double secret ad blocker to stop it.

      • Reed Cz

        Yes, my mistake in terminology. I’m using Safari on an iPhone. This does not occur on other sites.

  • Michael Knight

    That’s what happens when you want a light weight Mattel firearm.

    • Sgt. Stedenko

      Fischer Price markets to children, just like Glock.

  • Pete Sheppard

    If you mess with what works, too often it doesn’t work as well…

  • Uncle Festet

    The product is “defective” if someone reassembles it improperly?

  • IndyToddrick

    Funny how the current Goock 22’s are good enough for every LEO in the country, but not the current Glock 17’s. So what exactly is it about the 17M that makes it better than both the 17 and 22?

    • Nashvone

      The 17M doesn’t have finger grooves on the front strap and a flared magwell unlike the Gen4 Glocks.

  • billyoblivion

    Well, one out of three is pretty bad.

    Yes, Suits get together.

    These “Suits” write a spec. Often they do work really, really hard to write a spec that only one producer on the market can meet at the time of writing. Other times they have a dream and *just* *magically* wind up with a spec that only one company can meet.

    This is not a conspiracy, it is not a sign that something illegal has gone on (though intentionally writing the spec such that only one maker can meet it might be–I really have no idea), heck I don’t think it’s even that unusual.

    My mom got a job once (back in the 80s) because the guy who had the open req wanted *HER* for the job, and basically wrote the job description such that maybe 3 people in the US could meet it. And yes, it was a government (state university) job.

    So the notion that a bunch of government types got together and wrote a specification that, at the time, only Sig could meet is really, really easy to believe.

    That Glock redesigned two of their models on the fly to meet it is a *bit* unusual, but capitalism is a wonderful thing, no?

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      Why is this even addressed at me?

  • Geoff Timm

    If, as stated below, the problem is a single part reversed on assembly, could we be seeing individual officers either carelessly or deliberately exceeding their level of maintenance and reassembling the pistols wrong? Geoff Who was an Armament Inspector who saw many cases of weapons damage via exceeding levels of maintenance.

  • I can only imagine how disconcerting it must be to dry-fire your newly issued service weapon and then watch the slide fall on the floor.

  • The IT guys are supposed to be fixing the problem

  • Duncan Adams

    I suspect that Dale True was given a good one to test and that it was good . He I believe would have been asked to test the weapon before the Dep. would buy a slug of them and knowing the person that he was and is purported to be would have but the gun to a good test .

  • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

    I own a large number of Glocks…and one thing I know…they are NOT perfect. That is why so many “upgrades” are available commercially. Of course Glock never wants to hear that his guns are not “perfect”. It must be nice for these Police departments to mothball or auction off a Glock 22 .40 S&W and replace it with the pea shooter 9mm, all at the local TAXPAYERS expense. Maybe they want to practice more while on duty as that is about what the 9mm round is good for. PRACTICE.

  • BigFED

    As I said on another discussion about the same thing,

    “Ironic that many of the first and second generation Glock’s are still running with NO problems. It all started with the “new” multi-part recoil spring!!! There was NOTHING wrong with the two piece recoil spring/guide. I had a first generation M-19 that ran just fine, but I wanted to “improve” it so I replaced it with a titanium guide. Had all sorts of FTF/FTE. Went back to the OEM, run and still running!!!

    I point out that the Glock original “motto” was one word. “PERFECTION”, so how in the helll did they improve “PERFECTION”??? If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!!!”

  • Reed Cz

    Yes, mistaken terminology on my part. Using the Safari browser on an iPhone.

  • Mike Lashewitz

    “Wisely recalled the whole lot”??

    How about simple common sense instead? They actually used common sense. Which today seems to be a “Super Power”.

  • The Concerned Conservative

    When you buy Glock you get crap…but at least it’s cheap crap.

  • kcshooter

    Perfection is… the slide falling off of your new duty gun.

  • richard scalzo

    The slide fell off my Glock 23 a few years back. The spring and slide lock were real crap at best. The spring was replaced and the slide lock was replaced with a better quality aftermarket unit. Thankfully it happened in a competition setting as it was our duty gun.

    Odd that it happened to the G17 as it was more common with the 40 S&W versions.