Whatever Happened To Kalashnikov USA’s Guns?

Photo courtesy of Nathaniel F.

Photo courtesy of Nathaniel F.

Remember a while back that we were supposed to be getting Kalashnikov guns that were built right here in the USA? I seem to vaguely recall  TFB covering Kalashnikov USA’s new product line at SHOT 2016 where they gave a tentative release date of Spring of 2016. Like you might have noticed spring has passed and doing a quick search on Gunbroker gave me no results for the AK pattern shotguns. With the changes that Kalashnikov USA has gone through since announcing their intentions to build the US made AKs we shouldn’t be surprised that production is running a little behind schedule.

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I reached out to a source over at Kalashnikov USA and asked about where the missing product line might be, after all unless I want to overpay for a Saiga there are few good options for a magazine fed 12 gauge right now. Our source indicated that they will be shipping the shotguns starting in August of this year with the rifles to follow shortly after around the end of September.

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Are you waiting for any of the upcoming Kalashnikov USA offerings? How many of you guys are chomping at the bit for the 9mm AK or the Alfa rifle that Nathaniel F. covered earlier this year?



Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and works in the shooting sports industry. He is an avid recreational shooter and a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially handguns and the AR-15 platform. Patrick may be contacted at tfbpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • JSIII

    I really hope these guys get set up and squared away , I also hope they bring over some talent from mother Russia to oversee this so we don’t end up with yet another crappy domestic AK manufacturer. The 9MM AK looks really cool but I will reserve judgement pending a review as well as the availability and COST of mags.

  • Jay

    Is this a company owned by the real Russian company, or that bunch from Florida, who decided to use the embargo on Russia to rip the original designers off?

    • albi

      “rip the original designers off”? Oh! You mean like LITERALLY every AK producer in the world except Kalashnikov Concern?

      • iksnilol

        Yeah, but at least other producers have the decency to not steal the name.

      • Jay

        The original company is called “Kalashnikov Concern” and it’s a registered trademark. This scumbags in florida are just ripoff artists, who not only are planing to release ripoff products, but also stole the name of the original company.
        In any country, where the rule of law is respected, this guys would not have been allowed to register their company with that name.
        But because we are talking about a Russian company, and the psychopaths in Washington do everything in their power to undermine and isolate Russia, it’s perfectly fine, to cheat the American customers into believing they get an original product.
        This is bloody disgusting.

        • JoshCalle

          Are all your AR15s Armalites? Are all your 1911s Colts? Have you bought pretty much any modern pistol that ripped off John Browning’s tilting barrel mechanism? If so then you need to sit back down.

          • The Russians are Coming

            HK wanted to name their new carbine HK M4. Didn’t happen. Colt sued them, now it’s called HK 416. Because it’s not M4.

            And so, that “Kalashnikov USA” is not a part of Kalashnikov Concern, and their product is not even a correct reproduction of the Kalashnikov Concern’s product.

            That is what is called a “gimmick”.

          • Gary Kirk

            AK4716… Work for everyone?? I (although do not prefer the AK platform..) do want a quality AK.. “Why?” Why not.. But, alas.. I live in Maryland, so couldn’t buy one if I wanted.. 🙁

          • Cymond

            I have a cousin whose name can’t be shortened into a nickname, and it used to bother him.
            So one day I got to thinking, and came up with the abomi-nomer “Elizabethany”.

          • Cymond

            Is there any confusion on the manufacturer of those AR-15s or 1911s? Does anyone buy a Stag Arms and think it’s from Armalite? Does anyone confuse Kimber with Colt?
            I don’t think so.

            But yeah, some people probably do confuse the new Springfield Armory with the old Springfield Armory, or Rock Island Armory with Rock Island Arsenal, or the new Henry Repeating Arms with the old New Haven Arms Company that made the Henry repeating rifle.

            Gee, it’s almost like some of these companies want to confuse their customers, building on an established name despite having no real connection to the original.

          • DanGoodShot

            Oh oh oh, Dont forget about Sharps! Cause you know, Sharps Rifle Company is the same as the Sharps of yesteryear! Tongue firmly planted into cheek

    • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

      Kalashnikov USA is not connected to Kalashnikov Concern.

    • wetcorps

      The original designer didn’t get much out of his invention in the first place, the USSR being what it was.

      • The Russians are Coming

        And what it was?

        The cleaners and the night guards on the Izhmash plant had salaries of about 20% of the general managers salaries. All people had a place to live of their own, free higher education and medical care.

        • Malthrak

          The same Izhmash plant that routinely had trouble paying workers? The same Izhmash that inspired Soviet political cartoons about not being able to buy matresses?

          Izhevsk has never been a city of great wealth or standards of living. They got the basics *usually* covered, but lets not make it out like it was awesome either.

          • The Russians are Coming

            No plant, Izhmash or not Izhmash, in the USSR had such troubles. Don’t confuse the socialist Soviet Union with the modern liberal-capitlism mongrel called Russian Federation.

          • JoshCalle

            Are you really trying to defend communism? Are you seriously trying to defend the ideology that killed so many of my parents’ friends? I sincerely hope you are not American, go stand in your two mile food line for some beets.

          • The Russians are Coming

            I am not American. I am from Europe. But I was born and raised in the USSR, and have lived in other countries too, left for the capitalism in the 90’s, and I defend not the communism but the social justice and common sense. Most countries in Europe have achieved a better quality of life than you have there in the US, and that happened not without learning some good lessons from the Soviets. Beleive it or not. That’s what I’m defending.

          • Gary Kirk

            “Left for the capitalism” Then commend said “social” justice.. Is that like me as a hard working married man with a child having to make a mortgage payment for health insurance, so the assclowns that don’t work can have the same coverage??

          • The Russians Are Coming

            No.

            Social justice is when medical care is free or almost free for all people, as well as higher education. That’s how it is in most European countries.

            Social justice is when there is no people sleeping on the streets, while at the same time some people are sleeping in 10,000 dollar beds in their 10,000,000 dollar houses.

          • Dan

            The only way it could be any easier to get those people from sleeping on the streets and to a job would be if i pulled up in my car and drove them to fill out paper work. There are hundreds of programs in the U.S. to help these people and I come across so many in a year that are simply too lazy to be bothered with it. They don’t want a job that pays them less than they think they should make. Native Americans by far turn their noses up at all the guaranteed stuff for them. Free healthcare yet majority have poor health, free education yet very few make it out of highschool to go to college. Before you comment on how down trodden American people are come live here, come do my job and just see where the problem really is. “You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink” fits the situation so well.

          • The Russians Are Coming

            That’s a Social Darwinist opinion. Right-Liberal bullcrap.

            First, people are not born on the streets, all of them got there because of some kind of failure in their lives, and something like that can happen to most of those who don’t have enough cash to deal with serious troubles, like law suits, divorses, traumas etc.

            Ones a person is on the streets, there is no such thing as just “filling a paperwork” to get out of there. It can take years, rehabilitation is a long process. In the US, there is no infrastructure that is taking care of these people in a sufficient manner, that’s the reason of the problem.

            At the same time, there is the other side of that coin, which is an incredible amount of super-rich, as can be seen just by looking at places like Malibu, etc. In Europe, there is no such places, and no people on the streets also. Riches pay huge taxes, and these taxes are used to cover free education, free housing, free medical care and rehabilitation programs.

            That is, in my humble opinion, a better model for the 21 century society. In the US, you live in a modern feudalism, calling that “capitalism” for some reason, you live in a decadent world, calling it “liberalism” for some reason.

          • Malthrak

            I’m not confusing anything. Not all enterprises function well all the time. Soviet industry occasionally faltered. Just like US industrial entities like Colt that sometimes had the same problems.

          • TheMaster

            They had trouble paying their workers following the Collapse of the USSR in the 90’s – NEVER during the Soviet Times. Not sure what the heck you’re talking about with “political cartoons”. Probably a Western invention. Workers had their basic needs taken care off, which included vacations, medicine, kindergarten, school and even university for their kids.

          • Malthrak

            Not unless Pravda was a western invention XD

            As for everything being just amazing under Soviet times, well, if you want to live that fantasy, go right ahead, but, much like in the US, not everything was peachy keen in yesteryear.

        • wetcorps

          I’m not disagreeing, but here is not the place for such debates 🙂

      • Tritro29

        Because the State owned the rights of patent…so what’s the fuss? There’s a lot of Western “Democracies” where people designed weapons and got the same treatment as MikhTim. Ask the guys at MANURHIN in France. Americans need to wake up and smell the coffee, they’re pretty much alone out there when it comes to these things.

    • Elijah Decker

      Even if the AK47 Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, and AKM were patented in Soviet Russia (they weren’t), the patents would long since have expired anyways, so nobody is ripping off anyone’s products here. The name, however, might be a basis for Trademark infringement.

      • ostiariusalpha

        And, of course, the outer design aesthetics are covered by trademark.

      • The Russians are Coming

        The design was patented. Some countries were licenced to make their own AKs. Some countries reverse-engineered them. But except for Israel, no one messed it up to the point of making a variant that doesn’t stand to the original AK’s reputation.

        • Malthrak

          Well, it was kinda sorta patented after the fact. The USSR military industrial complex under which the Kalashnikov led team designed the AK didnt recognize the concept of “patents” at the time the way we do now. It just didnt fit into socialist planned economy philosophy.

          • The Russians are Coming

            That is not true. Patents used to be respected, and the USSR bought licences to produce cars, for example, from Italians, and the socialist planned economic model was not as bad as people think.

          • Malthrak

            The USSR didnt create patents for state created products however the way companies do now. Sure theyd buy licenses from other nations for stuff, but thats the only way they could get access to them. Neither Izhmash not Kalashnikov were given patents issued by the USSR for the AK designs when the rifles were designed and issued because the idea of a patent in a planned economy for domestic production of a state developed item served no purpose.

          • The Russians are Coming

            Russia To Defend AK-47 Assault Rifle Copyright

            Russia will step up action to defend the copyright of the Kalashnikov, which is made without license by dozens of manufacturers around the world, said Anatoly Isaikin, the chief of the nation’s state arms-trading monopoly.

            The counterfeit production of Kalashnikovs outside Russia has incurred financial losses, tarnished the brand because of their poor quality and dented the country’s prestige abroad, Isaikin said Thursday.

            “Their quality bears no comparison to a Kalashnikov produced in Russia,” Isaikin told reporters at a shooting range in the town of Klimovsk, 25 kilometers south of Moscow.

            Isaikin said his company, Rosoboronexport, was working to draft agreements with foreign countries that would protect copyright for Kalashnikovs and other Russian weapons. There are about 30 foreign manufacturers who are currently making Kalashnikovs, he said.

            “Together with other federal structures, we are taking steps to establish order,” Isaikin said.

            The Soviet Union paid little attention to copyright laws, easily handing out arms production licenses to its satellites in eastern Europe and elsewhere. The Cold War-era production licenses have long-since expired, but production has continued.

            It wasn’t until 1997 that the Izhmash factory in the Ural Mountains city of Izhevsk, which makes Kalashnikovs, secured a state patent for the weapon and began pressing foreign manufacturers to respect its copyright.

            Izhmash director Vladimir Grodetsky said the company has faced an uphill battle, loosing an estimated $400 million to $500 million a year from counterfeit Kalashnikov makers.

          • Malthrak

            That pretty much points out exactly what I was saying, the USSR paid little attention to the concept of Intellectual Property in regards to copyrights and patents, no patent was granted until the rifle was almost 50 years old and the USSR had been gone for several years.

            Enforcement of that patent is impossible, mostly because if backdated to the 1940’s it would be expired, and if not then dozens of others countries and companies can prove prior art (producing it long before 1997), and even if they couldn’t, its most generous expiration date would be next year.

            Calling non-Izhmash made AK’s “counterfeit” under such circumstances is a wee bit silly.

          • Tritro29

            It’s not silly, the Name of the Company is Kalashnikov, the guns are called Kalashnikov. There’s a reason why Arsenal & Co call their Kalashnikov paterns SLR, AR et… And yes calling non Izhmash made AK’s counterfeit is totally logical. You don’t call a copied Ford in China a Ford, but a Geely or whatever they used to call them.

            I’m going to repeat this one more time, stop talking about things you clearly don’t understand.

          • Malthrak

            They call them things other than “Kalashnikov” because “Kalashnikov” because it’s both a generic term (the way say, Aspirin was trademarked by Bayer but has become a generic, non-copyrightable term in the US) and because it’s an easy identifier to get your products banned in silly gun control laws. Banning “Kalashnikov” rifles is easy, figuring out what the heck a SAM7R is and banning it takes a bit more effort that nobody has done yet.

            Speaking of things I apparently don’t understand, one will notice none of these makers used “Kalashnikov” even before KC existed, and before the Russian Federation ever attempted to even issue a patent on the design. Arsenal for example has been using “SLR” instead of “AK” or “Kalashnikov” since the early 90’s.

          • Marc

            Saying “I’m going to repeat this one more time, stop talking about things you clearly don’t understand” doesn’t prove to anyone that you understand.

            If Ford did not file a patent until 50 years later then yes, they could call them a Ford in China but since Ford did and Ford is still producing cars under Ford..

          • Secundius

            There’s an American Company that Makes Reproduction Military Grade Weapons for the American Government and Civil (Limited) buy usage. Their AK-47, is US Designated US132SS, RPG-7 US Designated PSRL-1, and an Advanced RPG-7 (Modified) Designated Mk. 777. The Company is called AirTronic-USA…

          • Tritro29

            They also make RPG-clones…and very good ones.

          • Secundius

            Isn’t that what I said? The Mk.777 is a Uprated RPG-7…

          • Tritro29

            YEs you did, i diagonally read your post. I just wanted to emphasize on the RPG-clones. According to people who have seen them in metal, our guys would like to have the same “upgrades” on the Old tubes.

          • Secundius

            My understanding is, that these Weapons are Produced for BOTH US Military Familiarization and Export Sales to “Friendly” yet Cash Strapped Countries…

          • Tritro29

            Yet there has been almost zero exports from AirTronic to “cash strapped” countries or movements, because they cost in average about twice the price from “original source”. Case in point in Syria, the US has relied in ex-WAPO weapons, because they cost cheaper than dirt. To my understanding these weapons are mostly for “blending in” when you need to lower your footprint in some operations and use “common” ammo. Italian SOF in Iraq with what looked like Krebs AK’s goes in that sense. Only the US has a whole company dedicated to that.

          • Secundius

            I stand Corrected! I said it was my “Understanding”, NOT my “Knowledge”…

          • Tritro29

            … And Izhmash is still producing weapons under Kalashnikov moniker and is the only one to do so (trademark registered too). Kalashnikov USA has no affiliation with Izhmash or CK. It has none. It’s clearly a branding issue. PERIOD.

            Also a patent for what? A brand? You get the same treatment than the other guy. You don’t understand what you’re talking about, stop it.

          • The Russians Are Coming

            Right…

            So if a bunch of diletant enthusiasts in Russia would start a company called “Colt RF” and began manufacturing “Colt M4” rifles in a rented basement, you wouldn’t mind that following your logic. That would be also even more entertaining if the Russians soon started posting reviews on the Internet of those rifles, like: “See, these M4s are definitely not as accurate as people say…”

          • Malthrak

            If they’d had a marketing agreement with Colt in the process when some big political thing happened and forced both organizations to cut ties against their will, the way that happened with Kalashnikov USA? Sure.

            That said, if you look at AR-15’s in the US, M4 is a generic name, not protected by copyright and affirmed as such in court. There are dozens of companies that make AR-15 rifles which have no business relationship at all with Colt because the fundamental design is no longer covered by patent protection as the design is so old an the patents expired long ago.

            As for the other stuff, that’s just the nature of people and the internet, you’re always going to get idiots saying stupid stuff after buying low quality knock-offs. Be it Rolex, Sony, AR’s or AK’s.

          • The Russians Are Coming

            Nope.

            “The project was originally called the Heckler & Koch M4, but this was changed in response to a trademark infringement suit filed by Colt Defense.”

          • Malthrak

            Apparently you either neglected to continue reading…or intentionally left the rest out.

            “In April 2004, Colt filed a lawsuit against Heckler & Koch and Bushmaster Firearms, claiming acts of trademark infringement, trade dress infringement, trademark dilution, false designation of origin, false advertising, patent infringement, unfair competition, and deceptive trade practices. Heckler & Koch later settled out of court, changing one product’s name from “HK M4” to “HK416”. However, on December 8, 2005, a District court judge in Maine granted a summary judgment in favor of Bushmaster Firearms, dismissing all of Colt’s claims except for false advertising. On the latter claim, Colt could not recover monetary damages. The court also ruled that “M4″ was now a generic name, and that Colt’s trademark should be revoked.”

            😉

          • The Russians Are Coming

            Who the hell that District court judge in Maine is?

            And don’t confuse internal US matters with international matters. Colt and Bushmaster is one thing, Colt and HK is another.

          • Malthrak

            If you’d read the quote, you’d have noticed that HK made its choice to abandon the M4 designatio before litigation was concluded. FN for example markets products under the M4 designation openly now both in the US and abroad. And under existing trade agreements, being internal US or between Germany and the US makes no difference in a case like this.

            Ultimately, terms like M4 or Kalashnikov or Aspirin are pretty generic and not copyrightable anymore. About the only thing Russia’s KC could probably go after is use of the logo, but if KC is looking to retain a potential import partner in case sanctions are ever lifted, it wouldnt be in their interest to do so.

          • The Russians Are Coming

            FN for markets M4 under FN-15 designation. But the point is that FN does not market FN-15 as COLT

          • Malthrak

            That’s because Colt isn’t a genericized name the way M4, Aspirin or Kalashnikov are. People were calling anything built on the AK design a “Kalashnikov”, whether it came out of a Russian factory or not, for decades before KC was established, genericizing the name across the entire planet.

            If someone says “that’s a Kalashnikov”, almost anywhere in the world, they’re not specifying that it’s an Izhevsk produced, Russian made product, nobody uses the name “Kalashnikov” in that manner, whereas if they said “Colt” it would be recognized specifically as a Hartford produced US made product.

            If product a goes by a widely used name for almost 70 years before you rebrand your company using that name, well, don’t expect anyone to respect that copyright because it’s quite frankly absurd.

          • The Russians Are Coming

            QUOTE
            Some use the term Champagne as a generic term for sparkling wine, but in most countries, it is illegal to officially label any product Champagne unless it both comes from the Champagne region and is produced under the rules of the appellation.

            The majority of US-produced sparkling wines do not use the term Champagne on their labels, and some states, such as Oregon, ban producers in their states from using the term.
            UNQUOTE

          • Malthrak

            Champagne got special trade protection deals for that term going back to the 19th century, having provisions and treaties covering the term back in the 1890’s and even under the Treaty of Versailles. It’s a term that’s been legally protected for longer than there were vineyards making the stuff elsewhere (and certainly loooooong before there were any vineyards of note in Oregon).

            Not really the same situation.

          • The Russians Are Coming

            The same situation.

            Cognac (/ˈkɒnjæk/ KON-yak ; French pronunciation: ​[kɔ.ɲak]), named after the town of Cognac in France, is a variety of brandy. It is produced in the wine-growing region surrounding the town from which it takes its name, in the French Departements of Charente and Charente-Maritime.

            For a brandy to bear the name Cognac, an Appellation d’origine contrôlée, its production methods must meet certain legal requirements.

            Unlicenced AKs have been made in various countries for a long time, but none of the manufacturers named their product “AK” or their trade mark “Kalashnikov”.

          • Malthrak

            East German rifles did, they went by the designation MPiK – MachinenPistole Kalashnikow. Most other nations just went by their own arsenal production names, using a foreign government’s employee on their own weapons wasn’t an issue about who owned the name (that sort of a concept was antithetical to Internationalist/Socialist politics of the time), it just wasn’t something they’d want to do.

          • The Russians Are Coming

            East German rifles did, because East Germans bought the goddamn license!

          • Malthrak

            Pretty much all Warsaw Pact nations did (except the Czechoslovaks), they weren’t really given a choice in most cases, but then name “Kalashnikov” wasn’t used in say, Bulgarian or Hungarian rifles. The idea that the name “Kalashnikov” was ever tied to a license, patent, or copyright until the last couple of years is pure myth.

            The term “Kalashnikov” is not used by anyone to refer to specifically Russian made rifles or rifles made under Russian license except people butthurt about Kalashnikov USA using the name. Same way the German G3 rifle doesn’t use the term CETME anywhere in the name despite being built off the Spanish design under license for example, or why MP5’s clones built in licensed factories today in Turkey or Pakistan aren’t actually sold as “MP5’s”.

          • buzzman1

            Champagne spelled with a lower case “c” is legal and used to be common. Now its mostly sparkling wine.

          • buzzman1

            Neither the rifle nor the name was patented.

          • Kulibin762

            Jeep is a pretty genericized name, no?

          • Tim

            Interesting. Source?

          • Cymond

            Russia To Defend AK-47 Assault Rifle Copyright
            Thu, 10/22/2009 – 10:54am by Vladimir Isachenkov, Associated Press Writer

            here’s one copy of the article: http://www.manufacturing net/news/2009/10/russia-defend-ak-47-assault-rifle-copyright

          • Some are better made! And if in the past you hand out the rifles, Help build factories to build them.. well they are going to have a real hard time proving their case and being successful – Good luck!

          • Tritro29

            They did, the problem you’re looking at is that as there was no difference among state firms, the State could allocate rights to different factories to produce the same damn thing. Case in Point Tula and Izhevsk producing the same gun…Please stop this non-sense you don’t have a clue.

          • Malthrak

            Do you have a source for this or are you telling me I don’t know anything just because you don’t like my point? Every source I’ve ever found states that the only patent issued for the AK pattern design was issued by the Russian Federation, not the USSR, and not until 1997.

          • Tritro29

            Blueprints and patenting of a Soviet Rifle within GRAU/GOST standard wasn’t going to be set up in the US. Furthermore even Finland built their own specced AK after paying a fee and about 50K rifles from the USSR.

            But again, the issue with Kalashnikov USA is that it is using a brand it doesn’t own or doesn’t pay a license for.

          • Malthrak

            We have no idea what was or want going to be exported to the US, any supposition is oure conjecture.

            That said, if Russia truly has a problem with it they can bring up a case through the WTO. They haven’t because its both a trivial matter and they almost certainly would not prevail. Establishing a copyright based on the name if a government employee for a product nearly 70 years old, for a publicly funded and designed item for government purchase and use, and after decades of export and tolerating production in other nations such as Albania that never paid a dime to the USSR , they’re going to have a hard time winning that fight in court.

            When people name children Kalashnikov and when all AK pattern rifles are referred to people of every nationality as Kalashnikovs, that is a “genericized” term that would be almost impossible to defend in court.

          • Tritro29

            Oy Vey. You keep avoiding the main issue. The fact that the USSR is gone allows for international copyright fees to be hoarded through a patent. THE USSR, was not going to file a patent in the US. IT. WAS. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN. Period. It’s like you don’t understand what the Cold war was.

            The fact that governments in the world set up shop (among them many third parties through a licensed design, like Albania from a License and tooling obtained via China) doesn’t change anything from the fact that only Izhmash/Tula products are called Kalashnikov through the nomenclature. This is obvious to every decent Ak-system manufacturer out there. From Arsenal AD to freaking POF Taxila. Even the Iranians that use the exact same tooling as Albania do not call their rifle AK.

            A “generic” name doesn’t change the fact that the rifle and its source are protected. If I call my son Ford, doesn’t mean I have to pay a dime to Ford. But If I call my cart Ford and start selling it, I might have problem. Same for Aspirin. I can call the doctor and ask for ASA or Aspirin but If I ask for Aspirin the doctor, pharmacist will either give a Bayer original or propose a similar product. Although the ASA formula will be largely the same (Alka Seltzer etc).

            Once again you clearly don’t understand what branding is and how it works. Just don’t talk about things you don’t understand.

            In this case it is a blatant infringement of a deposed band. Period.

          • You are right! And it goes against their Communistic principals of sharing all knowledge, developments with like minded puppet governments.. ie: Cuba

          • NOTHING in Soviet Union prior to 1972 is protected.. it’s all in the Worldwide public domain. Look it up :^)

          • Tritro29

            They didn’t patent it, they just named it after its inventor and took the blueprints and filed them under State Rights…looks like a patent to me. Please guys, don’t talk about place you have no idea about. Just leave it at that.

          • Malthrak

            Calling it a patent because “it looks like one to you” doesn’t make it one. The only actual “Patent” was issued in 1997, and before that there were no serious attempts on the part of the government of the USSR to prevent unlicensed production elsewhere (such as Albania, who got the tooling and training from China).

          • The original maker [who didn’t patent it] The Soviet Union no longer exist. So as they have tried to enforce their ideas, product, name ect. They cannot the Soviet Union is kaput!

          • Secundius

            The Soviet Union like Nazi-Germany, kept Meticulous Records…

          • Tritro29

            Upon the principle of continuity Russia recovered the entire legal burden of the USSR. Including most of the intellectual properties. Izhmash has locked the Brand Kalashnikov as well as Baikal, Izhmash and Makarov.

            You can keep this puerile non-sense about USSR Kaputt, it still doesn’t stop CK from having full rights upon both Logo and brand. Both used illegally by Kalashnikov USA.

          • when will the courts rule? It’as been 10 years.. with no verdict in sight..

          • Tritro29

            What the hell you’re talking about, KUSA/CKUSA hasn’t got even 3 years of existence? This “joint venture” was announced In early 2014, with talks of import license since 2008 at least. And while they were one of Izhmash importers, they weren’t part of Izhmash.

        • What about the Finnish Valmet? What about all the different Chinese variants?

      • Tritro29

        Jesus. They’re called Kalashnikov USA, while not being a subsidiary of Concern Kalashnikov Russia. Do. You. Understand?
        Not the systems, the Brand.

    • Always Into The East

      This company is actually owned by CAA of Israel are shamlessly using the Kalashnikov name for profit.

      • The Russians are Coming

        Israelis designed Valmet. That’s 100% correct info.

        • Always Into The East

          Are you referring to the RK 62 and the Galili? If so, that’s 100% incorrect info. Valmet designed the RK 62 in 1962. The Galili was developed a full decade after the RK 62 and built on machinery bought from Valmet.

          • The Russians Are Coming

            It wasn’t developed, it was ripped off

          • randomswede

            “Finnland bought the license for original AK-47 design (with milled receiver)…”
            Straight off “Modern Firearms”

          • The Russians Are Coming

            Finnland bought. Of course. Finns are good dudes, and do things as things should be done. In the end, Valmet shows to all the haters that AK platform can taken to the high-end level, if desired. I respect them for that.

          • Always Into The East

            I should’ve put developed in quotes. Many of their designs have been rip offs. In addition to the RK 62 and Galili there’s the Jericho 941 and CZ-75, the Uzi and VZ23, and the Golan/CZ 99/ p228.

        • Tritro29

          Wtf?

    • Andrew

      When Kalashnikov USA was first created they had a business relationship with the Russian company. Because of the sanctions imposed after Russia invaded Ukraine, the US firm cannot have any legal or financial connection to the Russian company. I suspect there is still some wink wink unspoken understanding that when sanctions are lifted the two firms will reestablish their relationship.

      • The Russians are Coming

        There is no “wink-wink”. The KC’s general manager said in an interview that this Kalashnikov USA are their former partners, importers of the KC’s product but after the sanctions were imposed on Russia these people decided to make profit from that. But the KC doesn’t have a chance to bring them to trial in a situation like this.

        Kalashnikov USA is a bunch of Khyber Pass enterpreuners, just like all the other US-based amateur AK reverse-engineering gimmick manufacturers. The forgerers. Their product shouldn’t bear the name of AK.

      • Jay

        Russia didn’t invade Ukraine, It was the western bankers who sponsored the Coup in Ukraine. George Soros paid the oligarchs in Kiev 3 billions to take over the country. That whole mess is started in DC, not Moscow, Just like the bolshevik coup in 1917. Trotzky came to New York with his hands in the pockets and went back with an army and two millions in cash.

        • Malthrak

          Setting the crazy conspiracy tin foil hat stuff aside…the US “Kalashnikov” company originally did have a relationship with the newly formed Russian based Kalashnikov Concern and obtained rights to use certain properties and was being set up to do imports. When “stuff” happened, the US entity was not allowed to have any further business dealings with the Russian entity.

          Instead of just disbanding the business they tried to push forward on their own.

          Thats pretty much the story, they didnt “steal” anything, they’re a victim of international politics trying to make it through after getting kicked around before they could get in their feet.

        • ReadyorNot

          Jay, I’ve read similar comments… from Russian state sponsored propaganda trolls.

          • The Russians are Coming

            I am not a troll and not sponsored by the Russian state, I come from Ukraine, although have been living in Europe for a long time, and I also can tell people just the same thing, because that’s how it was. That’ true.

            There is a book by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, not a state-sponsored for sure, Two Hundred Years Together. The second volume describes those events and it’s available online for free, so check it out. I mean, the book tells the real historical truth about the so-called Revolution of 1917.

            As for Ukraine, the Russians didn’t invade, but the Russian forces protected Crimea from the invasion of the nationalist militia sent there by the non-legit government, after the coup d’etat in Ukraine. That was the Russian Naval forces, stationed in Crimea on the base, so that is not correct to call it “invasion”.

            Crimea was a Russian territory until the 1954, when it was transferred to Ukraine by the order of a bunch of commies. There was no referendum and even no quorum of the Council. So, according to the international rules, that decision was non-legit.

            Imagine that some Mexican drug cartel organized coup d’etat in Texas and then Texas proclaimed independence and announced that it breaks all ties with the US. And in a certain region the locals formed a separatist movement against the new Texan government and asked US for help. That’s what is happening in Ukraine.

      • Tritro29

        Such as? AK USA is in the works since at least 2008. The guys at AK USA, just can’t keep their part of the Bargain, because of many more things than only Sanctions. For instance it took Atlantic arms little less than a year to manufacture their AK9X. It took AK USA about 3 years to even build exhibition rifles. It is so bad they now are trying to work around a solution with Bulgarian and Serbian receivers and CAA furniture…in Israel.

        This is clearly in the vein of past weapons deals scams and doesn’t do US gun market any favour.

    • Malthrak

      The way many of the AK’s mechanisms were adapted or copied from other designs like the Remington model 8, MP40 (folding stock models) M1 Garand, etc?

      XD

      Either way, patents on any of these designs (which the USSR of the 40’s and 50’s didnt recognize anyway) would be long since expired.

      • Tritro29

        … that’s a poor excuse. USSR isn’t Russia. And it’s not exactly the intellectual property about the systems…but about the Brand.
        CK USA isn’t related to CK in Izhmash Russia. That’s the difference.

        • Malthrak

          Right, the USSR isn’t Russia. Then why is a product created nearly 70 years ago under a collectivized state program by a *state* employee of a different government being attempted to be copyrighted decades post facto?

          Like it or not, that’s a pretty flimsy trademark on what a US court would almost certainly rule is a Genericized term (much like Aspirin was, Bayer trademarked the name but it became so commonly widespread that the market no longer recognized it as being a distinct trademark, same thing with Colt and the “M4” designation, anyone can use the term “M4” now if they want), and Kalashnikov USA was initially set up to be a KC partner and import channel, it was government politics that borked the relationship.

      • maksim

        stoner also borrowed design from other when making m16, What was his excuse?

        • Malthrak

          We’re not talking about how other people are “ripping off stoner”, the way people were talking about how the florida outfit was “ripping off Kalashnikov”. If we were, then that’d be relevant to the conversation, but we’re not, so it isn’t. Ultimately the point was that trying to go around talking about how “ripping off” in this sense is kinda ridiculous for weapons that all built on other earlier concepts and are decades old and far beyond any patent expiration dates.

        • Secundius

          “Imitation is the Sincerest Form of Flattery” by Emperor Marcus Antoninus, 16th Emperor of the Roman Empire…

  • M

    Bad political climate to be introducing a product line

  • My understanding is that the CAA Alpha/”Alfa” guns were at a very early stage of development when shown, and are not going to be ready for prime time very soon.

  • Dave D

    Hey TFB, how about a story on the connection of Kalashnikov USA and Kalashnikov Israel

  • Mike

    Kalashnikov usa is in no way, shape or form connected to the motherland. Just using the name. I believe true russian saigas will demand a premium over the usa offerings. Hopefully this is one american company who can actually deliver a decent usa made ak.

    • ostiariusalpha

      Destructive Devices Industries (DDI) was already high quality, and they just seem to get better with their component quality every month. They just need to source a domestic cold-hammer forged barrel manufacturer to be on par with the best of the ComBloc rifle offerings ever made.

      • TheMaster

        DDI builds their guns from surplus parts kits. Also, their builds are not all that – plenty of issues reported on various AK forums.

        • ostiariusalpha

          They’ve very much moved away from foreign sourced parts kits in the past couple years, and quality complaints about their rifles are fewer than with even new Saigas or Veprs.

          • TheMaster

            As far as I can tell, the only _major_ component on their rifles that is made by them are the rear trunnions. The BCGs, mainspring assemblies, etc, are still all E. European surplus. Frankly, I am amazed that someone in the US figured out how to make a decent AK rear trunnion. Good for them! Of course, I am just assuming that these don’t fall apart after 5000 rounds.However, the other parts are more difficult to get right. The AK is easy to mass-produce, once you have the process, materials and the tooling down/set up, but those just happen to be the hardest part.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Nope, they’re now using domestically forged barrel trunnions, bolts, and bolt carriers. And they make their own receivers, both stamped and forged millings.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Nope, DDI is now using domestically forged barrel trunnions, bolts, and bolt carriers. And they make their own receivers, both stamped and forged millings.

  • Cal.Bar

    “shipping by August”? LOL what is it with these firearms mfg’s? I was at SHOT in 2014 when Desert Tactical was saying they’d be shipping the MDR by the end of THAT year (right). Then HMG claimed that they were going to be shipping STG-44’s by June of THIS year. Yeah, right!. Now these guys claim there are going to be shipping by Aug. Really? Anyone see operational beta copies out there?

    • randomswede

      I’d be a little more cautious in putting the entire industry into the same bag.
      The telltale signs would be a company that wants to produce quality products of a kind that is new to them.

      As long as they haven’t taken anyone’s money it only shows that they ran into a problem that either couldn’t be anticipated or that they lacked the means or abilities to anticipate. You don’t blow through a release date for any other reason and if the problem encountered is in reliability or durability it benefits no one to have the product released on schedule but off spec.

  • Pod

    They get reamed whenever they post on their social media channels. They need to roll a product soon.

  • Jose

    Have anyone check out Kalashnikov Israel? They already are advertising the ALFA rifle; at Eurosatory 2016, they presented a pre-production version of the rifle, in 7.62x39mm, and they also plan to make a 5.56 version, that will use the Galil mags. There are also an article of the 9mm carbine on the upcoming Guns and Ammo (Firearms News) AK47 magazine, giving the details. It should be available by early August. As for the Israeli ALFA rifle, it remains to be seen if it enters in production.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    Their modern take on the AK looks intriquing. I think I’d go with the M&M M10X over the KC offering.

    They rest of their AK line just looks cheap to me.

    They use furniture configurations that were modern 10 years ago.

    If you’re going to build an AK go classic or make it modern as possible using MagPul, Zentico, SLR, Krebs etc… style furniture. I’m not interested in a CAA or UTG modded AK from 2005.

  • Tim

    Interesting comments. When I read the original TFB article, I called my local K USA distributor (from their website) and the buyer told me they wouldn’t be out for a long while, but there was plenty of interest. I don’t know if the buyer even knew of the politics associated with the Ukraine incident.
    I heard these K USA folks were collaborating with K Comm and got the prints, specs, process notes, etc. I had high expectations based on this despite not knowing their engineering or manufacturing credentials. It’s possible for them to still pull this off despite lack of K Comm assistance, just a lot more difficult and likely not without bugs. Again, depends on the people.

    Anyway, I’m still waiting for a genuine, quality repro of the AK. I wouldn’t mind an Izhmash instead.

  • ostiariusalpha

    That is completely incorrect, product shape has always been a part of trademark. In fact, Glock is pretty trigger-happy about pursuing lawsuits against anyone selling products without permission that resemble their pistols. Manufacturers usually don’t sue video game developers because it’s essentially free advertising, but it has happened in the past and the developer just changes the name and appearance enough to pass legal muster.

  • DanGoodShot

    Do we really need another AK manufacturer? I mean, If its not connected to Kalashnikov Concern in any way whats the point? Why is everyone asking about Saigas? Its NOT a real Saiga. Just like everthing else out there, its a clone. There are already a couple clones out at the same price point. DD12 for instance. I don’t get it. Now if this company was connected to Kalashnikov Concern, I’d understand. But its not. Yes, I wounder the same thing everytime another new company comes out with another AR as well. Time for some inovation, enough with the imitation.

  • Tim Barrera

    Thanks for the update Patrick! I’ve been dying to get more info on the 9mm line!!!!

  • TangledThorns

    I wonder if they are pulling a Beretta and waiting on how the election goes.

  • David Harmon

    Been putting off picking up my first semi-auto shotgun in wait for one of these… I had almost given in and picked up something else…

  • SLi-Fox

    I’m definitely up for a 9mm AK! I just put together a 9mm AR and shot it for the first time last week. I didn’t think I would enjoy it as much as I did!

  • Malthrak

    Aye, and trying to pursue copyrights/patents not issued until decades after the products creation doesnt seem to be working out for them terribly well XD

  • Kivaari

    It was wrong to use the Kalashnikov name without a licensing agreement. Then Russians should be able to demand a certain higher level of construction that we see from Century Arms.

  • Max Headroom

    After reading the 80+ comments, I can only say I’m awful glad I heeded the tip someone gave me some years back and bought one each of the Saiga’s when they were plentiful, reasonably priced, and not in short supply

  • Secundius

    According to the Miami Herald, their Located just North of Miami in Pompano Beach, Florida…

  • Sasquatch
  • Licensed production!

    QUOTE
    Licensed production of the AK74 (as MPiK-74) in the DDR started in 1985
    UNQUOTE

    Licensed production
    Licensed production
    Licensed production

  • @tritro29:disqus You can own the trademark to the name “AK-47/74”? I can see them owning “AK-100 & 400” because they where made in the early 2000’s , but AK-47/74 from the 1940’s and 1970’s? I don’t think that could be legally possible. Unless you are mean patents, not trademarks.

    • TRAK

      Russia owns trademark to the name “AK” – Automat of Kalashnikov.

    • Tritro29

      Very shortsighted answer. Was there in the US a trademark AK/47/74?

      Also the company names itself Kalashnikov USA, implying a link with Izhmash, Concern Kalashnikov…when there’s none.

      And I think it is fully possible.

  • Show us the document that the Soviet Union trade marked “Kalashnikov” to the world. It doesn’t.

    In fact Mr Kalashnikov owns it. He has made licensing deals to use his name and likeness to knives, vodka, caviar, wrist watches, ect.
    Tritro your point is meaningless

    • Tritro29

      There was no Trademark from the USSR. For a couple of reasons.
      1. Weapons designs were State Secrets. Licensing was of outmost importance, but ToT was far more important.
      2. State property applies and GOST/GRAU nomenklature as well. There was only ONE rifle in the world that was called Avtomat Kalashnikova, Grau 56-A-211/212. This is the final production rifle derived from the Avtomat Kalashnikova Obr. Goda 1947 aka Type
      3. Mikhail Kalashnikov owned his right to his image and the right to be presented with his invention. The Intellectual rights were fully under custody of Izhmash and anything else was more of a reverence to MikhTim than actual legal rights.
      4. Mikhail Timofeovitch Kalashinikov has made only two deals.
      a. A vodka deal, which went on and off a couple of times.
      b. An image deal with Russian Piervy Kanal TV regarding his life.

      All the rest is either the family based on the Kalashnikov name, not brand or Izhmash based on the brand.

      Last but not least. Please stop this amateur hour about legal rights. CKUSA/KUSA has no link to Concern Kalashnikov and as such they are in infringement for using CK material and graphics to promote their rifles. And false advertizing.

      • I need you to relinquish your: Full name, Physical Address, Social Security Number [if in USA] or tattooed number behind your left ear [if from former Soviet Union] Height, Weight, Eye Color.

        Best regards.

        • Tritro29

          Take your meds.