Ok so these aren’t exactly AKs. My friend Brian M. was helping me test out the Salvo 12 on his Vepr12s and the Century Arms RAS47 Zhukov suppressed with a Yankee Hill Machine Phantom suppressor.  Brian makes modifications for his Vepr12s. The bottom one has his custom SGM mag coupler, C-More optic mount and muzzle brake. The top Vepr12 has his prototype barrel mounted mini red dot mount that co-witnesses.



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  • BillC

    That is a lot of trust on those threads being concentric on that Century RAS47, a lot of trust.

    • 12judges

      ^This^
      In my experience with it and friends’ RAS47s, if that one is concentric, it’s practically a moon rock.

    • Dave Y

      a .30 barrel / bore guide rod will tell you if the threads line up correctly or not before firing a shot.

    • John

      As questionable as the RAS47 is, US barrel makers are better at making concentric bores than combloc guns.

  • Bob

    “In Soviet Russia, gun goes prone on you”?

    • People have been bashing on big saiga and vepr mags forever. Granted the frankenmags for starting stages are huge, as are the drums. I’ve never found the stick mags up to 12 shot to be in the way at all. You get used to them quickly. I run around and do stages and have never had one once obstruct a natural movement.They said the same stuff about 30, 20 and 10 round rifle mags too. (8 rounders are about the same size as a standard combloc steel AK 30 rounder) Shotguns are mostly for moving and these put the weight of the ammo in a better place for a constant balance than your tube fed shotgun. If for some reason you need to go prone, no biggie. Lay prone. The mag goes to your right with the ejection port up. Recoil is low due to gas operation, and the gun is surprisingly easy to shoot this way.

  • Interesting combination magazine/monopod on that bottom one; it must be fun to be able to fire prone from a crouch.

    • Kelly Jackson

      I’m pretty sure you just fire a gun like that from hip while bare chested and screaming

      • You’d have to be pretty tall to be able to fire it from the hip.

        • Kelly Jackson

          The whole thing seems kind of silly considering there’s actual 12 gauge drums for that gun

          • Vadim Igorevich

            Wrong. They are not out yet for the Vepr 12. We have been waiting forever. And even the guys who run saigas in competiton, lean towards installing magwells which eliminates the drum mag option for those.

    • I posted this to a shorter comment to the same effect, but will repost here so that the comment isn’t wasted. Franken mags are for a fast start in a race. They really aren’t in the way, and I have seen ones that big used prone.

      People have been bashing on big saiga and vepr mags forever. Granted the frankenmags for starting stages are huge, as are the drums.
      I’ve never found the stick mags up to 12 shot to be in the way at all. You get used to them quickly. I plink, compete, use one for HD, run around and do stages and have never had one once obstruct a natural movement.They said the same stuff about 30, 20 and 10 round rifle mags too. (8 rounders are about the same size as a standard combloc steel AK 30 rounder) Shotguns are mostly for moving and these put the weight of the ammo in a better place for a constant balance than your tube fed shotgun. If for some reason you need to go prone, no biggie. Lay prone. The mag goes to your right with the ejection port up. Recoil is low due to gas operation, and the gun is surprisingly easy to shoot this way.

    • Tassiebush

      It’d be useful if you had an itchy foot

  • Devil_Doc

    What’s up with the offset stock hinge on the bottom rifle?

    • Devil_Doc

      And what’s going on with the red dot on the barrel/gas block of the upper rifle? Isn’t that going to get a skosh warm?

      • 1) It’s in front of the gas block, so not so much on it and is an aluminum heat sink. 2) It’s a shotgun so powder is burning cooler and fires a lot lower pressure than rifles, and there is no friction from rifling. Way less heat to start with. 3) It’s a race gun. He’ll probably seldom fire more than 40 rounds in a stage. Rapid firing mine through 50 rounds with a fast mag change. will make the gas Tube too hot to comfortably touch, but I probably won’t get a burn. It will hurt for a sec. That’s well short of melting plastic, etc. I don’t know the destruction point of his red dot, but I doubt he could keep the gun fed fast enough to get it hot enough to do harm to the optic.

        • Vadim Igorevich

          I too have found this to be the case. I can hold the gas block pretty comfortably while firing before it even starts to get warm

    • He set up the stuff so that everything is more inline to reduce muzzle flip. Most of the race guns do this, but make it look better. I think Rifle Dynamics or some such company makes an AK to castle nut adapter that does a nicer looking job.

  • Brian

    I have used the barrel mounted red dot without any heat issues. Russian Ipsc shooters have been using them for years. The shotgun on the bottom was equipped with a fixed wire stock (does not fold) from the factory. I didn’t like it at all. That is a homemade m4 buffer tube adapter. 3D printed a few versions to get my cheek weld correct. That is my final prototype out of steel.

  • Brian

    Yes, I am on that site. A great resource !

    • You make the mag couplers sold on 4range, correct?

      If you are interested in becoming a forum vendor, contact bigsal or russianhammer. We like seeing new products be developed and supported.

      • Brian

        I am not selling them, yet. I have a few out their being evaluated, and I am planning on selling them. I will contact them. I am also working on a tubular forend with an integrated red dot mount.