Found this photo with little to no context other than it is a monocore suppressor baffle design. I could not find out who made this or any other developments about this design. It looks cool but I know nothing about fluid dynamics. It sort of reminds me of the SilencerCo Maxim pistol.

 



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  • The Wound Channel

    OSS 2.0?

  • junyo

    It’s a suppressor, shooting rest, foregrip. Triple threat.

  • Giolli Joker

    It reminds me of Rat Worx ZRX 9mm Tavor suppressor.
    (It’s not.)

    • thedonn007

      Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

    • Art Wiggins Jr.

      Thanks I was not aware of that design.

      • Giolli Joker

        Thank you for making us aware of yours!

  • stephen

    I won’t buy it because the following words were not in the article… “tactical”, “operator”, “tier 1”, “spec ops” or “proven in Afghanistan”.

    • Art Wiggins Jr.

      Thanks for the laugh man!

  • I predict it will not work well. Thick baffles do not give very good suppression since they tend to funnel the flow instead of getting gas separation from the main flow. Thin baffles also give you better edge effects on the flow stream. From testing, a mono core suppressor that was being tested worked great with thin baffles until the baffles failed in a few rounds. When the baffles were increased in thickness for strength the sound attenuation properties went to garbage even though the only change was baffle thickness..

    • PK

      Agreed on the design. I hope it’s a project from an 07/02, or someone just wasted $200 in tax and a half year wait.

      • Looks to me that some one wasted some cash on EDM machine time but if you do not do testing I guess you will not learn. Testing helped answer a lot of the mystery in suppressor design for me, not saying I know every thing about suppressor design, far from it.

        • Not only that they blew EDM cash on it, they probably never simulated the design in a CFD simulator. (Autodesk or Ansys.)

          • Zach Haag

            Common sense and testing goes alot further than CFD when it comes to the manufacturing of suppressors and gas flow… from what I can tell the design is to redirect gas into the bottom where the “hooks” will help slow down the gasses on their return to the top… In turn cooling it and making for a more quiet shot.

          • CFD does go further than common sense! Everything can be mathematically simulated, they issue is that hardly anybody in the industry can do more than Algebra, let alone have a specialization compressible fluid dynamics.

        • PK

          I don’t see the EDM cost as wasted, precisely for the reasons you just outlined. I’ve got a few “junk” F1 cans myself, we all have to start somewhere when we get away from known designs.

          I doubt anyone really knows every last thing about baffle design, not yet. We’ve sure come a long way from the 80s! I swear a lot of those were worse than the original Maxim designs.

    • Kelly Jackson

      It’s going to work just because it offers a huge volume of space, at least for single shots anyway

    • Some Guy

      That sounds to me more like energy being dumped into vibrating the baffles than a flow issue.

  • Anomanom

    At first i thought i was the design for the Maxim. Gotta say i like the design, although getting the side plates (i guess it would have side plates) to seal seems like it would be difficult.

    What gun is it for? It clearly seems to be contoured to match some weapon or other. But which one?

    • Art Wiggins Jr.

      Thank you, multi caliber and platforms are coming, this is a prototype for a .22 and 9mm. the picture is deciving it is rather small.

  • thedonn007

    How do you orientate it so that the bottom is facing down?

    • PK

      Same way any eccentric or polygonal cross section silencer works, I’d bet. Basically a rotating thread adapter and a jamb nut.

    • Rog Uinta

      You just rotatify it towards the correct directionality.

    • Nicholas C

      Think of the SilencerCo Osprey and Salvo 12.

  • Art Wiggins Jr.

    Hello,

    I am Arthur Wiggins Jr. I designed this silencer.

    I design this to allow for more internal volume for a substantial decrease in sound over a tube silencer of the same length. I also wanted to avoid taking up sight picture space. More importantly I was looking to design a silencer that did not hang a lot of weight in front of a firearm, throwing off muscle memory when not silenced.

    I’ve received a lot of negative feedback for this design, mainly due to the rough look of the prototype, and of course those who believe it wont work. The intricacies of the design in addition to areas of the bullet path create dynamics that cannot and should not be compared to conventional tube silencers. At the moment this core and making it efficient is my priority.

    The anti reversion vanes placement is tricky and key to the asymmetrical design functioning effectively.

    The unit pictured is the .22 and 9mm version it is 4 inches long from the where the barrel attaches, to the exit point of the silencer.

    As far as testing and videos for performance please bear with me I have a lot of irons in the fire. Proof is in the pudding.

    Thank you for your inputs.

    • Flounder

      Can you please post a link to a build thread? Or a more in depth post/article about the theory and design of this suppressor.

      This is an interesting design. Although it has a few hurdles to overcome, at least in my opinion. It looks heavy, that much metal seems like you would be comparing it to a muuuuuch longer can, something like 8-10 inches worth. Now it won’t be as far out but that is still a lot of weight.

      Next up, how do you orient it properly on the thousands of different lengths of threads? Or how do YOU plan to keep it oriented properly.

      Do you plan to manufacture this?

      And finally how in the world are you going to seal this up so you don’t. It appears that you already have screw or rivet or pin holes on this core.

      • Art Wiggins Jr.

        Thanks for the questions.

        the majority of the questions you are asking will be the issue of which ever manufacturer purchases the patent. Remember my concern is about the efficiency of the core. With concern to the sealing the core that is a product its final conception which can range from an encompassing sleeve to the plates on the side as indicated by the threaded holes.

        attaching the silencer for the sake of the prototype is just a jam nut, for production models any of the QD systems can be utilized.

        To gain more exposure I will offer a limited run of three models as “form 1” partially completed kits.

        For the “form 1” consider the core, not the aesthetics of this prototype, as it will look much nicer.

        • What is the patent number?

          • PK

            Four hits for Arthur Wiggins, none dealing with this. Perhaps it’s not been granted, yet.

          • Art Wiggins Jr.

            I have a patent but I would like to speak with you never the less.Please provide contact info.

    • Nicholas C

      Please keep use posted. It is a very interesting design and we are all eager to see it work.

      • Art Wiggins Jr.

        Thank you for coming across the picture and posting it. I will keep you updated on the progression of my design.

        • Shocked_and_Amazed✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Thank you Art

    • PK

      I look forward to the independent testing.

    • Otm Shooter

      Slap some side plates on it and head to the range..with your camera of course. It’s interesting, some of it seems counter intuitive to me, but monocore suppressor designs tend to work out in the strangest ways and patterns.

      • noob

        transparent side plates and high speed camera please!

        • tts

          It’d blow the sides off wouldn’t it? Great idea though it if doesn’t.

          • noob

            I’ve seen video of flame propagation inside the cylinder of an internal combustion engine using a quartz window. there must be a way to get the footage out. it would also be scientifically valuable footage.

          • tts

            Yeah I’ve seen that too but always thought they were using specially grown quartz ‘glass’ that was then cut just right to make that stuff work. Seems expensive.

            B-Sabre had a good point though about the high speed video + polycarbonate only needing to last a few shots. Didn’t think of that.

          • B-Sabre

            Depends on how thick you make the polycarbonate. It only has to last a couple of shots to get the video.

        • Kevin Craig

          The heat is flash heat, not sustained, and ordinary Pyrex would easily stand up to the heat.

          The pressure dissipates very quickly (that’s how these devices do their job, after all), so a shatter-resistant layer of polycarbonate on top of the Pyrex should be more than sufficient.

    • Parker Brown

      Were you inspired by the Tesla Valve?

      • Art Wiggins Jr.

        I had to look that up. No I was not inspired by the Tesla Valve. Nikola Tesla was truly genius!

    • JSmath

      Hey Art,

      I like your design and believe it is going to work, and well enough to shut most of the haters up. I don’t see the third chamber ever using or benefiting from the entirety of its extended volume. Maybe with a diffusion material/baffle and a few ventilation holes at the very end, though, there would at least be a lot more to coax the flow down and back.

      Was there a specific weapon this was designed to pair with? The dimensions and shape give that impression.

      • Art Wiggins Jr.

        Sorry I am just answering your questions, The chmaber at the end is out of spec, good eye. This silencer is for a .22 or 9mm. Thanks for the support!

        • JSmath

          Thanks for taking the time to answer questions, Art.

          • JSmath

            Also (knowing this’ll basically get hidden under the expansion tree so only those *really* interested in discussing this stuff will read):

            I did notice the last borehole, but I chalked that up to over-sizing for safety and for a possible endcap (which could be repaired/replaced without needing to reman the core). You wouldn’t be the first person to have an oversized exit hole in a suppressor *just in case*.

            I was actually referring to how the third chamber wraps back around the bottom. If you get around to trying a transparent/acrylic plate build, it would be very interesting to see if any of the muzzle blast does get near as far. Or even after the fact, by observing carbon/bullet deposits.

    • Cymond

      I’m very curious how it will perform, and wish you the best of luck.

      However, I’m curious, will it be compatible with a Nielsen device aka recoil booster? The fact that so much of the weight is so far below the bore makes me think it should only be used with a fixed barrel.

      • Art Wiggins Jr.

        Thanks for the input. Nielsen (piston) should not have any difficulties operating this. Weight below the barrel only changes the center of gravity the silenced/gun unit.

        I will post more info on weight shortly.

        • Cymond

          It’s my understanding that the piston pushes the suppressor forwards and the barrel back. It seems to me that the suppressor would want to rotate forward & down rather than moving straight forward in a linear motion.

          Oh course, what do I know? I’m not any kind of engineer.

          • Art Wiggins Jr.

            Conversations for this silencer always seem to bring up the same issues asked differently. I suppose that is a good thing. I do not have an engineering degree either, I have commerce degree (lol).

            Sometimes in these text message I come off as arrogant or as a smart ass; I do not mean to sound that way, and apologize if I do. I have a in depth knowledge of mechanical devices from 30 years of building cars, motorcycles and a short well as a helicopter engine tech in the army reserves.

            ANYWAY

            The piston does move linearly, but things like center of gravity, fulcrums, and inertia also play a major role in how it operates. The conventional tube silencer is far more of a fulcrum creating substantially more drag/friction when it moves. My design and any design that places center of gravity well below the barrel that use a piston should actually work better because it eliminates the fulcrum.

    • William Elliott

      I am REALLY interested in this. I had a similar concept that I was sketching up a while back, but as I don’t work in the industry, or have the resources for prototyping, etc, I never took it past that point.
      Good luck, I can’t wait to see more!

    • Big Boss

      Best of luck with your creation Art.

    • Nathan Boor

      Arthur, Is there a formal why to get in touch with you?

  • Adam Withem

    I’ve got a 19 years of imaginary engineering experience. I agree with everyone saying it sucks because of internets. Sure hope this guy finishes the design and makes everyone look like an ass hat.

    Good on him for making something and contributing to the industry even if it isn’t a successful design. Need more of him and less of others.

    • Art Wiggins Jr.

      Thank you much for that! I appreciate the pat on the back man.

      • CS

        The Design really does look a lot like a bose wave guide. So, I can picture this working.

  • JoelC

    I think this would look nice on a SBR Kriss Vector.

  • Badwolf

    Volume below bore design can work. As nick said, think osprey and salvo. Yours is taken to extreme. I think it will work too.

    • Art Wiggins Jr.

      Thank you!

  • therealgreenplease

    In theory you could extrude that design which would radically reduce the cost of manufacture with the caveat being you’d have to produce them in massive quantity and you’d be limited by the die size. For something like .22lr you could probably get away with aluminum (maybe) which would make the die and extrusion that much cheaper.

    The initial design looks a bit chunky but I see a lot of opportunities for it to lose weight. If the general concept is sound I could see optimizing the internal geometry for particular calibers and even loads and barrel lengths. I’m thinking U.S. Army, M4 w/M855. Assuming you hit performance and weight targets you could probably sell them profitably at $150/per for a very large order which would make them an attractive acquisition IMO (and suppressors should be issued to general infantry IMO). The caveat being that this design would interfere with things like the M203 but those are going the way of the Dodo, IMO, with advances in dedicated counter-defilade weapons.

    • noob

      hmm I wonder if anyone made a suppressor with volume to the left and right of the bore (so the underbore is clear for accessories and there is an unobstructed sightline over the barrel).

      taken to extremes, your weapon would look like a crucifix when seen from above.

      • throwedoff

        noob, I was thinking the same thing. Your weapon wouldn’t necessarily have to look like a crucifix, but it would look like it had a large 50 cal. muzzle brake on it.

    • Art Wiggins Jr.

      You deserve a cigar!!! love that first paragraph!

      • PK

        You didn’t think of extrusion? I’m surprised, any design like this should be considered in that light, it’s massively cheaper than EDM for each unit.

        • Art Wiggins Jr.

          Yes, it is cheaper to extrude than to EDM or water jet. I never thought of using extrusion for ONLY the 22 version. Aluminum will not endure larger calibers, so Ive been concentrating on more durable material. I have so many people asking me about it honestly I am overwhelmed with the interest. My concentration is making sure it performs

          • PK

            On that design, without running the numbers, lower pressure (at the muzzle) chamberings such as for various pistol rounds shouldn’t be an issue.

            I agree that for anything outside of .22lr/9×19/.45acp it wouldn’t be ideal to manufacture from aluminum, but many rimfire and centerfire pistol silencers are primarily 7075-T6 construction.

          • Otm Shooter

            Aluminum will be fine for most pistols calibers, as you stated. And getting extruded 7075 should be no issue as well.

  • iksnilol

    I like the design, am worried about holster compatibility though.

    • Edeco

      eh, just get a heat gun, some kydex, a soldering iron, a toaster oven, a hacksaw….

  • Art Wiggins Jr.

    Thank you!

  • Guest

    You’re on the right track but your flow is way way off. It’s the heat…. but there are other ways of mitigating the heat and saving the “real estate” of a hand gun. But you’re on the right track for the future of suppressor design.

  • Guest

    Something smells funny

  • Tothe

    This kind of design might offer opportunities for 3D-printed suppressors in states where the laws attempt to preempt federal restrictions on home manufacture.

  • Bob Timmons

    How about making it with a 3D printer?