The First Remington R51 Gen 2s Are HERE

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One week ago, we reported that Remington had distributed letters to owners of the troubled first generation R51 pistols that their replacements from the new second-generation were ready to be shipped. Since then, YouTuber and R51 buyer RyeOnHam has received his second generation R51 replacement pistol, and released a first look video on the weapon, embedded below:

The 9mm Remington R51 is a re-imagining of the original Remington Model 51, a .380/.32 ACP single stack pocket carry gun designed by John D. Pedersen at the end of World War I. The modern incarnation was introduced just prior to the 2014 SHOT Show where it received a lot of attention for its uniqueness and full-power caliber, but once the guns shipped, serious problems including out of battery firings began to appear. Remington recalled the pistols and pledged to replace the guns. After the recall, the company’s engineers identified tolerance stacking issues with the pistols in the initial release. Remington removed the R51 from its website, ended production at the Charlotte, NC plant, and moved the tooling to Huntsville, AL, where the improved second generation pistols are supposedly being made. Interestingly, the second generation pistol received by RyeOnHam is marked “CHARLOTTE, NC”, not “HUNTSVILLE, AL” like one would expect. Whether this means that some gen 2 pistols have been made in NC, or something else is not yet clear.

Thanks to Daniel for the tip!



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

    i kind of want this gun to succeed

    • PK

      I REALLY want this to work out, it would have been even better if it went smoothly the first time around.

      Why wouldn’t anyone want a big name to get back into pistols? That’s where the sales are, concealable guns. I hope it goes well and Remington is encouraged to release more designs (after more thorough testing, please…) and even encourages other makers to get back into pistols.

    • DIR911911 .

      after this waste of time I hope he crashed his car leaving the parking lot

    • Samson

      I feel the same way… I had moved from DPR-NJ to a much more gun-friendly state in early spring ’14, and immediately got my CCW license and realized I was going to need a dedicated, EDC firearm. I am a Glock guy generally but tried to keep my options open for the best product for price for me and my situation (I am only 5’8″ maybe 140-145lbs during the fattest months) and in the Southern heat, I wear shorts 10+ months out of the year and often T-shirts , so I need a very concealable gun and I can’t just “dress around the gun” like so many geniuses often espouse. I had really liked this R51 and have always been a big Remington fan (I know they’re not what they were, I know this…) and I had just been kicking around this R51 when the SHTF about it… and it was sad, man, sad. How did they let it happen? But I actually felt bad for them. I wound up buying a Shield and was absolutely, totally, and completely satisfied. I believe the Shield is perhaps the finest EDC pistol there is, amazing. I had to sell my Shield last year and replaced it with a G27 due to the fact my family caliber is .40 S&W (and 9mm secondarily, which I have both lots of .40 and 9mm and both in Glocks with 40-9 conv. bbls for shooting cheaper 9mm for fun) and while I love the G27 for what it is, it certainly is not as comfortable nor concealable [not shootable, to be truly honest] as the Shield. ….. I want the R51 to be The Next Big Thing and as popular/great as the Shield … but I feel like, even if it IS the next big thing, it may never mitigate the losses it incurred initially.

    • Joseph Goins

      I think the people who want it to succeed are generally the ones who got taken by all of the early press. (I want it to succeed, but simply because it will help a failing business.)

      • StickShift

        I’d like to see it succeed simply because it isn’t a blowback or Browning tilting barrel design. Firearms design is so conservative today. I want to see new (or in this case, very old) designs come to the market and succeed, so designers are encouraged to be more creative.

        • Joseph Goins

          I don’t think that “firearms design is so conservative.” John Moses Browning created the greatest pistol design in history. I truly think that it will not be replaced until firearm technology advances past bullets.

  • DIR911911 .

    an unboxing video , what are we 12? post a video shooting the thing or NOBODY CARES.

    • Those box flaps being tucked in are real tough to clear. I never understood unboxing vids.

    • Vitsaus

      I too shall never understand the appeal of unboxing videos to an adult.

  • PK

    Fingers crossed. I’m sure not buying one until I hear a whole lot of reviews and the results of some 500+ round tests with various ammo. If that all works out, I’ve wanted this pistol since they first announced it.

    • totenglocke

      I can’t lie, when The Truth About Guns reviewed it (first review of the R51 I saw), I assumed they just gave it a terrible review as payback for Remington not inviting them to a press day shoot. Then every other website / reviewer said it was garbage too and I knew to stay far, far away from it.

      • MeaCulpa

        TTAG is a bit light on the second T imo.

        • Limonata

          Care to give specific links and examples?

        • During anything political, they’re pretty light on the G, too!

  • Brocus

    high speed low drag skeletonized tactical trigger, can’t wait to stipple that grip and cerakote in camo tigerstripes!

    • Anonymoose

      Good luck stippling aluminum.

      • Brocus

        do you even dremel bro?

        • Gary Kirk

          Wouldn’t that technically be engraving?

          • Brocus

            nope

      • Heck, stippling metal frames used to be all the rage for pistolsmiths.

        • ostiariusalpha

          I’m still planning on having my Browning Hi-Power’s front and back straps stipled.

  • Good catch on the NC address. Now I wonder if Remington simply didn’t refurbish the returned Gen 1 pistols, culling out the most problematic examples. Given that many of the R51 customers caved in during the 27 month wait and accepted other Remington models as replacements, it wouldn’t be too much trouble to find enough working Gen 1 models to satisfy the remaining diehard holdouts like RyeOnHam.

    • Joseph Goins

      The issues may have been due to the slide as opposed to the frame. If that were the case, it would make since that the frame was recycled and new slides were manufactured.

      • JSmath

        It is worth noting that Remington said that one or more parts were produced outside the tolerances specified by their engineers. It could well be that all of the problems stemmed from the barrel, slide, recoil spring, or breech block or a combination thereof. Almost said guide rod, but ya, these don’t have one.

    • Anon

      Interesting theory.

    • RSG

      That would be so………..disappointing, yet so…………Remington.

  • I would love to test one for TFBTV.

    • Harry’s Holsters

      Mud Test!

    • PeeDee

      Can you have James do it? If you died in an R51 explosion and he did all of the TFBTV videos I would have to ban the channel from my intarwebs.

    • RSG

      Fired remotely, of course. Ha

  • OJS

    Still too dangerous for CA

    • Swear words and rare steak are too dangerous for California.

      • Evil_Bonsai

        Contrary words and just ‘steak’ are too dangerous for California.

    • RSG

      The American flag is too dangerous and the US Constitution is considered a Weapon of Mass Destruction in California. It would be fitting, and appropriate if our next civil war, “The Great Restorative War” kicked off there.

  • Edeco

    Oh, old production parts maybe in the new run?… good info. I’m vaguely considering owning one, I’m able to CC but have put off owning a compact due to reasons such as priorities. Historical value notwithstanding I’d rather not get a transitional model.

  • Thomas R. Rogers

    Any word on a threaded barrel model? Or a .45 ACP model?

    • I think the takedown lever on a .45 model would probably be the trigger.

      • Gary Kirk

        RDP..

      • Evil_Bonsai

        Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly.

  • SLi-Fox

    Besides the chamber indicator, are there other visuals to identify the different generations?

    • ostiariusalpha

      They appear to have moved the “R51” roll mark on the slide a bit with the 2nd gen pistols. Before, it was below the swoop, now it’s above the swoop.

      First gen gun:

      • SLi-Fox

        Thanks!

      • RSG

        I guess that eliminates the possibility that Remington just repurposed the best of the recalled pistols. Good catch.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    This is the ultimate gun for non educated old school buyers so I really hope it works out. It has a legacy brand name and a metal frame while looking old school. It’s to bad they screwed up the first generation.

    • tazman66gt

      So, what do you mean by “non educated old school buyers”? Are you trying to imply that anyone who carries a 1911 or PPK aren’t intelligent enough to buy something else? Or, “gasp” a revolver. Seems as though that is a rather moronic opinion of someone who’s business is selling a product. Maybe those “non educated old school buyers” might just know something you don’t.

      • Harry’s Holsters

        By none educated I’m talking about the guys who get their information from 40 year old gun magazines and shoot 50 rounds a year but say they know everything about guns. The guys that say if it’s 45 it’ll blow em to pieces and a glock will make it through a metal detector. The guys that hear metal and a name brand and think it must be good to go. The guys that buy the Springfield XD over a Glock because they think is made in America. There is nothing wrong with that market per say but they do exist. I’m pretty sure overall I know more than that crowd. And just because a gun appeals to that crowd doesn’t mean it’s a bad gun. If you read my post you’ll see I was actually pulling for it. That crowd is large and I’d like to see someone profit from them while offering a good product.

        I think it’d be cool if someone came out with a slim or modernized Beretta Model 21 for older and weaker people who can’t manipulate a DA revolver pull or a slide. That’s a market that’s not being fulfilled. I want a gun my 82 year old grandma can safely use. Just because what I described fits that market doesn’t mean others couldn’t use it as well.

        I personally love revolvers and shoot them decently. They are some of my favorite guns to shoot because of the challenge balancing speed and accuracy with DA. I shot my buddy’s colt cobra last week and now I really want one. 1911s are a game I’d like to get into but it’s out of my budget. My favorite handgun I’ve ever fired is the Browning Hi Power. I carry and buy polymer framed guns because I’m 21 years old and don’t have $1000+ to spend on guns that are less practical and more expensive for me at this time. $500+$200 in after market mods is my budget.

        • Ebby

          “By none educated I’m talking about the guys who get their information from 40 year old gun magazines and shoot 50 rounds a year but say they know everything about guns. ”

          So basically anyone who you stereotype as knowing less than you is “uneducated”. I’m sure you won’t mind if the people who know more give you the same demeaning title.

          • Harry’s Holsters

            Educated/uneducated are relative terms. Just because you know less than some or more than others doesn’t doesn’t necessarily make you educated or uneducated. I’m sorry if I offended you by stating that uneducated buyers may be interested in a gun because it has a metal frame. Like I stated earlier that doesn’t make it a bad gun or a good gun. It’s the design and manufacture that do that.

        • Organgrinder

          Harry, try a Tisas 1911A1. The company is ISO certified and a NATO approved manufacturer for issued small arms.

          • Harry’s Holsters

            What’s your point? The Turks are making some good guns now.

  • Darren

    I hope they offer at least a limited run in .32 ACP. Love collecting little .32s

  • ROH just released a tabletop review of the R51: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CFkS_RqSa0&ab_channel=RyeOnHam

    • ostiariusalpha

      Interesting that he’d complain about the elastomer extractor “spring.” From everything I’ve been able to gather, the elastomer is more reliable and lasts longer than a metal spring.

  • Uncle Festet

    20 years from now – I wonder if there will be any Collector demand for G1 guns. How many could possibly be left?

    • What about the caracals and Colt 2000s?

      • El Duderino

        Vektors too!

        • Dang, totally forgot about them!

        • L Cavendish

          have 2 Vektors…and some parts
          my daughter loves it…
          hundreds of rounds and no ADs/NDs

          • El Duderino

            I almost bought one back in the day, but got a P220 instead.

  • Dr. Longfellow Buchenrad

    If it had an exposed hammer and a Double Action mode I would be all over it.

    Why cant a guy find a Shield sized single stack DA/SA 9mm with no safety? You would think somebody would be making one.

    • THUNDER ULTRA COMPACT PRO SERIES?

      It does have a safety though. :-/

  • It looks like it has the finest ergonomics available in 1903.

    • RSG

      Pretty good now, too. Ergos wasn’t the problem.

  • Jay Lee

    With modern manufacturing equipment and automation (ie CAD, CAM, Simulations and CNC) that can measure parts on the machine with probing sub routines, how do F up the pistol so badly..? They must have been in a mad rush to get it to market with little concern for quality.

  • Gorilla Biscuit

    That’s nice. Where is the 1000 round torture test? With the current price of cheap quality ball ammo this can be achieved simply with a Maglula added to save a thumb. I personally would never even think about buying one of these, or any other currently or recently manufactured Remington product. But that is just my personal feeling.

    • RSG

      Well, considering everything Advanced Armament makes is go to war ready, that’s a bit silly. Their cans are top not, but nothing to their rifles, especially in 300Blk. Now, technically, they were an amazing company before Remington bought them, but AAC is under their brand.

      • Gorilla Biscuit

        I don’t get what you are trying to say here?

  • Treyh007

    At first I wasn’t that impressed with the design and then all the trouble they had I really through out the idea, the pistol has kind of grown on me since then and I’ve kept up with it for some reason hoping it would work out. If they do I’ll be getting one. 👍🏻

  • Paul Dawson

    Hide your kids, hide your wives, and hide your husbands….

  • CorruptionInColumbia

    What is it with these retarded-looking skeletonized triggers everyone seems to be going to? Ruger put this hideous red one on their newest LCP incarnation and now Remington puts one on the R-51. Maybe its just me, but I see skeletonized triggers as being useless at best, kind of like “forward serrations” on a slide. At worst, a skeletonized trigger looks like an unnecessary invitation for some object to get caught up in the trigger and cause problems at a highly inopportune moment.

    Instead of getting cute with trigger designs, perhaps Remington would do better to actually LISTEN to what customers are griping about and have things like noticeable trigger reset, more positive actuation of the grip safety, and the like.

    I really want one of these if they get all of the bugs out of it.

    • Bob

      I agree with your reasoning on the possibility of the problems at a highly inopportune moment. What did they do? save a 1/100th of 1 oz?
      I like the “smoothness” of it though, looks like it would not get hung up on clothing.
      Seems to me, somebody made a “Wolverine” pistol back around 1951 or so.
      Is this an attempt to copy it?

  • Geoff

    No way. Way better options out there in every way.
    Remington handguns – no thank you.

  • Wanderlust

    I really dont like the rear sights. It looks like the dots could easily be further back to increase sight radius. Alternatively they have plenty of room in there for fiber optics, so long as they change the front too.

  • Old Vet

    Sorry, not for me. I liked old originals much better. I am stuck on aesthetics I guess and the rear sight just bugs me. I know it is made to be less snag capable, but geez.

  • L Cavendish

    Got mine back as well…looks like they changed the magazine followers and base plates.They fit…lock in and drop..but I have not fired the new gun yet…so unsure if they affect function.
    My old CT laser seems to fit and function as well.
    Say they will reimburse my $25 FFL transfer fee as well. We’ll see.
    Now would like a couple sets of new followers and base plates…and some various grip panels. Think there are some night sights out there as well.

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Useless waste of time article & video

  • Warchild_70

    PX4 Storm is the first choice for deep concealment I’ll wait to hear how this one is doing before buying.

  • Laserbait

    I just picked mine up today!