Failed Glock Modifications By “Experts”

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Update:

One of our readers reached out to me via email to set the story straight behind this slide cut fiasco. The slide was made by Zev Tech however they are not the one responsible for the screw up you see below. A local “gunsmith” is the one responsible for screwing this up terribly.

 Zev had nothing to do with that slide.  That slide was brought into our store a few days ago to see about getting fixed.  A local “gunsmith” is the one who did it, definitely not ZEV.

More information from another reader

 that first slide with the JB Weld was NOT done by ZEV. The slide was a ZEV product, but the work was done by a local firearms shop with a long history of fucking things up. They’ve recently been raided by the ATF. Seems they’re as good with paper work as they are with the guns they work on, and continue to work on even after the ATF raid. Their name is Metal EFX, feel free to give them a google.

The responders above requested to have their name and company omitted from the article.

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In response to this post, another member posted up a customer’s Salient Arms International Glock slide. His customer tried to push the rear sight out with a sight pusher and the slide rail cracked as you can see below. They machined too much material away on this particular Glock slide that made it prone to breaking.  Salient slide rail broke

 

Be wary of so called experts and gun smiths. There is a reason you go to reputable and established gunsmiths who have lots of experience doing such modification.

 

Update 2: David S. sent this in to me.  He customized a Lowe Wolf frame for the customer’s Agency Arms slide.The slide has about 5000 rounds through it. Then it cracked and gouged the frame.

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Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • Schadavi

    Well, better a Glock than a nice gun.

    • KestrelBike

      Lol cheeky bastard 😛

    • DanGoodShot

      Ha!

    • SacinatoR

      Nicer firearm, than Glock you’re not gonna find… Glock all day Errday

    • BR549

      I have never been a Glock fan. I think they have enjoyed a popularity the result of rather vigorous salesmanship preying on too many people needing to have other people believe they are some CIA trained assassin; the equivalent of red corvette syndrome in one’s 60s. That said, what the gunsmith at Metal EFX did was just downright sacrilegious.

      • WRBuchanan

        Glocks are used by 65% of all Police Agencies world wide Not to mention more Military’s than all other guns combined.. Little more than good salesmanship there. The primary reason is because a Glock is the easiest pistol there is to learn how to use effectively. Simple as that. Lots of Copy Cats out there,,, Ever wonder why?

        • BR549

          Had you said 85-90%, I might have thought there was a salient point there. Still a novelty.

          As far as being the “easiest to learn how to use effectively”, if we are talking about the 104 I.Q. LEO candidates, why don’t we just put training wheels on them …… just to be sure.

          • Blaser270

            You called it pretty much dead on all the way around. Having been in the business and seen the IQ testing it was more along the 90-100 with the upper tier coming in between 100-120. Very few over 120… A few under 90 which was really scary.

            Have to laugh at the part of the trained professional not knowing what state of readiness his gun would be in. As stupid as that sounds it’s again pretty much dead on. It didn’t take but a nano-second to take the safety off on a Browning Hi Power, 45 acp or many other fine guns. Yet these winners claim that if you need a safety you shouldn’t have a gun.
            I’ve seen and heard of a good number of self inflicted shootings some of which were fatal and others were quite funny. One threw his Glock in the upper desk drawer to go to the toilet. The ‘safe trigger’ hit something and it went off. Then the rest of the detectives probably had to go to the toilet. One stuck his in his back pocket while off duty forgetting he had a screwdriver sticking up. Shot a chunk of his rump up… He didn’t think it was funny. Another had his fall out of the holster while going to the toilet and it shot the guy in the next stall. Ahh yes a safer gun has never been made……….. The one fatal one I referred to was a single mom who came home from work and put the gun in the Glock box for safe keeping. Trigger hit the post and it shot her in the stomach. She died several days later. Left a baby without a mom. Yeah they can keep them.

          • John Hall

            Explain how you know what the iq test scores are. And what agency(s) that you have seen do this iq testing.

          • Blaser270

            I’m retired now. I was an administrator in two different police departments in Texas. Spent 35 years in the business. The police psychological that our doctor used had an IQ test in it. As far as the IQ test, there was no pass or fail as far as the score went but it did give you an idea of what you had to work with. I won’t name agencies due to a lot of those guys still working there. I will say that it was in South Central Texas. After a number of years I could usually predict applicants with in 5 points either way. One guy went well over 130 and I had thought him to be maybe 110. We’re still good friends today. lol Good guy and a hell of a cop. 100% country boy.

            I have no idea how many departments use this particular testing battery but it was part of the one we used. Different psychologist use different test to determine if the applicant is recommended for the job or not recommended. Over the years only a very few weren’t recommended. Keep in mind that this is the last step to being hired. All the backgrounds are over and they’re on the way to having a job. If you did your job on the background chances are very good that they’ll pass the psych.

          • BR549

            I loved my old Hi-Power II 9mm. Decades ago, I had sold it because my libtard ex said she felt uncomfortable with it in the house with the kids. I could have poured concrete all around it and she STILL would have complained.

            The moral of the story is that once I sold the piece, she then started in with all her acting out that led to a divorce. So, when your wife starts to complain, that’s the time to buy another one; stand your ground and just be a responsible husband and gun owner.

            I have since adopted the philosophy that the gun collection comes first; THEN a woman has my attention.

          • Blaser270

            In a similar vein of ‘exes’ I had to sell a 2 1/2″ nickel python back in the 70s to make a house payment. The future ex thought she could sit on her rather ample rear and not work. I never forgot that and swore it would never happen again and it didn’t! Agree with your point that when they start their crap it’s just the beginning. Time to start planning your escape.

          • machgman

            Perhaps in your great wisdom you can explain to the rest of us dummies why S&W, Sig, Ruger, Taurus, and other gun makers decided to make and sell their Glock clones right after Glock’s patent expired? Explain to us why they want to make unsafe Glock clones and get sued up the kazoo when these guns go off just because they are being dropped or thrown around?

            Tell us as well how any gun can be idiot proof when you are throwing it around or dropping it without a holster or safety covering on the trigger to prevent stupid discharges?

            Based on your own words, evidently you agree with those brain-dead anti-gun Liberals’ narrative who say guns will get up on their own off the table and shoot someone, right? Based on your words, you are stating that in each of those anecdotes you cited, the Glock’s were totally at fault and not the folks who were deadly complacent about gun safety, right?

  • Tyler Frizzell

    I think salient and zev tech and agency are all fad manufacturing companies. Why the hell would you send $1000s of dollars on a $500 pistol? This doesn’t make sense to me. Granted I’m not a high speed range operator so please fill me in.

    • Nicholas C

      To each their own. However I do have to agree. The amount of money spent on these guns does not make them as good as a proper race gun like SV Infinity or an STI. SAI and Zev are not exactly race guns though. So different people want different things. I would rather spend the money on a race gun.

      • Tyler Frizzell

        I am not a competitor, I would like to shoot three gun maybe someday, and I am not trashing others choices, it is their money so I have no room to talk. From the perspective of a average person though, these weapons are a beauty statement. They work just fine in their oem configuration. Also, having done a quick google search, 2 of the 3 companies I mentioned are out of California. To me that’s a moral issue, why would they choose to run their company in a state with so many anti 2A people? I recently was gifted a headlamp from a big name group, they too are out of California and because they sell products that nearly no one there can have, I am reluctant to use their name.

      • Harry’s Holsters

        Although I tend to agree with you not exactly a fair argument. You’re going to spend at least double a custom glock($2500) for and SVI and the STI’s vary on wether or not they need work so that’ll being you to $3000-$3500 plus magazines at $80 a pop.

    • Renegade

      Why do people spend thousands of dollars on $500 rifles (AR15)? Or why do kids spend thousands on <$1000 project cars?

      Why? They do it because they want to. They do it to spite others, to please others. They do it because to them it is fun. It's satisfying. Because it's their money. Because they can. Because they dream.

      • C. Her

        We spend that kind of money on top of a cheaper firearm because we are:
        1.) Poor recent college grads that cannot afford a Daniel Defense, Black Rain, Christensen Arms, BCM, LaRue, Barrett, Jesse James or Noveske fully built AR’s so we must start off small.
        2.) Married therefore multiple purchases of $250 looks a lot better to the wife than 1 purchase of $2500+.
        3.) ADHD like me so I can never save for a premium pistol or rifle because of other firearms related promotions and deals.

        • Tyler Frizzell

          None of my firearms are more than $1000. They all work, have nothing terribly fancy on them, and are used heavily. They get banged up. They’re tools is all. And speaking on the Haley thing, he’s a human like the rest of us. We should all know better and I’m not saying what he did will go under the radar, but it is the past and he is a professional instructor from my eyes. I personally haven’t had an ND however if you use firearms long enough something happens.

          • Jwedel1231

            You consider your guns simply tools and not worthy of spending money to fancy them up. Some people consider spending money on them as worth it (I’m betting my life on it, what could possibly worth more?) if it gives them a little extra advantage. Plus, sometimes we like shiny things. No need to poo-poo someone else’s decision just because you don’t get it.

        • go4it

          Hey, just build your own AR (while you still can!) ….. Yeah, at the end of the project, you may have spent a little more than you would have for a “gun in a box” but you end up with the EXACT AR-15 you’ve dreamed of … and no parts taken off that you’ll never re-use – and likely can’t sell.

          • Tyler Frizzell

            I did that with my most recent AR. With the upgrades I was looking for, I spent $970.

          • C. Her

            That’s exactly what I did. Out of college I purchased your run of the mill Bushmasters, DPMS, Stag Arms AR’s. 10 years later I’ve built 3 AR’s, 1 being a budget AR and 2 premium AR’s. Also purchased a Barrett Rec7 and Daniel Defense DDM4V11 Pro. To this day my wife thinks my Barrett and DD cost more than my premium custom built AR’s because I was able to spread the total cost of my built AR’s over little purchases over several years. With my Barrett and DD all she saw was 2 purchases exceeding $1600 each not including optics.

      • KestrelBike

        Haha poetic.

        I do it to spite hillary.

      • DaveP.

        Hundred percent, buddy. Hundred percent.

    • CrankyFool

      Back in 1997, I bought a 1991 Miata from a coworker for $6000. In the ~19 years since, I’ve totaled the car and had it fixed to the tune of around $4500; I’ve replaced the engine for about $2000; and done a bunch of other work. My guess is I’ve put about $15,000 or so into it.

      Financially, it probably doesn’t make sense. I haven’t made this car a $20K car, I made it a very expensive $1000 car (now that it’s about 25 years old) :). But man, can I tell you? I love that car. It’s emotional. My wife claims that when I die she’ll put me in the car, light it on fire, and throw it off a cliff, viking-like.

      Not all financial expenditures are rational. That’s probably OK.

      • Jwedel1231

        So you’ve owned a car for almost 2 decades and spent $15,000 on it. What car, $15,000 brand new, would run for 19 years w/o any repairs? Your car is a financially great decision. It is always more financially sound to repair a car than to replace it. The idea of dealing with the headache is what people are avoiding.

    • PK

      There’s a fad rifle, doesn’t even have any wood, that will NEVER catch on with the hunting/target shooting crowd. Who would even want to own one, outside of crazy right-wing militias, anyway?

      I just don’t see the AR15 ever catching on.

  • BattleshipGrey

    These types of articles and threads are either going to scare people away from RDSs on pistols or drive them towards OEM milled slides.

    • Nicholas C

      Not necessarily. This is only one case. I don’t see a pandemic of bad slide cutting.

      • randomswede

        I think BattleshipGrey is making the point that humans tend to think “where there’s smoke there’s fire” and that this is the smoke not the logs left behind by fire.

      • PK

        Honestly I’m fairly surprised that you only found two cases of poor workmanship. Think how many Glocks are out there, and how many get modified.

        • Jwedel1231

          That’s a great point.

  • Simon

    Salient Arms has been known to be questionable for some now. Travis Haley and others wrote about it

    • Armed Antagonist

      Old “the AK negligently discharged” Haley?

      • Harry’s Holsters

        You don’t shoot as much as him and it doesn’t happen at least a couple times. He was just unfortunate that it was caught on camera by a company he eventually fell out with.

      • Jambo

        The guy was specifically demonstrating why you might not want to use a technique as it was prone to negligent discharges. Surprise, it actually happened. Next time get some context before you post.

        • cawpin

          Then why did he try to cover it up?

          • John

            He tried to cover it up bc he was too prideful to admit he ND’d. But his incident occurred when explaining why a technique was ND prone, a detail which people leave out

          • KestrelBike

            And I’m not about to discount anything he says because of it, either. C’mon people that’s just silly. (Agreeing with you)

          • JSmath

            What technique?

          • John

            The Russians advocate gripping the pistol grip tensely and using your index finger to press hard against the front of the trigger guard/mag release as a way of preventing NDs rather than putting the safety on.

            He was showing if you tense up like that, your index finger can slip and inadvertently pull the trigger, which happened to him in the video

          • John

            IMO it’s the same logic behind why some people get NDs with Serpa holsters

          • n0truscotsman

            He probably did because he knew the internet-and-operator worshipping peanut gallery would explode with controversy and appendage waving…which is what exactly happened when a certain site debuted the ‘news’.

            Many missed the point entirely: that such ‘common methods’ in circumventing the AK’s ergonomically mediocre safety selector are fundamentally wrong in every way and should be abandoned.

            But no, ignoring the fact that there are probably millions of AK owners in the US, and aborad, lets just focus on Haley’s methodology in regards to the video…/eye roll/

      • Joe Schmo

        Haha. That was hilarious. I like Travis Haley, but that whole thing was funny. He did demonstrate his point of what not to do. Really they biggest thing he should have done is demonstrated that during a shooting portion… And put ear pro on hahaha.

    • Tyler Frizzell

      Btdubs, I am not saying they are bad, I’ve never shot their stuff, but for the price you pay you could get any other firearm or accessories or training. Also, I only have one pistol I’d carry. I cannot afford to have it in the shop for months.

  • iksnilol

    So you actually *can* make a Glock worse?

    I am not even mad, I’m impressed.

    • Harry’s Holsters

      It’s hard to beat a glock when you shoot them. 100% of the new shooters I take out don’t like glock at all till they shoot them. Then 50% leave with it being their favorite.

      • iksnilol

        Eh, I just find them too expensive for how mediocre it is.

        • Harry’s Holsters

          To each his own but for $529.00 plus tax I’ll take it any day!

          • PK

            I always go to retailers that sell for $499.95 NIB, then wait for annual sales or similar, unless I find what I want used. The last one I picked up, another G26, was a hair under $400 out the door. I’d buy them for that sort of cost more regularly.

        • Harry’s Holsters

          If they didn’t have the aftermarket I probably wouldn’t buy them but I can make them into anything I want.

          • iksnilol

            Why bother buying one then? Just buy the pieces you want and assemble one. Saves you time, money and you don’t wind up with a bunch of parts you won’t use.

          • Harry’s Holsters

            Mostly is holster selection for me and it costs more to assemble a glock than to buy one. The mods I make are sights and connector. So relatively cheap. Plus I love the bore axis and ergos for the web of my hand. The ergos for the web of the hand are something glock does better than everyone else.

        • PK

          Amen. It’s the ordinary, every day, boring, but pretty reliable and accurate, pistol. It’s not flashy, and without their MAP policy I highly doubt they’d be $500+ new. But, if they were cheaper, a lot of people would think the quality plummeted or that they were junk pistols.

          It’s a tricky thing, pricing the product just right.

          • iksnilol

            I wouldn’t pay more than 300 dollars for one.

            If they want 500+ for it, they better make a good, metal trigger and sights.

          • PK

            Personally I’ve never had a problem with the trigger or sights breaking, so I don’t particularly mind the plastic parts.

          • iksnilol

            They just feel crappy. I dont care much about plastic in firearms but I like metal sights and triggers. Smoother and more durable.

          • PK

            To each his own, as is often said. I’ve never had an issue with durability, and I find plastic plenty smooth unless it’s been molded to be textured.

            That’s one of the big reasons I love collecting firearms, there are so many variations and models that there’s something for every taste! It’s fun to have so many choices.

          • John Hall

            Based on your years of testing or based on real military and police vigorous testing..

          • iksnilol

            Why is that relevant? Do I need to be a race car driver to say I don’t like particular cars?

          • DwnRange

            Well you missed your chance to actually pay less, for my first Glock, a G17 purchased in 1986 for a grand total of $279 at a gunshow in Mississippi has been nothing but reliable for 30 years now and somewhere between 9 to 10K rounds. It still has the weak slide spring release quirk of the originals, (meaning one never has to touch the slide release during a mag change, just slam it home and it reloads itself automatically) and other than the 3.5# trigger parts installed after the purchase and the 3rd set of night-sights recently installed has required no other maintenance.

          • iksnilol

            False. 279 USD in 1986 is the equivalent of 611 USD in 2016.

            So, you kinda paid the same. Sorry to break it to you. Economics 101 wouldn’t hurt.

          • DwnRange

            duuhhhh, then why did you not state $611 above because none of the 7 Glocks I currently own cost more than $600, including the tax and the G22 police trade in bought a few years back “was” only $300…….

            This a firearms blog btw not an economics blog and I wouldn’t take any amount of today’s money for it, as it has been worth every dollar I paid for it, which was still an excellent handgun price 30 years ago or today. Much like my early Clackamas produced 1911 Kimber bought back in the 80s that is worth more than double what I paid for it or the pre-70s Colt Python hanging in the safe door purchased for $300.

            No matter when purchased the price paid was the price paid, it came out of my wallet and in some cases their value in todays market makes buying low not bad economics but good in my book.

          • Lt_Scrounge

            I bought a Glock 23 police trade in last summer for under $400 delivered. With THREE magazines.

          • DaveP.

            Actually, Glock deliberately sets the price a little higher than they need to as a marketing tool. If the gun is too cheap, prospective buyers think it’s a cheap gun. Since they still sell as many of them as they can make- even at full price on the civilian market- I’d say they were on to something here.
            (Ever wonder how Glock could discount so deep to police departments and not go out of business? Now you know.)
            NB- it amuses the devil out of me that such a mediocre gun could’ve captured something like 1/3 of the whole American police market and been adopted by agencies or militaries in over 50 nations, on every continent except Antarctica* including organizations like the SEALS, MARSOC, and the FBI (not to mention massive civilian sales) . Gee, it’s like the whole wide world has different standards or something.

          • PK

            I like my Glocks. It’s why I buy them. But, objectively, they’re boring and everyday plain. There’s nothing wrong with that, and I’m certainly not saying they’re bad guns at all. I wouldn’t own any if I didn’t like them, after all!

            They’re just nothing special – they’re so reliable right from the factory, that they set the modern standard pistol trend. Double stack, polymer frame, etc.

          • DaveP.

            I own three and carry one daily, so yep. I probably should have put quotes around “mediocre” to avoid confusion.

          • PK

            17/19/26? Or do you have the .40S&W series, or do you have a mix? I’ve run into a whole lot of people who own the 17/19/26 if they own just three.

            Nothing funnier than carrying a 17 or 19 with a 26 as backup. It’s a Glock, for if I need a Glock with my Glock.

          • DaveP.

            (You’re gonna love this.)
            23 with a .357 SIG barrel, and a 27 with a 9mm barrel. I have a 21, but the smaller frames just fit my hand better so it’s pretty much a hangar queen.
            The 23 with the stock barrel was my main carry for many years, but I tried out a .357 sig conversion at the range and was just astonished at how much better it worked for me: easier to get good accuracy and faster recovery between shots.
            I know a lot of people like the 27 just the way it is but in that frame size 9mm makes the second, third, and subsequent shots go more where I want ’em.
            Shorter answer: Why be normal?

          • PK

            Well, no worry there, no one will accuse you of being boring or ordinary! That’s another reason I enjoy Glocks, there’s something for everyone.

          • richard kluesek

            PK, good choice. Though offered in other calibers, the Glock was designed originally to be a 9mm Parabellum military / law enforcement service pistol for NATO.

          • john huscio

            I’m standardizing around Glocks right now. The gen 4s pretty much eliminate my only real gripe about the pistols (weird grip angle). Parts/mags are just cheaper and easier to find than anything else (and I’ve owned most of the big brands at one point or another) which means on the off chance some really stupid legislation makes it through a few years from now, Glock stuff will still be pretty easy/cheap to get.

          • DaveP.

            One of the huge advantages of the Glock platform is that spares, mags, holsters, accessories, et cetera are so easy to find and work across so many different guns in the series.

          • richard kluesek

            john huscio, using Glocks today is like in past eras having had 1911s, or double action revolvers, or Colt Single Action Army ‘s. All of which are relevant still in that these will do what always they have. And the same for AR ‘s and Ak ‘s, and the Garands, Springfiels-Mausers-Enfields, Winchester lever acions, etc.

          • Riot

            Yeah you get this sort of thing in many businesses.
            A hairdresser told me about how when he opened it was terrible almost nobody came, after a few months he raised his prices, the amount of people coming soared.
            People had seen his prices and thought something must be wrong with his place.

          • KestrelBike

            Oh shi… Maybe this is what honor guard is trying to do with their M&P shield clones!

          • DB

            Used to own two Pawn and Gun shops. When stuff came out, it would get priced and displayed. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had an expensive, nice item for a good price sit forever, raised the price a lot, sell the next day! Didnt even try to haggle with me! Go figure!

          • Whitney Philbrick

            Case study in school, Kmart had some vacuum cleaners priced at $50? And couldn’t sell them. Then they noticed one store showed zero inventory and wanted more. When they asked that store what they’d done to sell them out they said nothing special just used the regular price of $100….

          • richard kluesek

            Customers assumed something was amiss with the lower priced gun. But at full price ir was in good working order.

          • FarmerB

            Requirements, that’s why. Mediocre is probably too strong. For an org that needs gun and isn’t especially gun focused, then a Glock probably meets 99% of their criteria. Does it mean it’s best in class, or even good when measured against a different set of requirements or criteria? Absolutely not.

          • Michael Merkley

            I have no question about the reliability of glocks. Every glock I have shot was flawless in operation. I dont particularly think they are the most accurate of pistols. However, thats not the point. At defense ranges they are plenty accurate. My only real complaint is that they dont fit my hands very well

          • Lt_Scrounge

            Try a CZ-75 or one of the clones. I love mine. For that matter, so does just about everyone who picks it up. It’s just heavy. I have an alloy frame Tristar C-100 that’s a clone of the CZ-75 compact that works great and was only $259 used at a pawn shop. 600+ rounds at Front Sight over a 4 days period with little to no cleaning.

          • richard kluesek

            DaveP., Thumbs Up. I have read in Barrett’s “Glock the Rise of America’s Gun” that as of that edition it costs but $65.00 in lanor and raw materials to fabricate a Glock. Marketing and distribution add more expense, as well as real estate, insurance, taxation, human resources, etc. And the use of plastics in sights, recoil spring guide rods, and slide striker plates. The only upgrades I could personally justify were to install metal replacements on these parts. “Customization” is best done by purchasing a Lone Wolf or other production gun. I would never cut into the slide. The frame could be carefully and very lightly touched up to eliminate glock middle finger blister by the root of the trigger guard, and maybe round off the trademark stupid ugly finger grooves and trigger guard hook.

          • Adam Fluegeman

            Because it’s not mediocre. Maybe compared to something costing much more, but I can’t think of very many guns in the same price range that’s quite as bulletproof as a Glock. I’m not a huge Glock fan, I only own one and the grip is indeed blocky and an odd angle. However, I shoot it well and it’s dead reliable. My edc is a shield but I’m not opposed to trying out a G43.

            The pricing speaks for itself. Glocks are regularly sold out at guns shops around me. A truly mediocre gun would not be as successful.

          • iksnilol

            The price range is what I am complaining about. Guns for 300-350 dollars outperform the Glock.

            That’s why I call it mediocre. It costs much whilst being outperformed by much cheaper pistols.

          • John Hall

            Outperform what criteria? Glocks are the most tested and durable pistol sold in that price range. These cheaper pistols have lower grade metal, lower grade coatings, and less tolerant build factors.

          • iksnilol

            Accuracy, comfort and printing.

            Reliability isn’t a big deal since I wouldn’t consider an unreliable firearm at all. So congrats I guess, it does what every other pistol I’ve looked at does.

          • Adam Fluegeman

            Which $300-350 guns?

          • iksnilol

            -Used guns
            -CZ clones
            -Bersa
            -Ruger
            -SCCY
            -Kahr

            Not fancy, and doesn’t have the name brand that the Glock has (with the exception of CZ I guess).

          • John Hall

            Durability and value.

        • Cal S.

          That’s why I bought my G22 as an LEO trade-in. Now I shoot .40S&W and 9mm out of the same gun for less than the cost of one new G22.

          • Big Daddy

            Me 2 and you can add .357 SIG with a simple barrel change and use the .40 mags.

          • Old Vet

            That may be my next purchase also.

          • John Cheek

            I did the same with my Sig 229. Came as a LEO 40cal. Picked up a 357sig barrel and love it. Far above a Glock.

          • machgman

            Wonder why Sig broke down and copied the Glock as did S&W, Ruger, Springfield, Taurus, and others have done?

            Wonder if the Sig 320 Glock clone retains using those itty-bitty fragile springs and if they simplified a lot of the normally over complicated Sig designs? (has any Sigs finally survived any of those 5,000 round torture tests YouTubers are fond of doing?)

            Wonder if Sig still feels the same way when the Special Forces and SEALs dropped the 1911 pistols for Sigs now that Glocks have replaced the Sigs?

          • Old Vet

            Just bought the 9mm conversion barrel for mine also. Waiting on mags now.

        • Zachary marrs

          You must have never shot an XD

        • THE_manBEar

          Spoken like a true armchair warrior – in the world of striker fired handguns the glock is ‘mediocre’ lol

          • iksnilol

            In the world of 350 dollar CZ75s then a 500 dollar pistol with worse trigger and sights is mediocre.

            I dont really see striker fired as an advantage. I prefer DA/SA simply because of the second strike capability in case of a dud.

          • THE_manBEar

            Ok that’s called personal preference. I totally agree that there are better triggers out there, but to call the glock trigger a middle-of-the-road contestant …. eh I just don’t see it. There are some truly awful handgun triggers otu there right now. Also, I never said striker fired was an advantage, but to dismiss the glock design as mediocre in the realm of current viable handgun offerings is either ignorance or a lack of objectivity.

          • iksnilol

            I am not dismissing the design, I am dismissing their execution of the design.

            Sure, it works, problem is plenty of other stuff does a better job for a lesser price.

          • Jayste

            In the “poly class” I love my cz p09 and don’t understand why more departments and units don’t use them. The cz p09 is true glock competition, but for ME the cz wins every time

          • Todd

            I own 2 Glocks a 23 with an Alpha wolf 9mm conversion barrel and a 26. I changed the sights and the recoil spring on the 23. I just blacked out the rear sight on the 26.
            You could get a Canik TP9sf for $350 which comes with night sights and a holster . Price is probably in line with what Glocks should cost.

          • kcshooter

            How is a Glock not mediocre? Doesn’t have a good trigger, ergonomics are bad, sights are average at best, and they are way behind the ball on adding the replaceable grips, which took 4 generations. They are also over $500 nkw, and I can’t figure out why. What do they have going for them? Their long-time claim to fame is reliability, and its hard to find an unreliable gun at this is point.
            Mediocre to anyone but the fanboys would be more accurate I suppose.

          • Lt_Scrounge

            I’m with you on that one. The Ergonomics on the CZ-75 are so good that when I first saw the photos of the Enhanced Ergonomic Sigs, I thought they were CZ’s by the grip shape and angle. I got rid of my P228 because the grip was too boxy for my hand. I simply couldn’t reach the decocker without changing my hand position too much to suit me.

        • WRBuchanan

          You obviously have not shot one.

          • iksnilol

            I have. It costs more than a CZ and performs worse than one. If they sold them NIB for 300 dollars I’d say they were good. But they aren’t.

            I sorta know how Nathaniel F. feels whenever he mentions the M14 now.

      • Sam

        So new shooters already have an opinion on Glocks? Do you have them shoot anything else? Like something with a hammer? That will have a much better trigger?

        • Jwedel1231

          translation: “50% leave liking the gun, 50% leave not being brainwashed.”

          Seriously, give me someone who hasn’t shot a Glock for years and my M&P will convert them.

          • Sam

            I worked at a gun range for a couple years, and people who had never even touched a gun wanted to shoot a Glock because they recognized the name. So I don’t buy that “100% of new shooters don’t like them until they shoot them!!!”

            Not to mention Glocks are probably among the least ergonomic of the major manufacturers that you’ll find on a shelf. Not to mention striker-fired pistols’ triggers are put to shame by most hammer-fired guns. Not to mention steel guns always have less recoil than polymer guns.

            But, whatever, 50% of new shooters have a new favorite gun because Glocks are the most perfectist gun ever in the history of ever gunning!!!

          • Out of the Blue

            Regarding the steel guns recoil less, I find that’s not always true. FN’s guns are my reference point for this.

          • john huscio

            Put a couple mags through an M&P a few years back……had an edge on gen 3 Glocks in the ergonomic department, but fails to have an edge over a gen 4 Glock in any category. Oh and the stock trigger is godawful.

          • Todd

            I shoot my Colt 1911 custom better than my G19.
            Waay better trigger (Wilson Combat Ultra light Match )
            Waaay better barrel (SS Colt National Match)
            BUT for defensive purposes or a “battle pistol ”
            I’m grabbing the Glock every time.

        • Harry’s Holsters

          Smith and Wesson M&P and Walther PPQ(great trigger). I’ve also had them shoot SW 627 Performance Center in SA and frankly they do better with the glock. Trigger control at the basic level is easy to teach. Fantastic triggers are over rated for 95% of shooters. Glock’s reset force makes it very very good to shoot at speed.

        • john huscio

          Had a p226 9mm, great gun, extremely well balanced and accurate enough to put 18-20 rounds all in one ragged hole over and over and over again all day long, but it was heavy and a pain to carry all day. Went back to the Glock 19 gen 4 and haven’t looked back.

          • Sam

            It’s a shame so many people only base opinions on pistols strictly on concealed carry criteria. P226 is a great gun, and what’s wrong with it just being a range gun or nightstand gun?

            I have two CZ SP-01s (one is a Tactical model) and I’m not gonna conceal carry those… but they outshoot the Glock 19 I have to carry for work any and every day at the range or in competition.

          • john huscio

            The VP9 has taken the p226’s place as nightstand gun. Does everything the Sig did, but it’s lighter. Only thing the Sig has over it is aftermarket mags/capacity.

          • Sam

            Fair enough. I can’t lie, I love heavy pistols. They just feel right in my hand. Like Boris the Blade said, “Heavy is good, heavy is reliable.”

      • Tom Currie

        I’ll pass on the Glock. If I’m going to carry a single action pistol (which IS what the Glock IS), then it will be a 1911. Otherwise I’ll carry as DA/SA like one of my Sigs.

        • Sam

          Striker Fired pistols are closer to Double Action if anything.

        • Harry’s Holsters

          Glock isn’t a true single action. The striker is only partially cocked. Sig P320 and Walther PPQ are single action.

      • Machinegunnertim

        I take new shooters out and let them shoot a G17 side by side with a couple of competitor’s full size guns and 100% agree that the glock is the most uncomfortable and has more recoil with the same ammo. It’s something I didn’t even notice until I shot different guns side by side but the difference is huge! Not to mention the glock is more expensive than most of the other offerings.
        So yea, it’s actually easy to beat.

        • Harry’s Holsters

          I don’t know what guns you’ve been shooting. Mine has less muzzle flip than my PPQ or M&P9 FS. Recoil overall is about the same. I can’t tell a difference. Not sure what offering you are talking about? Another thing to take into account is magazine cost. A $500 with $40 mags vs $530 gun with $25 mags becomes expensive real quick.

          • Machinegunnertim

            I have many rounds down range with a Caracal F, Canik TP9, a few with an SR9 and M&P 9 and all of them beat out the glock in recoil impulse hands down. Are you gripping the gun properly? Be sure to get as high a grip as possible. Next time you go out to shoot load up that M&P9 and the glock as well and shoot 5 rounds out of one then the other, back and forth without unloading or breaks or doing anything else.

          • Harry’s Holsters

            I’ve done that I have a very high tang grip. On a shot clock I get faster splits with my glock and a tighter pattern on the target. At the classes I’ve taken everyone has had M&Ps and Glocks. The results in the classes mirror mine. Glocks don’t feel great in the hand but the ergonomics make them shoot well. I get a ragged hole with my glock and a pattern with the M&P when shooting at speed. I can get roughly .22 splits and shooting for splits. I do a 1-5 drill in 6 seconds and can make consistent hits at 50 no problem and 100 when I put the concentration in. I’m far from the best but I do do better than most.

      • hANNABONE

        Just shoot a CZ. They’ll all love em, 100%

        • Harry’s Holsters

          I’m getting one if my dealer can ever get a P07 Urban in stock! I’ve been waiting since March.

      • Steven

        Felt the same way about a glock…hated them….had to carry one on my job…hated the lack of saftey, but it sure was dependable, and shot percectly. Would I buy one? No. Do I respect them as a duty gun? Yes.

    • Google “octoglock” some time when you feel like seeing your lunch again.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    This surprises me about ZEV as I’ve heard nothing but good things about them if you relegate their products to their intended purpose. I handled an Agency a while back and the milling and CNC related looked really nice. I wasn’t impressed with the stippling though. It didn’t look clean and while it was consistent the missed some of the borders and I frankly wasn’t impressed for what the grip work costs. The accelerated cuts and undercut trigger guard were nice.

    The trigger was also less than impressive. It was smooth and the flat trigger was amazing but you can do the same thing yourself for less money.

  • john huscio

    Better off adding night sights and keeping the gun bone stock otherwise.

  • Joel

    Why is the machined area partly coated and partly not coated? Is this an indication that, perhaps, one party machined and refinished the slide. Then another party cut and did not refinish the slide? Was it cut and refinished for one optic and then cut and not refinished for a different optic? Something is fishy here.

  • Mike

    This is why you stick with ATEI.

  • MiamiC70

    Hate Glocks. Been a 1911 guy whole life. I now own 3 Glocks 🙁

  • Aaron E

    Ruh roh Shaggy, romeone’s been eating our Scooby snacks!

  • J.T.

    I don’t think that butcher job was done by Zev. The part about the customer sending their own slide to Zev for machining doesn’t add up since that is a Zev slide to begin with. It looks like the customer bought one of the Zev slides that has an RMR mount, then tried to modify it to make a deltapoint fit using a drill and some files.

    • JSmath

      The story’s been updated with different details.

  • Big Daddy

    Glocks are the easiest guns to work on. There are so many videos on Youtube as well as articles and even the armorers course can be found. There isn’t much to them and it’s basic mechanical springs and levers, that’s it. That’s the brilliance of the gun, it’s simplicity and because of that it makes it reliable and easy to modify and work on.

    Those pictures if true are an abomination and the people should get their money back as well as it made right by the company. Two things there, either it’s bogus or the company had the new guy do the work and nobody QC’d it.

    If you want to get the most performance from your Glock go for it. I do a lot of little mods to them that do not cost a lot and it makes them better, for me that is.

    I am NO great shot but I do find red dots on a handgun slows down getting a target picture. You would need to practice a whole lot getting better than good old standard sights. I have gotten rid of the plastic ones on the Glocks I have, I carry most of my guns in some way at some time and the plastic ones move if nudged, the metal ones do not. My guess is they get hot in this Texas heat and soften enough to be moved with a slight pressure, it has happened to every Glock I have carried, one good bump and they move a lot. The first thing you should do with your Glock is get better sights, after that it’s up to the individual.

    Some people make the mistake of putting in competition parts, especially springs, do not do it. If anything go with a more powerful spring, a lower pound spring will create reliability issues. Never do that on a EDC or HD Glock.

    One issue I do have with a Glock is shooting slightly to the left. I did everything to stop but what I have found is that it’s not me, it’s the trigger. I will eventually be putting McNally triggers in most of my Glocks, problem solved, the lack of beveling helps get an even press on the trigger, it’s curved but the face is flat and allows for even consistent pressure. That safety tang or whatever they call it inside the trigger causes more pressure to be put on the left side of the trigger for right handers, hence shooting to the left. I wonder if anybody else has noticed this?

  • Reggie

    That is certainly a ZEV slide, but if you folks really think ZEV Tech did that crappy slide mod and then shipped it out like that, then you really need to rethink your lives.

  • Al

    I have never responded to one of these… But this is ridiculous! We cut our slides for one optic. We offer slides for all optic cuts, any sane person can see how butchered that ZEV slide was. Obviously whatever that person was trying to accomplish by trying to fit another optic to that slide it didn’t work out that well. The fact you even posted this as we at ZEV would send out a slide like that to a customer really disappoints me. You just lost all credibility in my book to even post garbage like that and put it on us as company.

    • reasonandlogic

      Al, If I were you I would demand an apology. This is total BS.
      Anyone with more then 2 brain cells to rub together can see that this is NOT the work of ZEV.
      -Doug
      ATEi

    • Otm Shooter

      The info was not qualified before being published. No respectable manufacturer would have returned the slide to the customer in that condition.

  • nova3930

    Just make a regular “Derp of the Week” post.

  • PK

    Yikes. What a lousy shop, sounds like. I’m glad to hear it wasn’t from Zev, I found that hard to believe.

  • Joel

    “His customer tried to push the rear sight out with a sight pusher and the slide rail cracked as you can see below. They machined too much material away on this particular Glock slide that made it prone to breaking.”

    Are we sure that the customer loosened the rear sight set screws before he put the slide in the sight pusher? Just asking.

  • Ben Wong

    there is only 2 things u need to do with a Glock
    1: Buy one
    2: Leave it Alone !

    • guest

      hear hear

    • uisconfruzed

      3: Shoot it!

  • jamezb

    I think I finally put my finger on why I don’t like Glocks.
    I was born in a different age. The long-long-ago; the before-time.
    When I was a child we played with toy guns. Constantly.
    These toy guns were not the orange and yellow day-glo plastic atrocities they sell today,
    They were fairly realistic -to dead-on realistic metal cap guns and bb guns.
    “Metal” was the key word here. There were plastic ones, yes, and they were crap.
    They broke quickly, and were a harbinger of coming disappointment.
    Every kid knew if you didn’t want to end up shot by the Jerry’s or Bad Bart,
    ….then you really needed to be packin’ a metal gun.
    Better yet, a matched pair in a Roy Rodgers tooled leather holster set.
    Old Prejudices die hard I suppose.
    The Glock may well be the bees knees,
    but somewhere in the back of my mind,
    It nonetheless registers as a cheap plastic toy,

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      These days, there are even plastic knives.

  • Charles Montgomery Rockson

    I used to hate Glock, but until SIG makes a double stack 10mm carry I’ll have to stay with the G29 when hiking.

  • Jay Lee

    Don’t trust a guy who can’t read a print or how to measure with micrometers! Was the “gun smith” who mutilated that slide wasted before milling out the slide? I hope the owner gets a new slide on their dime.

  • DanGoodShot

    Hey, gotta start somewhere.? Right.?

  • True which is something I demand—-

    • kcshooter

      Obviously not.

  • John

    My view on modifications of a firearm. If the modification was so great, the OEM would be selling it for their profit. Trained firearms engineers know the correct balance of the design. Removing material to make it look cool will have an effect on function. I trust the OEM before I trust a non-engineer to alter the design of a firearm. And yes, even the OEM can screw up, using the Caracal and the Remingtom R51 as the most recent examples of that. I will trust the OEM though before anyone else in regards to modifications of a firearm. My opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

    • MichaelZWilliamson

      Not always true. Just as with cars, the gun has to be marketed to the greatest cross-section of buyers.

      But any mods should be for a specific reason, and should have been tested and supported in private before being offered in public.

  • Smith357

    I thought a glock was perfect out of the box?? If it truly is perfection then there is never any reason to mess with it.

    • squareWave

      Because there are people who simply won’t leave well enough alone. You see the same thing with nice cars too, people who put gaudy, atrocious aftermarket crap on them.

  • Bob

    And this is why I don’t do crap to my Glocks except get Night sights. Install the 3.5lbs Glock factory trigger connector, and clean my gun.

  • Machinegunnertim

    Why not just buy a pistol that’s well designed from the get go? That would save one from a lot of modification costs and possible complications unless the person is just doing it for the fun of the project.

  • hANNABONE

    Glocks…you gotta love ’em

  • marcus johannes

    I believe there is an advantage to having a 22 , 23 and 27 then with a Storm Lake conversion barrel ( U.S.Made ) and extra mags with pierce grip extensions You also have a 17 , 19 and 26

  • SacinatoR

    What a shame; Especially to a Glock😔

  • MidwayBill

    Aside from a Glock discussion, I think the point of the article was to beware of self appointed “gunsmiths”. With the advent of modular type firearms (you can hang anything on them fairly easily) just about anybody can hang out the shingle saying “Gunsmith Services”. I moved out to the Pacific Northwest area 11 years ago and I had a very difficult time finding a good ‘smith. I have been at the shooting / firearms thing nearly all my life, and I can be pretty handy at doing a lot of my own work. There are some things that are just beyond my scope because I do not have the specialized tools or things like a lathe and mill. Be very careful of who you have work on your firearms. There are a lot of buggered up firearms out there because of incompetent “gunsmiths”. It’s not limited to Glocks.

  • Will

    “Expert”
    EX= the unknown.
    Spent is a drip under pressure.
    “EXPERT”= an unknown drip under pressure.
    ALWAYS, ALWAYS be leery of ANYONE who is labeled as an “Expert”; ESPECIALLY those who are self-described as an “Expert”.

  • TRUBOOST

    I was never a glock fan. i am not a bandwagon kind of guy. i like things for my own reasons, typically oddball stuff. i dont think u get what u pay for in the firearms world. i have $300 turkish pistols that fire better than $1000 american guns. for years i turned my nose up to the glocks. everyone has one, they are disposable….i dont want 1. yeeeeeah, then i bought a good ol G19. i wasted so much time messin around with other inferrior guns. the glock has quickly become my go to firearm. range…..carry….class…. competition. does it all.

  • Archie Montgomery

    What was the intended purpose of the modifications? My intuition does not immediately spring forth and discern the intention.

    I’m not a big Glock fan. I do find them appropriate for those who want a gun, but aren’t ‘shooters’ in the old school sense of the term. They normally function as described, but have no ‘soul’. (Some may disagree.) But I cannot comprehend why these modifications were effected.

    • Todd

      Well Archie the slide appears to have been milled as to accept an optic of some sort. Perhaps a reflex sight such as a Delta point or Fastfire.

      • Archie Montgomery

        Okay. I guess that would account for the rear of the slide being ‘cut’ in some fashion or another.

        It does occur to me I’ve seen ‘alternative’ sights mounted on handguns in less draconian fashion; but I am an iron sight sort.

        • Todd

          However I am perplexed as what additional modifications were warranted by the owner.
          As the Zev slide had already been constructed to receive an optic.

          • Archie Montgomery

            Not being familiar with Zev slides, I accept your comments. Which only makes the matter – from my perspective – more confusing.

    • BigFED

      They may not save your soul, but they sure as hell can save your ASS!!! I’m referring to the Glock, not the mods! The mods “fix” a non-existant problem!

  • itsmefool

    Wait, the crappy slide in the first few pics came from the same people who put Batman logos on grips? I’m shocked.

  • Glock Guy

    It’s a sin to mess up a Glock this bad. There is a special hell for gun smiths’ like these fools….

  • ACCWT

    Glocks are very good at what they were designed for and that is a combat/LE platform. I’m not a fan of modifying the slide on any polymer frame gun. They built that way for a reason. Want your Glock to be cool looking, get it Cerakoted. My carry choices are CZ’s SP01 & P01, Walther PPS M2 and my favorite go to is the Arsenal Firarms Srike One.

  • WRBuchanan

    My hot tip is that all the modifications you do to a Glock will eventually fail. Other than Sights, a Larger Mag Release Button and a Stock G35 Extended Slide Release, all other mods will fail or prematurely wear parts out. Polishing Trigger Parts is a complete waste of time as they will all wear in on their own in a few hundred rounds. Reduced Power Spring Kits fail and cause malfunctions, aftermarket barrels are a complete waste of time, even if you want to shoot Cast Boolits.
    If you really want to get the most out of your Glock spend your money on a Shooting School Like Front Sight or Gunsite or Thunder Ranch where you will learn how to shoot what you’ve got. After you’ve shot a thousand or so rounds thru the gun you will realize that it was just fine to begin with.

    • BigFED

      RE: Larger mag release – Actually, NOT a good idea! There are cases where a duty holster can inadvertently press enough on those extended mag release to cause the mag to drop out at the most embarrassing time. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

  • pismopal

    Glock is one of the most carried pistols in the world by professionals…because of marketing techniques?…yeah..right. If you don’t get it fine..but don’t be idiotic in the process.

  • John Hall

    Glock is a outstanding simple and effective pistol. The simple but solid design has been proven to be rock solid. It’s used by most police agencies in America. It’s starting to be used in the US military and is used all over the world by other military groups.
    Sure it’s not a HK USP or a FnH. But it never intended to be. Funny thing is that both HK and Fn like all other manufactures have a near exact copy of the glock.

  • BigFED

    On a Glock (and almost any other pistol), it is OFFICIALLY a “SLIDE STOP”, not a slide release! In fact most PROFESSIONAL SHOOTERS, if nor all, use some sort of grip (over the top, the pincher, whatever) to release the slide. That is done for a very good reason, POSITIVE FEEDING. Almost all slide stops hold the slide in a position where the slide is NOT FULLY back! Using the slide stop as a slide release is, in affect, short cycling the pistol!

    What is real important is the fact that all of the MAJOR NAME pistols (even non-Glocks) will run absolutely FINE without modification!!! The one thing that any modification does is INTRODUCE the potential of FAILURE! Not one manufacturer sells their product with the expectation that it will fail! In fact, most manufactures specifically VOID any warranty if their product has aftermarket parts or has been modified!

    Besides, all those mode DO NOT make the owner a better shooter/shot! When the shooters skill exceeds that ability of the gun, THEN and ONLY then all those widget, gizmos whistles and bells MAY make a difference! In my 50+ years in the gun game, there is one fact, “There are those that no matter how good the gun can’t shoot and there are those that no matter how bad the gun can shoot!” Just like Arnold Palmer, he can take YOUR clubs and still beat you and you can take his clubs and still not break par!

  • kcshooter

    Who the hell is talking about 1911’s here? What I’m saying is that in the striker fired polymer handgun market, Glocks are absolutely mediocre.
    Was that fanboy rant cut n paste?

    • M40

      – “In the striker fired polymer handgun market, Glocks are absolutely mediocre”

      Seriously? Glocks ARE the striker fired polymer handgun market… both figuratively, and literally.

      Figuratively speaking, Glock revolutionized the handgun market like nobody has since John Browning. Everything else in that market arose through blatant copying of the design. In modern handguns… pretty much everything out there is either a Browning knockoff, or a Glock knockoff.

      Literally speaking, Glock has the lion’s share of the market with nobody else coming close. They’ve held that position for decades. They did it by being the best of the bunch. Nobody else has even come close to putting their designs through the kinds of torture tests that Glocks have endured.

      When it absolutely, positively MUST go bang, every time you pull the trigger… there’s nothing else I trust more.

      • kcshooter

        Blah blah blah blah – more fanboy garbage.
        I gave you specific examples of Glock mediocrity and you reply back with that regurgitated commercial?
        That’s why Glock fanboys are particularly foolish. They can’t be objective about it.
        Face it, kids, there are better striker fired polymer guns on the market for less money.

        • M40

          Specific examples? You spouted your OPINIONS about ergonomics, trigger, sights, etc. We get it… you don’t like them. Sorry if Glocks don’t fit your tiny hands.

          Then you claimed that others are catching up in the reliability department… which is patently false. Tests have been done and published all over the place. If you want reliable… you go Glock. If you can cite a (side-by-side) test showing another gun that comes near a Glock in that department… please let us know.

          • kcshooter

            Again, foolishness spouted by a fanboy. There are half a dozen or more current offerings in striker fired polymer handguns at or under Glocks price range with absolutely equivalent reliability yet with better triggers, sights, grip ergonomics, and price. To say otherwise is pure fanboyism. Who are these unreliable competitors you speak of?
            They may have been the first but now they are awash in a sea of similar weapons that are much improved where Glock fell short. Again, mediocre.

          • M40

            All I asked was for you to cite a single test that showed another gun reaching similar heights of reliability. There isn’t one. So blather on all you like about your OPINIONS, but until someone comes up with an independent test showing equivalent or better reliability, you stand corrected.

          • kcshooter

            What are these tests you keep talking about? The ones where Glocks beat S&W, Sig, Springfield, FN, HK, etc?
            Where do you get off saying these are unreliable?
            Go look up ka-boom, new guy.
            Freakin fanboys, man. So rabid, so oblivious, so annoying.

          • kcshooter

            What are these tests you keep talking about? The ones where Glocks beat S&W, Sig, Springfield, FN, HK, etc? The ones that prove how unreliable other guns are in comparison? Real tests, conducted by experts, not youtube fanboys. Show me these other guns failing in comparison.
            Where do you get off saying these other guns are unreliable? Prove it! They aren’t. You certainly are no expert, as your opinions about them are based on nothing but being a Glock owner.
            Want a specific example? Easy. Go Google Ka-Boom, new guy.
            Your lack of objectivity here has made this a pointless conversation. The incapability to follow logical reasoning cannot be overcome. By the way, I own a Glock. Among other guns.
            Freakin fanboys, man. So rabid, so oblivious, so annoying.

          • M40

            I guess you’ve never seen the tests where tens of thousands of rounds were fired through Glocks… without cleaning them. Or hundreds of thousands of rounds over time with no major malfunctions. Maybe you missed the tests where they were dragged through mud and snow, run over by trucks, and tossed out of planes. Maybe you missed them being chipped out of blocks of ice, or having sand repeatedly poured into their workings… all while firing and functioning flawlessly.

            But the 2/3 of all police departments across the US (and countless thousands of departments across the globe) did NOT miss these tests. Likewise for a dozen different countries that issue them to their military forces. They all chose the most reliable pistol for their personnel. In fact it is the single most issued pistol in the world because of its inherent reliability.

            In your mind, I guess they were all just wrong in their choice of pistols. All their testing was probably flawed. I’m guessing in your mind, they probably should have contacted you for your ‘expert’ opinion.

            I can’t teach you to use Google, but let’s just say that it’s all out there and easy to look up… if you’re able and willing.

  • Jamie Clemons

    Wait I thought Glocks were indestructible and could do no wrong.

  • Jamie Clemons

    A little duck tape some hose clamps and a couple of C-clamps and it is good as new.

  • RickOAA .

    Glocks are utilitarian. I’ve got to question the sanity of those that manage to turn a $500 gun into $1000-$2000 racegun.

    But, yeah, that work is terrible on an epic scale.

  • MrApple

    That Glock abuse makes me sad.

  • rick0857

    So now instead of that glock looking like two blocks of wood nailed together by a ten year old kid playing cops and robbers, it’s one piece of wood nailed to another buggered up piece of wood by a ten year old playing cops & robbers.
    Next to the HiPoint C-9 the glock pistol is the ugliest gun ever made!