TFB Exclusive: The B&T Universal Service Weapon

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TFB has obtained an exclusive look at the new B&T Universal Service Weapon in 9mm that is going to accompany the Aimpoint Nano sight release later today. The USW is being billed as a duty weapon that will be able to stand in for a pistol caliber carbine when needed for police and military.

UPDATE: We have confirmed with a source within the company that the USW is produced with Sphinx 3000 parts obtained from the failing Swiss company. 

 

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In the sales sheet that we obtained B&T references the terror attacks that much of the world has become all too aware of stating “The current threat is not anything like Europe has faced before. The terrorist chooses the time, place and exact moment to strike”. B&T aims to give each officer the opportunity to deploy an accurate pistol caliber carbine in as little as 1.5 seconds from the included level 3 holster. B&T claims that the USW is capable of 1.6″ groups at a range of about 27 yards, or 40mm groups at 25 meters making the USW very capable in a trained officer’s hands. Head shots on an armored suspect at distances nearing 100 yards would be very possible, stopping the threat quickly.

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Looking over the photos and little information that we were able to get our hands on it appears that the USW shares some design elements with several well known pistols. The locking system is very similar to just about every common polymer pistol; the controls, take down marks, frame shape, full length internal slide rails and grips smack of CZ-75; also using a separate material for the steel slide, alloy frame and grip is very reminiscent of the Sphinx SDP (also a Swiss design). B&T is planning on a polymer framed version of the USW that will be striker fired available in 2017.

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B&T also says that the stock on the USW is built into the frame of the firearm and is non-removable, bad new for those of us who wouldn’t mind buying a handgun version of the USW. Sadly this firearm will not be offered in full auto at this time, only semi automatic. As I mentioned in the Aimpoint Nano post the optic was designed especially for the USW and will not be available separately and will be mounted to the USW with a non-reciprocating mount that is tied into the frame and appears to be closed off. I wonder what field stripping the USW looks like as a result, it must be a reasonably complicated process.

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The Universal Service Weapon will come standard with the B&T Advanced Pistol Light (branded as Inforce here in the States), the level 3 holster specifically designed for the USW, the new Aimpoint Nano, 3 magazines, a single point sling, and a plastic case. No word on price at this time or if they are planning on importing it to the US to be sold as a factory SBR (Yes please!).

 

 

 

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Patrick R

Patrick is a Senior Writer for The Firearm Blog and works in the shooting sports industry. He is an avid recreational shooter and a verified gun nerd. With a lifelong passion for shooting, he has a love for all types of firearms, especially handguns and the AR-15 platform. Patrick may be contacted at tfbpatrick@gmail.com.

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • DW

    Swiss PP2000

    • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

      If it had been full auto I would agree with you.

      • Mazryonh

        Doesn’t look like it should be overly difficult to convert the USW to select-fire. But then you’d need a foregrip for better burst control.

  • NoNamesOnTheNet

    I think I’d rather take a MP7.

    • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

      That is kind of missing the point. It isn’t a PDW, it is a duty pistol that also has a stock. I think B&T intended for it to be an every day duty weapon for police, not just for when a sub gun would be needed.

      • Austin

        And they didn’t include some kind of iron sights?

    • This USW is much smaller than the MP7:

      USW- 10″ folded, 2.55lbs,

      MP7- 16″ stock collapsed, 4.2lbs

  • TheSmellofNapalm

    Still waiting for the Troy/HTC PDW Catch to hit the market. Then officers can discretely hand-free carry a 5.56 shorty under their arm and be ready for anything.

  • Sig751

    When Sphinx went bankrupt Karl Brugger picked up all the frames slides and grips and created the USW. Good way of making a profit. His products are and will probably be top notch. Luckily I Live in Switzerland 🙂

    • hikerguy

      Utilizing a successful platform like the CZ and having all most of the parts already made for a new design was quite smart on his part.

    • Is it official that Sphinx is bankrupt, and will no longer be making the pistols in Switzerland?

  • marathag

    So that’s what a Borchardt for the 21st Century would be

    • hikerguy

      Good point. I was thinking Mauser C96 myself.

  • Rob

    This reminds me of a modern RAK 63.

  • John

    1. Snide comment about TFB’s editorial timing as breaking news unfolds.

    2. Obtuse and annoying explanation about the history and usefulness of submachine guns to police in general.

    3. Hopeful opinion on adoption of this firearm by several police agencies, combined with observations on logistics and practicality.

    4. Anime/movie/television reference.

    • Gabe Is Fat

      Whelp, that covers that. Let’s talk about the local sports team neow.

      • Anomanom

        Yay, local sports team!

    • PK

      You ruined our fun.

    • iksnilol
    • Max Power

      Today I read comments here about the B&T USW. All I can say is that I was present yesterday at the presentation by B&T and have chance this weapon to shoot.

      Now I am working in a official capacity as a firearms instructor in Europe. I have never posted a comment on this blog but now I think the time is right because I think that I have something to contribute because of some firsthand experience.

      I think that many people here who post on this blog are from the US as it is in English and has a definite American tone. This is good but many person in the US bring their experience with them but many have never been to the Europe or have if they have never worked in the Police here. Our situation in Europe regards to crime and terrorism is different than in the US and I feel these should be pointed out in a respectful manner.

      In total I think about 100 persons were there. These were top level Instructors from all over Europe. Only people who had an invitation were allows to attend. There were no civilians. B&T did a good at filtering people here. It was very well-organized. There were six different ranges where visitors could shoot anything that B&T produced. I shot everything that they had. I will always like to shoot other persons ammunition when I can. I especially liked the APC300 with the heavy bullet (14.3 gramms) We shot ballistic soap and through a bulletproof vest. it was impressive.

      The USW was the hit of the event. People were lining up to shoot it and in all cases range from intrigued to amazed. There were some constructive comments that the person there in charge seemed interested in hearing. He took notes… One thing I heard such as an index point on the receiver for the support hand. If a shooter keeps his hand high on the grip the ears of the slide will touch. All one has to do is keep the thumb of the support hand a little lower. I found the handling good but there is a slight different manipulation than with a standard pistol. That is normal as it is not a pistol. When opening the stock for a right handed shooter one must turn the weapon about 90 degrees and open the stock. This is very easy and quick to do. When I bring the gun up with one hand the red dot does move on the target. When using two hands the red dot moves less and finally with the stock extended it is totally stable. I tried it with a weak hand and the stock and was surprised how well I hit. The combination of stock and Aimpoint really does make a big difference. I had my service weapon (Glock) with me and the range officer let me try the same drill and I was less accurate and much slower. There was one man from a active unit that works outside his country quite a bit who was shooting 6 hits in 2.95 seconds with the stock open. Of course he is shooting probably hundreds of rounds a week. One visitor also wanted to shoot from 50 meter and they made a time for him to do this. He shot from a supported position and the result was very good.

      The USW is something that might be missed on many American shooters because it is designed for police and maybe military use. Americans are in front when it comes to concealed carry ideas and options, especially with small handguns. The USW is something different. It was sure not designed for the US civilian market at all and looking at it through that prism may not give a clear view. Gun of this type are tools for armed professionals. This is just like in any trade, a hammer and saw are the tools for a carpenter and a scissors and clippers are tools for a barber. When I read that a person would rather take a RONI for than a USW, it is obviously a civilian shooter, (which is OK) not someone who has to carry a gun all day for his work. There is a huge difference between a professional carrying a gun for his work, a civilian carrying for self-defense and a civilian sport shooter who keeps the gun at home and takes it out every couple of weeks for a session at the range.

      They showed a very nice retention holster which is a must these days for duty carry. There was also a hostler for plain clothes carry.

      • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

        Thank you for sharing your experience with the USW, I think you are spot on when it comes to how useful this could be for armed professionals.

  • Giolli Joker

    Brügger & Thomet no longer exists, it’s B&T and they’re quite picky about it.

    • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

      Thanks for the heads up, I was not aware. Made the correction.

  • Anonymoose

    Front cocking serrations only? No thx.

    • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

      There is no way to pull the slide to the rear when grasping the back because of the stationary Aimpoint mount.

      • Giolli Joker

        If there was access from behind, above the stock hinge, a small charging handle like the ones seen on some Open class IPSC pistols could work.
        Unfortunately the back seems closed as well and the holster covers that area.

    • Harry’s Holsters

      It’s surprisingly fast once you get used to it. On a clock it’s faster.

      • Xanderbach

        Just seems kinda… Pinchy.

        • Harry’s Holsters

          Yeah scared me I’d pinch my fingers in the barrel lockup but I don’t and it’s fast.

  • hikerguy

    I don’t think field stripping would be too difficult. The sight appears to be mounted to the frame and not the slide, so that won’t be a problem. It appears to have witness marks like a regular CZ, only further towards the front of the slide. Pull the slide back to line up the marks and pop out the slide stop as usual. Then move the slide forward to remove.

  • Austin

    Aside from being lighter what does this have over a MP5K or Scorpion in a chest rig and sling like what the secret service uses?

    • iksnilol

      More compact?

      More familiar controls?

      • Austin

        Its about 3″ shorter and 2lbs lighter than the two I mentioned w,hich isn’t necessarily a good thing if you are trying to make a precision shot. As for the controls that’s just a matter of getting used to the gun just like any other gun.

        • iksnilol

          Compared to the MP5K it is 10-15 cm shorter and 1 kg lighter.

          That’s a pretty big difference.

          And I would dare argue that the USW is a way better pistol than the MP5K (used without stock). That’s the point of this thing: A pistol primarily, that can become a carbine if needed at a moments notice.

          • Zachary marrs

            I wouldn’t go so far as to compare it to a carbine.

          • iksnilol

            it can make effective hits at 100-150 meters. For police purposes it’s basically a carbine.

          • Zachary marrs

            Most firearms are more than capable of scoring effective hits at that distance.

            That doesn’t make them all carbines.

            Furthermore, a carbine isn’t solely a carbine because it can score effective hits around 100 meters

          • iksnilol

            I’m not sober enough for this at the moment. You got what I meant.

            Workers vernacular and all.

          • Tassiebush

            You don’t drink so what do you mean by not sober enough? Are you using the Mead loophole? ;-p

          • Tassiebush

            But with even a very simple stock like this the average user is far more likely to be able to use that accuracy potential. It’s not a carbine but it’s used like one. It’s not really not a carbine either.

          • iksnilol

            Thank you. I owe you some alchoholic beverage if you are ever stuck in Southern Norway.

          • Tassiebush

            Why thank you 🙂
            I get the impression drinking in Norway is a whole extra level of awesome! I want what this guy has!
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EF1V8HFfpTE

          • iksnilol

            Its pretty depressing to be honest. You just drink til you black out or have to get pumped. That’s what is most common. :/

            Vikingfjord is a vodka IIRC.

          • FarmerB

            Certainly my experience in spending a couple of months there.

          • iksnilol

            I don’t drink, but if I drank I presume I’d do it for the enjoyment.

            I do like Pina Coladas though, still, moderation and all.

          • Tassiebush

            I reckon that gentleman in the video is hitting the outer edge of reasonable consumption. That description sounds bleak.

          • FarmerB

            It’s not meant to compare to a carbine. It’s a pistol that should make the average cop more effective if it comes to a gun fight and even the slightest/smallest officer can have on them at all times without having to always be in a car.

          • Zachary marrs

            Why are you telling me this?

          • FarmerB

            Advancing the discussion – I came upon this a bit late and saw that quite a few people immediately wanted to compare this to a carbine – which I think misses the point. One factor is the different approaches to policing in the US v Europe (which I didn’t see mentioned). Except for a few high value targets, I don’t see normal European beat police being armed with carbines or SMG’s. Now they are increasing being guarded by military with assault rifles anyway. 99% of European police will never draw more than a pencil in their entire career – and lugging an SMG around for that eventuality is just pointless and overkill (let alone the politics). If this device can truly be duty carried all day by 90+% of officers without it being a burden/pain, I think they have a nice niche. Although this thing is ugly, it’s nowhere near as ugly as a TP9.

    • retfed

      It’s meant to be carried on the hip, like a standard pistol. An officer carrying an MP5K or a Scorpion in a chest rig can’t wear it all the time (like when he’s driving a car, for instance). And it’s been proven many times, including in the famous FBI Miami shootout, that if it’s not on your person when the noise starts, you don’t really have it. It might as we be on the moon.
      I don’t know if this is practical or if it will sell, but I do like the concept. Kinda tough for plainclothes/CCW, though.

      • retfed

        I’ll reply to my own reply. I was thinking of a military-style horizontal chest rig, and I think you were referencing a shoulder-type under-the-coat rig like the one we saw the USSS guy pull the Uzi from when President Reagan was shot.
        I still think this is more practical for the non-SWAT street cop, if it works as advertised. The gun is a lot lighter, the draw is more natural, and it’s less likely to interfere with seat belts, or to bang against the stack of electronics that are mounted on the consoles in most patrol cars these days.

        • hikerguy

          You hit the nail on the head. The idea of it was to (with the stock) to increase the range and make it more stable to go beyond the 50 yard effective range of most pistols. Not carbine distances like an M4, but something to give the street cop a little more range in a package not much larger than a regular pistol.

          • retfed

            Also, cops do more walking and running that shooting. It’s a lot easier and more comfortable to run with a 2.5-pound pistol (even this one) anchored in a good holster on your hip than it is to run with a 4-pound shortened rifle or shotgun, or an SMG banging against your ribs.

          • FarmerB

            Exactly.

      • DataMatters

        Or if it is jammed underneath the brake pedal because you took it out of its holster and laid it on the seat right before slamming on the car’s brakes.

  • mechamaster

    If they added ‘select-fire’ capability like the cz75 select-fire version, and PDW ammunition conversion kit like the 6,5x25mm CBJ, or .22 TCM 9R, It would be great !

    • noob

      .40 s&w would make it attractive to police departments that have invested in that platform. I think the most innovative thing is the holster that allows for a stock and light. Many have tried before but this one looks like it could actually work.

    • Jayste

      .22 tcm is great pdw ammo love the round

  • ClintTorres

    “Head shots on an armored suspect at distances nearing 100 yards would be very possible, stopping the threat quickly.”*

    *On quadriplegic pachyderm suspects.

  • This thing sure is answering a lot of questions nobody was asking.

    Seems to me a bog-standard Glock 17 with an off-the-shelf light, red dot, and Glock stock could do exactly the same job for a lot less money and retraining effort, and all it would need new is a holster designed to snap the stock into place on the outside.

    • DW

      But can a Glock be that accurate? A sphinx could, and I suspect is the magic in this system.

    • PK

      Most of the Glock stocks are incredibly flexible and worse than useless, for what it’s worth. The stock pictured here is at least attached higher up, and seems more well thought out.

      • Sure, the FAB Defense Glock stock is as flimsy as a politician’s excuses, but Endo Tactical makes an adapter– that attaches at the, uh, hole in the butt, and also braces against the top of the frame– which allows any standard AR stock to be mounted. I’m thinking of something like that, where the adapter is just left on all the time since it doesn’t interfere with normal operation, and either have a suitable carbine stock snapped onto the outside of the holster or just design a new stock to be the holster, like the old C96 stocks.

        http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/08/10/endo-tactical-glock-ar-15-stock-adapter/

        • PK

          Agreed, I own a few of the ENDO adapters and have SBR Glocks. It’s the only stock worth a damn, that and the type it’s based on – the IGB, which doesn’t accept AR stocks of course.

      • Fox Hunter

        I’ve used the Fab defense stock, sure it flexes but it works, my groups tightened up, and my shots were more consistent, it was a lot easier to shoot my glock and get all my shots on target with the stock on, you just have to ignore the flexing and focus on your shooting.

    • Badwolf

      This. Was thinking exact same thing, endo stock and all.

  • AD

    Interesting. I wonder how comfortable it would be if used as a regular handgun? Obviously there isn’t that much reason to use it that way, but I’m thinking if an officer has to draw his weapon in a hurry it’s probably faster to draw and present as a handgun than to open the stock and shoulder the weapon.

    • Tom01

      I wondered the same. Betting it would be heavy like a Mk. 23 but less recoil. Not ideal but certainly manageable.

      • Mr Mxyzptlk

        The stock would weigh practically nothing, so the only real weight increase over a normal duty size pistol is the bracket for the sock and the RDS with its mount. I imagine that these parts wouldn’t be too heavy, and they are also behind the grip so it would bring the centre of gravity closer to your hand and which would actually make it feel more balanced.

        • Austin

          But is the stock mount going to recoil into your wrist while shooting single handed

  • stfram1

    MSRP with all that stuff included will probably be $3k. The poly version will be a few hundred less. I’d be shocked if they manage a $2k MSRP. Euro agencies won’t buy this because Europeans are used to seeing subguns in police hands, so MP5s already in the armory will continue to be used. The only market would be in the US or maybe Middle East countries like UAE or Jordan.

    It’ll be awesome if they sell this to the unwashed masses in the US, but it’ll cost a fortune.

    • DW

      Which is not that bad considering other handguns with this accuracy is priced in the same ballpark without that aimpoint.

      • stfram1

        If I have $3k to spend, it’s being spent on a MP5/MP5K, SBR registration, stock and 922r parts. And at current pricing, that still leaves nearly 1k left over for ammo, mags, etc.

        $2k, this gun will sell on the US market. $3k, they’re competing with custom 1911s and Sig P210s. It won’t sell.

        • Austin

          Not to mention revolvers for those that plan on making 100m headshots.

          • iksnilol

            Uh, isn’t a semi auto with 17 and 30 rd mags better if it can deliver the same accuracy?

          • Austin

            I don’t think it is as accurate. I wouldn’t be surprised if a N-frame was 2 MOA or under with a load it likes but that’s assuming that the shooter does their job.

        • FarmerB

          You guys missed the point. It’s not about match accuracy. It’s about making a normal beat copper more effective against an active shooter without having them need to lug around an SMG.

  • Michael Rice

    It just looks…Wrong. And wouldn’t that…Thing (I’m assuming its a hinged cover on the holster to protect the MRDS) catch or snag on the gun when you’re drawing it?

    • Jwedel1231

      The hinge on the red dot cover leads me to assume (possibly wrongly) that the cover is doubling as a retention device. If not, then it needs to go.

      • FarmerB

        I thought that as well.

    • Mr Mxyzptlk

      It is both a retention device and a cover for the RDS. I would bet that it is spring loaded and flips out of the way when you push the release button on the body side of the holster with your thumb (this can be seen in the last image). I’m curious if this holster has any form of active automatic retention as it doesn’t look like it, and it also looks like the holster might generally have a pretty loose fit to the gun. I may be wrong though, it is kind of hard to tell without better images.

  • Petto

    Well i don’t see the purpose of this “PDW” or Carbine
    since B&T been doing MP9/TP9 that are better suited in that role and i don’t think you will be sniping some terrorist with that USW thing and if it’s a budget PDW then Police can get MP5k

    I think the sight is more interesting than the gun itself

    • Jwedel1231

      This gun looks like it was meant to be worn on the hip with stock folded by a normal beat cop at all times. I don’t know if non-SWAT cops in Europe carry rifles in their vehicles, so this could fill a gap that isn’t as big in the States.

      • Mr Mxyzptlk

        Most European police generally only carry sidearms in normal situations. An exception would be countries like the UK where police are not routinely armed and when they are they pretty much always have a carbine and pistol so something like the USW would be redundant. Having said that, depending on the force you do have situations in the UK where some armed officers only have a pistol (some forces use 3 man teams in armed response vehicles where only the two passengers carry a carbine) so even there a weapon like this could have some utility.

        • Jwedel1231

          I meant that the USW would be the sidearm, not in addition to. Having a stock for your pistol all the time makes a lot of sense to me, though I cannot do so (darn NFA).

          • FarmerB

            Agreed. This only makes sense for replacement of sidearm. Gives the “first on the scene” beat cop somewhat of a chance against terrorists with AK’s. Unnecessary for special units who will turn up with carbines and choppers and armor. My only doubts are whether the first cop on scene has the balls to engage dudes with full auto rifles. Probably be a violation of OH&S (occupational safety rules).

          • Tassiebush

            It’s always hard to know how people under that threat will approach it but I’d say assertiveness is pretty abundant among police I know. They certainly spend their time approaching people who don’t like them and even as cadets they knock the snot out of each other in training. Might vary depending on the place of course but I reckon the courage should be there.

          • FarmerB

            Maybe – I’m reminded of that ballsy French policeman approaching the terrorist in the Bacalan theatre with only a shotgun whilst the rest stayed under cover. Until the burst of fire came in his direction and he (understandably) beat a retreat.

          • Tassiebush

            I missed that story in that part of that terrible incident. That was courageous of him.
            I guess the idea that once the terrorists lose their nerve they’ll detonate a suicide belt adds to it as well. Actually that’s another plus for this system. If you improve the sidearm so that they can engage them at longer range they might not be killed by the bomb vest.

          • FarmerB

            There was another guy in Istanbul this week – shot the terrorist, weapon flying across floor – approaches him, and the police spots the vest and manages to beat somewhat of a retreat before the terrorist blows himself up. The suicide bomber is a very difficult thing to battle, they approach your position, then engage the security. If they look like being blocked or pinned down, they take out the position with a vest, then burst through the breach and repeat at the next ring. Not sure how to defeat these tactics if they even get them right (sounds like they get a fair job in Istanbul).

          • Tassiebush

            He did well by the sound of it getting away before the ahole detonated himself. So true on the use of suicide tactics. Their truck bombs in Iraq and Syria are the same on a bigger scale. Get as close as they can to strong points or barriers and detonate then the next one drives past and continues the process. All they need is a bunch grandiose delusional maggots to keep the process going. As far as countering it goes I think it’s pretty hard once they set off on the attack. Head shots and going for the kill from the get go are necessary but weeding them out before seems the best option.
            We’ve certainly had a lot of would be attacks stopped here. Police in New South Wales and Victoria have been very busy.

          • Jwedel1231

            Good points. I hope the first responder would try to engage, but I really can’t blame them if they don’t engage overpowering forces.

      • DataMatters

        I watch the cops at Mall of America–they are loaded for bear with extra mags for their Glocks and I bet they have rifles stashed close by. I doubt some little stock is going to make that much of a difference as opposed to, you know, *having a gun* with many French cops failed at.

        • iksnilol

          Well, having a stock makes the gun much more usable at 100-150 meters.

        • Jwedel1231

          Can’t argue with that, rule number one is “have a gun.” Everything else is just details compared to that.

  • MrEllis

    Wait, what?

  • Anonymous

    I’d love the chance to field test one on patrol…instant carbine capability sounds awesome on paper, no pun intended. Wonder how it will roll in real life?

  • Joe

    Neat, but I still want a SCAMP for this role.

  • vwVwwVwv

    i would rather cut down a FAB carabin conversion cit and put the gun i like in to it.

    • Austin

      Or a 93R

      • vwVwwVwv

        Baretta,R93, i’m a big fan of, love the thing, its a kind of first love…

        • DeathFromTheShadows

          if you are such a big fan, at least learn to spell it’s name: BERETTA

        • Austin

          If you SBR it and chip the stock to a pistol grip sure

    • iksnilol

      Why? More bulk and weight without any advantages.

      • vwVwwVwv

        i know, the conversion cit is rubbish and it has no advantage….
        have you seen the barrel of a HK MP5k ?
        its about 4 inch, would you
        prefer a bulky heavy MP5k to a glock 17?
        yes, than ok, i got you and its up to you, you are smat enough.
        no, than you can turn your glock 17 or 18 in a PDW like MP5k
        or Mini Uzi, isnt it good, than Ok, i do not know what YOU
        do but for me it would be an option haveing rather a
        shotgun or a M4 in my duty care.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    Looks like a cool package with the holster they’ve designed. This might actually make sense for street cops.

  • DIR911911 .

    100 yard headshots with a pistol? someone’s a bit optimistic

    • Kelly Jackson

      I dunno about headshots, but Austin Police Sgt. Adam Johnson shot the Austin gunman Larry McQuilliams in the chest at 104 yards with one hand while holding on to his horse with his other hand.

      But that’s Texas, and things are just bigger down there.

      • Austin

        The officer in Garland that ended the attempted attack got two kills with two shots.

      • jcitizen

        We used to train in police science to ride Harley Police Specials, and load a revolver with both hands whilst steering with our hips – it actually worked, but we trashed a lot of windshields practicing!! I got where I could go around corners with my arms folded. I got a lot of strange looks while driving my personal Harley FLH-S that way!! (had to set my throttle screw to keep the gas going)

  • santi

    Holy Ugly!….I want it….give me ugly.

  • Good idea! An unobtrusive, rigid stock will make consistent hits with a pistol much easier. Just consider it a streamlined RONI-esque platform. It’s also interesting that B&T and Gabe Suarez are in agreement over what constitutes the best counter-terror sidearm. Maybe if some European countries had better border/citizenship controls there’d be less of a need for PDWs?

    • Fox Hunter

      That’s why the British Brexited. Now if they only allowed civilian gun ownership like the US.

      • Brexit was and is a baby step compared to what needs to be done. However, non-EU/third world immigration has been infinitely worse than Polish plumbers! Maybe now the political will exists to fix that?

        Farage is pushing for better gun laws which is heartening. UK self-defense law is abysmal. Punishing citizens for resisting crime must stop. Fixing that should be the first step. Anything seems possible now!

  • A bearded being from beyond ti

    Why do i get the feeling that this will never see any success…

  • Mr Mxyzptlk

    Being a Brit I am unfamiliar with the US law on the subject, but could a company make a similar replacement frame for a Glock? By that a mean a frame with an extension off of the back with a bridge with a pit of pic rail on the top and a folding stock at the back. As the frame this would be the serialised part wouldn’t it, but would it be legal to own it as long as you didn’t assemble it with a slide until you got back your tax stamp? Moreover, would it be legal to sell it with the stock but make it removable so that it could be assembled as just a pistol?

    • Austin

      They could also dance around the stamp by having some manner of slim folding arm brace

  • valorius

    I’m not sure if it’s dumb or cool. I thought dumb, then i saw the whole thing folded up in the holster…and now im leaning toward cool.

  • Tassiebush

    It makes sense. Potentially issue every officer with this and they are getting carbine like effectiveness out of something in a handgun size. In a terror attack the first people on site are far more enabled to respond aggressively and effectively. Also very helpful for regular police use. I think we’ll see this approach being used more often with service handguns.

    • FarmerB

      It need a paradigm shift however. They’ll have to move beyond their “perimeter control, evacuate, deescalate, contain, negotiate” strategy (or whatever hip phrase they use today) to “active engagement”. The training to consider a more aggressive reaction will be spent on much more important areas like LGBT sensitivity training.

      • Tassiebush

        Totally they need to go in to kill the ba$tards as early as feasible. You’re right the deescalate and containment approach just doesn’t work when they are hell bent on dying.

        • jcitizen

          Yeah, LEOs all over the world are still stuck in the past when the SWAT concept was up against criminals who weren’t bat chit crazy like these extremists. They need a new training overhaul.

    • jcitizen

      When I suggested something like this as an answer to the US Army’s search for a new pistol. I got shouted down because,”subguns are obsolete”!!! I never liked any subgun(machine-pistol) over 3.5 pounds unloaded, so I can see that, but I had good luck training with SM11-9s with suppressors. They were light and easy to shoot. I found reigning in the high fire rate easy to control. But I’d take a good shoulder stocked semi-auto pistol any day, if the weight is under control.

      • Tassiebush

        Yeah it just seems to be an obvious step forward. Handgun weight and a tad more bulk puts it within already accepted parameters.

      • Tassiebush

        I sorely wish handgun hunting was legal here. I’d love something like that for the bush.

  • DataMatters

    Universal Service Fee

    It looks like one of the guns from the new Star Wars film.

  • Sid Collins

    A tool that can do many things can’t do one thing well. I appreciate what the designers are attempting. However, it appears to be an answer looking for a question.

    • Austin

      Like soo many other “tactical” ideas…

  • Mark Mcneil

    Isn’t this what the man from U.N.C.L.E. carried?

  • Sasquatch

    I like the concept. I just think that a selector switch is need at least to three round burst.

  • Southpaw89

    I want one.

  • Austin

    I await Beretta’s A3esque 93R adaption

  • Joby

    Now if you excuse me, I’m off to get a tax stamp and a CZ clone to Bubba…

  • Fox Hunter

    I still prefer a Sig MPX-PSB with one point sling.

  • El Duderino

    Colt Scamp be all like, “Hey that was me back when acid rock was cool.”

  • Man from Uncle that used a lot of P-38 base guns.

  • Austin

    Let’s go further back

  • AHill

    Looks like the Strike One “Long range conversion kit” that was supposed to come to Canada a while back. (stupid Russia, why did you have to go invade Ukraine?)

  • Austin

    That idea was still going strong in WWII

    • vwVwwVwv

      wait it may be a very good gun they built which loks like a sphinx
      what is may be a hi performance CZ. we have had
      a visit from an expert, if he is telling
      the truthe, what i am
      convinced he is impressed so it may be a step forward in any kind.
      if we behave he may give more interesting inputs on other things,
      so PSSSSSSSSSSssst we can only gain from such people. 🙂

      • Austin

        I have no doubt that it is well mad, it’s B&T were talking about but none of the concepts are completely new. I question the need for this middle ground between a pistol and a proper SMG/full size PDW.

        • vwVwwVwv

          from american vive its right, in germay you cant have a long gun
          as a bodyguard, here in europe you have other preferences.
          politicans want invisible arms in hands of the guys
          guarding them.

          i dont know what market BT wants to enter but if they invite 100
          man for the introduktion the market cant be realy large,
          otherway you wuld see it in the shotshow 2017
          as introduction. exclusivity sells and
          swiss sell watches for 100.000$ which are not beter than the one in your cellphone…. i am curious. i hope allways for something
          new, who knows…?!? 😉

          • Austin

            Fair enough, I just have a hard time wrapping my head around what possible role it fills. A good full sized polymer would allow for at least one extra mag for the same weight, close to the same practical range(~50m considering its 6MOA) and a fraction of the cost even if you get HK.

          • vwVwwVwv

            we all allways want a jack of all trades device.
            a swiss army knife of guns, now with
            the knife they made a great work.
            who knows, we will see.

          • FarmerB

            Every year in about April-June, B&T have a Police and Military (only) day. Sounds like they used this day to get feedback in a new concept.

          • vwVwwVwv

            i am no police and long time no military no more. 🙁

  • Beautiful place!

    • vwVwwVwv

      most swiss have a military cervice rifle at home, with amunition
      and you have no trouble at all. great craftsman
      they are to and once, now there is
      peace, they where firce
      warriors.
      thre is good reason why the pope has a swissguard.
      in russian shweizar( a swissman) is literaly a word
      for Guard or Bodyguard. on can’t imagine if seeing how
      polite, nice and peaceful people they are today.

      they have great quisine, guns…. and chocolats

      most people know it in winter time but in summer its great there to.

  • Patrick R. – Staff Writer

    Now I want to go visit!

  • Kivaari

    That is artwork.

  • lookinoutforu

    Nice! This has been well thought out.

    • maodeedee

      Well thought out? Maybe. But there’s just one thing that I don’t understand, How is this weapons system going to interface with the new US Service pistol AKA The Modular Handgun System (MHS) which is supposed to replace the M9 Beretta? Does this mean that the Sphinx 3000 is going to win the contract to be the new service pistol? Or is it going to be a whole separate weapons system with no interchangeability? If the new service pistol were truly “Modular” it would also function in the mode of the B&T Universal Service Weapon but maybe the US military doesn’t’ think that way, That’s why the term, “military intelligence” is such an oxymoron.

      The Modular Handgun System (MHS) is a United States Army and United States Air Force competition for a new handgun. The Modular Handgun System is anticipated to be the next U.S. military standard side arm replacing the Beretta M9 pistol. The U.S. Marine Corps is also participating in the program to have input on source selection, but likely will not order the resulting weapon until their current pistols’ life-cycles end in the mid-2020s.

  • michel Baikrich

    Interessante version, mais je pense que le multi usages style Canif Suisse, ne s’applique pas dans ce cas

    Simple commentaire sans consequence

    Salut

    Michel

  • jcitizen

    2.55 lbs unloaded!! Hmm? Interesting! Don’t know if it would beat a Micro Uzi with a stock or not. I like the UZI, but I haven’t fired one with a stock yet. MP5 HKs are just too heavy for what they are used for. I always wanted to build an AR 9mm pistol without the tube stock so I could put a good sliding or folding stock on it. (Legal registration of course) Weight is 1st priority, firm stock is 2nd, and of course it has to be capable of hitting things accurately.

    I’ve always wondered if the broomhandle mauser with stock was worth carrying in combat, even though Churchill seemed to like his. Obsolete of course, but that would at least show whether the concept was ever sound at all. It was so common, you’d think there would be more war stories on it.

  • Mazryonh

    It’s unlikely that this system will have anything to do with the US MHS program. But if the MHS actually goes through, then the US Armed Forces could either request the UWS or request a variant that uses the MHS handgun’s magazines.

  • Mazryonh

    Everything old is new again!

    It’s also not the first time a pistol-caliber weapon has had the word “Universal” added to its name to sound more capable. Heckler and Koch has done it a few times already, such as for their USP and UCP handguns along with the UMP SMG.